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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311

    YouGov, Survation

    I'm sorry.

    Yours sincerely, Miss A

    The exit poll in 2015 didn't predict the eventual Tory majority. In fact, it's almost the same as tonight's figures.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: This could also be the start of a slow unravelling of Brexit (if the poll is right!)

    I think I owe you £50 !
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770

    Exit poll looks too good for Lab. 68 in SS sounds high.

    Who did this exit poll? Survation?? :lol:
    Gold standard
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Is it possible that the constituencies used in the exit poll could be massively unrepresentative if we have had a complete shift in voting patterns?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Any chance we're so used to the exit poll being right we're placing too much faith in it?

    It’s a Curtice exit poll, so there is every reason to believe it will be close to the final outcome, but it could be +/- 20 seats or so. – That’s just my opinion of course.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,203
    alex. said:

    Newcastle and Sunderland aren't exactly running at their normal speed. Recount?

    Higher turnout?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Already I'm seeing rumbles on twitter that this could 'stop' Brexit...this could get very nasty very quickly
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    May is nailed on for worst ever modern PM & Con leader, unless this poll is spectacularly wrong.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.

    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.


    Liberals will go in with Labour with single market as a price. That's my current thinking.
    Adding LDs that still doesn't add up to a majority. Will anything actually get passed? Certainly, controversial measures will be a challenge.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,125
    Chameleon said:

    Chris said:

    Chameleon said:

    BBC saying Tories nearly certain to capture Clwyd South, Delyn, and Wrexham, all Labour-held Brexit voting marginals with around 2000-3000 majorities. But losing likewise Brexitish Derby North, Bury North, Bolton West, South Ribble, and others, all Tory-Labour Brexit marginals.

    Does this make sense???

    No. Exit poll is fucked. Which direction however is not so clear.
    If you don't which direction it's fucked in, why are you so sure it's fucked at all?
    Because the predicted gains are pretty odd, with identical places a few km either side of a border flipping opposite ways.
    Then you should be looking into why that's being predicted, and considering whether or not it's right.

    Honestly, all people said about that YouGov model was "It's unbelievable, it doesn't feel right". Now the exit poll is saying essentially the same thing. Maybe people need to be more questioning of their gut feeling, if they can't identify any flaws in the evidence that goes against it.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    DUP Donaldson barely able to conceal his glee on the BBC.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,454
    MaxPB said:

    HaroldO said:
    Fuck George Osborne. Fucking idiot. He took all of those jobs and left parliament. Fucking tool. He could be PM by Monday if he had run.
    People like Mortimer made it clear he wasn't welcome in the Tory party.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    alex. said:

    Newcastle and Sunderland aren't exactly running at their normal speed. Recount?

    Higher turnout?
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    viewcode said:

    ...a Lab-SNP coalition could be viable...

    OH FUCK. IF THAT HAPPENS WE'RE GREECE WITH NUKES.
    We won't have nukes with a Lab/SNP government
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,015
    MaxPB said:

    HaroldO said:
    Fuck George Osborne. Fucking idiot. He took all of those jobs and left parliament. Fucking tool. He could be PM by Monday if he had run.
    LOL. You were a Brexiter. You destroyed Cameron and Osborne. You have reaped this.

    (Naturally, if the exit poll is really wrong and May gets a very workable majority I'll take all this back!)
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Chameleon said:

    alex. said:

    Apologies - has anyone answered the question about how the Exit poll samples postal voters?

    They don't take account of postals.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's based on swing though, not raw votes, so if postals swing approximately the same way as on the day, it is right.
    But if the swing on the day is due to heavy youth turnout, then the postal swing is unlikely to ma?tch it
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    Sunderland South 2010:

    Lab 50%
    Tory 21%
    LD 14%
    UKIP/BNP 8%
    Ind 7%

    2015:
    Lab 55%
    UKIP 22%
    Tory 19%
    Green/LD 5%

    2017:
    UKIP/Green/LD/Ind: 12%?

    Good result for Tories: 30%
    Indifferent: 25%
    Bad: 20%
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited June 2017
    The Newcastle Central (soon to be) MP is taking a selfie
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    alex. said:

    Is it possible that the constituencies used in the exit poll could be massively unrepresentative if we have had a complete shift in voting patterns?

