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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » On the day of the C4/Sky News May/Corbyn event the Mail’s Quentin Letts tells TMay she’s a “glum bucket”

The expression on TMay's face after Quentin Letts of the Daily Mail calls her a #glumbucket pic.twitter.com/2UTqLJt9C0

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    edited May 2017
    Well she is.

    Oh and first.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    Second like Reading.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,768
    Bit hard on glumbuckets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Glumbucket? Really?

    Is that a thing?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Serious times call for serious people... And all that guff! ;)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,768
    Theresa May is the British Hillary.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Surely the correct response would have been to roar with laughter?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,206
    May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.

    She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,972
    GeoffM said:

    Glumbucket? Really?

    Is that a thing?

    It is now.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Chris said:

    Surely the correct response would have been to roar with laughter?

    Precisely. She hasn't got any 'retail', door-step, press-facing skills at all. None. Zilch. Brown was worth an Oscar compared to May's skills on this front.

    I bet Boris is sat in his den tonight thinking why the hell did I pull out of the leadership contest.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    "We are not amused."
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/timpbouverie/status/869253785922797568
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Jonathan said:

    Bit hard on glumbuckets.

    LOL
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,206
    rottenborough said:


    I bet Boris is sat in his den tonight thinking why the hell did I pull out of the leadership contest.

    I think there's a happy medium between the two, much as there is between a clown and an undertaker.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924
    But perhaps voters want a glumbucket.

    They've had plenty of BlairyMilliCleggyCammy style over substance types and shown their antipathy to them.

    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.

    Anyway have fun watching - I can't bear the thought of having to do so.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    BoJo on good form on Sky News.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    GeoffM said:

    Glumbucket? Really?

    Is that a thing?

    No, but it has just become word of the year in OED I predict!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Other than Theresa May I am not entirely sure what a glumbucket is. But Quentin is correct that she is wearing her serious face too much. Cameron had the wit and humour to lighten things up a bit. She doesn't.

    She needs a positive vision of what kind of UK she wants. Why is she doing this? Surely not just because she is a better manager than the alternative.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    "Every vote for me and my candidates..."

    Le Partie c'est moi!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    rottenborough said:


    I bet Boris is sat in his den tonight thinking why the hell did I pull out of the leadership contest.

    I think there's a happy medium between the two, much as there is between a clown and an undertaker.

    as long as it is not Leadsom.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    tlg86 said:

    BoJo on good form on Sky News.

    Ok, so he is not in his den.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well she is.

    Oh and first.

    Whats your doorstep feedback on VI this time?

    GlumBucket is much better feedback for TM than on the average Chesterfield doorstep BTW
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Chris said:

    "We are not amused."

    How long before "let them eat cake"?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well she is.

    Oh and first.

    Whats your doorstep feedback on VI this time?

    GlumBucket is much better feedback for TM than on the average Chesterfield doorstep BTW
    I've not been campaigning this time.

    Hope to do a lot of campaigning in Don Valley this week.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    It may seem an obvious point, but if May is losing voters over the course of the campaign then it is likely that she is losing voters who would never have countenanced voting for most of the other leading Conservatives. Cameron got 37% of the vote. Doubt Boris could have even got that. Leaving aside we would have had a car crash of a PMship for the last 10 monts.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    rottenborough said:

    tlg86 said:

    BoJo on good form on Sky News.

    Ok, so he is not in his den.
    I can see him, Gove and some others getting an airing from now on.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well she is.

    Oh and first.

    Whats your doorstep feedback on VI this time?

    GlumBucket is much better feedback for TM than on the average Chesterfield doorstep BTW
    I've not been campaigning this time.

    Hope to do a lot of campaigning in Don Valley this week.
    Shouldn't you be helping the Tories in winnable seats?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.

    She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.

    Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/timpbouverie/status/869253785922797568

    The Tories really need Boris out more. He reaches parts of the electorate that May can't get near.

