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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988

    As it nears time to bid everyone a good night's rest I would just say I cannot recall a time when each morning I wonder what on earth is going to be the headlines not least because Trump is awake and destroying much that we have taken for granted for most of my lifetime

    Anyway, good night to one and all and let's hope that decency and integrity are given a chance even if these are very dark days

    Sweet dreams, Big_G...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080
    @rothschildmd.bsky.social‬

    America is lurching into a late Soviet stupor, where nothing works, government doesn't do anything, the leader is a decrepit husk, and the wealthiest cronies of the leader steal everything they can rip off the walls while the people starve.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rothschildmd.bsky.social/post/3ljj2lu3nkk2z
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,482
    Scott_xP said:

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    @DPJHodges

    Is anyone going to actually point out Donald Trump is going mad. Not doing politically dubious things. But entering literal madness.
    In one or two recent clips I've seen of him, he reminds me of my grandfather before he passed. Touch of what we now call dementia. Just a bit angry, a little confused about what he'd said the day before, occasionally lash out at people who tried to help as he didn't believe he needed it as he didn't understand what he'd done an hour before.

    We've had complaints about the US press covering for Biden before. It wouldn't surprise me to see it again for another similarly aged president. Maybe that's why JD felt he had to step into the conversation on Friday.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    Then he's done a shit fucking job because his idiotic outbursts and anti-Canada policies have destroyed the CPC recovery and now the Liberals will cling onto power.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,254

    Scott_xP said:

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    @DPJHodges

    Is anyone going to actually point out Donald Trump is going mad. Not doing politically dubious things. But entering literal madness.
    Some of us on PB have been saying this for ages.
    Indeed. Slowly people are catching up though.

    I still think things will get a hell of a lot worse. All kinds of crazy stuff that would have been met with derision a few months ago is now occurring. And there are things I can see happening that even today people would think I'm nuts if I suggested them, but as each day passes I get more certain I'm sadly right about where we are headed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    @DPJHodges

    Is anyone going to actually point out Donald Trump is going mad. Not doing politically dubious things. But entering literal madness.
    Some of us on PB have been saying this for ages.
    Indeed. Slowly people are catching up though.

    I still think things will get a hell of a lot worse. All kinds of crazy stuff that would have been met with derision a few months ago is now occurring. And there are things I can see happening that even today people would think I'm nuts if I suggested them, but as each day passes I get more certain I'm sadly right about where we are headed.
    Yep.

    Americans are going to have to decide whether to fight to retain their republic. It is going to be brutal. Trump 2.0 is taking no prisoners and in the end the other side will have to decide likewise.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370
    Guardian hopecasting and trying to make excuses for previous eight years of chicken-licken journalism all in one article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/03/britain-is-back-did-ukraine-crisis-talks-create-a-post-brexit-turning-point

    A masterpiece of its genre.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    MaxPB said:

    I think the big wake up call for the US will be when Rolls Royce overtakes Lockheed (and maybe even Raytheon) in terms of market value, the US is destroying their defence sector at the moment and millions of very highly paid blue collar and white collar jobs in manufacturing and research. It's one thing for Trump to cut domestic defence spending, it's quite another for him to alienate all of Europe and push us down the road to excluding US companies from our supply chain within 5 years.

    This is going to get much messier than Trump has realised.

    'aint that the truth.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    MaxPB said:

    I think the big wake up call for the US will be when Rolls Royce overtakes Lockheed (and maybe even Raytheon) in terms of market value, the US is destroying their defence sector at the moment and millions of very highly paid blue collar and white collar jobs in manufacturing and research. It's one thing for Trump to cut domestic defence spending, it's quite another for him to alienate all of Europe and push us down the road to excluding US companies from our supply chain within 5 years.

    This is going to get much messier than Trump has realised.

