Hunchman, I told you the other night to stop talking about Finchley Road, your posts are going to get Mike into trouble.
That instruction is still in force.
I'm happy for any of the companies to take me to court that I am alleging of fraud, theft and money laundering. They won't because my sources and myself have access to forensic documents that would hold up in a court of law. So the risk is with me, not with Mike thank you very much. And it is a risk that I'm delighted to take in order to get the vile corrupt $cum exposed over this with all the damage that they are doing to millions and millions of peoples innocent lives, not just in the UK but around the world.
Nope, they'll go after Mike.
If you want to discuss it, it won't be on PB.
I'm responsible for what I write. You can look at the allegations backed up with hard forensic evidence over the internet and you can also check that none of us are being brought to the courts to defend ourselves. I would suggest that is because those we are accusing are now wetting their panties in a state of panic over this getting into the mainstream. And when it does get into the mainstream, which is a matter of time, but not it, don't say I didn't tell you so.
Come on Hunchman be sensible. TSE is bending over backwards not to ban you and is showing a lot more tolerance than many moderators would do on other sites.
The bottom line is you could have the most copper bottomed, best case in the world for your claims and Mike still couldn't afford to have them published here because he simply can't afford to be dragged through the courts. None of us could afford that in his position. So if you want to have your claims out there then you really need to do what has already been suggested and have your own site. That way the only person you are risking is yourself. It is simply not fair to load this onto Mike.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. -
No-one in England likes her, and nor do they like hearing a Scottish accent telling them what to do. Don't shoot me: I'm not saying that's good, it's just the case. She is pretty much loathed south of the border.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
Tin foil on standby
I know, but how does she go from writing very pro-Leave articles to spouting Remain's tag lines on Twitter, inside three days?
If it was planned, do you think she would have actually done that?
A wierd one. She's managed a defection in such a way that she just looks silly and hypocritical. Why would someone change their mind on a referendum question based on a falling out with the campaign? If anyone from Remain tries to quote her, there's plenty of other quotes from her on the other side to come back, don't understand what she's up to.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
Tin foil on standby
I know, but how does she go from writing very pro-Leave articles to spouting Remain's tag lines on Twitter, inside three days?
If it was planned, do you think she would have actually done that?
A wierd one. She's managed a defection in such a way that she just looks silly and hypocritical. Why would someone change their mind on a referendum question based on a falling out with the campaign? If anyone from Remain tries to quote her, there's plenty of other quotes from her on the other side to come back, don't understand what she's up to.
She changed her mind? She doesn't seem like the kind of person who would care if the Remain campaign could user her quotes or not.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
You watch BBC and Sky play it every half hour, all day tomorrow, and then say you have never heard of her. This is going to dominate the news tomorrow culminating with the ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris. You will have heard about her then
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. -
No-one in England likes her, and nor do they like hearing a Scottish accent telling them what to do. Don't shoot me: I'm not saying that's good, it's just the case. She is pretty much loathed south of the border.
I am married to a Scot for 52 years and making crass observations about accent is just silly. You will be surprised how many on the left like her and it is the left voters turning out that will see remain win. This is a dangerous debate for Boris being the only male on the panel
It's unbelievable that so many are saying on here that they've never heard of Dr Wollaston - Chairman of the Health Select Committee- at a time when there's been unprecedented political health news because of the government's running down of the NHS. They can't take much of an interest in politics then.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
You watch BBC and Sky play it every half hour, all day tomorrow, and then say you have never heard of her. This is going to dominate the news tomorrow culminating with the ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris. You will have heard about her then
Nah. She's a nobody. Never ever heard of her. It's not news. Nor is Lord Bamford.
It's unbelievable that so many are saying on here that they've never heard of Dr Wollaston - Chairman of the Health Select Committee- at a time when there's been unprecedented political health news because of the government's running down of the NHS. They can't take much of an interest in politics then.
I think some have heard of her but are trying to say in their own way she is a nobody to try to diminish the impact of her defection
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Nah, just expect hear the words Tory, Tory, Tory and Austerity with a Glasgow accent from Sturgeon as we go through the usual SNP tribal bingo card attacking the Conservatives. Anyone else remember a political campaign where there were so many reluctant political bedfellows in both camps more keen on attacking each other than their opponents?
Really good article from Kate Hoey on why the working class left should vote to Leave, and the disconnect between the middle class Labour elite and their traditional support.
Really good article from Kate Hoey on why the working class left should vote to Leave, and the disconnect between the middle class Labour elite and their traditional support.
Do you really think normal people outside of Westminster and a selection of pb forum members have the faintest clue that there's something called a Health Select Committee? Seriously?
