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  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Lord Hayward going on little but gut feeling.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    Hayward on Newsnight saying Leave is massively underestimated in the polls.

    Deliberate scare tactics, what with the voter registration extension?

    All those young'uns watching Newsnight!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414

    Ditch the spin. You know his ratings as well as I do.
    If we ditched party leaders on mid term ratings, Margaret Thatcher wouldn't have lasted as PM past 1981
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    kle4 said:

    3) Since his credibility, fairly or not, will have been shot, he will have been persuaded to move up his timetable for departure in any case, so there's less need to topple him in such an immediate and public fashion,
    A dozen rebels can turn him into the lamest of lame ducks any time they like. John Major had it easy with his Bastards compared to what DC is going to have to put up with in the next couple of years.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    So anyone wanting to guess how many times Sarah Wollaston is mentioned in tomorrow's debates?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    Harman blaming the fact that half of Labour voters don't know what position the party has taken on Europe on, you guessed it folks, the Tories.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    So anyone wanting to guess how many times Sarah Wollaston is mentioned in tomorrow's debates?

    Non-story...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    How can you refer to the Flying ScotsMAN as 'her'? 'It', surely?
    Confused by the fact the ScotsMAN was wearing a skirt?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: I put @sarahwollaston critique of the £350m figure "treating public as fools" directly to Gove on Friday: https://t.co/eUGrsQYpp6
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed and it ended up the main thing his career was remembered for
    Quite. Very kind of Argentina to strike before his cuts had taken full effect.

    So if any Remainers want to quote me experts I have a life time of listening to them and finding out they are wrong.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: I put @sarahwollaston critique of the £350m figure "treating public as fools" directly to Gove on Friday: https://t.co/eUGrsQYpp6

    You were also a numpty calling Gove the Lord High Chancellor four times...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: Highly significant @sarahwollaston has decided to defect from Leave to Remain on the back of the "£350m sent to Brussels" figure

    He's wrong too I guess...

    It's too early to say definitively. It depends if her credibility is shot as a result, or if there is more significant pushback on the £350million claim (which given how it has been pushed I can only presume Leave feel is a key positive for them) as a result of such public repudiation from a former Leaver. And I don't know how you prove it has had an effect, since even if polls trend toward Remain, it could be for any reason.

    So he's not right or wrong, he's just opining like anyone and there's no way, certainly now, to know. But there are plenty of arguments as to why it might not be significant too, eg lack of impact due to low profile etc.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    DavidL said:

    I am still trying to reconcile myself to the idea that the English media are starting to talk themselves into believing that England have a chance again. Hope truly trumps experience.
    I'll be paying virtually no attention to Euro 2016 until the 24th February. We can all name 5 or 6 of the 8 teams to be eliminated in the group stages. It only gets interesting at the knock out stages. They should have gone the full hog and made it like the world cup format of 32 teams, and cut down on many meaningless qualifying games just to get to the tournament stage.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,697
    The Wollaston incident is an odd one. If it was a nuanced leave changing to a nuanced remain, I could understand it, but it seems to be a complete 180 degree about-face over a really rather minor incident. Has she been nobbled by the whips perhaps? Or was this all pre-planned? If so, can we expect a string of these over the next couple of weeks? Or am I seeing conspiracies where none exist?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Hayward on Newsnight saying Leave is massively underestimated in the polls.

    Deliberate scare tactics, what with the voter registration extension?

    No, he's listening to people.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Harriet Harman is so good. Actually speaking like a humanbeing and making understandable, concrete arguments about the EU, rather than this impenetrable bollocks about "outward-facing Britain" or "our place in the world" that most Labour Remain campaigners prattle on about.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Wollaston has to be a sleeper agent for Remain.

    No one is that stupid.

    Khalid Mahmood ? he must have thought immigration wouldn't be mentioned during the referendum
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183

    So 50 MPs should be able to ride roughshod over 280 MPs and 11 million voters.

