I thought May was fine, and stood up to Paxman well.
Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
Of course, that equivocation might have not been entirely accidental: something for both Remainers and Leavers to take away from her answer on Brexit there.
The worse bit was the blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire, but there's not much May could do about responding to that.
I can't help feeling that if Theresa May collapsed on the floor in a gibbering heap, mumbling that she couldn't take any more, some Tories here would praise it as a bravura performance. And if Jeremy Corbyn waded into the audience with a machete, some on the other side would be saying he's done quite well all things considered.
People have been celebrating her performance on here? Must have missed it...
Clearly a totally pointless exercise to determine the outcome of of this QT thing from the comments on here. Totally predictable. And was this QT thing ever going to tell us anything? What is the criteria by which supposedly intelligent people judge our leaders? Has anyone ever seen the pre TV statements from politicians to the public? How do they go down now? But is that an indicator of their abilities as statesmen?
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
Scott, she said she'd walk away. Whether she will or not is another matter, but she needs to give the impression to the EU that she will.
No, she didn't.
I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
Look on the bright side for Corbyn; the lengthy list of questions about his attitude to foreign affairs thirty years ago always means that his back-of-an-envelope economic policies for the next five years never get any real scrutiny.
If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
Why didn't she just say that no she hasn't changed her mind, she preferred to Remain but will work for the best Leave? Would that have been so bad?
"I'd have preferred to remain" Headlines from the papers.
I have wondered, given how she has presented since the Brexit vote, whether she was suggesting she had realised she was wrong to back remain in the first place, or if she accepted that however good a deal she thinks we can get, it will not be as good as remaining. Or as some of her early supporters bizarrely thought, that she was really a leaver. I was always prepared, in the absence of evidence, to assume she told the truth and that she felt remaining was best, but is dealing with the aftermath.
4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar say
Jezza won every round
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.
Maybe I think though Corbyn played Paxo quite well, elongated the trivia so there was less time for the serious questions. May ended well which might save her.
I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
Again, that's the whole point.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.
Overall I think Corbyn did the hopey changey stuff well. He also did quite frankly a great job in front of the audience.
His problem was he got utterly skewered on the drone strike/falklands stuff.
If he didn't have the baggage he'd have won that by a country mile. What will be interesting is whether the papers seize on the last 5 minutes and run with it. My suspicion is they will.
May was dull and stuttering. She did a good job on the social care stuff and was saved by Paxo on Brexit at the end. No blood was drawn.
We'll now see how the media plays it. My guess is tomorrow will be all about Corbyn's baggage. Which will suit the Tories.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Do you really think elections i.e. seats are won or lost by stuff like this on TV? As long as they don't make a massive gaffe I don't think it changes a single vote. All this crap about wobbles are advanced by the media to make a story. The actual ground war where seats are lost and won is a different proposition. You can win the election in terms of seats convincingly yet not do that well in the media. I don't think when people hear Corbyn talk about spending significantly more money without a viable plan to raise revenue, they believe him. May is such a clear front runner that it is the only hope of the media to try and winkle out some area where she does not have such a solid lead. Every election campaign runs on similar narratives the only difference is Labour and the Tories switch sides in the narrative depending on who is starting out on top and likely to win. The media will talk about a last minute surge to the Tories next week or late swing.
I think Corbyn's Falklands comment is a gaffe. Not sure how he will be able to get away from calling it a Tory plot. That's what crazy conspiracy types would say.
The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
She is head of the party which was and again hopes to be be charged with making Brexit happen. What she thought, or what Jezza thinks, is unimportant. It is to balance the wish of the majority of the country with perceived best interests of the country economically (because economically is all there is that can be dropped on your foot).
People conflate the Cons with Brexiteers, which roughly corresponds to the truth, but is irrelevant to the task at hand. It isn't fair that the Cons will be penalised for Brexit, but then that's the way it goes.
I think it matters because it sets expectations. You can't go into a negotiation expecting to get a bad deal. The problem is that any Brexit deal will be worse than what we have already. That's the consequence of the vote to Leave. There is a need to get the best deal we can, whatever it is. The risk is that the best deal won't meet the unrealistic expectations and we walk away over the cliff edge.
It does worry me. Brexit was not a sensible decision as I far as was concerned but we are where are. We need to the best of it. That includes having the best arrangement going forward thatt we can get. She could screw this up.
If we walk over the cliff edge then it will be the electorate who told the government to do so. Is the line that I understand.
As I have said many times on here, I believe that any government could say that we will stay in the single market and continue with FoM and as long as we "leave the EU", everyone should be happy. But they wouldn't be and I think any politician who disregarded the will of the people to such an extent would be penalised at the next available opportunity.