And to whoever posted about the billions going out of the UK, that kind of argument means nothing to anyone ordinary. We kind of know that billionaires and corporations move money around.
What matters is what's on our doorstep, how things affect us here locally. Will our mortgage go up? Will crime rise with more migrants? Will they nick our jobs?
Don't shoot me, I'm just saying what people think.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
You watch BBC and Sky play it every half hour, all day tomorrow, and then say you have never heard of her. This is going to dominate the news tomorrow culminating with the ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris. You will have heard about her then
Nah. She's a nobody. Never ever heard of her. It's not news. Nor is Lord Bamford.
And no-one watches Sky News I'm afraid.
Well they do watch one of BBC, Sky, ITV news for their news and it will be on all day tomorrow and then tomorrows big debate will be featured across the news channels all friday. You may want to be in denial the Country will be well aware of who she is by tomorrow evening
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
And despite some north Welsh protestations to the contrary on here, much of England - the southern half at least - can't abide the woman. That was made pretty clear in the lead-up to, and in the result of, last year's GE.
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
You watch BBC and Sky play it every half hour, all day tomorrow, and then say you have never heard of her. This is going to dominate the news tomorrow culminating with the ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris. You will have heard about her then
Nah. She's a nobody. Never ever heard of her. It's not news. Nor is Lord Bamford.
And no-one watches Sky News I'm afraid.
Well they do watch one of BBC, Sky, ITV news for their news and it will be on all day tomorrow and then tomorrows big debate will be featured across the news channels all friday. You may want to be in denial the Country will be well aware of who she is by tomorrow evening
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Do you really think normal people outside of Westminster and a selection of pb forum members have the faintest clue that there's something called a Health Select Committee? Seriously?
And to whoever posted about the billions going out of the UK, that kind of argument means nothing to anyone ordinary. We kind of know that billionaires and corporations move money around.
What matters is what's on our doorstep, how things affect us here locally. Will our mortgage go up? Will crime rise with more migrants? Will they nick our jobs?
Don't shoot me, I'm just saying what people think.
Most people don't know who's in the cabinet either. I don't think the Wollaston defection will have a massive impact, but knowing who she is beforehand is not what may make it significant, if it is to be so. It will be if her reasoning strikes a chord, which is then backed up by how she is introduced into their consciousness, as not a party hack and in a prominent position. If the argument doesn't hit home, it won't matter who she is or if she is known.
And it might be in the day afters papers, we'll see. That would indicate I think it has hit home. If it doesn't last the day, it flopped. But her lack of renown hardly matters either way. You think Normal people know Kate hoey, Dominic raab, even fallon, Javid etc?
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
You watch BBC and Sky play it every half hour, all day tomorrow, and then say you have never heard of her. This is going to dominate the news tomorrow culminating with the ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris. You will have heard about her then
Nah. She's a nobody. Never ever heard of her. It's not news. Nor is Lord Bamford.
And no-one watches Sky News I'm afraid.
Well they do watch one of BBC, Sky, ITV news for their news and it will be on all day tomorrow and then tomorrows big debate will be featured across the news channels all friday. You may want to be in denial the Country will be well aware of who she is by tomorrow evening
It was only featuring on the media from about 11.00 and was too late for the front pages many of whom are Brexit anyway. It is the broadcast media tomorrow that will put it front and centre of the news. As for John Knott in news terms a non story
It's unbelievable that so many are saying on here that they've never heard of Dr Wollaston - Chairman of the Health Select Committee- at a time when there's been unprecedented political health news because of the government's running down of the NHS. They can't take much of an interest in politics then.
PB is hardly reflective of mainstream society, hence the lack of wider awareness, and some come here for gambling so may not follow everything.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
You really are in denial. Any way time to go to sleep. Lets see what happens tomorrow. If you are right it will be a non story and no one will watch the two hour ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris tomorrow.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
Didn't Labour (and UKIP) lose a huge number of votes to the Tories after Sturgeon's and Salmond's campaigning in the General Election? All because of their screw England attitude.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
You really are in denial. Any way time to go to sleep. Lets see what happens tomorrow. If you are right it will be a non story and no one will watch the two hour ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris tomorrow.
Like I Said,the TV news media are slanted towards remain,of course her defection will be used.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
I think that would be a hotly disputed question for another day. But much as I dislike Alex Salmond, I would say that his record of success as both an SNP politician and Leader far outstrips that of his immediate successor. It may have been Alex Salmond as SNP Leader and FM who fell on his sword and resigned when the SNP failed to win the Indy Ref, it was in fact Nicola Sturgeon who ran the SNP Government's Indy campaign.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
You really are in denial. Any way time to go to sleep. Lets see what happens tomorrow. If you are right it will be a non story and no one will watch the two hour ITV debate with Sturgeon v Boris tomorrow.