    Brilliant.
    He said he wasn't going to fight the next election.

    Surprise surprise, that removes a good deal of his authority.

    Brilliant.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    chestnut said:

    No, he's listening to people.

    Has he had five million conversations? :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Cookie said:

    The Wollaston incident is an odd one. If it was a nuanced leave changing to a nuanced remain, I could understand it, but it seems to be a complete 180 degree about-face over a really rather minor incident. Has she been nobbled by the whips perhaps? Or was this all pre-planned? If so, can we expect a string of these over the next couple of weeks? Or am I seeing conspiracies where none exist?

    She's the MP to be least likely nobbled by the whips
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    hunchman said:

    I'll be paying virtually no attention to Euro 2016 until the 24th February. We can all name 5 or 6 of the 8 teams to be eliminated in the group stages. It only gets interesting at the knock out stages. They should have gone the full hog and made it like the world cup format of 32 teams, and cut down on many meaningless qualifying games just to get to the tournament stage.
    Mr Hunchman, it will all be over a long time before 24th February.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    RobD said:

    Oh please. "I'm going to leave the UK if Remain wins". Righto!
    Well, Ken promises to leave if we leave the EU so that is surely a good reason to vote leave!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Mortimer said:

    He said he wasn't going to fight the next election.

    Surprise surprise, that removes a good deal of his authority.

    Brilliant.
    A bit like any US President at the start of their second term
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fraser Nelson
    George Osborne vs Andrew Neil - transcript: https://t.co/nSKcquHe9O
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,913
    Charles said:

    Confused by the fact the ScotsMAN was wearing a skirt?
    I like that but we all called her 'her' - maybe it was an affectionate term at the time but I am too old to remember
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Welsh artisanal baker: "I've always classed myself as European."

    Do these people genuinely exist?

    Not Welsh?
    Not British?
    'European'??

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,612
    Cookie said:

    The Wollaston incident is an odd one. If it was a nuanced leave changing to a nuanced remain, I could understand it, but it seems to be a complete 180 degree about-face over a really rather minor incident. Has she been nobbled by the whips perhaps? Or was this all pre-planned? If so, can we expect a string of these over the next couple of weeks? Or am I seeing conspiracies where none exist?

    If Jeremy Corbyn switches to Remain then we'll know there is a conspiracy.

    Night all...
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Musically speaking, I think we're around 6:25 into this piece in the build up to D-Day in 15 days time. Time to ramp up the volume!:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRso9gEnO74
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    PlatoSaid said:

    Fraser Nelson
    George Osborne vs Andrew Neil - transcript: https://t.co/nSKcquHe9O

    Catching up with it now on iPlayer. Osborne not doing too badly. Will be interesting to read through the PB archives (what a life I lead) to see the reaction, and how wrong I am :D
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Sandpit said:

    A dozen rebels can turn him into the lamest of lame ducks any time they like. John Major had it easy with his Bastards compared to what DC is going to have to put up with in the next couple of years.
    That's precisely why I don't think he will last years. The longer he sticks around the better the chance his favoured successor will have of, er, succeeding him, and the Leavers aren't going to accept another Cameroon(Remain sub-type). If he decides to go in, say, 2017, those rebels might be persuaded to play nice for that short period, on the understanding someone more amendable to them will have the best chance so soon after the referendum, with Osborne for one's reputation unlikely to have recovered.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: Highly significant @sarahwollaston has decided to defect from Leave to Remain on the back of the "£350m sent to Brussels" figure

    He's wrong too I guess...

    Like I said the other night,the TV news on all stations are slanted in favour of remain.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183

    A bit like any US President at the start of their second term
    No, not in any way like that. He is under no constitutional obligation to stay on, and has no direct mandate from the public.

    Cameron is leader of a party that knows how to depose weak leaders. Even Labour gets rid of lame duck PMs.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Welsh artisanal baker: "I've always classed myself as European."

    Do these people genuinely exist?