    It’s not long since everyone was saying don’t buy the Leopard, as the Germans might not let you actually use it.
    Rheinmetal’s stock is up something like 50% in the last month.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370
    edited March 3
    MaxPB said:

    I think the big wake up call for the US will be when Rolls Royce overtakes Lockheed (and maybe even Raytheon) in terms of market value, the US is destroying their defence sector at the moment and millions of very highly paid blue collar and white collar jobs in manufacturing and research. It's one thing for Trump to cut domestic defence spending, it's quite another for him to alienate all of Europe and push us down the road to excluding US companies from our supply chain within 5 years.

    This is going to get much messier than Trump has realised.

    Wanted to ask google whether UK or US had more Rolls Royce operations, but Google AI thinks the car company and the jet engine company are the same:

    "While Rolls-Royce has significant operations in both the UK and the US, the key difference is that the majority of Rolls-Royce car production happens in the UK at their Goodwood facility, whereas the US operations are primarily focused on manufacturing aircraft engines, with their largest facility located in Indianapolis, Indiana, and heavily involved in defense aerospace contracts due to the special security arrangements allowed to the US subsidiary"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866
    carnforth said:

    Guardian hopecasting and trying to make excuses for previous eight years of chicken-licken journalism all in one article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/03/britain-is-back-did-ukraine-crisis-talks-create-a-post-brexit-turning-point

    A masterpiece of its genre.

    On the one level is hopecasting.
    On the other hand Starmer is now the only person capable of holding the transatliance together.

    In so doing, Wlwhatever happens, he's certainly raised Britain's international status compared to Sunak, Truss, May and Johnson.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866
    Sorry for the mobile typos.
    Transatlantic alliance.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 849
    carnforth said:

    Guardian hopecasting and trying to make excuses for previous eight years of chicken-licken journalism all in one article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/03/britain-is-back-did-ukraine-crisis-talks-create-a-post-brexit-turning-point

    A masterpiece of its genre.

    I don't see how this marks any change from the Guardian's usual view that the UK should realign with the EU? Including the usual quotes from Anand Menon
    Agree that it's hope casting, also sadly Peter Walker is typical of the current mediocre standard of Guardian journalism. Viner and nepotism are rendering it to a grey sludge. Sadly the FT is wincingly expensive
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    76-yo pro-wrestling executive Linda McMahon confirmed as Education Secretary.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,822
    MaxPB said:

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    Then he's done a shit fucking job because his idiotic outbursts and anti-Canada policies have destroyed the CPC recovery and now the Liberals will cling onto power.
    It’s still going to be hard going for the Libs as they’ve been in power for a long time . If Mark Carney wins the Lib leadership and becomes the new PM he really should go for a quick election and hope that Trumps unhinged Canada hate and tariffs are continuing . Poilievre is basically a career politician and that will count against him versus Carney .
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370

    76-yo pro-wrestling executive Linda McMahon confirmed as Education Secretary.

    Given the stated aim of some Republicans for decades has been to eliminate the department it's not clear why they need one.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    To make the chips in the US that Trump wants made there he needs know how that is 100% owned by the Taiwanese and specialist hardware which I think is mainly from European firms.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    Yokes said:

    Actually if you want to your money on someone getting a hole in the head, its not Trump, its Musk.

    Vance must be close behind in the firing line.
    An American friend of mine has a dark dark theory: Musk and Vance have started appearing with ther kids everywhere, on their shoulders and the like, because it makes an assassination attempt much more morally complex, and ergo less likely

    I'd usually dismiss it, but then I remember "they" tried to kill Trump at least twice, and came exceptionally close - and quite a few PBers openly expressed regrets that the guy in Pennsylvania missed
    Your friend has the lowest opinion yet of Musk and Vance. Astonishing that any father would put their kids in the firing line and hide behind them
    I said Musk was using his kid as a human shield on here weeks ago. It's fucking obvious.

