One for TSE: Amber Rudd-Michael Gove dream ticket. Michael Gove enobles Osborne.
Osborne comes back as the new Lord Mandelson??
No, it will be Boris no contest. Woman on BBC London News says she did not vote for May but would have voted for Boris. Boris could get a majority of 50 I think against Corbyn. Could even be Davis leads during negotiations then Boris takes over post Brexit before election
I don't want Boris. Put me down as anyone but Boris.
He's an incompetent buffoon. Not up to the job of governing as PM.
What you really want is someone who's got the work ethic and eye-for-detail of May behind the scenes, but the campaigning verve, passion and oratory of Boris in public.
Might I suggest this is why Ruth does well? She's a clever lady, smart tactician, and also a very effective campaigner who uses comedy to good effect.
She is basically Boris with less buffoonery.
Every Tory I've spoken to today from every wing of the party has mentioned her name, unprompted.
Every. Single. One.
To state the bleedin' obvious, 12 gains. TWELVE.
She formed a tank-riding, dog-walking Scottish firewall against PM Corbyn. Of course they're singing her praises.
Today. But she apparently is happy to keep free movement of people in return for single market access. That is toxic for many Tories south of the border.
It is not the same Party. The idea it is is a delusion,
Which is why her coming south wouldn't work. She should be aiming to be First Minister.
The Tories have 318 MPs - is there not a dynamic, persuasive, untainted prospect for the leadership among them?
Yeah, she should be focussing on the 2021 elections to get the SNP out of power.
Sorry I don't think there will ever be a tory Scottish FM. She could much reduce the SNP seats tho, such that SNP & Greens don't get near a majority.
One for TSE: Amber Rudd-Michael Gove dream ticket. Michael Gove enobles Osborne.
Osborne comes back as the new Lord Mandelson??
No, it will be Boris no contest. Woman on BBC London News says she did not vote for May but would have voted for Boris. Boris could get a majority of 50 I think against Corbyn. Could even be Davis leads during negotiations then Boris takes over post Brexit before election
I don't want Boris. Put me down as anyone but Boris.
He's an incompetent buffoon. Not up to the job of governing as PM.
What you really want is someone who's got the work ethic and eye-for-detail of May behind the scenes, but the campaigning verve, passion and oratory of Boris in public.
Might I suggest this is why Ruth does well? She's a clever lady, smart tactician, and also a very effective campaigner who uses comedy to good effect.
She is basically Boris with less buffoonery.
Every Tory I've spoken to today from every wing of the party has mentioned her name, unprompted.
Every. Single. One.
To state the bleedin' obvious, 12 gains. TWELVE.
She formed a tank-riding, dog-walking Scottish firewall against PM Corbyn. Of course they're singing her praises.
Today. But she apparently is happy to keep free movement of people in return for single market access. That is toxic for many Tories south of the border.
It is not the same Party. The idea it is is a delusion,
Which is why her coming south wouldn't work. She should be aiming to be First Minister.
The Tories have 318 MPs - is there not a dynamic, persuasive, untainted prospect for the leadership among them?
Yeah, she should be focussing on the 2021 elections to get the SNP out of power.
Sorry I don't think there will ever be a tory Scottish FM. She could much reduce the SNP seats tho, such that SNP & Greens don't get near a majority.
You mean I'm not going to be needing my KLAXONs? How much worse can this week get
Boris Johnson missed his chance last year . He probably woukd have wom but the moments gone. When may takes ill health retirement hammond will take over and the conservatives will lose seats all round . Corbyn pm by next may
Boris is past his sell-by date. His irreverent approach was funny and attractive but now it has become stale and embarrassing, particularly as foreign secretary. His leadership and negotiating skills are exposed as zero.
Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
Boris Johnson missed his chance last year . He probably woukd have wom but the moments gone. When may takes ill health retirement hammond will take over and the conservatives will lose seats all round . Corbyn pm by next may
Boris is past his sell-by date. His irreverent approach was funny and attractive but now it has become stale and embarrassing, particularly as foreign secretary. His leadership and negotiating skills are exposed as zero.
Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
Boris Johnson missed his chance last year . He probably woukd have wom but the moments gone. When may takes ill health retirement hammond will take over and the conservatives will lose seats all round . Corbyn pm by next may
Boris is past his sell-by date. His irreverent approach was funny and attractive but now it has become stale and embarrassing, particularly as foreign secretary. His leadership and negotiating skills are exposed as zero.
Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
I've always really envied your access to Boris and your lengthy treaty negotiation sessions with him.
Can you tell those of us who haven't been exposed to that side of him - what's it really like in that cauldron of intrigue?
How did you expose his negotiating skills as zero all of those times? Did you get a buzz out of continually besting him across a boardroom table? Maybe you've got like a top 10 list of your favourite things he's foolishly said to you that you were able to turn around to the advantage of your team of diplomats?
However if Con had 10 seats less I suspect Corbyn would have come in, governed in a fairly moderate way for 6 months which got people used to the concept of him as PM without doing anything too wild, and then Corbyn would have called another GE which would have given him a majority.
My thinking here is that Corbyn would have to negotiate Brexit almost immediately, meaning he would lose the support of either the RedKippers or London Remainers in short order.
As it is, we look like we'll have a Tory minority government leaking credibility and authority by the minute. Leading to a Labour government after the next election dominated by the hard left.
I'll say it now - TSE etc were right about May. I liked her initially but she needs to go. It may be that they were right more by accident than design, a if the Tories actually had a decent campaign we'd be looking at a reasonable Tory majority. But we are where we are now. The only thing that can save us now is if the Tory/DUP arrangement results in a stable government that has a good, solid rethink. May shows no sign of doing that now.
Boris Johnson missed his chance last year . He probably woukd have wom but the moments gone. When may takes ill health retirement hammond will take over and the conservatives will lose seats all round . Corbyn pm by next may
Boris is past his sell-by date. His irreverent approach was funny and attractive but now it has become stale and embarrassing, particularly as foreign secretary. His leadership and negotiating skills are exposed as zero.
Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
I've always really envied your access to Boris and your lengthy treaty negotiation sessions with him.
Can you tell those of us who haven't been exposed to that side of him - what's it really like in that cauldron of intrigue?
How did you expose his negotiating skills as zero all of those times? Did you get a buzz out of continually besting him across a boardroom table? Maybe you've got like a top 10 list of your favourite things he's foolishly said to you that you were able to turn around to the advantage of your team of diplomats?
I don't have a top 10 list but some examples:
Boris humiliated (totally ignored) at the G7 when he proposed more sanctions against Russia. Boris saying we would follow the Trump line on Syria without knowing what it would be. Domestically - the London Garden Bridge (Joanna Lumley) or the Emirates bridge.
It's a toss up between him and May who is the worst leader or the most pliable negotiating opponent.
You're a little bit on the defensive with regard to Boris. I totally understand why.
One for TSE: Amber Rudd-Michael Gove dream ticket. Michael Gove enobles Osborne.
Osborne comes back as the new Lord Mandelson??
No, it will be Boris no contest. Woman on BBC London News says she did not vote for May but would have voted for Boris. Boris could get a majority of 50 I think against Corbyn. Could even be Davis leads during negotiations then Boris takes over post Brexit before election
I don't want Boris. Put me down as anyone but Boris.
He's an incompetent buffoon. Not up to the job of governing as PM.
What you really want is someone who's got the work ethic and eye-for-detail of May behind the scenes, but the campaigning verve, passion and oratory of Boris in public.
Might I suggest this is why Ruth does well? She's a clever lady, smart tactician, and also a very effective campaigner who uses comedy to good effect.
She is basically Boris with less buffoonery.
Every Tory I've spoken to today from every wing of the party has mentioned her name, unprompted.
Every. Single. One.
To state the bleedin' obvious, 12 gains. TWELVE.
She formed a tank-riding, dog-walking Scottish firewall against PM Corbyn. Of course they're singing her praises.
Today. But she apparently is happy to keep free movement of people in return for single market access. That is toxic for many Tories south of the border.
It is not the same Party. The idea it is is a delusion,
Which is why her coming south wouldn't work. She should be aiming to be First Minister.
The Tories have 318 MPs - is there not a dynamic, persuasive, untainted prospect for the leadership among them?
Yeah, she should be focussing on the 2021 elections to get the SNP out of power.
Sorry I don't think there will ever be a tory Scottish FM. She could much reduce the SNP seats tho, such that SNP & Greens don't get near a majority.
You mean I'm not going to be needing my KLAXONs? How much worse can this week get
One for TSE: Amber Rudd-Michael Gove dream ticket. Michael Gove enobles Osborne.
