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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    10/1 est arrive monsieur
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I kept harping on about the Rust Belt Strategy but I didn't expect it to actually determine the result of the election.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited November 2016
    Disappointingly it seems the NYT Trumpodial comes to a stop at ">95%" chance of winning the presidency. Disappointing in more than one way, actually
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    Danny565 said:

    Call me crazy, but I think MI will go to Clinton by a whisker.

    Her problem is WI.

    And PA, and MN.
    MN was the only D state in '84.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited November 2016
    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump. If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).

    Imagine the bribes that would get thrown around by both sides to get electors to have a "change of conscience"....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,004
    IanB2 said:

    Call me crazy, but I think MI will go to Clinton by a whisker.

    Her problem is WI.

    Isn't WI supposed to be safer than MI?
    Where are the massive reservoirs of black voters to get Hillary out of dodge in Wisconsin ?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    DavidL said:

    Just backed Hillary at 8.8

    I think that is just denial. Trump is going to clear out the mid West. Ohio is the canary that calls this election
    There's going to be a mandatory recount in Florida, and possibly other places too.
    Only if it's less than 1%, Trump is winning Florida by 1.4%.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    IanB2 said:

    Call me crazy, but I think MI will go to Clinton by a whisker.

    Her problem is WI.

    Isn't WI supposed to be safer than MI?
    No. 12 is right http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/minnesota#president
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,154
    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    LOL - Fox quote from Clinton headquarters

    "We're expecting a long night. Nothing has ever come easy for Clinton - she's had to fight for everything her whole life"

    Doesn't sound like a winner...

    She's lawyering up.
    I'd be boarding a private et to Qatar myself.
    Haha.. There was a tin-foil hat story that the Clinton Foundation has recently transferred over a billion dollars to a Qatari bank.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    EDW20000 said:

    Hilary 10/1 by 5am

    She's 10/1 now.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    IanB2 said:

    Call me crazy, but I think MI will go to Clinton by a whisker.

    Her problem is WI.

    Isn't WI supposed to be safer than MI?
    Theoretically.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why are the polls so crap this year when they were so accurate in 2012?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Trump now at 61% on 538 after NC call.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,141
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Just amazing that we are talking about WI and MI tonight.

    We did talk about the Rust Belt Strategy quite a lot in recent weeks.
    Yeah true, but did anyone actually think it would happen? ;)
    It's not as though there weren't quite a few close polls.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,004
    Andrew said:

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump.

    If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).
    Stay long Mike Pence.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Just amazing that we are talking about WI and MI tonight.

    We did talk about the Rust Belt Strategy quite a lot in recent weeks.
    Yeah true, but did anyone actually think it would happen? ;)
    It's not as though there weren't quite a few close polls.
    I don't actually recall any polls suggesting MI and WI would be close!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    Danny565 said:

    Call me crazy, but I think MI will go to Clinton by a whisker.

    Her problem is WI.

    And PA, and MN.
    MN 42% in
    Clinton 50%
    Trump 42%
    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/minnesota

    PA 73% in
    Clinton 49%
    Trump 47%
    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/pennsylvania
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    WI is going to Trump, surely.
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    Trump looking very good for Wisconsin now
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Pulpstar said:


    Stay long Mike Pence.

    Now remembering that 538 article ages ago about Egg McMuffin becoming President .....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    Andrew said:

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump. If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).

    Imagine the bribes that would get thrown around by both sides to get electors to have a "change of conscience"....
    Or Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvalia...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Andrew said:

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump. If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).

    Imagine the bribes that would get thrown around by both sides to get electors to have a "change of conscience"....
    ME-02 has gone for Trump.
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    Beeb:

    Clinton 197
    Trump 187
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    D lead in PA back above 100k.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005

    Disappointingly it seems the NYT Trumpodial comes to a stop at ">95%" chance of winning the presidency. Disappointing in more than one way, actually

    You can look at the EV tracker which isn't capped...

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    NY Times thinks Trump is

    64% in PA
    70% in MI
    90% in WI
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    AndyJS said:

    Why are the polls so crap this year when they were so accurate in 2012?

