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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    edited May 2017
    May will be relieved with that - all pretty boring and much as people would expect - nothing anyone will remember.

    But good answer on social care which will have taken some heat out of the issue.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    Nothing there to scare the horses.

    Unlike Corbyn.

    Let's see if Paxo can rattle her.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,958

    May fine, not inspiring.

    Yes, a bit boring but boring is good. No gaffes so far.
    Absolutely.

    Tory voters can take boring.

    They can't take their own leader calling them Little englanders or such like.

    This is why Mrs May will get a vote share in the mid 40s...
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    MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    I may have been seeing things, but was that Corbyn sat front row on far right of screen at the end of those questions. Clapping the PM. I'm sure I was!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Brexit is going to be such a f**k up

    As we've heard, for months on end.
    Buckle up for the next few years...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,026
    She's looking to be the Prime Minister, not a relationship therapist...

    Not an abundance of charisma, but definite gravitas.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    Icarus said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Icarus said:

    Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!

    You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
    Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
    Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
    Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
    If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
    If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
    Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
    Yep, I will be voting LD.

    Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
    He has grown on me, but It is the economics that make no sense.

    The LDs have a better manifesto on domestic policy, and a good record on sound finance.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.

    People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911

    Extraordinarily inarticulate.

    Come on we have to get her out.

    Negotiate Brexit she couldnt negotiate Breakfast on that performance
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154

    Sean_F said:

    JohnO said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hello all.

    A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.

    Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.

    I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.

    For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
    That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
    1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.

    2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.

    3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)

    4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).

    5. She accepts Brexit.

    6. She's a Tory.

    A grave chart sheet, indeed.

    Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.

    She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.

    Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.

    Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.

    In a post-war provincial town a vicar and a small business owner would have been among the elite.

    A vicar would but probably not a grocer - unless it was more upmarket than what I think the Roberts family of Grantham was.

    Think of Dads Army - Thatcher's father was Hodges, May's was the vicar.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    MattyNeth said:

    I may have been seeing things, but was that Corbyn sat front row on far right of screen at the end of those questions. Clapping the PM. I'm sure I was!

    Hm, we had a similar discussion over some old photos yesterday. LOL
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,377
    That was nearly a car crash. Maybe she'll do better with Paxman.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Mortimer said:

    May fine, not inspiring.

    Yes, a bit boring but boring is good. No gaffes so far.
    Absolutely.

    Tory voters can take boring.

    They can't take their own leader calling them Little englanders or such like.

    This is why Mrs May will get a vote share in the mid 40s...
    Hillary mk2
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    Contrary to most people on here tonight, I actually think Paxo did quite well with Jezza. This could be quite a test for May. Expect a lot about Brexit.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    May really struggles with any kind of pressure, it seems. She can't get out what she wants to say. Her last answer there was awful.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Scott_P said:

    Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.

    People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins

    A good analogy
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Clearly May is not a natural performer, but she is the only one of the two fit to be PM. Corbyn has neither the brains or the gravitas. Oh, and he called the Falklands campaign a 'Tory plot'. He commemorates dead IRA terrorists, yet sneers at British Armed Forces dead. Can't wait to see the
    Sun and Mail headlines.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,043
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:

    Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.

    People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins

    "People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen"

    Do they? People watching Formula 1 hope to see that?
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    SeanT said:

    She's really quite inarticulate.

    What a choice.

    Inarticulate and dull as ditchwater. She really is BORING
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,026
    Scott_P said:

    Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.

    People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins

    Corbyn definitely crashed with the Falklands question. Wrong gear coming out the corner for May on schools question.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Icarus said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Icarus said:

    Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!

    You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
    Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
    Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
    Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
    If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
    If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
    But, we do educate and care for our people. That doesn't preclude defending them.
    Our military adventures have increased the domestic terror risk. Both Boris and David Davis have said so.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    SeanT said:

    IanB2 said:

    Brexit is going to be such a f**k up

    If Brexit is negotiated in the form of natural human interaction and a studio Q&A, and we have TMay leading the team, we Brits will end up living in caves and eating woodlice.

    On the other hand it is arguable that a boring, awkward, stubborn policy wonk like TMay might be the right person to do boring, detailed negotiations.

    I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
    She would have owned the room.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,806
    JamesM said:

    Ultimately you can tell from the 'debate' so far that the audience know only May will be PM after June 8th. She gets the tough finance questions as people know she will be making the tough decisions.

    Very apt.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    May really struggles with any kind of pressure, it seems. She can't get out what she wants to say. Her last answer there was awful.

    Suspect it's nerves. No doubt the Brexit negotiations will be conducted in front of an audience too.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    Icarus said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Icarus said:

    Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!

    You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
    Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
    Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
    Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
    If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
    If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
    Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
    Yep, I will be voting LD.

    Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
    May is making Corbyn look good.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Extraordinarily inarticulate.

    Come on we have to get her out.

    Negotiate Brexit she couldnt negotiate Breakfast on that performance

    I just can't vote for Corbyn. He told direct lies in his section.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,252
    SeanT said:

    I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.

