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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Oh Russia! This is great staging and bouncy clapalong. My favourite so far
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Russia a bit underwhelming for the supposed 'favourite'.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Dark angels from Russia. Song not bad. At least it had some sort of tune. You could imagine Russian panzers streaming towards Europe singing that song.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944


    For NI I have LEAVE 36% REMAIN 64%, Turnout LEAVE 50% REMAIN 60%.

    Where do you have the main event? Who is to win the referendum over all?
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Anyone and everyone can get it wrong - that doesn't make them a liar but it does make them human. I think there are plenty of sticks you can throw at Boris - his time as London Mayor was unremarkable and especially on housing hugely unproductive.

    Agreed. Anyone who thinks Cameron can go from it'l be OK if we leaver to it'l be WWIII on the one hand is credible but someone changing their mind on a treaty the text of which is secret shows they blow in the wind is both an odd and untenable position to take. That seems Soames position.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Spain top 5.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508
    Russia - nice staging, shame about the song.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Spain appears to be a Madonna 80s retread. I thought the cute guy at the beginning was Spain - now I'm confused.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Russia: Leni Riefenstahl does Eurovision?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    MikeK said:

    Dark angels from Russia. Song not bad. At least it had some sort of tune. You could imagine Russian panzers streaming towards Europe singing that song.

    I think they were T34's but get the point.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    I assume that given the references to thunder and lightning the Russian entry is a tribute to English Electric and the Nene engine.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,547
    I like Spain using the messaging of Remain.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Spain appears to be a Madonna 80s retread. I thought the cute guy at the beginning was Spain - now I'm confused.

    Think he was Hungary.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944



    110% turnout. Normal for NI.

    When Soames was opining on how Churchill would vote I was thinking:

    He died years ago, what he would have done doesn't matter and as he wasn't buried in Northern Ireland, he doesn't get a vote!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ha! A Eurovision branded straitjacket!! :lol:
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    The_Taxman - I do not understand your point. Can you please inform us what is the source of your fixed income that you think is threatened by Brexit? Or are you in favour of LEAVE?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919

    3. Leavers are not "little Englanders" Remainers are Little Europeans. There will be no splendid isolation.

    Is there a prize for the largest group you can attach the word "Little" to? Can I go for "Little Human"? Or is that too speciesist?

    4. Leaving the EU will not actually reduce household incomes. See http://aconservatives.blogspot.com/2016/04/osbornes-accountancy-is-very-creative.html

    We will have to disagree on this. Leaving aside the opportunity cost for the moment, I think they'll be absolutely smaller in the short/medium term (2-5 years).

    1. It's mostly the less well off that will vote for Brexit not the ABs. 2. They do genuinely feel immigration is keeping down their wages.

    It's a fair point: for some of them it will be the truth, and for others they will consider the reduction in their wealth to be worth the reduction in immigration. My response to this is that the migration levels are driven by geopolitics/the UK government and will remain (pun!) high even after LEAVE. I had a lengthy discussion about this with Socrates, I think last year.

    Some wealthy people will vote to LEAVE because they can afford the drop in wealth: a class that considers themselves bereft if they have only one dishwasher is not one to be swayed by logical argument.[1] Some poor people will vote to LEAVE as detailed above. But the squeezed middle, with mortgages and credit card bills, are entitled to consider the costs and how it will affect their lives. Calling the costs "small sums" or deprecating their patriotism is wrong.

    [1] In my lighter moments I wonder if telling them their "liposuctioned plutocratic arses will look absolutely YUUUGE if they vote LEAVE" might work
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    On topic:
    I don't care whether Boris is parsimonious with the truth
    I only care whether he agrees with me.
    Ummmm
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2016
    While we are all watching the musical horror show, fistfights have erupted at the Nevada Democratic Convention between Hillary and Sanders supporters over the Hillary campaign trying to reduce the number of Sanders delegates.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508
    edited May 2016



    110% turnout. Normal for NI.

    When Soames was opining on how Churchill would vote I was thinking:

    He died years ago, what he would have done doesn't matter and as he wasn't buried in Northern Ireland, he doesn't get a vote!
    If I were Churchill's grandson, I cherish the fantasy I'd have done something more than shot my mouth off at every given opportunity and opined on what my grandfather would have done. Sadly for Soames the family traits end with the double chins.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Moses_ said:

    MikeK said:

    Dark angels from Russia. Song not bad. At least it had some sort of tune. You could imagine Russian panzers streaming towards Europe singing that song.

    I think they were T34's but get the point.
    Now they've upped the ante with modern T14's - Armata.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2016


    For NI I have LEAVE 36% REMAIN 64%, Turnout LEAVE 50% REMAIN 60%.

    Where do you have the main event? Who is to win the referendum over all?
    LEAVE 51.8% REMAIN 48.2%
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822



    110% turnout. Normal for NI.

