I may have been seeing things, but was that Corbyn sat front row on far right of screen at the end of those questions. Clapping the PM. I'm sure I was!
Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!
You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
Yep, I will be voting LD.
Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
He has grown on me, but It is the economics that make no sense.
The LDs have a better manifesto on domestic policy, and a good record on sound finance.
Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.
People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
In a post-war provincial town a vicar and a small business owner would have been among the elite.
A vicar would but probably not a grocer - unless it was more upmarket than what I think the Roberts family of Grantham was.
Think of Dads Army - Thatcher's father was Hodges, May's was the vicar.
I may have been seeing things, but was that Corbyn sat front row on far right of screen at the end of those questions. Clapping the PM. I'm sure I was!
Hm, we had a similar discussion over some old photos yesterday. LOL
Contrary to most people on here tonight, I actually think Paxo did quite well with Jezza. This could be quite a test for May. Expect a lot about Brexit.
Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.
People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
Clearly May is not a natural performer, but she is the only one of the two fit to be PM. Corbyn has neither the brains or the gravitas. Oh, and he called the Falklands campaign a 'Tory plot'. He commemorates dead IRA terrorists, yet sneers at British Armed Forces dead. Can't wait to see the Sun and Mail headlines.
Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.
People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
"People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen"
Do they? People watching Formula 1 hope to see that?
Watching these debates is a lot like modern formula one.
People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
Corbyn definitely crashed with the Falklands question. Wrong gear coming out the corner for May on schools question.
Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!
You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
But, we do educate and care for our people. That doesn't preclude defending them.
Our military adventures have increased the domestic terror risk. Both Boris and David Davis have said so.
If Brexit is negotiated in the form of natural human interaction and a studio Q&A, and we have TMay leading the team, we Brits will end up living in caves and eating woodlice.
On the other hand it is arguable that a boring, awkward, stubborn policy wonk like TMay might be the right person to do boring, detailed negotiations.
I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
Ultimately you can tell from the 'debate' so far that the audience know only May will be PM after June 8th. She gets the tough finance questions as people know she will be making the tough decisions.
Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!
You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
Yep, I will be voting LD.
Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
It's much harder dealing with the real world than simply promising more money for every problem. The fact is we are in a difficult situation, with a £50bn deficit, low growth and an education system failing too many. Government is about making hard choices not wishful thinking.
Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!
You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
Yep, I will be voting LD.
Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
Leafletted in Hinkley today in pouring rain - buoyed by Lib Dem posters - not single one from any other party.
Nothing inspiring I suppose though that whilst she talked sense JC will have inspired the young. The most depressing thing about this election is there is no one looking to the future, the impact of AI and other technology, the mass migration movements, climate change, population growth etc etc . One party wants to go back to the 80's the other the 50's. What about 2030 when I'm not here?
Sorry thought he was excellent on the Falklands. If the Liberals were not my team (since 1964) and there was a chance for Labour in South Leicestershire I would vote Labour. May has started awfully!!
You what? Corbyn was 'excellent' on the Falklands? You're deluded!
Bear in mind that there are always 10% or so, who want Britain to be beaten by our enemies.
Killing young people of Argentina or Britain must be wrong.
Not if that is what it takes to keep people of all ages safe.
If you don't defend your citizens, what is even the point?
If you don't educate or care for your people, what is even the point?
Lol, are the Tories going to close all state schools? Will you bother voting Lib Dem on 8 June?
Yep, I will be voting LD.
Strange, because you seem quite the Corbyn fan now.
Leafletted in Hinkley today in pouring rain - buoyed by Lib Dem posters - not single one from any other party.
Loads of Lib Dem posters in Woking. Nailed on gain.
It is noticeable; she does not answer the question.
She rarely even gets close. I agree, I think it's very noticable.
EDIT: Actually that's not fair, she often gets there at the end of her answers. But she always seems to start with some tangential waffle for no obvious reason.
If it wasn't for the election, on a Monday evening we might be discussing AV but more likely wondering how Brexit will turn out. At least this contest has relieved our tedium.
Just a thought while I wait for Mrs May to think of an answer to the question....
If Brexit is negotiated in the form of natural human interaction and a studio Q&A, and we have TMay leading the team, we Brits will end up living in caves and eating woodlice.
On the other hand it is arguable that a boring, awkward, stubborn policy wonk like TMay might be the right person to do boring, detailed negotiations.
I wonder how Thatcher would have handled TV formats like this. Genuinely don't know.
The manifesto carcrash suggests that she doesn't do detail well.
I'm trying to validate the speculation that a big discrepancy between the weighted and unweighted figures is a predictor of polling failure.