    Yes in theory but it would be the mother of all cocks ups.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    calum said:

    I think I owe you £50 !

    :smile:

    Long night ahead...
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    Curtice thinks we can rule out

    - Con landslide
    -Labour largest party

    Thinks that Con leader will be PM
    Thinks we can't rule out Con majority

    But who would be leader? Labour cannot work with the SNP and the Lib Dems, the latter may do supply & c but they got burnt last time.
    Sleep!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Sky ticker: Newcastle Central declaration within 10 minutes. Do we have the exit poll projection for that one?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    alex. said:

    Is it possible that the constituencies used in the exit poll could be massively unrepresentative if we have had a complete shift in voting patterns?

    Possible.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Oh. So today I was tasked with doing a sweepstake in my office. I came up with Tory seat bands that seemed fair (smaller around 350 to 370). I drew 305-328.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311
    RobD said:

    If this exit poll is correct, what sort of figures should we be looking for in Sunderland and Newcastle?

    Increased Labour majorities? Or is it too MoE to make any determinations?

    Houghton & Sunderland S prediction from exit poll:

    Lab 68
    Con 23
    UKIP 6
    LD 2
    GRN 1
    "Multiple signals. In front and behind!"
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Andrew said:

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.
    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.

    If the exit poll is dead on it's another election.
    Indeed. No one will go into coalition with Tories
    DUP
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It turns out that more than one crazy backŵard-looking fantasy is popular. Who knew?
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Leadsom for leader?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.

    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.


    Liberals will go in with Labour with single market as a price. That's my current thinking.
    No Coalition, support on a vote by vote basis.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    tlg86 said:

    Oh. So today I was tasked with doing a sweepstake in my office. I came up with Tory seat bands that seemed fair (smaller around 350 to 370). I drew 305-328.

    Did you draw up any lower? It's possible.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Well my 150 Conservative majority was totally wrong...
    Very exciting and very glad I put a couple of quid on spreadsheet Phil as next pm.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882

    The Rotherham Star:
    "New: Labour sources say they are confident of holding all three Rotherham seats."


    well, thanks!

    Well Labour were as long as 8/13 to win Rother Valley at some points
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    Ruth Davidson is far from lightweight. She took over the Scots Tories when they were close to having the life support machine turned off. She is a far superior campaigner to May
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,015
    Any bets on Sinn Fein taking their seats in parliament under a Corbyn government? They are friends, after all.... ;)
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    HYUFD said:

    Reuters reporting May saying she will go if she does not get 320, so could be PM Hammond by weekend on that basis

    If she goes and we get Johnson tonight will quickly become a nightmare
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,454

    It turns out that more than one crazy backŵard-looking fantasy is popular. Who knew?

    I'm so annoyed you stole my thread idea about Brexit and Corbyn being two cheeks of the same arse.

    6 minute abs indeed.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,232
    Freggles said:

    James Wharton in Stockton South could be in trouble according to Exit Poll.

    Having been at the heart of Labour strategy in Stockton South and co-written our leaflets, I am a sad man tonight to be up here in Crieff and not at the count as I should be...
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    OliverOliver Posts: 33
    Chameleon said:

    May is nailed on for worst ever modern PM & Con leader, unless this poll is spectacularly wrong.

    Yeah and I thought Cameron had that in the bag.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    I have a bet, David Davis as next conservative leader , 100/1.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    isam said:

    Basically we are where we were 3 years ago except we are leaving the EU

    A Coalition agreeing on EEA/EFTA soft Brexit may well work.