Like I Said,the TV news media are slanted towards remain,of course her defection will be used.
The public have never bought that the money would be spent on the NHS anyway. They do know we pay in what sounds a lot though whilst Cameron and Osborne are heading a government pushing cuts.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
I think that would be a hotly disputed question for another day. But much as I dislike Alex Salmond, I would say that his record of success as both an SNP politician and Leader far outstrips that of his immediate successor. It may have been Alex Salmond as SNP Leader and FM who fell on his sword and resigned when the SNP failed to win the Indy Ref, it was in fact Nicola Sturgeon who ran the SNP Government's Indy campaign.
As I am married to a Lossiemouth quine for the last 52 years and lived in Edinburgh in the sixties I am interested in Scots politics but Alex Salmond was just annoying and Nicola is much better though I do not agree with her politics. I thought you might even suggest Ruth Davidson but maybe she is a rising star
What about doing a header on switching sides and how low of a opinion people have of you ?
With rare exceptions I think that nearly everyone welcomes switchers if they're the recipients. Boris was terribly unpopular here with Leavers until he came out for Leave, and then suddenly he was a good egg.
But they're rare in mid-campaign, which is why Sarah W is striking. It'll be interesting to see her reasons.
What about doing a header on switching sides and how low of a opinion people have of you ?
With rare exceptions I think that nearly everyone welcomes switchers if they're the recipients. Boris was terribly unpopular here with Leavers until he came out for Leave, and then suddenly he was a good egg.
But they're rare in mid-campaign, which is why Sarah W is striking. It'll be interesting to see her reasons.
There's all sorts of rumours of people changing sides, though so far only this one. The only reasons I've heard were as justified a month ago as today.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
I think that would be a hotly disputed question for another day. But much as I dislike Alex Salmond, I would say that his record of success as both an SNP politician and Leader far outstrips that of his immediate successor. It may have been Alex Salmond as SNP Leader and FM who fell on his sword and resigned when the SNP failed to win the Indy Ref, it was in fact Nicola Sturgeon who ran the SNP Government's Indy campaign.
As I am married to a Lossiemouth quine for the last 52 years and lived in Edinburgh in the sixties I am interested in Scots politics but Alex Salmond was just annoying and Nicola is much better though I do not agree with her politics. I thought you might even suggest Ruth Davidson but maybe she is a rising star
I would personally have chosen Ruth Davidson, but I preferred to actually back up my point about Sturgeon being over rated with some relevant points instead.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
I think that would be a hotly disputed question for another day. But much as I dislike Alex Salmond, I would say that his record of success as both an SNP politician and Leader far outstrips that of his immediate successor. It may have been Alex Salmond as SNP Leader and FM who fell on his sword and resigned when the SNP failed to win the Indy Ref, it was in fact Nicola Sturgeon who ran the SNP Government's Indy campaign.
As I am married to a Lossiemouth quine for the last 52 years and lived in Edinburgh in the sixties I am interested in Scots politics but Alex Salmond was just annoying and Nicola is much better though I do not agree with her politics. I thought you might even suggest Ruth Davidson but maybe she is a rising star
I would personally have chosen Ruth Davidson, but I preferred to actually back up my point about Sturgeon being over rated with some relevant points instead.
Thanks for that and appreciate your comments - have a good night
What about doing a header on switching sides and how low of a opinion people have of you ?
With rare exceptions I think that nearly everyone welcomes switchers if they're the recipients. Boris was terribly unpopular here with Leavers until he came out for Leave, and then suddenly he was a good egg.
But they're rare in mid-campaign, which is why Sarah W is striking. It'll be interesting to see her reasons.
What do you think of what Kate Hoey has said about you middle-class labour type ?
Post down thread if you haven't seen it,she's right isn't she.
Are you going to watch the two hour debate on ITV tomorrow with Sturgeon v Boris. See Boris and leave defend themselves against Nicola armed with Sarah's resignation
Hopefully, Remain will keep reminding people that billions of pounds is being siphoned out of the UK. Billions and billions - that could be spent in Britain.
And someone like Sturgeon saying something about Little England would be the icing and the cherry on top.
Your help is much appreciated.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Trust me, Nicola Sturgeon isn't the most accomplished politician in the UK, but rather the most over rated. You should follow her weekly performance at First Ministers Questions, she really isn't that good.
