All that bollocks about Jezza being decent honest etc etc etc. Given a bit of power, he won't give it up seemingly no matter what.
It's another misapprehension. This is the Left's first chance in a generation. He owes it to the cause to hang on and, at the very least, secure the succession for another Leftie. He's prepared for martyrdom operations in order to achieve that goal.
All that bollocks about Jezza being decent honest etc etc etc. Given a bit of power, he won't give it up seemingly no matter what.
Not really. The PLP can put up a candidate then put it to the members. Those are the Labour rules. He's the champ, if they want to challenge they need to get in the bloody ring.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
How many actual europhiles are in the Tory party, of the Soubry/Ken Clarke variety? Is it a significant enough block to make that a reality? I think if May gets PM the resulting Brexit EEA fudge (Fudgexit? Brexifudge?) should hold them together. If it's an out and out leaver then it could be a possibility?
All that bollocks about Jezza being decent honest etc etc etc. Given a bit of power, he won't give it up seemingly no matter what.
Not really. The PLP can put up a candidate then put it to the members. Those are the Labour rules. He's the champ, if they want to challenge they need to get in the bloody ring.
Not true and you know it.
The membership has been overrun by Marxist nutters, for Corbyn is the glorious deity. The only viable option is to force Jezza off the ballot by cranking up the pressure until he quits.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
Her casually sexist remarks this morning make me hope that she won't. Other than the NickXMP connection, I've never really heard of her before. Now I think she's a moron.
There are quite a few people who should be sent to a quiet room and endure a period of silence for the next few months at least and Anna Soubry is one of them.
Labour: just point and laugh. There is nothing else to do.
Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
Just plead to his sense of history. Does he really want a party - that for over a hundred years has been fighting for the working man - to effectively end on his watch? History will be brutal to him.
They have tried that Mark. Believe me, they have tried.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
Her casually sexist remarks this morning make me hope that she won't. Other than the NickXMP connection, I've never really heard of her before. Now I think she's a moron.
You're assuming that Cameron did a good job on the negotiation.
As previously posted my intelligence was that he didn't put the effort in..
My intelligence - from someone actually on the negotiating team - was the exact opposite.
It's time to grow up abut this. The limitations of the negotiation were due to the political realities. Those haven't changed. Obviously the deal we will end up will now be different, since we're leaving the EU, but the terms certainly won't be better. How could they possibly be?
Because we are leaving.
Previously it was seen as an unlikely outcome.
Now it's a question of what do they need to do to give us to keep us in the Single Market. It seems to me that a compromise on FoM is what could do it. They couldn't do that while we were still in the EU,
From the point of view of the rEU, Britain is like the key employee who demands a hefty pay rise or otherwise he will be off. So the employer makes a counter offer that this employee turns down. Everyone knows he is on the way out but he hasn't actually handed his notice in yet. The company is moving forward, making new appointments to plug the gaps etc. They don't owe him any favours and are feeling pretty sore about it all. On the other hand they don't want to antagonise him because he could cause trouble. That employee doesn't have a lot of bargaining power in this situation
Except that in this case the employee is going to set up a new business that could potentially be a significant customer for the company.
So they have an incentive to treat him reasonably.
I think they want us in the Single Market. We are a big customer. Obviously trade is more important to them; services more important to us. That is the basis for a deal.
The issue is that FoM is a red line for both sides. So you need to come up with a solution for that.
On the Labour Party travails Eagle would be bonkers to make a bid. The MP's need to keep their ground until McDonnell offers a different candidate to represent the left.....ie himself which in turn must be guaranteed by the MP's.
If McDonnell wins, he has the capacity of being a lefty Wilson; an operator and player.
Hillary needs to announce David Miliband will be in her team.
I'm sorry Pulps- but what has that got to do with the price of fish?
Well I'd like to reback him at some point in the next few months to get back the cash I'm laying him with
His odds are 7.8 at the moment :eek
How on Earth is someone who's not even an MP, 7.8 to be next leader? If Corbyn survives the weekend then it might be reasonable, but could still be 2020 before it happens - assuming the rules don't get changed in the meantime to keep the hardcore Left in charge.
