Agreed Mike. This revelation about Boris's flagrant contradictions is incendiary. It could prove lethal both to him and Leave more generally. What the hell was he thinking of? Did he just forget what he'd written for The Telegraph? Did he write it when drunk?
Agreed Mike. This revelation about Boris's flagrant contradictions is incendiary. It could prove lethal both to him and Leave more generally. What the hell was he thinking of? Did he just forget what he'd written for The Telegraph? Did he write it when drunk?
Trust me, it will not make any difference to leave and little to his ambitions (which didn't seem likely to be fulfilled anyway.)
That Freedland article is interesting. I actually took it on good faith from some of the Leavers on here that Cameron banged on about 'World War III' in his speech the other day. It was mentioned umpteen times. Yet Freedland reveals Dave said no such thing. I should have known better.
Could be worse. He could've gone from claiming he might recommend we leave to claiming a Leave vote could lead to World War Three.
Well in a few short weeks he has gone from thinking about recommending we stay to saying it would be utterly catastrophic if we did remain.
Which sort of sums up why the public think that politicians talk rubbish.
Boris, Cameron and Corbyn can all be argued to have changed their minds, and disagreeing with the first 2 would lead to hell on earth.... It's rubbish.
That Freedland article is interesting. I actually took it on good faith from some of the Leavers on here that Cameron banged on about 'World War III' in his speech the other day. It was mentioned umpteen times. Yet Freedland reveals Dave said no such thing. I should have known better.
It was apparently in the press releases sent to the press whos headlines caused a re write of the speech on the grounds they all laughed.
Mr. Observer, but not global war. Cameron's only rival in the hyperbole game is Miliband's destruction of the Earth nonsense.
Mr. White, I agree, but the question is who's laughing? If it's floating voters, Remain's in deep trouble. If it's committed Leavers, it makes little difference (and may make Leave cocky and complacent).
Mr. Observer, but not global war. Cameron's only rival in the hyperbole game is Miliband's destruction of the Earth nonsense.
Mr. White, I agree, but the question is who's laughing? If it's floating voters, Remain's in deep trouble. If it's committed Leavers, it makes little difference (and may make Leave cocky and complacent).
It's unenthusiastic remainers who may then float in this case.
That Freedland article is interesting. I actually took it on good faith from some of the Leavers on here that Cameron banged on about 'World War III' in his speech the other day. It was mentioned umpteen times. Yet Freedland reveals Dave said no such thing. I should have known better.
On the scale of the lies told about Iraq, immigration, the banks, government debt and university tuition fees I doubt these are going to register very high.
Boris Johnson is pretty unremarkable as a politician. His legacy from being mayor of London seems to be those bikes you can hire and route master buses! Not a very great footnote in history. Even Ken Livingstone left more of a legacy with his congestion charge and the revenue raising powers encapsulated by its imposition. This is from a person who cannot stand Livingstone and his slimy voice and mannerisms.
I can never understand why Boris is given a free ride in the media, he is just a complete joke with pretty poor judgement. I don't think Johnson is fit to be PM, he would be a disaster once the novelty wore off. I don't think much of autistic Osborne either as a replacement for Cameron.
One person I do think looks right for the role as PM is the Chief Whip, Mark Harper. He would not be the first Chief Whip to get to No.10 either as Ted Heath was Chief Whip in the 1950s. But for Harper to become PM, it would mean Cameron staying on until 2019 as Harper would need a stint in a great office of state and the media exposure linked to such a role. Harper is obviously trusted as he is Chief Whip in a parliament where the Government has a slim majority, so we shall see.
This may make Boris less able to be PM but it is worth pointing out that some politicians can get away with changing positions whilst others can't.
Churchill anyone?
I'm not saying Boris is Churchill before anyone starts an argument but his career was littered with wrong decisions and a changed mind or two.
Perhaps Boris meant that TTIP was "Churchillian" in the sense of being a half baked scheme, poorly thought through and destined to fail. Winston had plenty of these (though clearly in the 1940-43 period was the man of the moment who put the backbone into our fight against nazism).
That Freedland article is interesting. I actually took it on good faith from some of the Leavers on here that Cameron banged on about 'World War III' in his speech the other day. It was mentioned umpteen times. Yet Freedland reveals Dave said no such thing. I should have known better.
I heard Cameron talking about the First Wold War and the Second World War and then saying the EU then stopped such things and that the UK LEAVING the EU would increase the risk of such things happening again.