    Because people were paying attention to the wrong demographics. Trump was going after people who aren't likely voters so don't appear in likely voter polls, and plenty of these people are registered dems.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Hameed gets his first Test runs. England 9/0

    Good turnout on PB tonight for his test debut and a bit of cricket betting.
    Is anything else happening?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,511
    edited November 2016
    Clinton Clicked through 11 to 12 on Betfair when I looked right now. Even if you believe Clinton has a way through, just wait and the price will get more attractive
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    RobD said:

    Disappointingly it seems the NYT Trumpodial comes to a stop at ">95%" chance of winning the presidency. Disappointing in more than one way, actually

    You can look at the EV tracker which isn't capped...

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
    I have an eye on that too, but it isn't cheering me up much ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,004
    Wisconsin is safer than Michigan because the reason it goes Democrat is due to alot of normally small blue counties, Michigan has Wayne County which is massively AA so Hillary still has a chance there.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    RobD said:

    NY Times thinks Trump is

    64% in PA
    70% in MI
    90% in WI

    Wisconsin looks the most likely for sure. The D lead in PA has widened out again.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    AndyJS said:

    Why are the polls so crap this year when they were so accurate in 2012?

    Because people were paying attention to the wrong demographics. Trump was going after people who aren't likely voters so don't appear in likely voter polls, and plenty of these people are registered dems.
    Yes, they were polling the wrong electorate, as was the case with Brexit.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Andrew said:

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump.

    If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).
    Stay long Mike Pence.
    Biden/Pence/Kaine.. I'm easy.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,468
    edited November 2016
    GeoffM said:

    Hameed gets his first Test runs. England 9/0

    Good turnout on PB tonight for his test debut and a bit of cricket betting.
    Is anything else happening?

    There's a supposedly intriguing contest between a certain businessman and the wife of a former president.
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    TSE mentions a mandatory recount in Florida. If that's true it's time to go back to bed as there won't be a result tonight. Is it?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,415
    rcs1000 said:

    D lead in PA back above 100k.

    I think she has got Penn. But if she loses the mid west so what?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    WI is gone. Make America great again. Good night.
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    John King on CNN is superb. Everything Jeremy Vine should be.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    :o
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    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    Yep
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Amazing night, but not quite Brexit amazing
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    RobD said:

    Disappointingly it seems the NYT Trumpodial comes to a stop at ">95%" chance of winning the presidency. Disappointing in more than one way, actually

    You can look at the EV tracker which isn't capped...

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
    I'm frustrated now as I can't find any open state markets anywhere. I think Trump will take Minnesota and possibly Oregon
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    AndyJS said:

    Why are the polls so crap this year when they were so accurate in 2012?

    Because people were paying attention to the wrong demographics. Trump was going after people who aren't likely voters so don't appear in likely voter polls, and plenty of these people are registered dems.
    Because the Media and Liberal Elite cannot ever believe that we thickies vote for a thickie. The elite, the remainers, the all white men are c*nts regime have driven normal people underground. So, polls, outside big cities, seem consistently wrong. Just a view.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    edited November 2016

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)


    I make it that Trump only needs one of PA, MI, WI or MN to win the Presidency.
    Here is a still plausible 269-269 map:

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/m0k7O

    Obviously WI and MN are inter-changeable
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    Where'd they do this?
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Pilary had better start the shredding machine
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    I'm surprised Rubio hasn't made a comeback on the Next President market.

    That's usually what happens at times like these.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    taffys said:

    Is Theresa May another winner tonight?

    There were remarks interpreted as subtle criticism during the trip to India, but by and large she has kept her own counsel on Trump. Unlike Cameron, thank God.