The reality is that we will be poorer as a result of Brexit. But we would be poorer as a result of a Labour government and we manage to survive it. In both instances, of course, it is those who can least afford it who suffer most but each of those still has a vote.
She might have lost the election tonight. She's really really not very good.
I wish she was. But she ain't.
Do you really think elections i.e. seats are won or lost by stuff like this on TV? As long as they don't make a massive gaffe I don't think it changes a single vote. All this crap about wobbles are advanced by the media to make a story. The actual ground war where seats are lost and won is a different proposition. You can win the election in terms of seats convincingly yet not do that well in the media. I don't think when people hear Corbyn talk about spending significantly more money without a viable plan to raise revenue, they believe him. May is such a clear front runner that it is the only hope of the media to try and winkle out some area where she does not have such a solid lead. Every election campaign runs on similar narratives the only difference is Labour and the Tories switch sides in the narrative depending on who is starting out on top and likely to win. The media will talk about a last minute surge to the Tories next week or late swing. I don't believe this actually happens rather it is a convenient term used to explain how opinion polls have been adjusted throughout an election campaign to make a story.
No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
I'm 34 and watched "An ungentlemanly act" last week, in fact most of my friends remember it and none of them are over 45.
I presume 'no one remembers' is a euphemism for 'no-one cares', since people use the former quite a bit on things younger people are perfectly capable of remembering and it is stupid to suggest they don't. On the Falklands, for one thing it crops up in the news every few years for one reason or another, I'm sure people under 45 notice it to some degree.
I am a Conservative supporter. I am biased. But I genuinely don't think Mrs May did badly in the interview. But Paxman didn't let her (nor Corbyn) speak initially, but she didn't make any big errors. Would I have given her a standing ovation as one in the audience did? No. She doesn't have rousing soundbites. Could she think faster on her feet? Probably. But I guess most of us could when nervous. The public know she is knowledgeable (good use of stats), dependable and completely serious in comparison to Mr Corbyn. She has also got years of experience in government and that is invaluable in these Brexit times. I would also hazard a guess she is far closer to the public's political compass than Mr Corbyn is too.
If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
Then your judgement may well be sounder than many others on here! Since it not only wasn't up for grabs, but you aren't backing either of the two on display.
4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar say
Jezza won every round
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.
Paxman made her very weak and wobbly.
I thought May was worse with Paxo, although both were poor. It would have been better if they had each been asked similar questions on key policy areas - Brexit, health, etc.- rather than Paxo focusing on what he felt were the personal weaknesses of each leader.
I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
Again, that's the whole point.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.
Paxman should have been quicker and asked her if remaining was better than no deal.
I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.
Simpler times in a way. Comments not focus-grouped, less fear of being reported out of context, no interruptions from the interviewer, more decorum and respect all round.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
I am a Conservative supporter. I am biased. But I genuinely don't think Mrs May did badly in the interview. But Paxman didn't let her (nor Corbyn) speak initially, but she didn't make any big errors. Would I have given her a standing ovation as one in the audience did? No. She doesn't have rousing soundbites. Could she think faster on her feet? Probably. But I guess most of us could when nervous. The public know she is knowledgeable (good use of stats), dependable and completely serious in comparison to Mr Corbyn. She has also got years of experience in government and that is invaluable in these Brexit times. I would also hazard a guess she is far closer to the public's political compass than Mr Corbyn is too.
If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
I doubt more than a million or 2 watched it anyway, it was not a head to head and on C4, I doubt it changes anything, neither had an outstanding performance it seems either
McDonnell doesn't get nearly as much stick as he should, he's far worse than Corbyn. Corbyn has (misguided) principles, McDonnell knows he's a nasty piece of work but unlike Corbyn has the ability to lie through his teeth.
I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.
Yes, that seems like today's take away. It's made him look like the crazy person he is in reality rather than the lies he's been telling lately.
No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
Voters aged over 45 do, and they vote in big numbers.
They might tell the kids about it too.
I wasn't about in WW2 but I still know I wouldn't vote for someone who sided w the Nazis. I think the lefties are failing to give youngsters any credit if they think they don't care because it was before their time
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
That would give her 3 years as PM assuming we sign an end deal on time?
"I've achieved my aim, and it took everything I had, so now time to hand over to a new leader to take us forward into the post Brexit age"?
Well, reading the comments was interesting. They remind me of Crick et al when they shout offensive questions to politicians as they are going into and out of 10, Downing Street. People mock the 1950s interviews on TV with their fawning, but is this really better, or more informative ?
Why do politicians put themselves through this sort of event except because they can't avoid them ?
May was totally right not the go for the seven in a ring event the left demanded.
4 rounds to Jez, 3 to May. Knockout stoppage victory for May by Falklands in round 8.