A fair question then, who is the most accomplished (and recognised) UK politician
I think that would be a hotly disputed question for another day. But much as I dislike Alex Salmond, I would say that his record of success as both an SNP politician and Leader far outstrips that of his immediate successor. It may have been Alex Salmond as SNP Leader and FM who fell on his sword and resigned when the SNP failed to win the Indy Ref, it was in fact Nicola Sturgeon who ran the SNP Government's Indy campaign.
As I am married to a Lossiemouth quine for the last 52 years and lived in Edinburgh in the sixties I am interested in Scots politics but Alex Salmond was just annoying and Nicola is much better though I do not agree with her politics. I thought you might even suggest Ruth Davidson but maybe she is a rising star
I would personally have chosen Ruth Davidson, but I preferred to actually back up my point about Sturgeon being over rated with some relevant points instead.
Thanks for that and appreciate your comments - have a good night
What about doing a header on switching sides and how low of a opinion people have of you ?
With rare exceptions I think that nearly everyone welcomes switchers if they're the recipients. Boris was terribly unpopular here with Leavers until he came out for Leave, and then suddenly he was a good egg.
But they're rare in mid-campaign, which is why Sarah W is striking. It'll be interesting to see her reasons.
What do you think of what Kate Hoey has said about you middle-class labour type ?
Post down thread if you haven't seen it,she's right isn't she.
She is. It's also much of the right wing case for Brexit as well.
Do you really think Nicola is going to blow this opportunity. She is the most accomplished politician in the UK. - anyway you will no doubt watch it yourself and see how Boris deals with her and Marie Eagle and Amber Rudd. Up against three ladies is usually a Boris specialility but this will be something very different. Lets see what happens
Starting to look horribly stage managed, almost as if it were planned for her to flip flop two weeks before the vote.
I've never heard of her. The Times leader is all about the billionaire boss of JCB coming out for Brexit.
To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
Not really sure why the Times are suddenly running with the JCB story now. Bamford has been solidly for Leave since long before the campaign started.
The Times is trying to work out in its own head which way to jump.
It used to be slam-dunk for LEAVE and printed lots of "Euroseptics slam..." headlines. The day the "Brexit kills pensions" story came out, the Times dead-dogged it by dong the EU Army headline, and Bruno Waterfield is pretty sceptic. But the business pages have been pretty REMAIN, sometimes solidly so. So it's conflicted. I assume it'll go LEAVE eventually. But until then, it's going to oscillate a bit
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Agreed mostly, but the leaflet business did leave a sour taste.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
Any leavers need help to get out the postal vote? Happy to help in London, mainly central and north west London don't really venture to the wasteland of south London.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
Nicola Sturgeon is a person who has spent her political life arguing that Scotland should be independent. How on earth can she then stand up and suggest the UK should not?
Quite.
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
You really are in denial. Any way time to go to sleep. Lets see what happens tomorrow. If you are right it will be a non story .
And fwiw, Nicola Sturgeon helped lose the last election for Labour. Her pitiful pleading live on television with EdM was fantastically ill-judged. There was no way he was going to say live that he would do a pact with the Scot Nats. So she managed to raise the issue without getting the result thus alienating English voters further. Bravo.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Agreed mostly, but the leaflet business did leave a sour taste.
Leaflet?
What about the Scottish Government's 650 pageScotland's Future?
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Agreed mostly, but the leaflet business did leave a sour taste.
Leaflet?
What about the Scottish Government's 650 pageScotland's Future?
Blimey, have voters actually finished reading it yet?
Speaking for Britain's Future, but not allowing people to vote for it.....
Dear Carlotta,
The Government has extended the deadline to apply to vote in the EU referendum.
They've just told the House of Commons that their website crashed last night because of the high demand – but we know that the Government and their allies are trying to register as many likely Remain voters as possible.
That's why it's vital that we use this opportunity to make sure every likely Leave voter is registered too.
Even worse, we know that European Union citizens who have no legal right to vote have been given the right to vote and have already voted. This is illegal but the Electoral Commission and the Government are doing nothing about it.
Tin foil shortage......
If people are breaking the law, report it to the police.....
Speaking for Britain's Future, but not allowing people to vote for it.....
Dear Carlotta,
The Government has extended the deadline to apply to vote in the EU referendum.
They've just told the House of Commons that their website crashed last night because of the high demand – but we know that the Government and their allies are trying to register as many likely Remain voters as possible.
That's why it's vital that we use this opportunity to make sure every likely Leave voter is registered too.
Even worse, we know that European Union citizens who have no legal right to vote have been given the right to vote and have already voted. This is illegal but the Electoral Commission and the Government are doing nothing about it.
Tin foil shortage......
If people are breaking the law, report it to the police.....
That is quite something given their recent "register to vote" link on their website not actually linking to the official site.