    First move in event of Trump victory, congratulatory phone call. Second move, put Farage in the Lords - immediately. The presence there of over a hundred LDs and practically no Ukippers is - whatever you think of the latter - an absurdity, anyway, and Trump likes him. Thirdly, arrange for the Cambridges to come calling at the White House as soon as possible after the inauguration (with an invite for him to come here on a state visit.) Fourthly, throw some extra money at the defence budget and spend it on American hardware. Fifthly, tell Liam Fox to move his office to the British Embassy in Washington.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    EDW20000 said:

    Amazing night, but not quite Brexit amazing

    I think it's actually greater, since the Exit Polls where extremely wrong, also 99% of opinion polls.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    Early returns in Utah looks like McMullin has taken votes from Clinton, Trump over 55% so far.
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    RobD said:

    Disappointingly it seems the NYT Trumpodial comes to a stop at ">95%" chance of winning the presidency. Disappointing in more than one way, actually

    You can look at the EV tracker which isn't capped...

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
    I'm frustrated now as I can't find any open state markets anywhere. I think Trump will take Minnesota and possibly Oregon
    Forget Oregon. CNN just called for Clinton
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    vikvik Posts: 157
    Wow! Trump 1.03 on Betfair

    The punters think it's all over.
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    GeoffM said:

    Hameed gets his first Test runs. England 9/0

    Good turnout on PB tonight for his test debut and a bit of cricket betting.
    Is anything else happening?

    Gareth Bale is Wales' player of the year for the sixth time. That's the thing about betting -- the good things always win. Now, what's happening in America?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    Where'd they do this?
    On their live Presidential forecast site:
    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

    Go down to the states.
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    I honestly expected a slim Hillary win before the votes came in.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Utah exit poll has Clinton winning with female voters:

    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/utah
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    Anyone any clue on turnout? (national)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Clinton out to 25. This looks over.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    CNN Current National Position

    Popular Vote Trump 49% Clinton 46.6%

    EC vote Clinton 197 Trump 187
    http://edition.cnn.com/election/results

    Right, heading to bed for a few hours I think. No winner likely before breakfast. Goodnight
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    Sandpit said:

    Early returns in Utah looks like McMullin has taken votes from Clinton, Trump over 55% so far.

    Amazing Trump Utah numbers
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,005
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    Where'd they do this?
    On their live Presidential forecast site:
    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
    By call you mean it is >95%?
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    vik said:

    Wow! Trump 1.03 on Betfair

    The punters think it's all over.

    Bugger. I cashed out at 1.12 just a few minutes ago.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    Hameed gets his first Test runs. England 9/0

    Good turnout on PB tonight for his test debut and a bit of cricket betting.
    Is anything else happening?

    There's a supposedly intriguing contest between a certain businessman and the wife of a former president.
    Cheers Sunil.
    Is it important? Would you let me know what happens please?

    [settles down to the Test match]
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,372
    Andrew said:

    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    I think I heard ME2 went for Clinton, NE3 for Trump. If Clinton holds PA+MI+NV, we're at 269-269 (assuming Arizona/Iowa go to Trump).

    Imagine the bribes that would get thrown around by both sides to get electors to have a "change of conscience"....
    Alaska is normally Republican. I think Clinton does need to win PA+MI+NV+WI, and WI is looking very dicey now.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Woah, HRC apparently didn't set foot in WI after getting the nomination....
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,036
    OK, at what time do I put a knot in it? I have work in the morning. I can stay up til 5:30 but after that i'm toast.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    vik said:

    Wow! Trump 1.03 on Betfair

    The punters think it's all over.

    Bugger. I cashed out at 1.12 just a few minutes ago.
    Me too :(
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    TSE mentions a mandatory recount in Florida. If that's true it's time to go back to bed as there won't be a result tonight. Is it?

    That applies if margin is less than 0.5%
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    CNBC thinks PA is D
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,319
    MI gap down to 0.8%
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    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    NYT CALLS THE ELECTION FOR TRUMP.

    Where'd they do this?
    On their live Presidential forecast site:
    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
    By call you mean it is >95%?
    It's on the EV now surely: I have him on 268 and he only needs 1 of the 4 rust belt states.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    AndyJS said:

    Why are the polls so crap this year when they were so accurate in 2012?

    God alone knows. All one can really say is that IIRC the final national polls showed a margin of error difference between the candidates, AND there's the matter of the electoral college to factor in. Those projections from the NY Times suggesting Clinton might actually win the popular vote and lose the presidency could very well be borne out by the end of the night.
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    CNN suggesting that the left-wing of the Democratic party will be emboldened by this defeat.