The betting markets and the vast majority of PBers in the Feb 29th Nojam think so!
I think I went 58-42 Remain. Things are not playing out quite as I expected - I still think a comfortable Remain win is likely, but I'm not nearly as sure now.
This may make Boris less able to be PM but it is worth pointing out that some politicians can get away with changing positions whilst others can't.
Churchill anyone?
I'm not saying Boris is Churchill before anyone starts an argument but his career was littered with wrong decisions and a changed mind or two.
Perhaps Boris meant that TTIP was "Churchillian" in the sense of being a half baked scheme, poorly thought through and destined to fail. Winston had plenty of these (though clearly in the 1940-43 period was the man of the moment who put the backbone into our fight against nazism).
Or perhaps my local MP thinks Boris reminds him of his grandfather? Who knows.
Aren't this and the previous thread published in the wrong order? The Eurovision one should have been for this evening. The Spanish, Bulgarian and even the French entries are surprisingly good this year. But I think the top 4 will be Russia, Australia, Sweden and Ukraine although not necessarily in that order. Betfair had the UK at 3.4 to finish 22nd or lower which looks a bit of value for a bottom 5 finish. We're 3rd in the betting to finish last with Germany as favourites.
The betting markets and the vast majority of PBers in the Feb 29th Nojam think so!
I think I went 58-42 Remain. Things are not playing out quite as I expected - I still think a comfortable Remain win is likely, but I'm not nearly as sure now.
It would be interesting to have a second NoJam on the subject (he says still flushed with his victory in the London mayoral contest). I went for Leave on 41.57 and a 67% turnout. I may have been a little optomistic on the turnout.
So fellow PBers whose opinions should we discount:
Boris for getting the exchange rate wrong ? Osborne for borrowing £172bn more than he said he would ? Cameron for lying about "paying down Britain's debts" ?
Or we could ignore them all and try to think for ourselves.
The betting markets and the vast majority of PBers in the Feb 29th Nojam think so!
I think I went 58-42 Remain. Things are not playing out quite as I expected - I still think a comfortable Remain win is likely, but I'm not nearly as sure now.
It would be interesting to have a second NoJam on the subject (he says still flushed with his victory in the London mayoral contest). I went for Leave on 41.57 and a 67% turnout. I may have been a little optomistic on the turnout.
I went 72% turnout! Of course, we've all seen Jack's ARSE since then so that may make a difference.
The possibility of any candidate gaining the Tory leadership depends critically on securing first or second place in an exhaustive ballot of Tory MPs. Who are those two people likely to be? Is Boris likely to be one of them? And, since this a betting site, what are the estimated odds for Boris (and May, Gove etc.)?
On the scale of the lies told about Iraq, immigration, the banks, government debt and university tuition fees I doubt these are going to register very high.
Boris has not yet been in a position where he's been able to tell a Big Lie. But his track record indicates he would have no compunction in doing so.
Not only is Boris an enigma, so is his family history unless someone can clear this up.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
' Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal Wilfred Johnson and Irene Williams, daughter of Stanley F. Williams of Bromley, Kent, by his marriage to Marie Louise de Pfeffel (or Freiin von Pfeffel) in Paris on 15 August 1882.[2] His paternal grandfather Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman Empire government, was assassinated during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born Osman Wilfred Kemal or Osman Ali in England in Bournemouth, Hampshire, in 1909, his Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred dying shortly after giving birth.
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
On the scale of the lies told about Iraq, immigration, the banks, government debt and university tuition fees I doubt these are going to register very high.
Boris has not yet been in a position where he's been able to tell a Big Lie. But his track record indicates he would have no compunction in doing so.
I don't doubt that for a minute.
It is the standard assumption most people have about most politicians.
Not only is Boris an enigma, so is his family history unless someone can clear this up.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
' Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal Wilfred Johnson and Irene Williams, daughter of Stanley F. Williams of Bromley, Kent, by his marriage to Marie Louise de Pfeffel (or Freiin von Pfeffel) in Paris on 15 August 1882.[2] His paternal grandfather Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman Empire government, was assassinated during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born Osman Wilfred Kemal or Osman Ali in England in Bournemouth, Hampshire, in 1909, his Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred dying shortly after giving birth.
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
I thought they took on the Johnson name because they were here during the First World War, and with The Ottoman Empire siding with the Germans, it was thought it was apt to change their family name to something a bit more English.