Osborne comes back as the new Lord Mandelson??
No, it will be Boris no contest. Woman on BBC London News says she did not vote for May but would have voted for Boris. Boris could get a majority of 50 I think against Corbyn. Could even be Davis leads during negotiations then Boris takes over post Brexit before election
I don't want Boris. Put me down as anyone but Boris.
He's an incompetent buffoon. Not up to the job of governing as PM.
What you really want is someone who's got the work ethic and eye-for-detail of May behind the scenes, but the campaigning verve, passion and oratory of Boris in public.
Might I suggest this is why Ruth does well? She's a clever lady, smart tactician, and also a very effective campaigner who uses comedy to good effect.
She is basically Boris with less buffoonery.
Every Tory I've spoken to today from every wing of the party has mentioned her name, unprompted.
Every. Single. One.
To state the bleedin' obvious, 12 gains. TWELVE.
She formed a tank-riding, dog-walking Scottish firewall against PM Corbyn. Of course they're singing her praises.
Today. But she apparently is happy to keep free movement of people in return for single market access. That is toxic for many Tories south of the border.
It is not the same Party. The idea it is is a delusion,
Which is why her coming south wouldn't work. She should be aiming to be First Minister.
The Tories have 318 MPs - is there not a dynamic, persuasive, untainted prospect for the leadership among them?
Boris Johnson missed his chance last year . He probably woukd have wom but the moments gone. When may takes ill health retirement hammond will take over and the conservatives will lose seats all round . Corbyn pm by next may
Boris is past his sell-by date. His irreverent approach was funny and attractive but now it has become stale and embarrassing, particularly as foreign secretary. His leadership and negotiating skills are exposed as zero.
Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
I've always really envied your access to Boris and your lengthy treaty negotiation sessions with him.
Can you tell those of us who haven't been exposed to that side of him - what's it really like in that cauldron of intrigue?
How did you expose his negotiating skills as zero all of those times? Did you get a buzz out of continually besting him across a boardroom table? Maybe you've got like a top 10 list of your favourite things he's foolishly said to you that you were able to turn around to the advantage of your team of diplomats?
I don't have a top 10 list but some examples:
Boris humiliated (totally ignored) at the G7 when he proposed more sanctions against Russia. Boris saying we would follow the Trump line on Syria without knowing what it would be. Domestically - the London Garden Bridge (Joanna Lumley) or the Emirates bridge.
It's a toss up between him and May who is the worst leader or the most pliable negotiating opponent.
You're a little bit on the defensive with regard to Boris. I totally understand why.
I fail to see how Boris Johnson could conceivably be considered as a possible suitable future leader of the Conservative Party. Those in any doubt should consider his performance in the notorioius interview with Eddie Mair, dating back to 2013:
Not only does he come across and an evasive, bumbling idiot, but his actions show him to be, as Mr Mair rightly concludes in my view, a "rather nasty bit of work". It's certainly difficult to argue with that and the Tories really do need to look elsewhere and as a matter of some urgency with a view to identifying their next leader .... surely there's someone in their ranks better than this?
One for TSE: Amber Rudd-Michael Gove dream ticket. Michael Gove enobles Osborne.
Osborne comes back as the new Lord Mandelson??
No, it will be Boris no contest. Woman on BBC London News says she did not vote for May but would have voted for Boris. Boris could get a majority of 50 I think against Corbyn. Could even be Davis leads during negotiations then Boris takes over post Brexit before election
I don't want Boris. Put me down as anyone but Boris.
He's an incompetent buffoon. Not up to the job of governing as PM.
What you really want is someone who's got the work ethic and eye-for-detail of May behind the scenes, but the campaigning verve, passion and oratory of Boris in public.
Might I suggest this is why Ruth does well? She's a clever lady, smart tactician, and also a very effective campaigner who uses comedy to good effect.
She is basically Boris with less buffoonery.
Every Tory I've spoken to today from every wing of the party has mentioned her name, unprompted.
Every. Single. One.
We need Davidson to continue fighting the SNP, Boris to fight Labour
One wonders when the time will ever be right for Ms Davidson to come to Westminster though. She's actually in an awful predicament.
