Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
Politicians had an attention to detail in that era which they don't have today.
I really wonder what the current politicians do differently now.
The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
She is head of the party which was and again hopes to be be charged with making Brexit happen. What she thought, or what Jezza thinks, is unimportant. It is to balance the wish of the majority of the country with perceived best interests of the country economically (because economically is all there is that can be dropped on your foot).
People conflate the Cons with Brexiteers, which roughly corresponds to the truth, but is irrelevant to the task at hand. It isn't fair that the Cons will be penalised for Brexit, but then that's the way it goes.
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
Good end for the PM. Audience member standing up clapping! To be fair I thought both of them did better than I was expecting. Not sure it will change much....
Not if she wins with an increased majority, however slight. She would, however, regret not doing better out of it as she would have thought she would - I actually believe it was a snap decision to call for it and not strategy, as she has not prepared well at all.
Corbyn has been loving the campaign and is confident right now, he's been a lot worse at other times. May is, well, not great, but as a frequent bed wetter I'm not quivering over this stuff tonight. Labour will continue to be energised, some Tories really panicking, both sides will overreact, and polls will continue to show a sub 10 lead for Tories, probably continuing to be close to 5 than 10 for the ones already at the lower end of that scale.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Oh gawd another meltdown. Come on Sean.
I'm perfectly calm. She's just not very good - at this stuff, anyway. As she is still likely to win, let us pray she is better at negotiating. I'm not optimistic. But hey ho.
They don't normally negotiate in front of Faisal, Paxo or a studio audience!
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Oh gawd another meltdown. Come on Sean.
I'm perfectly calm. She's just not very good - at this stuff, anyway. As she is still likely to win, let us pray she is better at negotiating. I'm not optimistic. But hey ho.
Have just got in after the hustings in Epping and she seemed perfectly fine to me in her closing statement, making clear she would stand up to those who want to punish the UK and also not sign up to anything just for the sake of a deal and she was loudly applauded for it at the end
Not been able to watch, from the reaction here it seems like Corbyn lied to the public and was caught out by Paxo, while May has been as crap as we've all come to expect. Anything else?
Entirely OT, but answers a question I had a few weeks ago. Was delivering leaflets to a nesrby street and chatted to a gent in his porch. Confirmed kipper. When I told him no UKIP candidate he said, oh, then I guess I'll be putting a cross in the Tory box then.
Those millions of kippers who don't see UKIP on their ballot paper will be voting Tory. Enough to turn a strong performance into a landslide, methinks.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Oh gawd another meltdown. Come on Sean.
I'm perfectly calm. She's just not very good - at this stuff, anyway. As she is still likely to win, let us pray she is better at negotiating. I'm not optimistic. But hey ho.
Relax - we're in the hands of the officials more than politicians on that score I think.
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
It is obvious that Jezza was a fully paid up supporter of Irish independence and unification, and opposed the British State over Ireland. I suppose I am at least disappointed (but actually disgusted) that he should now lie about it and still be called a pretty straight kind of guy.
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
Both Thatcher and May got second class degrees.
Credit to them both. You only get three years at university, once in your life, with so many opportunities and experiences on offer. Spending three years in the library to get a first isn't the right choice.
@dizzy_thinks: May when asked "are you prepared to walk away" refuses to say "yes. You've just had your bluff called and negotiations haven't even started.
Advice to May's team - don't try to explain away any perceived poorness by saying its substance over style, it just focuses the mind on her doing badly if you say that.
Why didn't she just say that no she hasn't changed her mind, she preferred to Remain but will work for the best Leave? Would that have been so bad?
I think she was trying to say that in her own way, lol.
She should have just said it. Her attempts to fudge looked needlessly evasive
I'm pretty sure she said something quite close to what you are saying, about the referendum having drawn a line under the issue, and that she would work for the best deal. She didn't deny campaigning for Remain, she mentioned it a few times in fact.
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
@dizzy_thinks: May when asked "are you prepared to walk away" refuses to say "yes. You've just had your bluff called and negotiations haven't even started.
Scott, she said she'd walk away. Whether she will or not is another matter, but she needs to give the impression to the EU that she will.
@dizzy_thinks: May when asked "are you prepared to walk away" refuses to say "yes. You've just had your bluff called and negotiations haven't even started.
Surely the bluff would be saying you are going to walk away while you are in the negotiations?
Interesting hustings in Epping tonight, representatives from the LDs, Greens, Tories (Eleanor Laing) and UKIP (Patrick O'Flynn from the Express is the Kipper candidate) and someone from the Young People's Party (the Labour candidate could not attend). Generally a good debate if a little rowdy on Trident, the YPP meanwhile propose a heavy land tax and abolishing VAT and national insurance and cuts to income tax and legalising cannabis
Entirely OT, but answers a question I had a few weeks ago. Was delivering leaflets to a nesrby street and chatted to a gent in his porch. Confirmed kipper. When I told him no UKIP candidate he said, oh, then I guess I'll be putting a cross in the Tory box then.
Those millions of kippers who don't see UKIP on their ballot paper will be voting Tory. Enough to turn a strong performance into a landslide, methinks.