I've believe the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family did the same.
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Well, at least it's not a superembargo and we can actually talk about it without fear of being sued....
Mr. Eagles, alas, that's likely a made up tale (fortunately for Edward II).
I know, but it made us all laugh.
I've realised with that story, and all those tales of the sexual appetites of the Romans & Greeks, no wonder my mind has been in the gutter since the age of 12.
The Eddie Mair interview with Boris Johnson set the standard."You're a nasty piece of work,aren't you?" is devastating.The 5-2 back price is joke.He is simply not fit for the office of Primus Inter Pares.Of those Tories in the Leave camp,Gove is surely better value at 8-1.He was even better at 28-1.For the Tory right,and another from the Leave camp,Liam Fox continues to poll well in Con Home polls,far better than the 40-1he's currently priced at. For the next Tory leader,lay Johnson,back Gove and back Fox at 40-1.
Not only is Boris an enigma, so is his family history unless someone can clear this up.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
' Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal Wilfred Johnson and Irene Williams, daughter of Stanley F. Williams of Bromley, Kent, by his marriage to Marie Louise de Pfeffel (or Freiin von Pfeffel) in Paris on 15 August 1882.[2] His paternal grandfather Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman Empire government, was assassinated during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born Osman Wilfred Kemal or Osman Ali in England in Bournemouth, Hampshire, in 1909, his Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred dying shortly after giving birth.
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
I thought they took on the Johnson name because they were here during the First World War, and with The Ottoman Empire siding with the Germans, it was thought it was apt to change their family name to something a bit more English.
I've believe the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family did the same.
So if Churchill hadn't seized the Turkish dreadnoughts Boris Kemal would have been London's Mayor.
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
Cameron DID say that that a Brexit would leave to war. No if's, no buts. So what war would that be, and with whom? So grow up @Stark_Dawning or we will have to call you by your real name, @Stark_bonkers.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Good news, but rather deceptive. Electricity demand is quite low at this time of year, while the days are long. This means that coal generation, being expensive and polluting, can be shut down, while conditions are good for maximum solar generation. Come September, coal generation will be ramping up again to meet demand, while solar will be fading. Of course, coal is on the way out, being replaced with gas/renewables, but it'll take somewhat longer than this graph implies!
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Premature Publishing????????
Yeah, the worst embargo was during the Indyref, someone decided that a good time for an embargo to end was 2.01 am.
This may make Boris less able to be PM but it is worth pointing out that some politicians can get away with changing positions whilst others can't.
Churchill anyone?
I'm not saying Boris is Churchill before anyone starts an argument but his career was littered with wrong decisions and a changed mind or two.
Perhaps Boris meant that TTIP was "Churchillian" in the sense of being a half baked scheme, poorly thought through and destined to fail. Winston had plenty of these (though clearly in the 1940-43 period was the man of the moment who put the backbone into our fight against nazism).
Boris probably wished he'd made the bikes out of concrete and sunk them off the French coast.
Mr. K, Edward II survived years into the reign of Edward III, according to Ian Mortimer (who has written biographies of both Sir Roger Mortimer and Edward III, which are well worth reading).
The Eddie Mair interview with Boris Johnson set the standard."You're a nasty piece of work,aren't you?" is devastating.The 5-2 back price is joke.He is simply not fit for the office of Primus Inter Pares.Of those Tories in the Leave camp,Gove is surely better value at 8-1.He was even better at 28-1.For the Tory right,and another from the Leave camp,Liam Fox continues to poll well in Con Home polls,far better than the 40-1he's currently priced at. For the next Tory leader,lay Johnson,back Gove and back Fox at 40-1.
Can't see Fox say making any higher than 4th or 5th on a ballot of MPs
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
That all comes from the papers who were briefed the night before.
They all ridiculed the idea so either the briefings were wrong, all the papers made it up, or he changed the speech because he was laughed at,
Not only is Boris an enigma, so is his family history unless someone can clear this up.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
' Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal Wilfred Johnson and Irene Williams, daughter of Stanley F. Williams of Bromley, Kent, by his marriage to Marie Louise de Pfeffel (or Freiin von Pfeffel) in Paris on 15 August 1882.[2] His paternal grandfather Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman Empire government, was assassinated during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born Osman Wilfred Kemal or Osman Ali in England in Bournemouth, Hampshire, in 1909, his Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred dying shortly after giving birth.