    He is absolutely paranoid, I sincerely hope with good justification, about his personal security. His protection detail is now over 100 people. I also think it's why he's started travelling on AF1.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    To make the chips in the US that Trump wants made there he needs know how that is 100% owned by the Taiwanese and specialist hardware which I think is mainly from European firms.
    Tbf, Intel seems to be regaining much of their engineering skills base with 18A, they just showed matching SRAM density to TSMC 2nm and I've heard that yields for their next gen CPUs are up over 50%, not good enough for a GPU contract from Nvidia but definitely puts them in the frame for Apple and Qualcomm contracts.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    On the other hand, we don't necessarily need F35 equivalent planes: the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Dassault Mirage, and the Saab Grippen are all perfectly capable 4.5 Gen fighters.

    None of which can fly off our carriers
    Yep - it's a slight problem but go back even a year and I doubt anyone anywhere was saying that America was an untrustworthy partner..

    Are you fucking kidding? I, LG83 and a few others have been running that signal up the foremast stay on here for years.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816

    76-yo pro-wrestling executive Linda McMahon confirmed as Education Secretary.

    Someone's been observing our SEND unit.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Trump Net Approval:

    Jan 24: +8.2%
    Feb 7: +4.8%
    Feb 21: +1.5%
    Today: +0.1%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,234
    edited March 4
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    That would take years, in the meantime Trump is increasing US security assistance for Taiwan even as he reduces it for Ukraine

    https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/g-s1-50823/trump-china-taiwan-foreign-security-aid
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,080
    I still think on the upside its made it easier for us as a country to go through the divorce with America. Messy, but like others have said if it makes us poorer I really don’t care, such is my disdain for Trump
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    .
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    That would take years, in the meantime Trump is increasing US security assistance for Taiwan even as he reduces it for Ukraine

    https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/g-s1-50823/trump-china-taiwan-foreign-security-aid
    Thaf was last month.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    I call bingo - Susan Collins is officially "concerned" again.

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1896702662701207593
    @SenatorCollins on Trump’s tariffs: “I'm very concerned about the tariffs going into effect...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    Bloody hell!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,234
    edited March 4
    Nigelb said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    That would take years, in the meantime Trump is increasing US security assistance for Taiwan even as he reduces it for Ukraine

    https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/g-s1-50823/trump-china-taiwan-foreign-security-aid
    Thaf was last month.
    It was 7 days ago, Trump's administration is unfreezing $870 million in security assistance for Taiwan.

    Not one European or western nation even recognises Taiwan as an independent nation (apart from the Holy See) so they would all do sod all if China invaded it, at least Trump's administration is giving them some support even as he cuts it for Ukraine.

    Getting a Taiwan semiconductor business to invest in the US makes sense though as additional US security for its chips
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    NYT:

    Ukraine aid: The United States is temporarily suspending all military aid to Ukraine, according to a senior administration official, who said the aid would not resume until President Trump determined that Ukraine had demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. The order is to take effect immediately, affecting hundreds of million of dollars in arms and ammunition in the pipelines and on order. The decision comes amid the fallout of a heated Oval Office meeting on Friday between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.
  • MaxPB said:

    Tbf, Intel seems to be regaining much of their engineering skills base with 18A, they just showed matching SRAM density to TSMC 2nm and I've heard that yields for their next gen CPUs are up over 50%, not good enough for a GPU contract from Nvidia but definitely puts them in the frame for Apple and Qualcomm contracts.

    Intel still has many weaknesses. A big one is packaging, they've never managed to get multi-die packages to anywhere near the sophistication TSMC has. That's enabled AMD to leverage TSMC's advantage to almost eliminate Intel from the gaming market and make substantial progress pushing them out of the datacentre also.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769

    NYT:

    Ukraine aid: The United States is temporarily suspending all military aid to Ukraine, according to a senior administration official, who said the aid would not resume until President Trump determined that Ukraine had demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. The order is to take effect immediately, affecting hundreds of million of dollars in arms and ammunition in the pipelines and on order. The decision comes amid the fallout of a heated Oval Office meeting on Friday between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