Told you that weeks ago, kippers won't vote for a pro immigration party such as Labour. Tories can relax, 50% with 150 seat majority. All this guff about the young voting for Corbyn, they just won't.
Presentation does not a prime minister make. Voters want intelligent, normal people running the country, not silver-tongued slebs, traitors or dictator-worshippers.
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
Both Thatcher and May got second class degrees.
Credit to them both. You only get three years at university, once in your life, with so many opportunities and experiences on offer. Spending three years in the library to get a first isn't the right choice.
Well depending on a person's intellect, and quality of university, you can get a first without wasting all that time in the library.
I'm trying to validate the speculation that a big discrepancy between the weighted and unweighted figures is a predictor of polling failure.
Unfortunately the Wikipedia entries with links to the originals only go back as far as 2010, and I've just spent hours going thry the Ipsos Mori archives before I realized they don't archive the *unweighted* numbers (or if they do, not far back enough)
Does anybody know a polling company that archives its weighted and unweighted (raw) figures from 2015 back to 1992 or earlier?
Interesting idea, but you might need to work on your null hypothesis. If there is no weighting at all would the polling failure go away?
Presentation does not a prime minister make. Voters want intelligent, normal people running the country, not silver-tongued slebs, traitors or dictator-worshippers.
Well the polls say they want May's conservatives, but not by very much.
The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
She is head of the party which was and again hopes to be be charged with making Brexit happen. What she thought, or what Jezza thinks, is unimportant. It is to balance the wish of the majority of the country with perceived best interests of the country economically (because economically is all there is that can be dropped on your foot).
People conflate the Cons with Brexiteers, which roughly corresponds to the truth, but is irrelevant to the task at hand. It isn't fair that the Cons will be penalised for Brexit, but then that's the way it goes.
I think it matters because it sets expectations. You can't go into a negotiation expecting to get a bad deal. The problem is that any Brexit deal will be worse than what we have already. That's the consequence of the vote to Leave. There is a need to get the best deal we can, whatever it is. The risk is that the best deal won't meet the unrealistic expectations and we walk away over the cliff edge.
It does worry me. Brexit was not a sensible decision as I far as was concerned but we are where are. We need to make the best of it. That includes having the best arrangement going forward thatt we can get. She could screw this up.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Do you really think elections i.e. seats are won or lost by stuff like this on TV? As long as they don't make a massive gaffe I don't think it changes a single vote. All this crap about wobbles are advanced by the media to make a story. The actual ground war where seats are lost and won is a different proposition. You can win the election in terms of seats convincingly yet not do that well in the media. I don't think when people hear Corbyn talk about spending significantly more money without a viable plan to raise revenue, they believe him. May is such a clear front runner that it is the only hope of the media to try and winkle out some area where she does not have such a solid lead. Every election campaign runs on similar narratives the only difference is Labour and the Tories switch sides in the narrative depending on who is starting out on top and likely to win. The media will talk about a last minute surge to the Tories next week or late swing.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
No, bollocks. She had a first class mind, she was able to cut through the crap.
Both Thatcher and May got second class degrees.
Credit to them both. You only get three years at university, once in your life, with so many opportunities and experiences on offer. Spending three years in the library to get a first isn't the right choice.
I can't help feeling that if Theresa May collapsed on the floor in a gibbering heap, mumbling that she couldn't take any more, some Tories here would praise it as a bravura performance. And if Jeremy Corbyn waded into the audience with a machete, some on the other side would be saying he'd done quite well all things considered.
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I really wonder what the current politicians do differently now.
People conflate the Cons with Brexiteers, which roughly corresponds to the truth, but is irrelevant to the task at hand. It isn't fair that the Cons will be penalised for Brexit, but then that's the way it goes.
I doubt many people are watching this though. Question Time will get higher ratings, I imagine.
Contrast with Corbyn on Falklands / Monarchy / Trident / MI5 / security - which may very well move floaters.
Just curios is your chose of name in homage to Milton Friedman's book, or something else?
(only kidding!)
Corbyn has been loving the campaign and is confident right now, he's been a lot worse at other times. May is, well, not great, but as a frequent bed wetter I'm not quivering over this stuff tonight. Labour will continue to be energised, some Tories really panicking, both sides will overreact, and polls will continue to show a sub 10 lead for Tories, probably continuing to be close to 5 than 10 for the ones already at the lower end of that scale.
But she will survive. She is just second class material.
So true.
Corbyn 5/10, May 6/10
First half 6/10
Second Half 6/10
Corbyn 15 - May 12
Blair and Cameron thought they could think on their feet and consequently had disastrous EU negotiations.
Must be Paxman Fan
Those millions of kippers who don't see UKIP on their ballot paper will be voting Tory. Enough to turn a strong performance into a landslide, methinks.
You should have elected a Leaver, Tories.
But she's PM and didn't drop a clanger. And came out well at the end on the EU. She did fine.
Politics, eh? Voters, eh?
Jezza won every round
But the audience continually laughing at Mrs May is never a good look.
It does worry me. Brexit was not a sensible decision as I far as was concerned but we are where are. We need to make the best of it. That includes having the best arrangement going forward thatt we can get. She could screw this up.
Why waste the best years of your life studying?