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
I thought they took on the Johnson name because they were here during the First World War, and with The Ottoman Empire siding with the Germans, it was thought it was apt to change their family name to something a bit more English.
I've believe the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family did the same.
So if Churchill hadn't seized the Turkish dreadnoughts Boris Kemal would have been London's Mayor.
Indeed, I don't think Churchill was ever that keen on the Turks.
The Dardanelles offensive going mammary glands up on his watch had something to do with it.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Premature Publishing????????
Yeah, the worst embargo was during the Indyref, someone decided that a good time for an embargo to end was 2.01 am.
I had that poll since 12.30pm the previous day.
Are we getting an #EuRef question with tonight's ComRes?
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
It's the "reductio ad ridiculum" fallacy used as a rhetorical device. Exaggerate and ridicule.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Premature Publishing????????
Yeah, the worst embargo was during the Indyref, someone decided that a good time for an embargo to end was 2.01 am.
I had that poll since 12.30pm the previous day.
Are we getting an #EuRef question with tonight's ComRes?
I don't think so.
We're getting an avalanche of EU related questions though.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Premature Publishing????????
Yeah, the worst embargo was during the Indyref, someone decided that a good time for an embargo to end was 2.01 am.
I had that poll since 12.30pm the previous day.
Are we getting an #EuRef question with tonight's ComRes?
I don't think so.
We're getting an avalanche of EU related questions though.
What's the point of that if we don't get the only one that counts?
Not only is Boris an enigma, so is his family history unless someone can clear this up.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
' Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal Wilfred Johnson and Irene Williams, daughter of Stanley F. Williams of Bromley, Kent, by his marriage to Marie Louise de Pfeffel (or Freiin von Pfeffel) in Paris on 15 August 1882.[2] His paternal grandfather Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman Empire government, was assassinated during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born Osman Wilfred Kemal or Osman Ali in England in Bournemouth, Hampshire, in 1909, his Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred dying shortly after giving birth.
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
I thought they took on the Johnson name because they were here during the First World War, and with The Ottoman Empire siding with the Germans, it was thought it was apt to change their family name to something a bit more English.
I've believe the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family did the same.
So if Churchill hadn't seized the Turkish dreadnoughts Boris Kemal would have been London's Mayor.
Indeed, I don't think Churchill was ever that keen on the Turks.
The Dardanelles offensive going mammary glands up on his watch had something to do with it.
Liberals, as Churchill was at the time, were traditionally anti-Turkish.
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
Did you break the embargo? A session of thirty lashes in Mr and Mrs Jack W's "dungeon" in that case!
I've never broken an embargo. Is the most stressful thing for me, when I have embargoed polling and I'm scared I'll break it with a case of premature publishing.
Premature Publishing????????
Yeah, the worst embargo was during the Indyref, someone decided that a good time for an embargo to end was 2.01 am.
I had that poll since 12.30pm the previous day.
Are we getting an #EuRef question with tonight's ComRes?
I don't think so.
We're getting an avalanche of EU related questions though.
What's the point of that if we don't get the only one that counts?
Tut.
I believe ComRes think phone polls are more accurate on the referendum than online ones.
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
Why am I not surprised that it is Stark Dawning - fanatical and thoroughly dishonest cheerleader for Remain who is trying to rewrite history.
Let's just make this clear once and for all Stark when it comes to EU matters you cannot be trusted on anything. You are fundamentally dishonest.
Has always amused me that Piers Gaveston has caused both Boris Johnson and David Cameron so much grief.
The fact that they should belong to a society named in honour of the supposed homosexual lover of King Edward II has put them up in my estimation. According to wiki the society's motto is '(Sane) non memini ne audisse unum alterum ita dilixisse' which roughly translates as 'Truly, none remember hearing of a man enjoying another so much'
I was impressed by Sadiq's Guardian interview - basically gave Jezza and Moamentum both barrels as far as winning, gaining power, changing stuff and not engineering "yet another heroic failure". Top hole. I am warming to the guy if he keeps this up for next couple of years (even though my money was on Tessa to be the candidate).
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
That all comes from the papers who were briefed the night before.
They all ridiculed the idea so either the briefings were wrong, all the papers made it up, or he changed the speech because he was laughed at,
Could you provide a link to this press release that caused such hilarity? I'd like to see how it differs from what Cameron actually later went on to say.