    He's temporarily suspending help until Ukraine surrenders, after which he will permanently suspend them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    The U.S. Treasury Department has said it would not enforce an anti-money laundering law that obliges millions of business entities to disclose the identities of their real beneficial owners, per Reuters
    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1896387685222326618
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Trump Bid to Take Over Postal Service Could Threaten Mail Voting

    https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/trump-postal-service-executive-order-mail-voting-threat/
    President Donald Trump may soon attempt to absorb the U.S. Postal Service (USPS), an independent agency, into his administration by issuing an executive order that reportedly would dissolve the service’s leadership.

    The order could allow the Trump administration to make mail voting — which was used by tens of millions of voters last year — more difficult. Trump has repeatedly said he’d like to end the practice, falsely claiming it allows for widespread fraud.

    “Taking over the Postal Service just kind of opens up a whole Pandora’s box of mischief,” said Barbara Smith Warner, the executive director of National Vote at Home Institute, a nonprofit which works to increase voters’ access to and confidence in mail voting.

    “This is a way that the federal government could put a really big thumb on the scale and impact every state’s ability to run their own elections,” she added.

    The move will likely be swiftly challenged as a violation of the Constitution and the Postal Reorganization Act, an almost 55-year-old law that states: “The exercise of the power of the Postal Service shall be directed by a Board of Governors composed of 11 members.”

    However, if the executive order is upheld by courts — or if Trump ignores court orders against it — he would have immense power over mail delivery...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    Andy_JS said:

    Everything that's taking place in the USA is a reminder of what happens when around 50% of the voting public lose confidence in orthodox government as we've understood it since about 1945. I hope it doesn't happen in other western countries, but it could if the same mistakes are made.

    I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I'm surprised at how fast the American public have - for want of a better word - knelt. If Trump ignores court findings against him and enforcement measures are also ignored, then that speaks to a problem with the American people, not Trump. America's trump (ouch) card during the Cold War was its moral stance - freedom, fuck yeah. But this new transactional administration ignoring court orders is anti-freedom: you can't have freedom without law.

    And I know you know that, because we're (just finished) reading the same book... :(
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited March 4
    The U.S., has, however, approved an additional $4BN of weaponry to Israel this past weekend for its campaign against Hamas.

    This includes 40,000 2,000-pound bombs which the US military claim is “unsuitable for urban combat”.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    Damien Walter on the Orwell analogies for Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfHKsDaPmug (15 mins)
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,907
    Nigelb said:

    I call bingo - Susan Collins is officially "concerned" again.

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1896702662701207593
    @SenatorCollins on Trump’s tariffs: “I'm very concerned about the tariffs going into effect...

    She’s not the only one concerned.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896718215109111820?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,907

    76-yo pro-wrestling executive Linda McMahon confirmed as Education Secretary.

    I’m amazed the stuff about her husband and John Laurinaitas, and what they allegedly,did at the WWE, did not in any way taint her appointment.

    Surely as a senior executive she must have had some knowledge of the NDA’s.

    She also took a piledriver off Kane.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,902
    I've mostly lost interest in Trump and his appointments. It's obvious he's simply picking people who are going to most annoy his opponents.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    We predicted this the other day. The US (and rest of the world) needs to ensure they are covered in case China zaps Taiwan. The paradox is that this removes the need to defend Taiwan.

    The only possible good news for Taiwan is that China might move for the Chinese part of Siberia next. A land war between two nuclear powers. What could go wrong?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Andy_JS said:

    Everything that's taking place in the USA is a reminder of what happens when around 50% of the voting public lose confidence in orthodox government as we've understood it since about 1945. I hope it doesn't happen in other western countries, but it could if the same mistakes are made.