    There is a large part of the British electorate which recognises life is just a joke. And Boris tells it rather well.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    alex. said:

    It may seem an obvious point, but if May is losing voters over the course of the campaign then it is likely that she is losing voters who would never have countenanced voting for most of the other leading Conservatives. Cameron got 37% of the vote. Doubt Boris could have even got that. Leaving aside we would have had a car crash of a PMship for the last 10 monts.

    Tories are up one compared to their position before the election was called.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    another_richard said:


    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.


    Mrs Thatcher wasn't exactly the life and sole of the party... Although she did start getting unintentionally funny towards the end when she started getting dotty and began talking about herself in the third person...

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    GIN1138 said:

    another_richard said:


    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.


    Mrs Thatcher wasn't exactly the life and sole of the party... Although she did start getting unintentionally funny towards the end when she started getting dotty and began talking about herself in the third person...

    Good old Maggie. :D
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    GIN1138 said:

    another_richard said:


    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.


    Mrs Thatcher wasn't exactly the life and sole of the party... Although she did start getting unintentionally funny towards the end when she started getting dotty and began talking about herself in the third person...

    "We have become a glum-bucket ..." :-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Ah, that makes up for all his previous actions? :p
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well she is.

    Oh and first.

    Whats your doorstep feedback on VI this time?

    GlumBucket is much better feedback for TM than on the average Chesterfield doorstep BTW
    I've not been campaigning this time.

    Hope to do a lot of campaigning in Don Valley this week.
    Shouldn't you be helping the Tories in winnable seats?
    Bolsover
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766
    another_richard said:

    But perhaps voters want a glumbucket.

    They've had plenty of BlairyMilliCleggyCammy style over substance types and shown their antipathy to them.

    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.

    Anyway have fun watching - I can't bear the thought of having to do so.

    Problem is that May gives no impression of having any substance either. She just is.

  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    Well, she is trying to win over Labour voters.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    The Good Lord will be giving his Papal address in a few moments on BBC 1.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    another_richard said:


    Things go in cycles - Major was derided in 1992 for his suburban greyness but received more votes than anyone before or since. By 1997 voters wanted a change.


    Mrs Thatcher wasn't exactly the life and sole of the party... Although she did start getting unintentionally funny towards the end when she started getting dotty and began talking about herself in the third person...

    Good old Maggie. :D
    Maggie was Competent

    TM not so much
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,486
    Hello all.

    A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.

    Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.

    I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    brokenwheel said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    Well, she is trying to win over Labour voters.
    No, she was just wittering on about Brexit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    JohnO said:

    FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.

    But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?

    I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
    Oh, during the ceasefire. That explains a lot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    bigjohnowls said:

    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
    Thank you and TSE.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
    As I say, going all over the place with no plan.

    I am being flippant, but, really, this is beginning to look an "interesting" election compared to the gentle stroll to a 100+ seat majority for May we were expecting.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Barry Gardiner absolutely trounced Karen Bradley on #C4News, she is obviously as dim as her friend May, 6.8 pence for a bloody breakfast
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
    Personally, I have always viewed having a sense of humour as a sign of a certain level of intelligence.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,486
    bigjohnowls said:

    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
    In 1994 when the IRA finally called a truce.

    How very impressive of him. Condemning bombing when the bombing has stopped.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    I once read that Thatcher sometimes didn't understand the jokes that were written for her, and suggested unfunny "improvements" to them.

    Apparently when Callaghan had been compared to Moses, someone wrote a line about "keep taking the tablets" for her. It seems she thought "keep taking the pill" would have been better. Perhaps she'd watched too many Carry On films.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    Best part of two weeks to go, and 90% of votes are still uncast.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
    As I say, going all over the place with no plan.

    I am being flippant, but, really, this is beginning to look an "interesting" election compared to the gentle stroll to a 100+ seat majority for May we were expecting.
    Corbyn copying Trump again, while May does a Hillary...
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Scott_P said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
    Was she talking about Brexit?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766
    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious

    We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
    Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,726
    Cyclefree said:

    Hello all.

    A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.

    Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.

    I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.

    For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    I do wonder whether Labour are wishing tonight that there was another month or so to go. The more we see of May etc etc...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    alex. said:

    JohnO said:

    FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.