Oh dear what does Mrs Pulpstar say
Jezza won every round
Corbyn was better with the audience, May was better with Paxman.
Paxman made her very weak and wobbly.
I thought May was worse with Paxo, although both were poor. It would have been better if they had each been asked similar questions on key policy areas - Brexit, health, etc.- rather than Paxo focusing on what he felt were the personal weaknesses of each leader.
That is why debates are better than this format. Everyone responds to the same question. They also get the time to consider before they speak.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
Energy customers have a choice, rail passengers don't?
I know someone who worked for the CCHQ at the last election, he said shows like this are what you can clip and use against your opponents in attack ads.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
I think there was a language issue at the end; I think she thought she'd made it clear that she would walk away but like most politicians she is programmed not to answer 'yes' or 'no'.
Again, that's the whole point.
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.
That wasn't the impression I got. The impression I got was that she couldn't understand why Paxman was repeating the question when she thought she'd already answered it.
No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
Railways are run by regional monopolies, regulating fares makes sense unless a system where franchising is taken out and shot and replaced with completely open access to drive competition on single routes.
The energy market is not in the same position, anyone can switch to a different energy supplier, when I was commuting I had to get the awul Great Northern service or I wouldn't be able to get to work.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.
Saw nowt to change my opinion that 100+ will be the majority. However, reinforced my view that there is a small, but very noisy minority who will want TM to walk at the first sign of any difficulty. They will become larger and more angry when each detail of negotiation is revealed. Not sure she has the political steel to stare them down.
I am getting nostalgic for the Ed M 'No' on if Labour overspent and the reaction that got in the same format last time. Famously (for me), the prepared response as reported after the GE was basically the same only with the No at the end, basically the answer preparing the way for a No rather than leading with it, causing gasps. That is, he had an answer that might have worked, but delivered it poorly.
Simpler times in a way. Comments not focus-grouped, less fear of being reported out of context, no interruptions from the interviewer, more decorum and respect all round.
I think she would have handled this era fine, she was a one off. There will always be a Thatcher and May comparison because they were obviously both women, but Maggie was much much more formidable, a political colossus.
Still May by a mile. But it will be a phyrric victory.
A win is a win. But the next five years are going to be very, very hard for May. And if Labour learns the right lesson from this campaign, it will be in serious contention in 2022. Big if, though.
No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.
It received a lot of attention in 2002 during the 20th anniversary.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.
Indeed, it's why I think railways (along with water) could probably be nationalised without anyone really noticing.
Still May by a mile. But it will be a phyrric victory.
Depends, if it's still 100+ I don't think there will be many that are dissapointed.
It will be amusing. I for one will have to eat my words, but it will be a strange experience for her detractors if she has what many Tories consider to be a crap campaign and showed herself poorly, and she ends up winning a landslide anyway.
Well, reading the comments was interesting. They remind me of Crick et al when they shout offensive questions to politicians as they are going into and out of 10, Downing Street. People mock the 1950s interviews on TV with their fawning, but is this really better, or more informative ?
No. There was a period when the fawning ended but the "gotchas" weren't the norm. People like John Cole got the balance right.
Nowadays too many of the political correspondents have big egos, and seem to delight in these stupid games. It's not as bad as in the US, but we are heading in the same direction.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
The difference is that there is no difference - governments meddle when they think it wins them votes.
If in 2015 EdM had proposed a rail fares cap then Cameron would have proposed an energy price cap.
In fact the government was already meddling in energy prices with its cut in fuel duty in 2011.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.
Yah, ROCs is a work acronym that auto-correct changed.
Yes, it is is either use the train to get to Manchester or stay in Manchester overnight.
Driving over Woodhead or Snake Pass on a daily basis isn't really an option for me
Then your judgement may well be sounder than many others on here! Since it not only wasn't up for grabs, but you aren't backing either of the two on display.
It will be Labour supporters who are GLUMBUCKETS when Corbyns performance is televised. his passed will stop any Labour advance in its tracks.
People keep saying that will happen. Of course they might already have hit their ceiling in any case, though they've proven us wrong on that so far. Here's hoping.
I am getting nostalgic for the Ed M 'No' on if Labour overspent and the reaction that got in the same format last time. Famously (for me), the prepared response as reported after the GE was basically the same only with the No at the end, basically the answer preparing the way for a No rather than leading with it, causing gasps. That is, he had an answer that might have worked, but delivered it poorly.
As soon as that happened I knew that was a massive bollock dropped by EdM. Massive. But the media hardly picked up on it until after the election with the benefit of hindsight. A lot of these media chaps get paid ££££ to have a tin ear.
Well, IMO whoever wins is in for an utterly brutal time. Won't last five years.
Yes, I think the party will be gunning for May as soon as Brexit is done. Lots of unhappy people with the leftist crap on energy price caps and the racial pay charter.