    No, that is what happens when a major party is taken over and retains its voters out of enthusiasm for the new ways, inertia, and because the other lot are worse. We saw this happen here with both the Conservative and Labour parties in living memory.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    ohnotnow said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NYT says nobody has a fucking clue about the motivation behind Trump’s anti-Canada policies, with some speculation that he simply doesn’t like Justin Trudeau.

    @DPJHodges

    Is anyone going to actually point out Donald Trump is going mad. Not doing politically dubious things. But entering literal madness.
    In one or two recent clips I've seen of him, he reminds me of my grandfather before he passed. Touch of what we now call dementia. Just a bit angry, a little confused about what he'd said the day before, occasionally lash out at people who tried to help as he didn't believe he needed it as he didn't understand what he'd done an hour before.

    We've had complaints about the US press covering for Biden before. It wouldn't surprise me to see it again for another similarly aged president. Maybe that's why JD felt he had to step into the conversation on Friday.
    iirc John Bolton said something along those lines. Trouble is, Bolton and Trump have been at each other's throats for years.

    On pb even Leon has conceded Trump has shown signs of marble lossage.

    Trouble is, Biden set the benchmark.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Andy_JS said:

    I've mostly lost interest in Trump and his appointments. It's obvious he's simply picking people who are going to most annoy his opponents.

    Trump is picking people he knows, whether because he has seen them on telly or has worked with them in the past. The McMahons who run WWE wrestling fall into the latter camp (Trump is even in the WWE Hall of Fame) as explained in this 2023 article:-

    Donald Trump's History With The WWE Explained
    https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1193431/donald-trumps-history-with-the-wwe-explained/

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    nico67 said:

    The lunatics really have taken over the asylum .

    It was really quite sad seeing Starmer having to stand there pretending the US was still an ally .

    Even in the extreme case that we have already decided to cut loose from the US entirely, the UK and our European allies would need a chunk of time to do the hard yards to establish the foundations for that independence, and meanwhile our leaders would have to pretend that we still want to be America’s best friend. That’s the invidious position that Starmer is in.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,975
    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    carnforth said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    Not sure you could say what you liked about him!

    There's a Two Ronnies sketch I remember but can't find with a quick check. Maybe a hotel reception desk? The final joke is one of the ronnies walking out from behind the desk with a huge furry tail attached. Anyone?
    @carnforth

    I think you’re thinking of the Morecambe and Wise vampire and dragon sketch.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    We can all do our bit. Who needs Netflix and Apple TV, anyway?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Yokes said:

    Actually if you want to your money on someone getting a hole in the head, its not Trump, its Musk.

    Vance must be close behind in the firing line.
    An American friend of mine has a dark dark theory: Musk and Vance have started appearing with ther kids everywhere, on their shoulders and the like, because it makes an assassination attempt much more morally complex, and ergo less likely

    I'd usually dismiss it, but then I remember "they" tried to kill Trump at least twice, and came exceptionally close - and quite a few PBers openly expressed regrets that the guy in Pennsylvania missed
    Which was stupid, because we'd have ended up with Vance instead.
    He hadn’t actually been nominated at that point. More likely it would have been De Santis.

    Not that he’s necessarily much better.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    Bloody hell!
    Andy_JS said:

    Everything that's taking place in the USA is a reminder of what happens when around 50% of the voting public lose confidence in orthodox government as we've understood it since about 1945. I hope it doesn't happen in other western countries, but it could if the same mistakes are made.

    Trump was voted in as an orthodox President, not least based on his cost of gas and his time served in term one. For some bizarre reason January 6th and his convictions were ignored. The majority didn't vote for the Dictatorship they got.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    It takes years to build though.