Unfortunately the Wikipedia entries with links to the originals only go back as far as 2010, and I've just spent hours going thry the Ipsos Mori archives before I realized they don't archive the *unweighted* numbers (or if they do, not far back enough)
Does anybody know a polling company that archives its weighted and unweighted (raw) figures from 2015 back to 1992 or earlier?
It's much harder dealing with the real world than simply promising more money for every problem. The fact is we are in a difficult situation, with a £50bn deficit, low growth and an education system failing too many. Government is about making hard choices not wishful thinking.
Exactly. Corbyn is promising things that they simply will not be able to deliver. And he is quite plainly a traitor. Not to mention a bit dim.
Yes, a bit boring but boring is good. No gaffes so far.
Absolutely.
Tory voters can take boring.
They can't take their own leader calling them Little englanders or such like.
This is why Mrs May will get a vote share in the mid 40s...
Hillary mk2
Hillary had a bit more charisma, and Hillary had all that interesting *is she a juicer, is she a lesbian, is she dying of MS* tittle-tattle and gossip.
Theresa has shoes.
May is the provincial vicar's daughter.
I wouldn't underestimate how much of the country would be happy with a provincial vicar's daughter in charge.
Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.
You can be robotic and very unsafe.
"I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies!"
"...That politician is out there. She can’t be bargained with. She can’t be reasoned with. She doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead..."
The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
Ridiculous accent, but yes calm, lucid and quite commanding. You can see early signs of that inner steel.
She was also, ahem, not entirely unattractive. Good bone structure.
She had an upper second class mind, which is ideal for a politician. Thoughtful, able to argue her corner, ideological, without all the equivocation of a first class mind.
It's as has been said by some all along - May might (and should) still emerge with a larger majority than Cameron, who would not be able to appeal to, say, former UKIPers in a post Brexit vote environment, but on a purely political skills basis, he was better than her.
Hillary Clinton, apart from being laughed at once, dull robotic but safe.
You can be robotic and very unsafe.
"I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies!"
"...That politician is out there. She can’t be bargained with. She can’t be reasoned with. She doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead..."
The point Paxman is making about May not accepting she got it wrong about Brexit indicates she doesn't believe in it, is an interesting one.
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
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But good answer on social care which will have taken some heat out of the issue.
Unlike Corbyn.
Let's see if Paxo can rattle her.
Tory voters can take boring.
They can't take their own leader calling them Little englanders or such like.
This is why Mrs May will get a vote share in the mid 40s...
Not an abundance of charisma, but definite gravitas.
The LDs have a better manifesto on domestic policy, and a good record on sound finance.
People will watch them in the hope of seeing a giant fireball and debris scattered across the screen, but almost always they go round in circles for 2 hours and the one in front at the start wins
Negotiate Brexit she couldnt negotiate Breakfast on that performance
Think of Dads Army - Thatcher's father was Hodges, May's was the vicar.
Sun and Mail headlines.
Do they? People watching Formula 1 hope to see that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRtUUdDsY
And the converse for Corbyn?
EDIT: Actually that's not fair, she often gets there at the end of her answers. But she always seems to start with some tangential waffle for no obvious reason.
Just a thought while I wait for Mrs May to think of an answer to the question....
So many open goals missed. I mean how hard would it have been to say:
on WFA - the other guy earns £138k per year. I'm going to take it off him and spend it on something more useful. He's proposing that he keeps it
or, £350m per week on the NHS - by 2022 we will be spending 350m more per week on health than we were in 2015.
Its a bit like deciphering an mysterious text to reveal the secret truth of what has happened.
Unfortunately the Wikipedia entries with links to the originals only go back as far as 2010, and I've just spent hours going thry the Ipsos Mori archives before I realized they don't archive the *unweighted* numbers (or if they do, not far back enough)
Does anybody know a polling company that archives its weighted and unweighted (raw) figures from 2015 back to 1992 or earlier?
He's insufferable.
Oh dear Tezzie - you've just lost your right flank back to the Kippers.
I wouldn't underestimate how much of the country would be happy with a provincial vicar's daughter in charge.
Definitely the wobble offensive. Strong and stable?
Social Care house theft is toxic.
YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION
Dreadful choice
Collapses at the first sign of gunfire
The truthful answer is that May thinks Brexit is crap but she can usefully make it less crap than it would otherwise be. Of course, she can't say that ...
The whole thing has been quite dull. It's not the best format.
Your main task FAILED
Non EU migrants up.
It was your job and you failed
FFS this woman is useless