    Not Welsh?
    Not British?
    'European'??

    Only about 10% consider themselves European so a real minority.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Sandpit said:

    Mr Hunchman, it will all be over a long time before 24th February.
    Oh god, too many long nights recently spent following the money trail over 788 790 Finchley Road!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    RobD said:

    Catching up with it now on iPlayer. Osborne not doing too badly. Will be interesting to read through the PB archives (what a life I lead) to see the reaction, and how wrong I am :D
    Osborne was so crap, the price on Remain has collapsed from 74% to erm 74%
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,697

    She's the MP to be least likely nobbled by the whips
    Well, yes, that was my impression. But it seems odd, no? I know you're pleased that she's come over to your side, and I know people change their minds, but few people change their minds so soon after writing an article arguing the exact opposite.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    @David_Cameron: A powerful intervention by @sarahwollaston, an MP and Dr who will no longer vote Leave because she thinks it will damage the economy & NHS.

    Three cheers for the good Dr Wollaston!

    I knew she was too sensible for Leave.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,953

    Hayward on Newsnight saying Leave is massively underestimated in the polls.

    LEAVE may well be massively underestimated in the polls, and indeed I have a bet[1] partly based on that proposition. But is he offering any actual *evidence* to support that? Genuine question

    [1] I may have mentioned it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    Scott_P said:
    Gods, Twitter is just fill of vile gits spewing bile, isn't it? He could have be saying puppies are nice and I'd bet the replies would have been the same.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    RobD said:

    Has he had five million conversations? :D
    The only thing in any of the polls where the majority of people feel there will be a substantial difference is immigration.

    Influence? No one gives a toss.

    Jobs and pensions? Not a lot will happen

    The economy? Same

    NHS? Probably get a bit better

    Migration? That will fall.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,913
    Cookie said:

    The Wollaston incident is an odd one. If it was a nuanced leave changing to a nuanced remain, I could understand it, but it seems to be a complete 180 degree about-face over a really rather minor incident. Has she been nobbled by the whips perhaps? Or was this all pre-planned? If so, can we expect a string of these over the next couple of weeks? Or am I seeing conspiracies where none exist?

    I think this is a one off. She is very independently minded and has huge integrity. She clearly disagreed with the figure of 350 million and it's connection with the NHS. It is also likely that she was influenced by the overwhelming economic arguments.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    He's already been convicted and jailed.
    I see. Interesting timing for the headline.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Welshman on Newsnight: Vote Leave if you want to go back to outside toilets.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I like that but we all called her 'her' - maybe it was an affectionate term at the time but I am too old to remember
    Don't over think it. Boats and trains are always female

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2016
    kle4 said:

    That's precisely why I don't think he will last years. The longer he sticks around the better the chance his favoured successor will have of, er, succeeding him, and the Leavers aren't going to accept another Cameroon(Remain sub-type). If he decides to go in, say, 2017, those rebels might be persuaded to play nice for that short period, on the understanding someone more amendable to them will have the best chance so soon after the referendum, with Osborne for one's reputation unlikely to have recovered.
    Theresa May. 7/1 (still) for next PM. 3rd favourite behind Johnson and Osborne for some reason. Who else can hold the party together if it's not 60-40 in the referendum?

    Edit: Shadsy also still has 10/1 on the next general election being in each of this year and the next two. Value on all three I say.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    hunchman said:

    Well we can all play that vile game can't we. I feel ashamed at what this country has become, with a remain campaign pitching itself at the worst of human instincts, inciting fear at every opportunity. And as for the Woolaston stunt then maybe this is quite telling what she told the Express back in February:

    “I am in love with the possibilities of the EU but can no longer ignore the grinding reality of the institution.”