I hope you've diversified your popcorn-heavy portfolio...
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
No, to both the Tories having peaked in Scotland, or to an end to SLab decline. The Unions in Scotland like much of the Scottish media, both formerly big supporters of SLab, have now become quite brutal in their distancing from SLab to either sit on the fence or support the SNP.
I followed the Named Person debate in Holyrood the afternoon, and it was incredible to finally see such a feisty, and on the part of the SNP and other opposition parties, consistently tribal attack on the Scottish Conservatives for their stance on the Named Person scheme. All the parties apart from the Scottish Conservatives voted it through without any real scrutiny, criticisms or concerns. But rather than discuss these now very vocal concerns raised by parents and professionals. All the other parties focussed their attacks on the Scottish Conservatives and the media for their representation of their genuine concerns rather than the lack of safe guards, infrastructure or oversight of this very toxic scheme they all nodded through.
But two things have become very clear today, the SNP finally have finally met their match in this very strong and robust new main Opposition which they are finding very difficult to rebut. And the much diminished SLab and Libdems parties are now more worried that this resurgent Scottish Conservative party who successfully moved onto their turf in the Holyrood elections. But while all the parties of the left focus their guns on the Scottish Conservatives, they are not raising, focusing on and positioning themselves with the voters on the issues that matter to them. Even now, both SLab and Libdems have failed to grasp that the Scottish Conservatives very successfully campaigned on being a strong opposition towards this dominant SNP Government pushing through unpopular and illiberal laws.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Agreed mostly, but the leaflet business did leave a sour taste.
Leaflet?
What about the Scottish Government's 650 pageScotland's Future?
Blimey, have voters actually finished reading it yet?
I think there was one.....but I hear its very handy as a door stop.....to paraphrase Dorothy Parker....'it should not be tossed aside lightly, but thrown with great force....
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Do you think tories have peaked in Scotlad or could go further. Are SLab in terminal decline? Surely the unions will keep labour alive in scotland.
Unfortunately, there was never going to be any doubt that it would get through with the SNP, Greens, and Libdems still backing it without any pause to address genuine concerns. And while SLab now sit on the fence wringing their hands still supporting it, but now complaining voters have not been persuaded, never mind properly notified two years after they voted the law through!
As a parent, I find it utterly incredible that this scheme has got as far as the implementation stage without proper safe guards, infrastructure or proper Government oversight. The steering Committee that was to oversee the Named Person scheme was summarily dismissed after their last meeting saw Police Scotland raise concerns. Absolutely no way would this illiberal legislation based on 'well being' have ever got through the Westminster in its current form.
And just think what impact it could have on the formerly trusting relationship that parents have had with their Health Visitors and teachers in their children's schools.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
Agreed mostly, but the leaflet business did leave a sour taste.
You got the leaflets, but we had the infamous SNP White paper with among other things, that now mythical Oil&Gas revenue forecast.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
We are still trying to get our heads round the fragrant Nicola shouting for Scottish independence while criticising her nearest neighbour for wanting the same.
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
We are still trying to get our heads round the fragrant Nicola shouting for Scottish independence while criticising her nearest neighbour for wanting the same.
MegaMchipocrosy#
Hi Moses, I think it must be nearly a decade ago that I first raised the issue of the SNPs entirely hypocritical stance on maintaining membership of the EU while demanding Independence from the UK. If anything, their position has certainly helped me come around to the far more consistent view that that we are better off in the UK and the EU despite being a Eurosceptic with serious concerns about EU in its current form.
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Thanks! Cam could just repeal the HoL Act 1999. That'd certainly introduce a few more Tory peers
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Thanks! Cam could just repeal the HoL Act 1999. That'd certainly introduce a few more Tory peers
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
There have been very few non-political appointees recently.
I think there were just four appointed by the Independent commission charged with finding non-political appointees last year (and that was after a two year gap).
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Thanks! Cam could just repeal the HoL Act 1999. That'd certainly introduce a few more Tory peers
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
There have been very few non-political appointees recently.
I think there were just four appointed by the Independent commission charged with finding non-political appointees last year (and that was after a two year gap).
That's very disappointing, although does that count Conservative/Labour peers from industry, as opposed to Crossbench appointees? Gosh, this was much easier when the whole thing was hereditary
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Thanks! Cam could just repeal the HoL Act 1999. That'd certainly introduce a few more Tory peers
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
There have been very few non-political appointees recently.
I think there were just four appointed by the Independent commission charged with finding non-political appointees last year (and that was after a two year gap).
That's very disappointing, although does that count Conservative/Labour peers from industry, as opposed to Crossbench appointees? Gosh, this was much easier when the whole thing was hereditary
No - the four were completely non-Party.