But what's the difference between May's energy cap and Cameron's 2015 rail fares cap ?
ROCs receive subsidies from the taxpayers and energy companies don't?
You mean TOCs. And actually that's not the issue. The issue is that for some rail users (like me, but perhaps not you, but I'm not sure) there is no choice but to commute to work by train.
Yah, ROCs is a work acronym that auto-correct changed.
Yes, it is is either use the train to get to Manchester or stay in Manchester overnight.
Driving over Woodhead or Snake Pass on a daily basis isn't really an option for me
If May wins the election I'll think "oh well..." If Corbyn wins the election I'll think "oh hell!"
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
I doubt more than a million or 2 watched it anyway, it was not a head to head and on C4, I doubt it changes anything, neither had an outstanding performance it seems either
The Sun and the Mail will make sure everyone knows about Corbyn and his Falklands conspiracy theory.
No one under the age of 45 remembers the Falklands. In fact, the IRA question is more relevant as it was here.
I'm younger than 45 and don't actually remember the Falklands from the time, but I can remember being interested in it from about 1990 onwards. The same must be true for a lot of younger people.
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Her answer on Brexit being the right decision was slightly evasive, but she finished strongly on "no deal" and "difficult woman" that went down well.
Of course, that equivocation might have not been entirely accidental: something for both Remainers and Leavers to take away from her answer on Brexit there.
The worse bit was the blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire, but there's not much May could do about responding to that.
Totally predictable.
And was this QT thing ever going to tell us anything?
What is the criteria by which supposedly intelligent people judge our leaders?
Has anyone ever seen the pre TV statements from politicians to the public? How do they go down now? But is that an indicator of their abilities as statesmen?
Corbyn was the stronger peformer tonight but I don't think May was all that bad either. I'm voting Lib Dem anyway so my vote wasn't up for grabs tonight.
Calling the Falklands a 'Tory plot' o_O ?!
There seems to be an increasing differential to how things are viewed from inside and outside the M25.
https://twitter.com/joerichlaw/status/670534592424771584
She made the slogan clear, but when asked to confirm she would take no deal, she refused.
His problem was he got utterly skewered on the drone strike/falklands stuff.
If he didn't have the baggage he'd have won that by a country mile. What will be interesting is whether the papers seize on the last 5 minutes and run with it. My suspicion is they will.
May was dull and stuttering. She did a good job on the social care stuff and was saved by Paxo on Brexit at the end. No blood was drawn.
We'll now see how the media plays it. My guess is tomorrow will be all about Corbyn's baggage. Which will suit the Tories.
#BattleForNumber10 #MayVCorbyn #GE2017
As I have said many times on here, I believe that any government could say that we will stay in the single market and continue with FoM and as long as we "leave the EU", everyone should be happy. But they wouldn't be and I think any politician who disregarded the will of the people to such an extent would be penalised at the next available opportunity.
The reality is that we will be poorer as a result of Brexit. But we would be poorer as a result of a Labour government and we manage to survive it. In both instances, of course, it is those who can least afford it who suffer most but each of those still has a vote.
In 2015 it was Ed Miliband saying the last Labour government hadn't overspent
In 2017 it will be Corbyn's response/quote about The Falklands War/Tory plot.
"Yes I know I failed"
This guy could be the next Chancellor.
I wasn't about in WW2 but I still know I wouldn't vote for someone who sided w the Nazis. I think the lefties are failing to give youngsters any credit if they think they don't care because it was before their time
"I've achieved my aim, and it took everything I had, so now time to hand over to a new leader to take us forward into the post Brexit age"?
Why do politicians put themselves through this sort of event except because they can't avoid them ?
May was totally right not the go for the seven in a ring event the left demanded.
BITTERLY disappointed on that front
his passed will stop any Labour advance in its tracks.
I wonder how that would "trend" in the modern age.
The energy market is not in the same position, anyone can switch to a different energy supplier, when I was commuting I had to get the awul Great Northern service or I wouldn't be able to get to work.
Tim Shipman pulling no punches!
Q1) How is your allotment doing? Do you have a jam recipie to share with our viewers...
Nowadays too many of the political correspondents have big egos, and seem to delight in these stupid games. It's not as bad as in the US, but we are heading in the same direction.
If in 2015 EdM had proposed a rail fares cap then Cameron would have proposed an energy price cap.
In fact the government was already meddling in energy prices with its cut in fuel duty in 2011.
Yes, it is is either use the train to get to Manchester or stay in Manchester overnight.
Driving over Woodhead or Snake Pass on a daily basis isn't really an option for me
Any more?
You betcha.
(or Right Old Cock?)
Thatcher? No problem.
Was John Craven not part of your childhood?