    We've heard that record before :D
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    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    Hameed gets his first Test runs. England 9/0

    Good turnout on PB tonight for his test debut and a bit of cricket betting.
    Is anything else happening?

    There's a supposedly intriguing contest between a certain businessman and the wife of a former president.
    Cheers Sunil.
    Is it important? Would you let me know what happens please?

    [settles down to the Test match]
    I aim to stay up until at least 6 am UK time :)
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Mortimer said:

    Woah, HRC apparently didn't set foot in WI after getting the nomination....

    Utterly ridiculous and unwarranted complacency from the Clinton campaign from the beginning.
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    NEW THREAD

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154
    While the Democrats are concerned that Black Lives Matter, they seem to have forgotten that White Voters Matter.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,511
    The BBC is pitiful, refusing to call Florida despite merrily reporting that almost everyone else has done so. What is the point of that?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,082
    D PA lead down to 91k
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Saltire said:

    If Clinton wins PA and MI but loses WI then it will come down to the split votes in Maine and Nebraska or indeed the elector in D.C who says he won't vote for Clinton (Assuming that Alaska does go blue)

    Washington State, not DC
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,083
    At least England seem to be batting sensibly.
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    While the Democrats are concerned that Black Lives Matter, they seem to have forgotten that White Voters Matter.

    Meanwhile white voters clearly believe Black lives don't matter....
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    My gut just told me he would Trump would do it. I've been feeling it since Brexit. Despite much commentary on why the two aren't the same, there is the same core voter overlap, the left behind. They are going to make themselves heard.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    In case of Trump victory and Republican Congress, possibility of US-UK trade deal greatly increased. Firstly, UK is single biggest foreign investor in US. Secondly, Britain deals largely in services so does not have a huge overlap with sensitive American industries that Trump appears to wish to defend. Thirdly, we can butter them up by increasing defence spending and purchasing expensive American kit.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,004
    Trump only just behind in Maine.

    Maine CD2 ??
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    What I want to know is why it takes forever to count NH?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    Trump goes ahead in PA!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Pulpstar said:

    Wisconsin is safer than Michigan because the reason it goes Democrat is due to alot of normally small blue counties, Michigan has Wayne County which is massively AA so Hillary still has a chance there.

    A lot of small blue counties are going bigly trump.
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    Whoa Pennsylvania
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,141
    RobD said:

    Chris said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Just amazing that we are talking about WI and MI tonight.

    We did talk about the Rust Belt Strategy quite a lot in recent weeks.
    Yeah true, but did anyone actually think it would happen? ;)
    It's not as though there weren't quite a few close polls.
    I don't actually recall any polls suggesting MI and WI would be close!
    On 538's lists of ten most highly weighted polls, for Michigan there's one with a Trump lead of 2, another tied, and three more with Clinton leads of 2 or less:
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/michigan/

    Admittedly Wisconsin looked a bit safer, but there were Clinton leads of 2, 3 and 4 for that state as well :
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/wisconsin/
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    So is trump winning in the upper mid west because of trade/economy or immigration?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Sandpit said:

    Trump goes ahead in PA!

    That would be my big winner.

    Would cover all my prematurely cashed out spread losses....
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Wow, HRC might come third in Utah....
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,319
    Almost all of Milwaukee still to come in WI.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    The arrogance of Clinton in summary:

    "She prepared 2 speeches tonight...because she is superstitious"

    Not because she might lose...
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2016
    Speedy said:

    EDW20000 said:

    Amazing night, but not quite Brexit amazing

    I think it's actually greater, since the Exit Polls where extremely wrong, also 99% of opinion polls.
    The polls look to have been out by about 4 points on average, although it's still early.

    4 points is not far from the average polling error in US elections - an error of that magnitude ain't unexpected.

    The polls just pointed to the *wrong* overall result, which will be their main crime.

    Having just said that, the herding in the final polls was a bit ridiculous.

    As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday morning. 538 deserve a gold coconut for their coverage/analysis.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    MikeL said:

    Almost all of Milwaukee still to come in WI.

    No? 414 of 478 precincts have reported.
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