Obviously the Party ones do include lots of people with industry / other experience.
Sarah Wollaston is lead story on BBC News website - very likely she is going to be lead story on all BBC TV and radio breakfast bulletins - and fair chance she will still be lead at lunchtime.
Have you updated PB on the composition of the House of Peers recently? LD attrition still underway one hopes (RIP).
Attrition has been more even in the last couple of months.
Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
Thanks! Cam could just repeal the HoL Act 1999. That'd certainly introduce a few more Tory peers
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
There have been very few non-political appointees recently.
I think there were just four appointed by the Independent commission charged with finding non-political appointees last year (and that was after a two year gap).
That's very disappointing, although does that count Conservative/Labour peers from industry, as opposed to Crossbench appointees? Gosh, this was much easier when the whole thing was hereditary
No - the four were completely non-Party.
Obviously the Party ones do include lots of people with industry / other experience.
To change the subject completely, I don't think I've been on enough to know which way you are leaning at the coming vote? To me, Leave offers a very romantic opportunity, heart vs. head and all that. Thinking I may just abstain, especially as I have not been a resident these past few years. How about you?
In a campaign littered with lies, exaggeration and hyperbole from both sides I doubt Sarah Woollacote's defection will scratch the surface of most people's consciousness. And, pace Nick P, it happens all the time: usually to calculated effect.
Today's fronts are very bad again for Cameron. The Sun is having a field day with the immigration issue which I continue to maintain will be highly significant.
I've heard too many sotto voce expressions of concern about losing jobs to migrants to think this is a non-topic. Shy Leave may win it.
'It’s all gone a bit Pete Tong for the PM. It turns out lining up every global leader, trade envoy and financier from Canary Wharf to Chongqing to warn the serfs to vote Remain on threat of nuclear apocalypse wasn’t actually the best idea. Who’d have thought it? People voting in a referendum on global elites don’t want to listen to those same global elites telling them which way to vote. How very bizarre!
Luckily for the Leave camp, master political strategist David Cameron is so comprehensively divorced from any semblance of normality that he doesn’t realise this, and will continue treating the British people like benighted little peasants who need to sit down and listen to what the clever dignitaries and technocrats tell them. In fact, unwittingly, the red-faced ex-Buller boy is one of the Leave campaign’s single biggest assets.'
I still find it incredible that the Leave side can even claim, never mind criticise the Government for taking such a long running strong and clear position having delivered our first EU Referendum in forty years?! Can you imagine just how ridiculous it would have been for the Better Together campaign to demand that their most powerful opponent, the SNP Government at Holyrood who had sought the Independence Referendum should then sit on their hands as silent bystanders through out the campaign?! Talk about losing the plot on this issue.
We are still trying to get our heads round the fragrant Nicola shouting for Scottish independence while criticising her nearest neighbour for wanting the same.
MegaMchipocrosy#
we are better off in the UK and the EU despite being a Eurosceptic with serious concerns about EU in its current form.
'It’s all gone a bit Pete Tong for the PM. It turns out lining up every global leader, trade envoy and financier from Canary Wharf to Chongqing to warn the serfs to vote Remain on threat of nuclear apocalypse wasn’t actually the best idea. Who’d have thought it? People voting in a referendum on global elites don’t want to listen to those same global elites telling them which way to vote. How very bizarre!
Luckily for the Leave camp, master political strategist David Cameron is so comprehensively divorced from any semblance of normality that he doesn’t realise this, and will continue treating the British people like benighted little peasants who need to sit down and listen to what the clever dignitaries and technocrats tell them. In fact, unwittingly, the red-faced ex-Buller boy is one of the Leave campaign’s single biggest assets.'
Credit where credit is due. Simon Carr is always a good read on the Wed morning (for me) commute.
To change the subject completely, I don't think I've been on enough to know which way you are leaning at the coming vote? To me, Leave offers a very romantic opportunity, heart vs. head and all that. Thinking I may just abstain, especially as I have not been a resident these past few years. How about you?
I'm a floating voter - but leaning Remain.
I started off 75:25 Remain but then as campaign progressed I moved towards Leave - by last Saturday I was very nearly 50:50. But since Sunday I've swung back to Remain - now approx 65:35.
Sunday was also the day I thought the Leave momentum stalled. The killer moments for me were the Major interview and the ORB poll showing Remain was miles ahead (approx 65-25 from memory) on the Wisdom Index - ie 65% think Remain will win.
That moment reinforced to me the thought that many people who want to vote Leave (and think they will) won't go through with it on the day. So I think it's shaping it for a carbon copy of 2014 Indy Ref and 2015 GE - people bottling it and going safe option at the crunch.
