On the Labour Party travails Eagle would be bonkers to make a bid. The MP's need to keep their ground until McDonnell offers a different candidate to represent the left.....ie himself which in turn must be guaranteed by the MP's.
If McDonnell wins, he has the capacity of being a lefty Wilson; an operator and player.
Hillary needs to announce David Miliband will be in her team.
I'm sorry Pulps- but what has that got to do with the price of fish?
Well I'd like to reback him at some point in the next few months to get back the cash I'm laying him with
His odds are 7.8 at the moment :eek
How on Earth is someone who's not even an MP, 7.8 to be next leader? If Corbyn survives the weekend then it might be reasonable, but could still be 2020 before it happens - assuming the rules don't get changed in the meantime to keep the hardcore Left in charge.
Oh, and on the big issue of the day, does anyone think David Miliband is anything but a hardcore EU fan?
"Last Sunday, a Polish father and son lay bloodied on the floor after being attacked and told to “go back home” in Upton Park, East London"
Oh dear, not a good start for Karen Pollock of the Holocaust Educational Trust, the Police have investigated this case and dismissed it as a drunken assault, even family members of the father and son have dismissed any conection with Britex as it was between two polish men and a polish gypsy.
Britex? I'm doubly sure it was nothing to do with the urinal manufacturer!
@paulwaugh: Pro-JC Lab source: "Where Eagles Daren't...that's the movie title. Even she's not sure if she should run. Shes's a second rung Brownite"
The Labour Party is completely destroyed. They should shut up shop.
They are a hostage to the £3 and some of them seem to have Stockholm Syndrome.
Somebody needs to grow a set.
Once again for the hard of hearing: THERE IS NO MECHANISM UNDER THE RULES FOR REMOVING CORBYN
The only way is to crank up the pressure until eventually he resigns. Today would have been that day (perhaps) with his disgusting Israel comments but the Tory leadership election has taken all the oxygen from the news cycle.
Until someone can get in there and change the rules so this doesn't happen again, the PLP has no choice but to try to smoke him out.
Quick question, as I'm thinking of playing the Article 50 market.
We now know it won't be invoked in 2016 (assuming a May victory). So can we assume Q1 2017?
Possible curveball: May is not able to get it through parliament as europhile Tories rebel on a technicality (i.e. assurances from EU not good enough etc). Result: considerable delay.
Oh Anna is madder than that box of frogs (sic), loopily barking and all that, but still incomparably preferable to the Priti Patels of the party.
Agreed on Anna vs Pritti.
On the Gove is a copper bottomed shit.....I know someone whose very good friend of one of the Whitehall Manderins (one of those Oxford things...everyone knows someone)....they (he or she) said that out of all the ministers of state they worked for, Gove was the most horrible. The nicest....Alistair Darling.
According to my source, Brown would call Darling into Number 10, tell him exactly what to do in a most agitated manner. Darling would deflect in the politest possible way and leave Brown with the impression that he agreed with him. He'd then wander back to Number 11 and pretend the conversation had never happened.
Quick question, as I'm thinking of playing the Article 50 market.
We now know it won't be invoked in 2016 (assuming a May victory). So can we assume Q1 2017?
Possible curveball: May is not able to get it through parliament as europhile Tories rebel on a technicality (i.e. assurances from EU not good enough etc). Result: considerable delay.
Apparently, poor Jezza is hunkered in his room. Dianne Abbott is sat outside not letting anyone through.
Eventually his friends are going to say enough is enough to him....and try and seek some kind of deal....ie ensuring one of their kind gets on the leadership ticket.
On the Labour Party travails Eagle would be bonkers to make a bid. The MP's need to keep their ground until McDonnell offers a different candidate to represent the left.....ie himself which in turn must be guaranteed by the MP's.
If McDonnell wins, he has the capacity of being a lefty Wilson; an operator and player.
Hillary needs to announce David Miliband will be in her team.
I'm sorry Pulps- but what has that got to do with the price of fish?
Well I'd like to reback him at some point in the next few months to get back the cash I'm laying him with
His odds are 7.8 at the moment :eek
How on Earth is someone who's not even an MP, 7.8 to be next leader? If Corbyn survives the weekend then it might be reasonable, but could still be 2020 before it happens - assuming the rules don't get changed in the meantime to keep the hardcore Left in charge.
Oh, and on the big issue of the day, does anyone think David Miliband is anything but a hardcore EU fan?
If Corbyn DOES survive, then David Miliband is an outside shot. If he DOES not survive, he is a nobody.
You're assuming that Cameron did a good job on the negotiation.
As previously posted my intelligence was that he didn't put the effort in..
My intelligence - from someone actually on the negotiating team - was the exact opposite.