    Could end up with that, PM Boris with Lib Dem support putting an EEA/EFTA plan through.
    Totally happy with that. Fuck off Theresa, you silly woman
    UKIP would surge if that was the result but I would also accept that having voted Remain last year. May to be fair to her voted Remain but decided to give the Brexit voting North and Midlands the immigration controls they voted for, if they have not voted for that and to give May the mandate she needed for hard Brexit as a Tory I am now tempted to say sod the North and Midlands, let's have as soft a Brexit as possible and flood the North and Midlands with Poles and Estonians and Romanians!
    The worm has turned again!!
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 332
    Exit poll shouldn't need 68% in H&SS to be right, achieving an overall swing of 4.5% is harder when you're already over 50% vote share. In 1997, the Sunderland seats were swinging 9% to 10%, moving the predictions down to a Labour majority of around 100 from the initial near 200. But more marginal constituencies got 17% and 18% swings making the exit poll much more correct. (Still don't believe the exit poll though)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    Jeremy Corbyn - I truly dislike your politics, and I believe you manifesto was a (positive) nonsense, but well done, even though you are likely to be the second most popular party, not the most popular, clearly people loved what you were selling.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,353
    I am pulling my house off the market in the morning.

    It will be interesting watching PM Corbyn fuck up the country. Hopefully he won't last too long.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh. So today I was tasked with doing a sweepstake in my office. I came up with Tory seat bands that seemed fair (smaller around 350 to 370). I drew 305-328.

    Did you draw up any lower? It's possible.
    Yes, 304 and below is the bottom category.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    This could be 1997 levels of tactical voting back in play.

    1 thing we didn't discuss much - tories have been in power 7 years. A generic anti government swing was never really factored in much. Perhaps people just generally are tiring of the tories.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Just seen Bridget Phillipson!
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,722

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.

    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.


    Liberals will go in with Labour with single market as a price. That's my current thinking.
    A confidence, supply and Brexit deal, subject to approval on Brexit direction with either party would be my guess.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    The exit poll does seem problematic - it whiffs a little, but is also plausible.

    It's the Lab -> UKIP -> Con voters that are the key, the dementia tax policy and her other shitty policies ruined that swing and drove scores of them back to Labour.
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    CCHQ never wavered from 350-360 seats in all I heard. This is worst case scenario.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.

    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.


    Liberals will go in with Labour with single market as a price. That's my current thinking.
    No Coalition, support on a vote by vote basis.
    Brexit and single market may not be an option.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I'm feeling a bit more confident about my big CON sell spread bet at 393 seats.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    This is the time of the year we have to see Bridget Philipson. Then we can freeze her until next GE
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    I recommend reading the tongue in cheek piece posted by Edmund in Tokyo earlier.

    https://medium.com/@roreiy/i-tried-to-write-a-neoliberal-troll-case-for-jeremy-corbyn-i-really-did-69a37b2d5eb

    If the UK is on its way out, we may as well go out with a bang.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937

    It turns out that more than one crazy backŵard-looking fantasy is popular. Who knew?

    The swivel-eyed right opened the genie's bottle. They could not control what happened next.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    It turns out that more than one crazy backŵard-looking fantasy is popular. Who knew?

    Aren't you supposed to not be here :-)

    We will miss you though
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770

    LDs aren't going anywhere near the Tories after the coalition. Might not go near Labour either tbh.

    Labour may only have SNP/Green/PC to rely on.


    Liberals will go in with Labour with single market as a price. That's my current thinking.
    No Coalition, support on a vote by vote basis.
    But essentially there to do what Labour wants, as they won't touch the Tories even on that basis.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    I'm feeling a bit more confident about my big CON sell spread bet at 393 seats.

    Just a touch? :D
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,943
    What should Newcastle result be?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HaroldO said:

    Curtice thinks we can rule out

    - Con landslide
    -Labour largest party

    Thinks that Con leader will be PM
    Thinks we can't rule out Con majority

    But who would be leader? Labour cannot work with the SNP and the Lib Dems, the latter may do supply & c but they got burnt last time.
    Sleep!
    Why can't Labour work with the SNP? It wouldn't be popular, but I don't see Corbyn turning it down.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Newcastle Central to declare.

    Sunderland beaten
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    First result up
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Newcastle about to declare
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Scott_P said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fuck George Osborne. Fucking idiot. He took all of those jobs and left parliament. Fucking tool. He could be PM by Monday if he had run.

    Why would he want that?

    Whoever is PM on Monday is in deep shit
    Yep, Brexit was already bad enough.

    Time to get qualified and vamoose for me.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Newcastle Central result coming up.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    DUP

    314+8? Maybe short term while Cons find a new leader.