    This was almost the same format and she did very well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRtUUdDsY
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Lol
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    It's much harder dealing with the real world than simply promising more money for every problem. The fact is we are in a difficult situation, with a £50bn deficit, low growth and an education system failing too many. Government is about making hard choices not wishful thinking.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,450
    Pulpstar said:

    She's looking to be the Prime Minister, not a relationship therapist...

    Not an abundance of charisma, but definite gravitas.

    She was good on dementia - indeed it is a good policy but demonstrates just how little the public were aware of the system as it applies today
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 914
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    Icarus said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Icarus said:

    Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!

    You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
    Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
    Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
    Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
    If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
    If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
    Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
    Yep, I will be voting LD.

    Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
    Leafletted in Hinkley today in pouring rain - buoyed by Lib Dem posters - not single one from any other party.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Cracking first question.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,150
    So, basically, Tories think she did well and non-Tories think she did badly?

    And the converse for Corbyn?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nothing inspiring I suppose though that whilst she talked sense JC will have inspired the young. The most depressing thing about this election is there is no one looking to the future, the impact of AI and other technology, the mass migration movements, climate change, population growth etc etc . One party wants to go back to the 80's the other the 50's. What about 2030 when I'm not here?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    Icarus said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    Icarus said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jason said:

    Icarus said:

    Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!

    You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
    Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
    Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
    Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
    If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
    If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
    Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
    Yep, I will be voting LD.

    Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
    Leafletted in Hinkley today in pouring rain - buoyed by Lib Dem posters - not single one from any other party.
    Loads of Lib Dem posters in Woking. Nailed on gain.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    edited May 2017
    surbiton said:

    It is noticeable; she does not answer the question.

    She rarely even gets close. I agree, I think it's very noticable.

    EDIT: Actually that's not fair, she often gets there at the end of her answers. But she always seems to start with some tangential waffle for no obvious reason.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    If it wasn't for the election, on a Monday evening we might be discussing AV but more likely wondering how Brexit will turn out. At least this contest has relieved our tedium.

    Just a thought while I wait for Mrs May to think of an answer to the question....
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261

    SeanT said:

    I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.

    This was almost the same format and she did very well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRtUUdDsY
    Maggie was in a completely different league.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    IanB2 said:

    Brexit is going to be such a f**k up

    If Brexit is negotiated in the form of natural human interaction and a studio Q&A, and we have TMay leading the team, we Brits will end up living in caves and eating woodlice.

    On the other hand it is arguable that a boring, awkward, stubborn policy wonk like TMay might be the right person to do boring, detailed negotiations.

    I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
    The manifesto carcrash suggests that she doesn't do detail well.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Ouch ouch ouch
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    Have you changed your mind?
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    She's so slow on her feet.

    So many open goals missed. I mean how hard would it have been to say:

    on WFA - the other guy earns £138k per year. I'm going to take it off him and spend it on something more useful. He's proposing that he keeps it

    or, £350m per week on the NHS - by 2022 we will be spending 350m more per week on health than we were in 2015.

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Chris said:

    So, basically, Tories think she did well and non-Tories think she did badly?

    And the converse for Corbyn?

    Pretty much. Although Corbyn came a cropper on the Falklands and May may yet have a parallel issue...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    I love reading the reactions of PBers to something I haven't seen ie Corbyn's and May's performances.

    Its a bit like deciphering an mysterious text to reveal the secret truth of what has happened.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Chris said:

    So, basically, Tories think she did well and non-Tories think she did badly?

    And the converse for Corbyn?

    Relief on both sides that their leader avoided any gaffes; disappointment the other leader did the same.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    isam said:

    "People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen"

    Do they? People watching Formula 1 hope to see that?

    Races with incident are more exciting than races without. Those are extreme examples of incident
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Paxo going for the wobble offensive
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,610
    FF43 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
    "I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies!"
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    May making Yvette Cooper look decisive
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,147
    I'm trying to validate the speculation that a big discrepancy between the weighted and unweighted figures is a predictor of polling failure.

    Unfortunately the Wikipedia entries with links to the originals only go back as far as 2010, and I've just spent hours going thry the Ipsos Mori archives before I realized they don't archive the *unweighted* numbers (or if they do, not far back enough)

    Does anybody know a polling company that archives its weighted and unweighted (raw) figures from 2015 back to 1992 or earlier?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Paxman is so miserable.

    He's insufferable.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    She's really quite inarticulate.

    What a choice.

    Inarticulate and dull as ditchwater. She really is BORING
    Boring is fine.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,610
    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    She's really quite inarticulate.

    What a choice.

    Inarticulate and dull as ditchwater. She really is BORING
    PMILF :)
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    glwglw Posts: 9,556
    DavidL said:

    It's much harder dealing with the real world than simply promising more money for every problem. The fact is we are in a difficult situation, with a £50bn deficit, low growth and an education system failing too many. Government is about making hard choices not wishful thinking.