    But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?

    I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
    Labour should send Thornberry or Ashworth, either is good with cameras, and Ashworth would be a good foil to the sisterhood.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,768
    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious

    We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!

    Apparently May is looking to reboot her campaign with help from walkers crisps and BA.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    alex. said:

    JohnO said:

    FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.

    But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?

    I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
    Yes, very much instinct this time around - so far have only delivered in Kingston and Surbiton though will be knocking up there on the day. The value of the feedback from the intensive canvassing for the locals earlier this month has clearly diminished. So I have made a caveat on my general confidence in that the campaign itself can afford no more bungling in the next two weeks.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    bigjohnowls said:

    Barry Gardiner absolutely trounced Karen Bradley on #C4News, she is obviously as dim as her friend May, 6.8 pence for a bloody breakfast

    My other half impressed by Gardiner. Next Labour leader?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
    Surely by now Labour HQ ought to be brave enough to send Corbyn somewhere that is actually marginal? Surely the candidates phoning HQ to ask for photos of Corby is a clue?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
    Personally, I have always viewed having a sense of humour as a sign of a certain level of intelligence.

    Building a winning deal from a position of relative weakness will certainly need a level of personability and persuasiveness. May's humourless inflexibility is not promising on that front.

  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    ''“It may just be that the terrible event in Manchester has done this but this seems to be quite a low-key campaign.
    “I don’t mean to be rude but you seem to be a bit of a glum bucket''
    to which the audience jeered she looked round and smiled at which point the clip conveniently stops.
    A bit thick of Letts to juxtapose the bombing with 'low key'.

    Letts does have form (lets face it reporters are always tying to sound superior) he said of Clegg (as per Huffington) he 'had the demeanor of a “spat-out Smartie”.'
    I am not quite sure what that is meant to mean but I would put May ahead.

    One thing is for sure, no surprise at the thread header. LibDems paddling like mad here.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
    Was she talking about Brexit?
    Yes. Brexit, Brexit and more Brexit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    Yet suddenly Brexit means that balancing the books is now hugely less urgent?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    70 yrs FFS
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    Yet suddenly Brexit means that balancing the books is now hugely less urgent?
    But still a priority, unlike Labour who want to add significantly to the deficit. The idea that fiscally dry voters should vote labour is ridiculous.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    bigjohnowls said:

    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    70 yrs FFS
    The fairer stat would be average % of GDP.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Nutall interview now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    TMA1 said:

    ''“It may just be that the terrible event in Manchester has done this but this seems to be quite a low-key campaign.
    “I don’t mean to be rude but you seem to be a bit of a glum bucket''
    to which the audience jeered she looked round and smiled at which point the clip conveniently stops.
    A bit thick of Letts to juxtapose the bombing with 'low key'.

    Letts does have form (lets face it reporters are always tying to sound superior) he said of Clegg (as per Huffington) he 'had the demeanor of a “spat-out Smartie”.'
    I am not quite sure what that is meant to mean but I would put May ahead.

    One thing is for sure, no surprise at the thread header. LibDems paddling like mad here.

    Letts is not really a reporter - he is a sketch-writer and humorist.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    Yet suddenly Brexit means that balancing the books is now hugely less urgent?
    Hugely less likely more like.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SouthamObserver said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
    Personally, I have always viewed having a sense of humour as a sign of a certain level of intelligence.

    Building a winning deal from a position of relative weakness will certainly need a level of personability and persuasiveness. May's humourless inflexibility is not promising on that front.

    I agree on the inflexibility, but the continentals often find British style humour mid serious business rather inappropriate.

    It is selling the carcrash to the British public that requires the emotional intelligence.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Fiscally dry voters!!

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library).

    Helped by an enormous deficit left by Labour. And doing it in cash terms over seventy years really doesn't make sense because of inflation.
    Yet suddenly Brexit means that balancing the books is now hugely less urgent?
    But still a priority, unlike Labour who want to add significantly to the deficit. The idea that fiscally dry voters should vote labour is ridiculous.
    Priority lol
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    nunu said:

    Nutall interview now.