Oh, and on the big issue of the day, does anyone think David Miliband is anything but a hardcore EU fan?
If Corbyn DOES survive, then David Miliband is an outside shot. If he DOES not survive, he is a nobody.
Must be ex-Rubio backers on this one.
Indeed, so why the hell the 7.8?
May was 10/1 for next leader until about 10 days ago, yet more here than just me thought she was a dead cert.
Has DM even said anything about wanting to get back in the Commons?
Corbyn should be suspended for the disgraceful scenes today. Not only his disgusting Israel comments but for the fact he stood ideally by while Momentum's Red BNP wing decided to abuse a Jewish Labour MP.
I await Nick Palmer's verdict on the situation.
I can tell you exactly what Nick will say- he didn't see it.
I can see May treating Art 50 just like Dave did with Heathrow.
Never making a decision, always delaying.
But May has promised to respect the vote. Difficult to row back from that.
I guess what she could do is: try to negotiate with Europe on Free Movement, get some emergency brake inside the EU, then return with that, and call an election. Where she would likely win.
Big Ask, tho. However the EU is freaked by our potential departure....
She could indeed do that and that is rather clever Sean.
Now – your next challenge. How do the PLP get rid of Corbyn?
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
Her casually sexist remarks this morning make me hope that she won't. Other than the NickXMP connection, I've never really heard of her before. Now I think she's a moron.
What sexist remarks?
If it was about time for the boys to stop messing about then seems fair to me! I like her bluntness and calls a brick a brick.
I can see May treating Art 50 just like Dave did with Heathrow.
Never making a decision, always delaying.
But May has promised to respect the vote. Difficult to row back from that.
I guess what she could do is: try to negotiate with Europe on Free Movement, get some emergency brake inside the EU, then return with that, and call an election. Where she would likely win.
Big Ask, tho. However the EU is freaked by our potential departure....
shes setting up a Department for Brexit with a Leaver at the helm, be difficult to row back from that I would have thought, her words this morning Brexit is Brexit, clear majority, high turnout, no wriggle room
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
we will have triggered article 50 before the next election, no labour leader will try to undo the brexit vote, it would be political suicide
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
we will have triggered article 50 before the next election, no labour leader will try to undo the brexit vote, it would be political suicide
basically this. if there is no election until 2020 and with Boris now out of the running seems unlikely article 50 wont get triggered.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Certainly the majority is way too small at the moment for secure and stable government in the present circumstances.
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The membership has been overrun by Marxist nutters, for Corbyn is the glorious deity. The only viable option is to force Jezza off the ballot by cranking up the pressure until he quits.
http://order-order.com/2016/06/30/jewish-labour-mp-abused-corbyn-anti-semitism-event/
I'm out!
I'm in....
I'm out.
I'm back in....!
They have tried that Mark. Believe me, they have tried.
So they have an incentive to treat him reasonably.
I think they want us in the Single Market. We are a big customer. Obviously trade is more important to them; services more important to us. That is the basis for a deal.
The issue is that FoM is a red line for both sides. So you need to come up with a solution for that.
May was 10/1 for next leader until about 10 days ago, yet more here than just me thought she was a dead cert.
Has DM even said anything about wanting to get back in the Commons?
The man has form.
Now – your next challenge. How do the PLP get rid of Corbyn?
Told Milne is the only one now standing between Corbyn and resignation.
Maybe he was never very happy at the Guardian.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=i+love+my+brick&view=detail&mid=E7D06124E900007CDEF5E7D06124E900007CDEF5&FORM=VIRE
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Sounds like even McDonnell has thrown in the towel. When your own press office says the game is up you are surely done for.
Told Labour press officers saying they will not work future Corbyn events.
Labour press office mutiny.
People who believe in space wizards generally not to be trusted IMHO
For all those citing Gove's comments on his not wanting to be PM, here's Mrs T in 1973.
https://t.co/PJwqZxjBsH https://t.co/6hPfW0lLvD
At Finance Bill Committee Rob Marris @WSW_Labour has just stood up and resigned as Shadow Financial Secretary to the Secretary