    No doubt wan*ing off to the possibilities of an EU army, being on the hock for more Eurozone bailouts, more EU contributions to pay for the migration crisis Sarah? Something to have a titillation about for sure!
    hunchman said:

    Well we can all play that vile game can't we. I feel ashamed at what this country has become, with a remain campaign pitching itself at the worst of human instincts, inciting fear at every opportunity. And as for the Woolaston stunt then maybe this is quite telling what she told the Express back in February:

    “I am in love with the possibilities of the EU but can no longer ignore the grinding reality of the institution.”

    No doubt wan*ing off to the possibilities of an EU army, being on the hock for more Eurozone bailouts, more EU contributions to pay for the migration crisis Sarah? Something to have a titillation about for sure!
    Didn't Cameron's aide get charged with child sex crimes?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Cookie said:

    Well, yes, that was my impression. But it seems odd, no? I know you're pleased that she's come over to your side, and I know people change their minds, but few people change their minds so soon after writing an article arguing the exact opposite.
    Her tweets archive is providing entertainment right now.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320

    It is time for Graham Brady to step in and quietly warn Cameron and Osborne off. The 1922 committee need to intervene on behalf of the party.

    That would be an abuse of the both Brady's position, and that of the 1922 committee!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    viewcode said:

    LEAVE may well be massively underestimated in the polls, and indeed I have a bet[1] partly based on that proposition. But is he offering any actual *evidence* to support that? Genuine question

    [1] I may have mentioned it.
    viewcode said:

    LEAVE may well be massively underestimated in the polls, and indeed I have a bet[1] partly based on that proposition. But is he offering any actual *evidence* to support that? Genuine question

    [1] I may have mentioned it.
    He's spoken to some friends in Surrey, is what it seemed to amount to.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,953

    Welsh artisanal baker: "I've always classed myself as European."

    Do these people genuinely exist?

    Not Welsh?
    Not British?
    'European'??

    You said "artisanal". Fnarr, fnarr... :)
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    So 50 MPs should be able to ride roughshod over 280 MPs and 11 million voters.

    Brilliant.
    The EU is so undemocratic, that the losing anti-EU side of the referendum should be allowed overturn the elected prime minister as a minority of their parliamentary party.
  • VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    kjohnw said:

    Didn't Cameron's aide get charged with child sex crimes?
    Yep, and it got removed from this thread.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    So 50 MPs should be able to ride roughshod over 280 MPs and 11 million voters.

    Brilliant.
    That's the way it works in the Conservative party or haven't you noticed?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,913

    Like I said the other night,the TV news on all stations are slanted in favour of remain.
    As opposed to the print media who are massively Brexit
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,697

    I think this is a one off. She is very independently minded and has huge integrity. She clearly disagreed with the figure of 350 million and it's connection with the NHS. It is also likely that she was influenced by the overwhelming economic arguments.
    Well, yes, but it's not as if the economic arguments have changed in the last eight weeks or so since she chose her side, or suddenly been expressed with hitherto unmanaged lucidity. I don't object to her choosing Remain - I just find it odd that if that's what she thinks she didn't start out as Remain.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    edited June 2016

    Welshman on Newsnight: Vote Leave if you want to go back to outside toilets.

    That was funny.

    Interesting that most of the South Wales vox pops went for Leave. I think TSE is bang on that Wales will be a CaTAFFsrophe for Remain.

    Are pollsters filtering out those EU nationals who are not elegible to vote?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    I see. Interesting timing for the headline.
    Not if he was just convicted/sentenced, surely?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    overwhelming "career" arguments

    There. Sorted. Next.

    But if the Brexiteers are right, her career is over.

    You're not wobbling to Remain are you Sean?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,813
    kle4 said:

    It's too early to say definitively. It depends if her credibility is shot as a result, or if there is more significant pushback on the £350million claim (which given how it has been pushed I can only presume Leave feel is a key positive for them) as a result of such public repudiation from a former Leaver. And I don't know how you prove it has had an effect, since even if polls trend toward Remain, it could be for any reason.