But no doubt Remain had a very big wobble indeed - they looked in big trouble at end of last week post Gove on Sky. But Major then steadied it at key moment and now they are going on the attack with the line "Leave = Farage" - unfair maybe - but will be effective.
It's amazing how under-rated Major is - he singlehandedly saved Cameron in 2007 when he went on the news to destroy Brown for going to Afghanistan during Con conference. That directly stopped Brown calling a GE and meant Cameron lived to fight another day - and ultimately then became PM. Now he has intervened again at the absolutely crucial moment to save Cameron again.
If we do vote REMAIN, the biggest losers will be the dead tree press, then Boris.......no more invites to Number 10, or anywhere very much....just Employment Tribunals and the Insolvency Courts to look forward to.......
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To be honest I don't think these kind of switches from nobodies will make one iota of difference.
Nicola Sturgeon is not at all popular south of the border so this will backfire horribly for Remain.
The bottom line is you could have the most copper bottomed, best case in the world for your claims and Mike still couldn't afford to have them published here because he simply can't afford to be dragged through the courts. None of us could afford that in his position. So if you want to have your claims out there then you really need to do what has already been suggested and have your own site. That way the only person you are risking is yourself. It is simply not fair to load this onto Mike.
We're all going to be so miserable when it is over.
Sturgeon could be the Leave campaign's secret weapon if she gets the tone wrong and forgets that 90% of the audience are not Scottish.
And no-one watches Sky News I'm afraid.
@MichaelPDeacon Westminster rumours that Jeremy Corbyn is to defect to remain
http://heatst.com/uk/kate-hoey-the-left-wing-case-for-brexit/
People assume that the Left supports the EU.
It doesn’t.
The middle-classes who have colonised the Left support the EU not because they are the Left, but because they aren’t.
They support it because they are middle class. No wonder they support it – it’s a middle class autocracy.
I would vote for Kate Hoey.
And to whoever posted about the billions going out of the UK, that kind of argument means nothing to anyone ordinary. We kind of know that billionaires and corporations move money around.
What matters is what's on our doorstep, how things affect us here locally. Will our mortgage go up? Will crime rise with more migrants? Will they nick our jobs?
Don't shoot me, I'm just saying what people think.
It hasn't even made it onto tomorrow's fronts. In fact, the only switch is the Telegraph's lead about John Nott which goes the other way http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/08/margaret-thatchers-defence-secretary-sir-john-nott-suspends-tory/
No-one's ever heard of Sarah Woollastone.
Sir El Tel?!
And it might be in the day afters papers, we'll see. That would indicate I think it has hit home. If it doesn't last the day, it flopped. But her lack of renown hardly matters either way. You think Normal people know Kate hoey, Dominic raab, even fallon, Javid etc?
I think this is a very dangerous moment for Remain, if anyone actually watches.
By the way, to whoever commented about the accent thing, I wasn't saying it's a good thing. Merely that the moment she opens her mouth and starts telling the English how they should vote is going to lose Remain more votes south of the border.
http://www.stvfootagesales.tv/record/309
A repeat of that and Leave will romp home.
That's the wedge.
But they're rare in mid-campaign, which is why Sarah W is striking. It'll be interesting to see her reasons.
Post down thread if you haven't seen it,she's right isn't she.
It used to be slam-dunk for LEAVE and printed lots of "Euroseptics slam..." headlines. The day the "Brexit kills pensions" story came out, the Times dead-dogged it by dong the EU Army headline, and Bruno Waterfield is pretty sceptic. But the business pages have been pretty REMAIN, sometimes solidly so. So it's conflicted. I assume it'll go LEAVE eventually. But until then, it's going to oscillate a bit
It dropped off, which pretty much sums it up.
What about the Scottish Government's 650 page Scotland's Future?
Dear Carlotta,
The Government has extended the deadline to apply to vote in the EU referendum.
They've just told the House of Commons that their website crashed last night because of the high demand – but we know that the Government and their allies are trying to register as many likely Remain voters as possible.
That's why it's vital that we use this opportunity to make sure every likely Leave voter is registered too.
Even worse, we know that European Union citizens who have no legal right to vote have been given the right to vote and have already voted. This is illegal but the Electoral Commission and the Government are doing nothing about it.
Tin foil shortage......
If people are breaking the law, report it to the police.....
I hope you've diversified your popcorn-heavy portfolio...