Has always amused me that Piers Gaveston has caused both Boris Johnson and David Cameron so much grief.
The fact that they should belong to a society named in honour of the supposed homosexual lover of King Edward II has put them up in my estimation. According to wiki the society's motto is '(Sane) non memini ne audisse unum alterum ita dilixisse' which roughly translates as 'Truly, none remember hearing of a man enjoying another so much'
Neither of them were members, my friends who attended Oxford say the Ashcroft story was bollocks, there was no way you could be concurrently members of The Piers Gaveston Society and the Bullingdon Club.
On topic I think it would take a true Leave fanatic to claim that Boris has been anything but a mixed blessing for us.
His mere presence on the Leave side seems to be enough to gain considerable support. Which is a good job because the majority of the time what he actually says and does is as likely to set us back as help.
It's no surprise that Leave have been inventing quotations - saying that Cameron claimed that Brexit would result in the outbreak of a Third World War etc. Shouts of 'Project Fear', the notion that any predictions of a downside to Brexit can be blithely discounted, have been Leave's chief weapon. So by falsely attributing obviously over-the-top claims to high-profile Remainers, they hope to cast mistrust upon the utterances their opponents are genuinely making. It's ugly, but you can understand the tactic.
That all comes from the papers who were briefed the night before.
They all ridiculed the idea so either the briefings were wrong, all the papers made it up, or he changed the speech because he was laughed at,
Could you provide a link to this press release that caused such hilarity? I'd like to see how it differs from what Cameron actually later went on to say.
I said briefing not press release, and offered two other "equally plausible" explanations.
1. All the papers are secretly in cahoots with leave.
Has always amused me that Piers Gaveston has caused both Boris Johnson and David Cameron so much grief.
The fact that they should belong to a society named in honour of the supposed homosexual lover of King Edward II has put them up in my estimation. According to wiki the society's motto is '(Sane) non memini ne audisse unum alterum ita dilixisse' which roughly translates as 'Truly, none remember hearing of a man enjoying another so much'
Neither of them were members, my friends who attended Oxford say the Ashcroft story was bollocks, there was no way you could be concurrently members of The Piers Gaveston Society and the Bullingdon Club.
Perhaps it suits Cameron to have people believe he was a member of Piers Gaveston what with his gay marriage supporting, occasionally metrosexual image
Has always amused me that Piers Gaveston has caused both Boris Johnson and David Cameron so much grief.
The fact that they should belong to a society named in honour of the supposed homosexual lover of King Edward II has put them up in my estimation. According to wiki the society's motto is '(Sane) non memini ne audisse unum alterum ita dilixisse' which roughly translates as 'Truly, none remember hearing of a man enjoying another so much'
Neither of them were members, my friends who attended Oxford say the Ashcroft story was bollocks, there was no way you could be concurrently members of The Piers Gaveston Society and the Bullingdon Club.
Perhaps it suits Cameron to have people believe he was a member of Piers Gaveston what with his gay marriage supporting, occasionally metrosexual image
David Cameron voted to retain section 28.
The Bullingdon story came out the moment he ran to be Tory Leader, if he was a member of the Piers Gaveston, that too would have come out pretty sharpish, not a decade later.
@georgegalloway: After discussions with my friends in the labour movement I've decided not to run in Tooting. The dangers of a Tory victory are too great.
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Churchill anyone?
I'm not saying Boris is Churchill before anyone starts an argument but his career was littered with wrong decisions and a changed mind or two.
Or flush his career as seems more likely at this point
On another note had the radio on at work for the radio 4 news. Christine Lagarde gave her very serious warning..
"It could be from pretty bad to very very bad"
A colleague laughed and laughed. Sounded like a monty python skit to him.
When there laughing at you... you've lost them.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-interview-eddie-mair
Boris, Cameron and Corbyn can all be argued to have changed their minds, and disagreeing with the first 2 would lead to hell on earth.... It's rubbish.
Mr. White, I agree, but the question is who's laughing? If it's floating voters, Remain's in deep trouble. If it's committed Leavers, it makes little difference (and may make Leave cocky and complacent).
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/spain-pre-race-2016.html
Worst start to a season for quite some time.
On the scale of the lies told about Iraq, immigration, the banks, government debt and university tuition fees I doubt these are going to register very high.