    So he's not right or wrong, he's just opining like anyone and there's no way, certainly now, to know. But there are plenty of arguments as to why it might not be significant too, eg lack of impact due to low profile etc.
    In her interview she talked more about the disruption caused by Brexit, that she wasn't aware of previously, than the fact the quoted figure was a lie. Maybe she is disingenuous but it could be a reason for changing your mind, whereas your fellow campaigners behaving badly shouldn't affect your fundamental beliefs. The interview has the potential to be damaging to Leave if it gets widely aired because her issues are ones that will certainly resonate with the "sceptical but could be convinced" crowd who will actually decide this referendum.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    Yep, and it got removed from this thread.
    Your rather large font size probably did that. No one likes a shouty mc shout face on these boards, as Chris Evans proves.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Scott_P said:
    Excellent news on the face of it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    edited June 2016
    Mortimer said:

    That was funny.

    Interesting that most of the South Wales vox pops went for Leave. I think TSE is bang on that Wales will be a CaTAFFsrophe for Remain.

    Are pollsters filtering out those EU nationals who are not elegible to vote?
    Yup, they are factoring that in.

    I know the Populus and YouGov polls I take part in ask that.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    edited June 2016
    DavidL said:

    Too busy studying Machiavelli, the Prince. Which is an extremely underrated book which frequently had me laughing out loud with its cynicism and insights into human nature.
    Tbf it is and has been pretty highly rated..
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    viewcode said:

    You said "artisanal". Fnarr, fnarr... :)
    That's how the BBC described her. Go figure!
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    So anyone wanting to guess how many times Sarah Wollaston is mentioned in tomorrow's debates?

    I suspect more than once, but less than once per minute.

    Do I get a prize if I am right?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,913
    Charles said:

    Don't over think it. Boats and trains are always female

    Thanks for that - we do over analyse at times
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Mortimer said:

    Harman blaming the fact that half of Labour voters don't know what position the party has taken on Europe on, you guessed it folks, the Tories.

    Everything is the Tories fault... surely?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414

    I suspect more than once, but less than once per minute.

    Do I get a prize if I am right?
    The prize is an evening with David Coburn.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    I think this is a one off. She is very independently minded and has huge integrity. She clearly disagreed with the figure of 350 million and it's connection with the NHS. It is also likely that she was influenced by the overwhelming economic arguments.
    Given what she was saying only a few days ago, as quoted up-thread, I think the idea that she has huge integrity is perhaps a little weak. In fact she has actually proved she cannot be trusted from one day to the next, just another mendacious politician.

    I wonder if she treats her patients with the same cavalier attitude that she does her voters.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,913

    Welshman on Newsnight: Vote Leave if you want to go back to outside toilets.

    Who was that ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    But if the Brexiteers are right, her career is over.

    You're not wobbling to Remain are you Sean?
    He will change his mind three times before the cock crows.
  • VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    RobD said:

    Your rather large font size probably did that. No one likes a shouty mc shout face on these boards, as Chris Evans proves.
    That would be fair enough if people weren't posting even larger font sizes in their graphics.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    fitalass said:

    That would be an abuse of the both Brady's position, and that of the 1922 committee!
    That is exactly what the 1922 committee is there for - representation of and comms between back benches and leadership.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284
    edited June 2016

    If we ditched party leaders on mid term ratings, Margaret Thatcher wouldn't have lasted as PM past 1981
    mid term? Ah, so you agree Cameron will be gone in 2017 then, if this is his mid term?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,697
    Scott_P said:

    But if the Brexiteers are right, her career is over.

    You're not wobbling to Remain are you Sean?
    I think Sean's position has always been the Remain would win. On that basis, Sarah Wollaston has made the right career decision.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183

    Yup, they are factoring that in.

    I know the Populus and YouGov polls I take part in ask that.
    Thanks TSE.

  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I really don't like any of this smearing, at all.

    Still, some seem to get off on the attention.