    IG con midpoint up to 332 though.....

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,353

    It turns out that more than one crazy backŵard-looking fantasy is popular. Who knew?

    You must be delighted with this result.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,337
    If my impression from Broxtowe (which the BBC is showing as a Labour gain) is right, even getting close would be dependent on the huge increase in youth vote, coupled with more or less hanging on in the WWC areas.

    If that's right, I doubt if Sunderland and Newscastle will show a huge Labour jump.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,770
    dr_spyn said:

    Newcastle Central result coming up.

    Nobody overreact - if the proportions are less than the exit poll suggests for this seat, well, the exit poll is really more about the seats changing hands, which might well swing more than seats that were already very strongly Labour.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    24K for Lab in Newcastle Central.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,617
    Geordies beat the Mackems!
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,125

    Already I'm seeing rumbles on twitter that this could 'stop' Brexit...this could get very nasty very quickly

    Brexit can't realistically be stopped, now that Article 50 has been invoked. The question is, what kind of Brexit. If the woman whose answer to that question was just "Brexit means Brexit" is on the way out, that can only be a step forward.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Turnout up 10pp.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    edited June 2017
    newcastle - swing con to lab of 2.1%

    Labour up and tories up, but labour up by more, turnout up 67% from 60%. UKIP cratering and gone not to tories but all over
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    WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    kle4 said:

    Jeremy Corbyn - I truly dislike your politics, and I believe you manifesto was a (positive) nonsense, but well done, even though you are likely to be the second most popular party, not the most popular, clearly people loved what you were selling.

    Corbyn was the conservative in this election - let's get the family silver back.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,015
    Big increases in both Con and Lab in Newcastle Central over 2015: Lab's increase more in numbers terms (and probably percentage).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    Newcastle Central

    LD 1,812
    Tories 9,534
    UKIP 1,482
    Lab 24,071
    Green 595


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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Lab maj only up by 2,264 votes in Newcastle Central. Not massive.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,970
    Swing to Labour at 2.1%!!!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Newcastle Central not out of line with the exit poll
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Armed police at a count - for fucks sake!
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Tell us again about how the WWC love the Tories now.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,015
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    HaroldO said:
    Fuck George Osborne. Fucking idiot. He took all of those jobs and left parliament. Fucking tool. He could be PM by Monday if he had run.
    LOL. You were a Brexiter. You destroyed Cameron and Osborne. You have reaped this.

    (Naturally, if the exit poll is really wrong and May gets a very workable majority I'll take all this back!)
    Idiotic. Cameron and Osborne lost an unloseable referendum. By taking us alll for wankers with a shit campaign. It was all their fault. An odd echo of Theresa May.
    Nah, not idiotic. Think about it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    AndyJS said:

    Lab maj only up by 2,264 votes in Newcastle Central. Not massive.

    Newcastle also voted Remain in the EUref
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Much better for the Conservatives in Newcastle than the exit poll expected
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    +9.9% for Lab
    +5.7% for Con
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    Newcastle Lab +10 Tories +6, first result Kellner says much better for Tories than exit poll
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Substantially better for the Tories, but in Newcastle. What about elsewhere?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Chris said:

    Already I'm seeing rumbles on twitter that this could 'stop' Brexit...this could get very nasty very quickly

    Brexit can't realistically be stopped, now that Article 50 has been invoked. The question is, what kind of Brexit. If the woman whose answer to that question was just "Brexit means Brexit" is on the way out, that can only be a step forward.
    It can, the EU would probably let us cancel it.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kellner: Tories do substantially better in Newcastle Central than expected.

    Maybe Tories heading for majority after all.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    Con massive outperform Exit in Newcastle.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,454
    hunchman said:

    Armed police at a count - for fucks sake!

    You've never heard of Northern Ireland have you?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Tory majority is probably on.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    edited June 2017
    Exit poll predicted a 7% swing to Labour, Newcastle just 2% swing to Labour even in a Remain seat
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    LD and Greens squeezed to within an inch of their life.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261

    Much better for the Conservatives in Newcastle than the exit poll expected

    Yep Kellner saying the same. Was expecting something like 7%.
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