I can never understand why Boris is given a free ride in the media, he is just a complete joke with pretty poor judgement. I don't think Johnson is fit to be PM, he would be a disaster once the novelty wore off. I don't think much of autistic Osborne either as a replacement for Cameron.
One person I do think looks right for the role as PM is the Chief Whip, Mark Harper. He would not be the first Chief Whip to get to No.10 either as Ted Heath was Chief Whip in the 1950s. But for Harper to become PM, it would mean Cameron staying on until 2019 as Harper would need a stint in a great office of state and the media exposure linked to such a role. Harper is obviously trusted as he is Chief Whip in a parliament where the Government has a slim majority, so we shall see.
I heard Cameron talking about the First Wold War and the Second World War and then saying the EU then stopped such things and that the UK LEAVING the EU would increase the risk of such things happening again.
For writing purposes, I had to look up what murder of one's wife was (Latin, rather than Greek) = uxoricide.
The Eurovision one should have been for this evening.
The Spanish, Bulgarian and even the French entries are surprisingly good this year.
But I think the top 4 will be Russia, Australia, Sweden and Ukraine although not necessarily in that order.
Betfair had the UK at 3.4 to finish 22nd or lower which looks a bit of value for a bottom 5 finish.
We're 3rd in the betting to finish last with Germany as favourites.
His great-grandfather was Ali Kemal. But his dad's surname is Johnson. How did Kemal morph into Johnson ?
Was being born on the wrong side of the blanket involved ? Probably not as it would have been a big deal in those days.
Boris for getting the exchange rate wrong ?
Osborne for borrowing £172bn more than he said he would ?
Cameron for lying about "paying down Britain's debts" ?
Or we could ignore them all and try to think for ourselves.
Brilliant news !
After Ali Kemal returned to Turkey in 1912, Stanley's father and aunt were brought up by their English grandmother Margaret Brun (née Johnson) and took her maiden name, Stanley's father becoming simply Wilfred Johnson. '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Johnson_(writer)
Y'all have to wait until then to officially discuss it.
It is the standard assumption most people have about most politicians.
Although I don't think which coal mines to be reopened was specified - the ones shut by Blair or the ones shut by Wilson.
And Mike Smithson is doing all he can to help that narrative along, along with weasel Freedland and fatty Soames.
OGH has nailed his remain credentials firmly to the greasy pole.
I've believe the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family did the same.
Edited for the purposes of mirth.
Who knew tales of sticking red hot pokers up people's bums would appeal to school children so much
I've realised with that story, and all those tales of the sexual appetites of the Romans & Greeks, no wonder my mind has been in the gutter since the age of 12.
For the next Tory leader,lay Johnson,back Gove and back Fox at 40-1.
I had that poll since 12.30pm the previous day.
They all ridiculed the idea so either the briefings were wrong, all the papers made it up, or he changed the speech because he was laughed at,
The Dardanelles offensive going mammary glands up on his watch had something to do with it.
We're getting an avalanche of EU related questions though.
Tut.
https://twitter.com/JeremyJHardy/status/731469546062815232
Was Racked With Nerves For All To See
For A Polling Embargo
Caused An Ejaculation No Show
And His Red Shoes Were All A Go Go
Let's just make this clear once and for all Stark when it comes to EU matters you cannot be trusted on anything. You are fundamentally dishonest.
If he can't get his father or brother to back Leave, how's he going to persuade the country?
1. Saying I voted independent last election confused them cos of my being in the people's republic of bercow and so couldn't vote blue, red or orange.
2. Expect a surge to remain from tory voters.
3. Corbyn is very satisfactory but not ready to be PM.
4. Interesting Qs on Europe including Dave vs Boris quotes re European war risk and also how satisfied I am with QE2, Charles and William.
The Mail I presume???
I was impressed by Sadiq's Guardian interview - basically gave Jezza and Moamentum both barrels as far as winning, gaining power, changing stuff and not engineering "yet another heroic failure". Top hole. I am warming to the guy if he keeps this up for next couple of years (even though my money was on Tessa to be the candidate).
His mere presence on the Leave side seems to be enough to gain considerable support. Which is a good job because the majority of the time what he actually says and does is as likely to set us back as help.
1. All the papers are secretly in cahoots with leave.
2. The person doing the briefing made it up.
The Bullingdon story came out the moment he ran to be Tory Leader, if he was a member of the Piers Gaveston, that too would have come out pretty sharpish, not a decade later.