    Sun
    Big Brother dominatrix claims she did cocaine with George Osborne https://t.co/85J1Hrd5la https://t.co/CgeHXZdtg0
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    kle4 said:

    mid term? Ah, so you agree Cameron will be gone in 2017 then, if this is his mid term?
    My own hunch is that if Remain wins, he'll announce his departure date, probably 2018.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320

    Interesting

    @SamCoatesTimes: Leave MPs considering a post-referendum letter saying David Cameron should stay PM. Robert Syms, a leave MP, canvassing support

    There was no appetite for a pre-referendum letter from leave MPs on Cameron's future, I'm told.

    Downing Street have nothing to do with this, they insist.

    Have a small handful of #Brexit Tory MPs gone too far and allowed their personal animosity towards Cameron and Osborne cloud their judgement in briefings to the media over the last couple of weeks?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    edited June 2016

    That would be fair enough if people weren't posting even larger font sizes in their graphics.
    Surely you can see the distinction. One's an image of the front page. If you had mocked up the front page it would have probably survived. If you absolutely must emphasise text, I'd suggest just making it bold!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Mortimer said:

    Thanks TSE.

    And that all the other pollsters say they are filtering for it.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    As far as Cable (GBPUSD) is concerned, Sarah who?

    http://www.investing.com/currencies/gbp-usd
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    hunchman said:

    Oh god, too many long nights recently spent following the money trail over 788 790 Finchley Road!
    One of these days you might elaborate on what goes on in this mysterious building on Finchley Road.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,284

    My own hunch is that if Remain wins, he'll announce his departure date, probably 2018.
    Seems credible, at the outer limit. 2019 always seemed the latest, in order to give his successor a good run in, and with this additional pressure that seems too much.

    But then again it looks like Boris may well be PM in a few months as it is.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Osborne was so crap, the price on Remain has collapsed from 74% to erm 74%
    Quite. Did last nights debate move anything?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited June 2016
    JCB, one of the countries foremost manufacturers, have written to their staff saying Brexit is nothing to be concerned about and that the EU is a declining power.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Given what she was saying only a few days ago, as quoted up-thread, I think the idea that she has huge integrity is perhaps a little weak. In fact she has actually proved she cannot be trusted from one day to the next, just another mendacious politician.

    I wonder if she treats her patients with the same cavalier attitude that she does her voters.
    Politics is a very seperate sphere to medicine.

    Anecdote alert: first spontaneous mentions of the referendum by patients today. Older county set people on both occasions. I didn't ask how they were voting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414

    Quite. Did last nights debate move anything?
    Went from 72% to 74%
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    As opposed to the print media who are massively Brexit
    The bbc are supposed to be impartial,good luck when labour get a better leader,then the tory bashing will begin.

    Can't wait.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Who was that ?
    Pub-goer in a vox pop.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    RobD said:

    Not if he was just convicted/sentenced, surely?
    Not if he was convicted or sentenced today... Was he/?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    kle4 said:

    Seems credible, at the outer limit. 2019 always seemed the latest, in order to give his successor a good run in, and with this additional pressure that seems too much.

    But then again it looks like Boris may well be PM in a few months as it is.
    I suspect we'll follow the timetable as was in 2005.

    Beauty parade at the conference, nominations close a week afterwards.

    MPs short-list the final two by mid October, new leader in place by December.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313
    Hm, I think that very much trivialises Wollaston's position.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    So Sarah Woolaston turned out to be just another politician.

    Shame.
  • VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    RobD said:

    Surely you can see the distinction. One's an image of the front page. If you had mocked up the front page it would have probably survived. If you absolutely must emphasise text, I'd suggest just making it bold!
    Shame there is always a large font size posting at the end of every thread.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,313

    Not if he was convicted or sentenced today... Was he/?
    You replied to my question with exactly the same question :D
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,953
    edited June 2016

    He's spoken to some friends in Surrey, is what it seemed to amount to.
    Weirdly, one thing we aren't talking about is John Pienaar's reporting of large-scale Labour under-response (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36473534 ). If true, LEAVE will win unless...well, what?
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