I followed the Named Person debate in Holyrood the afternoon, and it was incredible to finally see such a feisty, and on the part of the SNP and other opposition parties, consistently tribal attack on the Scottish Conservatives for their stance on the Named Person scheme. All the parties apart from the Scottish Conservatives voted it through without any real scrutiny, criticisms or concerns. But rather than discuss these now very vocal concerns raised by parents and professionals. All the other parties focussed their attacks on the Scottish Conservatives and the media for their representation of their genuine concerns rather than the lack of safe guards, infrastructure or oversight of this very toxic scheme they all nodded through.
But two things have become very clear today, the SNP finally have finally met their match in this very strong and robust new main Opposition which they are finding very difficult to rebut. And the much diminished SLab and Libdems parties are now more worried that this resurgent Scottish Conservative party who successfully moved onto their turf in the Holyrood elections. But while all the parties of the left focus their guns on the Scottish Conservatives, they are not raising, focusing on and positioning themselves with the voters on the issues that matter to them. Even now, both SLab and Libdems have failed to grasp that the Scottish Conservatives very successfully campaigned on being a strong opposition towards this dominant SNP Government pushing through unpopular and illiberal laws.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/jenny-hjul/186516/mcstasi-is-not-working/
As a parent, I find it utterly incredible that this scheme has got as far as the implementation stage without proper safe guards, infrastructure or proper Government oversight. The steering Committee that was to oversee the Named Person scheme was summarily dismissed after their last meeting saw Police Scotland raise concerns. Absolutely no way would this illiberal legislation based on 'well being' have ever got through the Westminster in its current form.
And just think what impact it could have on the formerly trusting relationship that parents have had with their Health Visitors and teachers in their children's schools.
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Current state of parties is:
Con 246, Lab 210, LD 108, Crossbench 173, Others 65, Total 802
Total now up just 14 compared to June 2011 (when it was 788)
Reports suggest Cameron is going to appoint a substantial number of new Peers post EU ref. Presumably no (or almost no) LDs as they are so over-represented. It was suggested Corbyn would refuse to nominate any new Labour Peers - but I doubt he'll stick to that as it would gift Cameron the chance to improve net Con position more than otherwise would be the case.
Post 2015 GE, he appointed Con 26, LD 11, Lab 8.
So at a guess I think this time it might be something like Con 20, Lab 5.
I still can't get behind the argument a large membership is a bad thing, surely it is necessary in order to be able to draw on a wide range of talent. Yes, I'd seriously curtail the number of political appointees, but I would stuff it with scientist, engineers, captains of industry etc.
I think there were just four appointed by the Independent commission charged with finding non-political appointees last year (and that was after a two year gap).
Obviously the Party ones do include lots of people with industry / other experience.
Today's fronts are very bad again for Cameron. The Sun is having a field day with the immigration issue which I continue to maintain will be highly significant.
I've heard too many sotto voce expressions of concern about losing jobs to migrants to think this is a non-topic. Shy Leave may win it.
'It’s all gone a bit Pete Tong for the PM. It turns out lining up every global leader, trade envoy and financier from Canary Wharf to Chongqing to warn the serfs to vote Remain on threat of nuclear apocalypse wasn’t actually the best idea. Who’d have thought it? People voting in a referendum on global elites don’t want to listen to those same global elites telling them which way to vote. How very bizarre!
Luckily for the Leave camp, master political strategist David Cameron is so comprehensively divorced from any semblance of normality that he doesn’t realise this, and will continue treating the British people like benighted little peasants who need to sit down and listen to what the clever dignitaries and technocrats tell them. In fact, unwittingly, the red-faced ex-Buller boy is one of the Leave campaign’s single biggest assets.'
I started off 75:25 Remain but then as campaign progressed I moved towards Leave - by last Saturday I was very nearly 50:50. But since Sunday I've swung back to Remain - now approx 65:35.
Sunday was also the day I thought the Leave momentum stalled. The killer moments for me were the Major interview and the ORB poll showing Remain was miles ahead (approx 65-25 from memory) on the Wisdom Index - ie 65% think Remain will win.
That moment reinforced to me the thought that many people who want to vote Leave (and think they will) won't go through with it on the day. So I think it's shaping it for a carbon copy of 2014 Indy Ref and 2015 GE - people bottling it and going safe option at the crunch.
But no doubt Remain had a very big wobble indeed - they looked in big trouble at end of last week post Gove on Sky. But Major then steadied it at key moment and now they are going on the attack with the line "Leave = Farage" - unfair maybe - but will be effective.
It's amazing how under-rated Major is - he singlehandedly saved Cameron in 2007 when he went on the news to destroy Brown for going to Afghanistan during Con conference. That directly stopped Brown calling a GE and meant Cameron lived to fight another day - and ultimately then became PM. Now he has intervened again at the absolutely crucial moment to save Cameron again.