    Exactly. Corbyn is promising things that they simply will not be able to deliver. And he is quite plainly a traitor. Not to mention a bit dim.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,778
    May opposes Brexit.

    Oh dear Tezzie - you've just lost your right flank back to the Kippers.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Chris said:

    So, basically, Tories think she did well and non-Tories think she did badly?

    And the converse for Corbyn?

    Franky I decided not to waste my time.. What did you all learn you didn't know before.. I reckon precisely sfa.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Have you changed your mind?

    No she has not. She still think Remaining is right.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    camel said:

    She's so slow on her feet.

    So many open goals missed. I mean how hard would it have been to say:

    on WFA - the other guy earns £138k per year. I'm going to take it off him and spend it on something more useful. He's proposing that he keeps it

    or, £350m per week on the NHS - by 2022 we will be spending 350m more per week on health than we were in 2015.

    Equally, Corby could have said "unlike Theresa I don't think it's a good idea to write the manifesto on my own"
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Jason said:

    Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.

    He looked relaxed and confident to me.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    FF43 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
    Exterminate?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Now that is a good question
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    May fine, not inspiring.

    Yes, a bit boring but boring is good. No gaffes so far.
    Absolutely.

    Tory voters can take boring.

    They can't take their own leader calling them Little englanders or such like.

    This is why Mrs May will get a vote share in the mid 40s...
    Hillary mk2
    Hillary had a bit more charisma, and Hillary had all that interesting *is she a juicer, is she a lesbian, is she dying of MS* tittle-tattle and gossip.

    Theresa has shoes.
    May is the provincial vicar's daughter.

    I wouldn't underestimate how much of the country would be happy with a provincial vicar's daughter in charge.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Have you changed your mind?

    No she has not. She still think Remaining is right.

    Yep - that is now completely clear.

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Err, umm..

    Definitely the wobble offensive. Strong and stable?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Ouch ouch ouch
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    WOAH....
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    Laughing is never good.

    Social Care house theft is toxic.

    YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,147

    FF43 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
    "I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies!"
    "...That politician is out there. She can’t be bargained with. She can’t be reasoned with. She doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead..."
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    isamisam Posts: 41,043
    Scott_P said:

    isam said:

    "People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen"

    Do they? People watching Formula 1 hope to see that?

    Races with incident are more exciting than races without. Those are extreme examples of incident
    Don't watch it myself but seems a very odd thing to say. Are horse races better when horses fall?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Weak and wobbly, weak and wobbly....
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107
    This programme has told me that my decision not to vote next week is the right one.

    Dreadful choice
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    NI U Turn I accept i am weak

    Collapses at the first sign of gunfire
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    OliverOliver Posts: 33
    I think she's about to malfunction.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    This programme has told me that my decision not to vote next week is the right one.

    Dreadful choice

    There are other parties. May I commend the LD manifesto?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,147
    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
    Exterminate?
    Not a robot. Famously. Think "small tank".
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    This is horrendous bloodbath
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    Some of this is bordering on painful. So limited, so slow.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    May be not.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Ha!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    Who isn't behind the sofa by now?
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107

    This programme has told me that my decision not to vote next week is the right one.

    Dreadful choice

    There are other parties. May I commend the LD manifesto?
    They are part of the dreadful choice
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,519

    Laughing is never good.

    Social Care house theft is toxic.

    YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION

    BJO as always very good to see you going in to bat for the millionaire home owners.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    edited May 2017
    The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.

    The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
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    TypoTypo Posts: 195

    This is horrendous bloodbath

    No it's not.

    The whole thing has been quite dull. It's not the best format.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    To be a fly on David Camerons wall now.
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    BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Shame she hasn't got Gove's brain.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,958
    Good on social care and immigration. Not as good on brexit as I'd have hoped, deploy the leavers in the next few days...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    SeanT said:

    jonny83 said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.

    This was almost the same format and she did very well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRtUUdDsY
    Maggie was in a completely different league.
    Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.

    She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
    She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Putting her head to the side and looking at the interviewer out of the corners of her eyes is crap body language.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,574
    I am picturing a boxer desperately looking at his second wondering how many seconds are left before the bell rings..
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    woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    uninsightful rubbish on here tonight.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    It's as has been said by some all along - May might (and should) still emerge with a larger majority than Cameron, who would not be able to appeal to, say, former UKIPers in a post Brexit vote environment, but on a purely political skills basis, he was better than her.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.

    He looked relaxed and confident to me.
    Ah, the eye of the beholder.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,610
    viewcode said:

    FF43 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.

    You can be robotic and very unsafe.
    "I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies!"
    "...That politician is out there. She can’t be bargained with. She can’t be reasoned with. She doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead..."
    Wrong franchise :lol:
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    7 years of failure!!!

    Your main task FAILED

    Non EU migrants up.

    It was your job and you failed

    FFS this woman is useless
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,778
    FF43 said:

    The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.

    The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...

    She essentially did say that!
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