    When Soames was opining on how Churchill would vote I was thinking:

    He died years ago, what he would have done doesn't matter and as he wasn't buried in Northern Ireland, he doesn't get a vote!
    If I were Churchill's grandson, I cherish the fantasy I'd have done something more than shot my mouth off at every given opportunity and opined on what my grandfather would have done. Sadly for Soames the family traits end with the double chins.
    I've always thought he was a boorish oaf - the more I hear from him, the more my view is confirmed.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I'm watching the Eurovision Song Contest for the first time since the early 1970s, when the songs were all bubblegum, not memorable, relentlessly 'pop' and the whole thing was kitsch and way over produced. Some things never change.

    It's the middle of the afternoon here, 29 degrees C, so staying inside is a challenge.

    The show is on LOGO, the network appealing to the LGBTQ set. It's not in HD, (don't know why, LOGO broadcasts in HD), and has two relentlessly gay female commentators (who obviously know nothing about the contest or its history) who talk constantly, make lots of comments about this singer being bi-sexual, sequins, double entendres, shoes and other dross.

    Frankly watching it is an ordeal.

    I miss the multi-lingual Katie Boyle and her "Norway - nul points." in French.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,547
    Crimea River
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Umm, Ukrainian lady reminded me of a witch desperately trying to cast a spell.
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    surbiton said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Leave seems to be making gains across the board.
    This is the choice in a nutshell. Which way will people fall? As a gloomy remainer, I think migration will trump.

    Yep, I've always thought Leave would win on the back of immigration. If the government tells you there are too many immigrants, they are ruining public services, scrounging benefits and driving down wages you are going to believe them. Dave can't turn round now and say that actually it isn't true, so he's going to lose.

    As I said, Dave can't resist sticking too many eggs into his "Immigrant delight" pudding.
    I think REMAIN can win if the Labour Party came out flat out for REMAIN. 75% of 30% = 22.5%.

    Plus Tories' 45% of 37% = 16.6%, LD's 75% of 8% = 6%. 60% of the rest [ excl. UKIP ] 60% of 12% = 7.2%.

    All these fractions add up to : 22.5% + 16.6% + 6% + 7.2% = 52.3%. I am assuming 100% of the fruitcakes [ 13% ] will vote to LEAVE [ even though that never happens ]

    The point REMAINS that REMAIN cannot win without Labour voters. Those Labour voters [ mostly ex ] who will vote to LEAVE have already decamped to UKIP and the SNP. That is why I am assuming only 60% in Scotland, Wales and NI.
    Well I haven't, but:

    "Those Labour voters [ mostly ex ] who will vote to LEAVE have already decamped to UKIP and the SNP "

    The SNP ?
    Yes. Most Central and Western belt Labour voters who moved over to the SNP will actually vote to LEAVE. That is why the Scottish element to vote REMAIN has been changed from 70% to 60%. The bonus is in NI where , I think, 60% voting to remain is an understatement.
    For NI I have LEAVE 36% REMAIN 64%, Turnout LEAVE 50% REMAIN 60%.

    110% turnout. Normal for NI.
    Ha, the turnout is for each specific area! 36% of NI vote LEAVE and of that 36% only 50% of them will bother to vote.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Sh*t

    I was betting blind on this Eurovision - If there's any justice, Spain should win it.

    I've reversed my lays on spain top 3/4/5/10 and had a small punt on them to win at 59/1

    Pity I missed the 250/1 e/w
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Tim_B said:

    I'm watching the Eurovision Song Contest for the first time since the early 1970s, when the songs were all bubblegum, not memorable, relentlessly 'pop' and the whole thing was kitsch and way over produced. Some things never change.

    It's the middle of the afternoon here, 29 degrees C, so staying inside is a challenge.

    The show is on LOGO, the network appealing to the LGBTQ set. It's not in HD, (don't know why, LOGO broadcasts in HD), and has two relentlessly gay female commentators (who obviously know nothing about the contest or its history) who talk constantly, make lots of comments about this singer being bi-sexual, sequins, double entendres, shoes and other dross.

    Frankly watching it is an ordeal.

    I miss the multi-lingual Katie Boyle and her "Norway - nul points." in French.

    I'm just glad the fad for male ballad singers with a piano has died out. That was beyond dreary.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016

    Crimea River

    That's appalling but quite good in equal order

    Oh dear.... Malta has a pitch invasion
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508
    Looks of Mariah Carey, voice of Archbishop Dr George Carey.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944


    For NI I have LEAVE 36% REMAIN 64%, Turnout LEAVE 50% REMAIN 60%.