    Has he mentioned his stint as a NASA astronaut yet?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Jonathan said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious

    We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!

    Apparently May is looking to reboot her campaign with help from walkers crisps and BA.
    We is avin a laff!!

    Pity the inevitable end result is still TMICIPM
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hello all.

    A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.

    Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.

    I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.

    For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
    That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

    Perhaps he should mention that in his Paxo interview tonight rather than squirming. Outright comdemnation for IRA violence is the only thing to stop the majority of the interview being on that subject.

    Do you have a source or link for that?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html
    Oh, during the ceasefire. That explains a lot.
    That this statement (or rather action) of the bleedin obvious is give such desperate prominence by The Independent tells us a lot about The Independent.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,854
    Chris said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    I once read that Thatcher sometimes didn't understand the jokes that were written for her, and suggested unfunny "improvements" to them.

    Apparently when Callaghan had been compared to Moses, someone wrote a line about "keep taking the tablets" for her. It seems she thought "keep taking the pill" would have been better. Perhaps she'd watched too many Carry On films.
    Her 'dead parrot' sketch was pretty excruciating but I think her delivery of 'you turn if you want to' was just about perfect, switching into a robotic cadence for 'the lady's not for turning' that emphasised the deeper meaning.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
    Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
    Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious

    We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!

    Ie someone who will cave into the EU, we don't want that either
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SandyRentool said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Barry Gardiner absolutely trounced Karen Bradley on #C4News, she is obviously as dim as her friend May, 6.8 pence for a bloody breakfast

    My other half impressed by Gardiner. Next Labour leader?

    Yeah. He is a schmoozie. Got money out of me over the phone two weeks back.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
    Surely by now Labour HQ ought to be brave enough to send Corbyn somewhere that is actually marginal? Surely the candidates phoning HQ to ask for photos of Corby is a clue?
    Perhaps they might risk him in Ealing Central and Acton or Hampstead and Kilburn?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    edited May 2017
    Stark_Dawning said:

    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I just had the misfortune of seeing The May Party's broadcast on BBC. It appeared to be targeting 5 year olds.

    https://twitter.com/h_l_thompson/status/869243614869827584
    Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
    Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
    Now what was Mr Fear just saying...
  • TMA1TMA1 Posts: 225
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jonathan said:

    Theresa May is the British Hillary.

    Indeed. And the whole Tory campaign is beginning to smell a lot like the Dem attempt at the Whitehouse. Campaigning in wards/seats that are way beyond their normal bounds. Sense of entitlement. Planning new cabinets and policies that are 'difficult to sell' before the vote. Trying not to meet any press. Relying totally on data scientists who are crunching Facebook like numbers. The list goes on.

    Meanwhile, an out-and-out loser goes all over the place, with no plan, spouting all sorts of nonsense and uncosted stuff that no pro would go near.
    The Tory campaign is actually relentlessly focused on Labour marginals they need to win and seats they need to hold from the LDs and that also dictates May's schedule, Corbyn's most recent visits have included Hull and Hackney, while Tory marginals he has visited include Harlow and Warwick and Leamington which Labour will almost certainly not win
    Surely by now Labour HQ ought to be brave enough to send Corbyn somewhere that is actually marginal? Surely the candidates phoning HQ to ask for photos of Corby is a clue?
    Are the photos of him with Gerry Adams that popular?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    rottenborough said:

    nunu said:

    Nutall interview now.

    Has he mentioned his stint as a NASA astronaut yet?
    no, just that he's planning a career as an executioner.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,533
    Jonathan said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Here's the video footage of her being called a glum bucket.

    Disappointing to see the Mayites go all Corbynista on a journalist asking a fair question

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/869219323008757761

    Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
    We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious

    We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!

    Apparently May is looking to reboot her campaign with help from walkers crisps and BA.
    This is beginning to look more like the time Coke rebranded one of their drinks. Or changed the recipe. Osborne must be drinking champagne every night of this campaign.
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