    So do the easy stuff now and you can spin out the value added for year 4…
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,975
    IanB2 said:

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    We can all do our bit. Who needs Netflix and Apple TV, anyway?
    No more Kellogs cornflakes nor GrapeNuts and any sauces that are of American origin. No holiday to anything American.
    No Pepsi or Coca Cola and the like No American beers...Burban etc.
    Let the US feel the power of the Consumer.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    Isn’t there a Twattish Petty Dictator Inn that he can be stuck in?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    Isn’t there a Twattish Petty Dictator Inn that he can be stuck in?
    Travelodge?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    Isn’t there a Twattish Petty Dictator Inn that he can be stuck in?
    Where did Pinochet stay a few years ago? He could have his suite. Failing that Turnbury.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Jonathan said:

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    Isn’t there a Twattish Petty Dictator Inn that he can be stuck in?
    Where did Pinochet stay a few years ago? He could have his suite. Failing that Turnbury.
    Would that bring him in range of @malcolmg and his ballistic turnips?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153
    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    Fucking LOL. AUKUS is looking good then.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob

    Hard to disagree with that assessment.
    A knob lacking in self awareness.

    Vance knocks Zelensky for ‘sense of entitlement’ after Oval Office spat
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5174313-vance-zelensky-fox-interview/

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    That's the only way Trump will ever be accused of having a big knob.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    Jonathan said:

    Trump is a mad bully. I hope all Companies refuse to trade with the USA to.make him see sense.. the only way to deal wilth a bully is to give him.some of his own medecine.
    I am sure the King can be indisposed at the time of Trumps visit.. if it now takes
    place.. let him stay in a Premier Inn

    Isn’t there a Twattish Petty Dictator Inn that he can be stuck in?
    Where did Pinochet stay a few years ago? He could have his suite. Failing that Turnbury.
    I hear Broadmoor is quite nice at this time of year
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    That's the only way Trump will ever be accused of having a big knob.
    The international grand order of knobs, wankers and arseholes has just filed a complaint against the Western Australian leader. “His comments are an insult to centuries of proud knobbery. “
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    Fucking LOL. AUKUS is looking good then.
    Are we going to withdraw? If so, Norway or Nepal might be appropriate replacements.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    edited March 4
    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    edited March 4
    Jonathan said:

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    One good thing about Trump is how he as brought people together. In the U.K. and on PB we’re currently pretty united. In the face of end of western alliances, it turns out there’s not that much between us. At least most of us.
    Absolutely - indeed we saw it in the commons yesterday and the obnoxious Farage received a welcome unwelcome
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Jonathan said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    Fucking LOL. AUKUS is looking good then.
    Are we going to withdraw? If so, Norway or Nepal might be appropriate replacements.
    Surely a knob is the one that withdraws?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob



    Fucking LOL. AUKUS is looking good then.
    Are we going to withdraw? If so, Norway or Nepal might be appropriate replacements.
    Surely a knob is the one that withdraws?
    Nah. A knob turns
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,001
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Western Australian premier Roger Cook calls US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/04/wa-premier-roger-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob

    Hard to disagree with that assessment.
    A knob lacking in self awareness.

    Vance knocks Zelensky for ‘sense of entitlement’ after Oval Office spat
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5174313-vance-zelensky-fox-interview/

    I’m looking forward to Vance and Co blasting others who have dressed “disrespectfully” in the White House since bad suits and ties are apparently the respectful mode of dress in the Oval Office.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,189
    Scott_xP said:

    @rothschildmd.bsky.social‬

    America is lurching into a late Soviet stupor, where nothing works, government doesn't do anything, the leader is a decrepit husk, and the wealthiest cronies of the leader steal everything they can rip off the walls while the people starve.

    https://bsky.app/profile/rothschildmd.bsky.social/post/3ljj2lu3nkk2z

    Ready to rejoin Starmer's Britain?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    I'm also getting the scam warning from the main site.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    I'm also getting the scam warning from the main site.
    Maybe needs looking into by @TSE or @rcs1000
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871
    Jonathan said:

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    One good thing about Trump is how he as brought people together. In the U.K. and on PB we’re currently pretty united. In the face of end of western alliances, it turns out there’s not that much between us. At least most of us.
    Yes, but we're not all aligned on the cause. There're still idiots blaming the Dems for Trump.