    Where do you have the main event? Who is to win the referendum over all?
    LEAVE 51.8% REMAIN 48.2%
    Interesting. Close. Not the way the establishment would have it.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,962
    Speedy said:

    While we are all watching the musical horror show, fistfights have erupted at the Nevada Democratic Convention between Hillary and Sanders supporters over the Hillary campaign trying to reduce the number of Sanders delegates.

    The same thing happened at the Saturday 2 April 2016: County Conventions
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,547
    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited May 2016

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050


    Are you suggesting the EU don't want a superstate?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    Anti-semite Adolf believed in a single European Superstate

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And we're back - I voted for Sweden. Loved Austria's retro song and Cyprus too
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371
    Looks like PB's back - UK entry wasn't half bad :)
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited May 2016
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    Did Hitler want a superstate?

    I thought he wanted a German Reich, but not equal rights for other peoples.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,547
    edited May 2016
    Umming and ahhing about doing the morning thread with the headline

    'What is it about ex London Mayors that make them talk bollocks about Hitler?'
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    For tennis fans, the Djokovic vs Nishikori match just now is perhaps the best example of ball striking I I have ever seen.

    Murray looks to have a good chance tomorrow afternoon for once.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Pong said:

    Sh*t

    I was betting blind on this Eurovision - If there's any justice, Spain should win it.

    I've reversed my lays on spain top 3/4/5/10 and had a small punt on them to win at 59/1

    Pity I missed the 250/1 e/w

    Quite. The audience loved it. Possibly even more than JT.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,114

    Latest from Boris - comparing EU to Hitler

    Did Boris specify whether this was before or after he went mad?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    Did Hitler want a superstate?

    I thought he wanted a German Reich, but not equal rights for other peoples.
    That is a European superstate! :D
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Not something I'd have said, but perhaps the polling is telling Leave that it'd work. Certainly provides for much amusing debate whatever the case. Dave's WAR!!! is getting rebutted...

    @kle4 was getting bored and wanted some Hitler - and here it is :smiley:
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508
    UK entry was likeable.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    and we're back!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    fingers crossed for more than a point today!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?
    It was. Norton said it was the first time the Austrian entry had sung in French since 1966....when they won. Watching the recap I quite liked Bulgaria too.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Great timing.....

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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    The EU has pretensions of being a superstate. Hitler wanted a greater Germany etc. They may have been geographically similar and the EU may not be democratic but it is hyperbole.

    It's a bit like Cameron, Osbourne, Legarde et al really.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    Did Hitler want a superstate?

    I thought he wanted a German Reich, but not equal rights for other peoples.
    Not a superstate as such. Structures were never particularly important to him, in contrast to the EU.
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    gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 477

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?
    You mean Australia. Austria is not in Europe.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,547

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    The EU has pretensions of being a superstate. Hitler wanted a greater Germany etc. They may have been geographically similar and the EU may not be democratic but it is hyperbole.

    It's a bit like Cameron, Osbourne, Legarde et al really.
    So you Leavers will be lining up to criticise Boris the way you did Dave?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Politicians been economical with the truth....whatever next...
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?
    You mean Australia. Austria is not in Europe.
    Uh?

    And yes, she was singing in French. Do shifting borders mean it's an official language out there?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,673
    The trouble is that the EU is more of a shitstate than a superstate.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Loving the Eurovision pisstake of the perfect entry
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,673

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?

    tlg86 said:

    I think this is a very average Eurovision. I thought Austria was half decent, but Spain is the big mover in the betting. If this was the X Factor I would be suspicious of the Timberlake interview taking place in the vicinity of the girls from Spain, Austria and Bulgaria. But I suspect it's just because they are pretty girls who they wanted in shot rather than some ploy to win them votes.

    Really liked Austria - so retro and sweet, was it my imagination or did she sing in French too?
    You mean Australia. Austria is not in Europe.
    Uh?

    And yes, she was singing in French. Do shifting borders mean it's an official language out there?
    You're getting mixed up with Arabic.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    The EU has pretensions of being a superstate. Hitler wanted a greater Germany etc. They may have been geographically similar and the EU may not be democratic but it is hyperbole.

    It's a bit like Cameron, Osbourne, Legarde et al really.
    So you Leavers will be lining up to criticise Boris the way you did Dave?
    I just have.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919

    Not something I'd have said, but perhaps the polling is telling Leave that it'd work

    The polling may be telling LEAVE that it'd work, but it is a ludicrously disproportionate claim, not one that somebody claiming to be an adult could make.

    Remember I keep saying that Boris's reputation for intelligence is overstated?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    What is it with politicians & Hitler...seems like we can't have a speech without old adolf getting a name check.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Can I vote for Love Love Peace Peace?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    My vote goes to "Love Love Peace Peace"
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    edited May 2016
    not enough people in hamster wheels.. it'll never win.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    Did Hitler want a superstate?