All political careers end in failure - just ask TMay and Cameron. The risk for Ruth is that the shine will come off some day, and when (not if, when) it does, when the music stops, will she have held on too long in Scotland and never took the opportunity that presented itself to her?
An unenviable position.
This presumes that she'd want to move to Westminster in the first place. It's far from automatically true. It's just as likely she'd see FM in Edinburgh as her ultimate goal.
Having slept for 12 hours and recovered from the drama I've calmed down from my anger at it all. Seems to me there's an obvious way forward, if anyone has the wit to make it happen. From the result it's clear the electorate do not approve either side having a majority and also have not provided a clear path to coalition of stability. We also know that 13 million on each side support the main party thrusts, and that the SNP remain the biggest player for Scotland and that LD and Plaid are relevant enough to have increased seats. Green politics is seen as niche but relevant enough that Lucas personal vote went up. I do not propose national government, I propose the agreement of a national programme and national Brexit task force. A programme to be made up of key proposals from both main sides and some issues of the minority parties. An agreed Brexit task force send strategy, national red lines. A new contract with the people, young and old. Run it all on cabinet government basis with a rainbow cabinet to the point of leaving the EU. Restore the faith of people in the establishment to understand the result given them. Then back to the country with each party's proposals to see if we want to give either or any majority rights. All non national programme issues to be debated and voted on free vote terms until the next majority government is elected. Let the opposition shoot it down if they want and not see part of their vision implemented.
IMHO any other solution will be damaging to the parties, damaging to stability, damaging to Brexit and, as such, catastrophic for us all. We've given our answer, they need to listen to it.
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Though many Tory members may still have a soft spot for Boris, many others will recognise that he is not a PM in waiting. He is much too short on Betfair.
Can you tell those of us who haven't been exposed to that side of him - what's it really like in that cauldron of intrigue?
How did you expose his negotiating skills as zero all of those times? Did you get a buzz out of continually besting him across a boardroom table? Maybe you've got like a top 10 list of your favourite things he's foolishly said to you that you were able to turn around to the advantage of your team of diplomats?
As it is, we look like we'll have a Tory minority government leaking credibility and authority by the minute. Leading to a Labour government after the next election dominated by the hard left.
I'll say it now - TSE etc were right about May. I liked her initially but she needs to go. It may be that they were right more by accident than design, a if the Tories actually had a decent campaign we'd be looking at a reasonable Tory majority. But we are where we are now. The only thing that can save us now is if the Tory/DUP arrangement results in a stable government that has a good, solid rethink. May shows no sign of doing that now.
Boris humiliated (totally ignored) at the G7 when he proposed more sanctions against Russia.
Boris saying we would follow the Trump line on Syria without knowing what it would be.
Domestically - the London Garden Bridge (Joanna Lumley) or the Emirates bridge.
It's a toss up between him and May who is the worst leader or the most pliable negotiating opponent.
You're a little bit on the defensive with regard to Boris. I totally understand why.
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Not only does he come across and an evasive, bumbling idiot, but his actions show him to be, as Mr Mair rightly concludes in my view, a "rather nasty bit of work".
It's certainly difficult to argue with that and the Tories really do need to look elsewhere and as a matter of some urgency with a view to identifying their next leader .... surely there's someone in their ranks better than this?
Hard for English people to understand I know.
Seems to me there's an obvious way forward, if anyone has the wit to make it happen.
From the result it's clear the electorate do not approve either side having a majority and also have not provided a clear path to coalition of stability. We also know that 13 million on each side support the main party thrusts, and that the SNP remain the biggest player for Scotland and that LD and Plaid are relevant enough to have increased seats. Green politics is seen as niche but relevant enough that Lucas personal vote went up. I do not propose national government, I propose the agreement of a national programme and national Brexit task force. A programme to be made up of key proposals from both main sides and some issues of the minority parties. An agreed Brexit task force send strategy, national red lines. A new contract with the people, young and old. Run it all on cabinet government basis with a rainbow cabinet to the point of leaving the EU. Restore the faith of people in the establishment to understand the result given them. Then back to the country with each party's proposals to see if we want to give either or any majority rights. All non national programme issues to be debated and voted on free vote terms until the next majority government is elected.
Let the opposition shoot it down if they want and not see part of their vision implemented.
IMHO any other solution will be damaging to the parties, damaging to stability, damaging to Brexit and, as such, catastrophic for us all. We've given our answer, they need to listen to it.