It's time to grow up abut this. The limitations of the negotiation were due to the political realities. Those haven't changed. Obviously the deal we will end up will now be different, since we're leaving the EU, but the terms certainly won't be better. How could they possibly be?
Yeah, like someone on the negotiating team is going to admit they monumentally fucked up...!
It was quite early on in the process. But dream on.
To be fair, when Cameron burst into the bazaar saying he desperately needed a carpet and this is how much he had to spend, they were never going to get anything other than a moth-eaten rug from out the back....
@paulwaugh: Pro-JC Lab source: "Where Eagles Daren't...that's the movie title. Even she's not sure if she should run. Shes's a second rung Brownite"
The Labour Party is completely destroyed. They should shut up shop.
They are a hostage to the £3 and some of them seem to have Stockholm Syndrome.
Somebody needs to grow a set.
Once again for the hard of hearing: THERE IS NO MECHANISM UNDER THE RULES FOR REMOVING CORBYN
The only way is to crank up the pressure until eventually he resigns. Today would have been that day (perhaps) with his disgusting Israel comments but the Tory leadership election has taken all the oxygen from the news cycle.
Until someone can get in there and change the rules so this doesn't happen again, the PLP has no choice but to try to smoke him out.
Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!"
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
George EatonVerified account @georgeeaton I'm told 4 shadow cabinet members (Clive Lewis, Cat Smith, Rachel Maskell, Andy McDonald) want Corbyn to go and have been trying to see him.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
I mooted similar earlier although you have gone further. Also remember that the far-left wing of the party are not 100% eurosceptic, there are a few europhiles in there so she might not command even that whole voting bloc.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
You're assuming that Cameron did a good job on the negotiation.
As previously posted my intelligence was that he didn't put the effort in..
My intelligence - from someone actually on the negotiating team - was the exact opposite.
It's time to grow up abut this. The limitations of the negotiation were due to the political realities. Those haven't changed. Obviously the deal we will end up will now be different, since we're leaving the EU, but the terms certainly won't be better. How could they possibly be?
Is it not worse that he did put the effort in then get virtually nothing and certainly not enough from his efforts ?
I don't buy the Charles line that if we had spent six months negotiating we would have got what we wanted. Too glib an explanation.
Those who can do, those who can't post on the internet about how much better they would have been..
Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!"
Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!"
You're assuming that Cameron did a good job on the negotiation.
As previously posted my intelligence was that he didn't put the effort in..
My intelligence - from someone actually on the negotiating team - was the exact opposite.
It's time to grow up abut this. The limitations of the negotiation were due to the political realities. Those haven't changed. Obviously the deal we will end up will now be different, since we're leaving the EU, but the terms certainly won't be better. How could they possibly be?
Is it not worse that he did put the effort in then get virtually nothing and certainly not enough from his efforts ?
I don't buy the Charles line that if we had spent six months negotiating we would have got what we wanted. Too glib an explanation.
Those who can do, those who can't post on the internet about how much better they would have been..
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
George EatonVerified account @georgeeaton I'm told 4 shadow cabinet members (Clive Lewis, Cat Smith, Rachel Maskell, Andy McDonald) want Corbyn to go and have been trying to see him.
If that is the case then he's toast. Lewis may have decided it is time put party before personal allegiance. Interesting.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
You assuming that UK politics is still Leave vs Remain. It's a mistake lots of people are making, to be sure. But we're Out. Remain is ancient history now.
As for defections, I'd have thought Labour -> Tory was the most likely. There are still a few Labour MPs who have a passing interest in government.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
I thought she could be a defector to a centrist Labour leader, as could many more if Gove gets in .
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
Labour: just point and laugh. There is nothing else to do.
Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
George EatonVerified account @georgeeaton I'm told 4 shadow cabinet members (Clive Lewis, Cat Smith, Rachel Maskell, Andy McDonald) want Corbyn to go and have been trying to see him.
If that is the case then he's toast. Lewis may have decided it is time put party before personal allegiance. Interesting.
That comment over Israel today...that could have been the tipping point you know.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
How many actual europhiles are in the Tory party, of the Soubry/Ken Clarke variety? Is it a significant enough block to make that a reality? I think if May gets PM the resulting Brexit EEA fudge (Fudgexit? Brexifudge?) should hold them together. If it's an out and out leaver then it could be a possibility?
Clearly some link, obviously views will differ on how damaging that link is.
That's rather awkward. He was one of their interns and employed interns from the same group. Hard to explain that away as a youthful indiscretion given his vote against gay marriage.
Labour: just point and laugh. There is nothing else to do.
Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
So what happens if Jezza goes and the MPs only nominate non hard lefties? The membership will go insane! I guess the emotion 'we must have a lefty candidate' that gave rise to Jezza last time has died out now. One side has to lose the civil war and the fallout is going to be bloody.