    I thought he wanted a German Reich, but not equal rights for other peoples.
    Not a superstate as such. Structures were never particularly important to him, in contrast to the EU.
    Protectorate of Bohemia Moravia (1938/1939)
    General Government (Poland - 1939)
    Reichskommissariat Nederland (1940)
    Reichskommissariat Norwegen (1940)
    Reichskommissariat Ostland (Baltics + Belarus - 1941)
    Reichskommissariat Ukraine (1941)
    Bezirk Bialystok (1941)
    Operational Zone of the Alpine foothills (Italian Tyrol - 1943)
    Operational Zone of the Adriatic Littoral (Slovenia, Trieste - 1943)
    Reichskommissariat Belgium and North France (1944).
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    What is it with politicians & Hitler...seems like we can't have a speech without old adolf getting a name check.
    Has that horse just nutted Liz? To the tower with it.....
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Boris: "Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, & it ends tragically..The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods"
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,969
    And I need to thank Boris once again for coming along at exactly the right moment and proving me right. I said it only a few hours ago in spite of the polling on trust.

    The longer the campaign goes on the more of a liability he will become. At the moment he seems pretty bulletproof but many more of these ludicrous comparisons and any benefit he has to Leave will dwindle pretty quickly.

    I would have thought that any politician would have learnt long ago that any comparison of anything with Hitler in any way, good bad or indifferent, is simply a stupid thing to do.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Come on Italy
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    viewcode said:

    Not something I'd have said, but perhaps the polling is telling Leave that it'd work

    The polling may be telling LEAVE that it'd work, but it is a ludicrously disproportionate claim, not one that somebody claiming to be an adult could make.

    Remember I keep saying that Boris's reputation for intelligence is overstated?
    To be fair we haven't read the article so don't know how the headline came about. Clearly the EU wants to be a superstate. However it isn't going to be like Hitler's reich and getting caught in that meme is not only daft but quite unhelpful.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371

    I'm sure Leavers will be lining up to criticise this ridiculous hyperbole from Project Fear

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/731588644474114050

    The EU has pretensions of being a superstate. Hitler wanted a greater Germany etc. They may have been geographically similar and the EU may not be democratic but it is hyperbole.

    It's a bit like Cameron, Osbourne, Legarde et al really.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/02/20160204001954!Greater_German_Reich_NS_Administration_1944.png
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098



    110% turnout. Normal for NI.

    When Soames was opining on how Churchill would vote I was thinking:

    He died years ago, what he would have done doesn't matter and as he wasn't buried in Northern Ireland, he doesn't get a vote!
    If I were Churchill's grandson, I cherish the fantasy I'd have done something more than shot my mouth off at every given opportunity and opined on what my grandfather would have done. Sadly for Soames the family traits end with the double chins.
    I've always thought he was a boorish oaf - the more I hear from him, the more my view is confirmed.
    I have met him several times and he can be an arrogant shit, especially if he doesn't get exactly what he wants delivered exactly the way he wants it. He can also be the most charming and gracious fellow you could ever wish to meet, and he has a wicked sense of humour. As an MP he is top notch - he knows how to get things done in Whitehall and uses that knowledge to help his constituents. When he takes an interest in something then, e.g. a certain University's Army Cadet scheme, he really takes an interest. He is certainly not stupid and he doesn't stand on ceremony (once when Tony Blair was PM Soames collared him a corridor in Parliament literally backed him against the wall and standing just a few inches away told Blair exactly why he was wrong about the army's needs in Afghanistan).

    So no, I don't think he is a boorish oaf at all. Not someone I'd care to invite for dinner or an evening's bridge, but someone I'd vote for.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Can I vote for Love Love Peace Peace?

    They've totally played up the gay angle so well with the oiled up drummers, and that girl licking the butter plunger! And the grannies - I remember them. The whole thing had me crying with laughter
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371
    UK may not come in the last five this year!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,371
    edited May 2016
    Malta gives us 12 points!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    Blimey, Malta usually give us nothing!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Uk douze points! Vote Remain!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    No nul points this year.
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    bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    Germany in last place. Boris wrong again!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    There must be a good chance that next year's Eurovision will be held in the UK, France or Spain - three big contributors who have not hosted it recently.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    Uk douze points! Vote Remain!

    Non-EU member (and not even Europe member) Australia in the lead. Vote Leave!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:
    That's the problem with "The thick of it" if you're in politics. You do something stupid, and Malcolm Tucker has seen something like it and put it down....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Russia having Ukranian tanks parked on its lawn...
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2016


    ComRes: By two-to-one margin, 45% to 21%, voters say that Boris Johnson is “more likely to tell the truth about the EU” than David Cameron.

    At what point will the head of BSE, Will Straw, tell Cameron that he must STFU and not represent REMAIN anymore?

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    bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    Germany awards Douze Points to Israel - Livingstone was right!
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