    Trump (and his party - and it is *his* party) were willing to say any lie to get elected. The truth is nowhere near as appealing as a lie.

    Especially the bad old "It's all someone else's fault!"

    We saw this with trans - people supporting Trump because he was anti-trans, supposedly to 'protect women'. Yet in doing so, they voted in Trump, himself an abuser and user of women, and helped Musk - whose companies have had to pay off women because of his actions. And also voted in a party that is systematically removing the rights of women.

    But the anti-trans people can sit back and know they've protected women. Not.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871
    Dolly Parton's husband has died. Famous for keeping out of the public eye - something I quite admire him for.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c241vp9yv1mo
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    Nigelb said:

    I call bingo - Susan Collins is officially "concerned" again.

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1896702662701207593
    @SenatorCollins on Trump’s tariffs: “I'm very concerned about the tariffs going into effect...

    Awful woman. Truly awful. She originally ran on the basis of retiring after two terms, reneged on that and then clutches her pearls ever harder as the US descends whilst ensuring she never ever acts as a brake. Barf.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Jonathan said:

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    One good thing about Trump is how he as brought people together. In the U.K. and on PB we’re currently pretty united. In the face of end of western alliances, it turns out there’s not that much between us. At least most of us.
    Yes, but we're not all aligned on the cause. There're still idiots blaming the Dems for Trump.

    Trump (and his party - and it is *his* party) were willing to say any lie to get elected. The truth is nowhere near as appealing as a lie.

    Especially the bad old "It's all someone else's fault!"

    We saw this with trans - people supporting Trump because he was anti-trans, supposedly to 'protect women'. Yet in doing so, they voted in Trump, himself an abuser and user of women, and helped Musk - whose companies have had to pay off women because of his actions. And also voted in a party that is systematically removing the rights of women.

    But the anti-trans people can sit back and know they've protected women. Not.
    Unfortunately, agreeing how we got here doesn’t really help us. There is no way back, we’re in a new world now.

    That being said, it may just help us deal with home grown putinists. The first task is to puncture their bubbles IMO. Flood the zone.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Good morning

    I said last night that waking in the morning you wonder what Trump has done overnight and this morning this is Skys breaking news

    Goodness me, also I cannot log on normally as I am getting a scam warning about the site so I am on vanilla

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pauses-us-military-aid-to-ukraine-13321048

    One good thing about Trump is how he as brought people together. In the U.K. and on PB we’re currently pretty united. In the face of end of western alliances, it turns out there’s not that much between us. At least most of us.
    Yes, but we're not all aligned on the cause. There're still idiots blaming the Dems for Trump.

    Trump (and his party - and it is *his* party) were willing to say any lie to get elected. The truth is nowhere near as appealing as a lie.

    Especially the bad old "It's all someone else's fault!"

    We saw this with trans - people supporting Trump because he was anti-trans, supposedly to 'protect women'. Yet in doing so, they voted in Trump, himself an abuser and user of women, and helped Musk - whose companies have had to pay off women because of his actions. And also voted in a party that is systematically removing the rights of women.

    But the anti-trans people can sit back and know they've protected women. Not.
    Unfortunately, agreeing how we got here doesn’t really help us. There is no way back, we’re in a new world now.

    That being said, it may just help us deal with home grown putinists. The first task is to puncture their bubbles IMO. Flood the zone.
    Keep an eye out for politicians and parties that give overly-simplistic answers to complex questions - especially when their answer is: "It's all someone else's fault!"

    Which has been Farage's shtick for decades. First everything that was wrong in the world was the fault of the EU; now it is the fault of immigrants.

    Oh, and mothers breast-feeding in public. It's their fault too.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    Who else is there still left on here, apart from glenn and our site idiot Leon?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    @rcs1000 Just got an net::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID message saying that the SSL certificate for .politicalbetting.com expired at 23:59:59 last night.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited March 4
    Telegraph's Ukraine the Latest.