Ok, I've been in meetings since 0900 - what the bloody heck is going on in politics!??!!?!?! Boris Johnson isn't running? Well what was the blooming point of all his maneuvrring for years then?
So what happens if Jezza goes and the MPs only nominate non hard lefties? The membership will go insane! I guess the emotion 'we must have a lefty candidate' that gave rise to Jezza last time has died out now. One side has to lose the civil war and the fallout is going to be bloody.
That's it Patrick. The party will lose thousands of hard left members.
Ok, I've been in meetings since 0900 - what the bloody heck is going on in politics!??!!?!?! Boris Johnson isn't running? Well what was the blooming point of all his maneuvrring for years then?
Also turns out that he didn't make the difference for Brexit winning.... history being re-written as events develop...
Ok, I've been in meetings since 0900 - what the bloody heck is going on in politics!??!!?!?! Boris Johnson isn't running? Well what was the blooming point of all his maneuvrring for years then?
The same happened to Heseltine, Portillo and then Miliband. If you want it so much....you never get it.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
Sourby wont be defecting. She'll be a Cabinet minister by end of September.
Her casually sexist remarks this morning make me hope that she won't. Other than the NickXMP connection, I've never really heard of her before. Now I think she's a moron.
Labour: just point and laugh. There is nothing else to do.
Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
Just plead to his sense of history. Does he really want a party - that for over a hundred years has been fighting for the working man - to effectively end on his watch? History will be brutal to him.
So if May is saying Brexit means Brexit, will her majority hold? If the next few months sees a split in Labour and some Tory defections to the Lib Dems, she may need to rely on the Cobynites to govern.
May makes holding Hallam alot trickier than say a Leadsome or Fox I reckon. Not sure about any defections. Soubry probably stands down next GE if its one of the two true leavers.
Could Soubry defect to Labour if it appoints a centrist europhile leader? Broxtowe very winnable under a Labour ticket. Others like that?
How many actual europhiles are in the Tory party, of the Soubry/Ken Clarke variety? Is it a significant enough block to make that a reality? I think if May gets PM the resulting Brexit EEA fudge (Fudgexit? Brexifudge?) should hold them together. If it's an out and out leaver then it could be a possibility?
Labour: just point and laugh. There is nothing else to do.
Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
Not elect him in the first place.
Well yes but we are where we are so it's a bit rich criticising the PLP for executing the only viable strategy they have
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Oh, and on the big issue of the day, does anyone think David Miliband is anything but a hardcore EU fan?
http://www.britex.com.au
Arf!
Understand Corbyn on edge of resigning.
*cough*
+7.7 Nandy
+3.2 Watson
-8.2 D Miliband
+0.2 Benn
+10.2 McDonnell
-1.2 Jarvis
+10.1 Smith
-2.9 Eagle
+2.4 Other
+5.7 Lewis
Apparently Charlie Falconer was seen heading for his office...
Apparently, poor Jezza is hunkered in his room. Dianne Abbott is sat outside not letting anyone through.
Eventually his friends are going to say enough is enough to him....and try and seek some kind of deal....ie ensuring one of their kind gets on the leadership ticket.
Must be ex-Rubio backers on this one.
@georgeeaton
I'm told 4 shadow cabinet members (Clive Lewis, Cat Smith, Rachel Maskell, Andy McDonald) want Corbyn to go and have been trying to see him.
What's this stuff about him once supporting *curing gays* ? That sounds absurd, but we're off the nonsense scale now.
Clearly some link, obviously views will differ on how damaging that link is.
If that is the case then he's toast. Lewis may have decided it is time put party before personal allegiance. Interesting.
As for defections, I'd have thought Labour -> Tory was the most likely. There are still a few Labour MPs who have a passing interest in government.
(well, someone had to...)
I'm afraid his God bothering disqualifies him from further consideration. We have had enough messianic figures in British politics.
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
Understand Corbyn on edge of resigning.
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Fine and I can see why you say that, but what would your strategy be for removing Corbyn? I'm all ears (genuinely – the PLP read this blog and will be keen to hear any good ideas too!!!)
Any news on Batley and Spen?
Oh god, yes please avoid. No more bible bashers.
Oh well, more grist to the mill.
Was on twitter feed somewhere Hodges or Eaton, something like that
Yes 2.82
No 1.43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRyL8XwiF-Y
Its the Chilcott report stupid!
Corbyn is waiting for next Wednesday so the left can apply a lefy hook to the Blairites.
Another bloody day of vitriol awaits.
http://order-order.com/2016/06/30/jewish-labour-mp-abused-corbyn-anti-semitism-event/
Read it and weep
Which is exactly what the PLP wants to happen.
Never making a decision, always delaying.
http://iaindale.com/posts/2016/06/29/conservative-leadership-runners-riders-andrea-leadsom
I was saying this earlier – this year looks too soon as May has already said it won't be before the end of the year.