    One of their presenters was invited to be one of the 8 or 9 who interviewed President Zelenskyy at the airport:

    Our Private Q&A with President Zelensky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Gjrs1A4NI

    As good as ever on the analysis. Interesting that they are diving back into history to keep their feet on the ground - one presenter remarks that he is working through Churchill's War Memoirs, and Christopher Walker's "Sleepwalkers", which is about how WW1 started.

    This segment: https://youtu.be/G6Gjrs1A4NI?t=2873 .
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,975
    edited March 4
    What Trump should be given is the Klingon worst insult to an individual ... and his or her family..Discommodation ie shunning

    https://youtu.be/5c2etjMl3WM?si=uMEfHn-imbOMFzux
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    Sandpit?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,777
    Jonathan said:

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    You cannot support both Trump and the UK .

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?
    Farage
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871
    Jonathan said:

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    You cannot support both Trump and the UK .

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?
    A good point, sadly. At the moment we do not appear to be too much a target of his (we are for Musk, though...). But I do not see that continuing. Anyone not fully on board with MAGA is an enemy to Trump.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    Sandpit?
    Well yes, but he's slunk off now the waveforms have totally collapsed and what was obvious to everyone must now be obvious to him. He's an intelligent chap.

    I bet he's still a fan of Musk, though.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Jonathan said:

    You cannot support both Trump and Ukraine.

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?

    You cannot support both Trump and the UK .

    Does anyone actually disagree with this now?
    Farage
    Farage needs to feel a hurricane of free speech telling him that we’re not going to sell out to Putin and Trump.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    There have been two times in the last four and a bit years when I have felt afraid in a way that I had never felt afraid before. Am I just getting to be a fearful old man, or for a person who grew up on the hope of the Berlin Wall coming down, are we genuinely living in more dangerous times, when the future is uncertain and could rapidly deteriorate if we are led badly?

    Those two times were:
    1. On January 6th 2021, when an attempt to overthrow democracy in the US was made by a mob storming the US capitol.
    2. On February 24th 2022, when Russian tanks headed across the border towards Kyiv.

    Having Trump end military support for Ukraine is not quite at the same level. I've seen it coming for months so the shock value isn't quite there. It's not that far off, though. The sustained and vitriolic attack by Trump and his mobster cronies on Zelenskyy, parroting Russia's propaganda, is sickening.

    The one bit of good news that I did hear yesterday was a statement from the CDU's Merz, calling the White House argument premeditated. There's hope that some of Europe's politicians get it, and see what is happening clearly.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited March 4
    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    I think the fly in the ointment is time. You don't shift umpteen major silicon fabs in a couple of years; I don't see it happening by the end of this Govt in the USA, or whilst Trump is vaguely compos mentis.

    That throws up the risk of his regime continuing, or him, being replaced, or overriding US democracy.

    I'm not sure how it applies, but corporations can be amoral. Both Ford and IBM operated in Germany through WW2.

    NYT:

    Ukraine aid: The United States is temporarily suspending all military aid to Ukraine, according to a senior administration official, who said the aid would not resume until President Trump determined that Ukraine had demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. The order is to take effect immediately, affecting hundreds of million of dollars in arms and ammunition in the pipelines and on order. The decision comes amid the fallout of a heated Oval Office meeting on Friday between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

    This sounds depressingly symmetrical enough to appeal to the type of mind that is in Trump's administration.

    To my mind there are shades of Oliver North and Iran-Contra. Get something from one place and use it somewhere else because that is convenient.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707

    Sorry for the mobile typos.
    Transatlantic alliance.

    I like this concept.

    "Mobile typos" sounds like a get a different set every time I reread the same comment.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Uh oh.
    There goes Taiwan.

    Trump on relocating chips manufacturing to the US: "It will at least give us a position where we have in this very very important business, we would have a very big part of it in the US if something should happen with Taiwan."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896652085367542270

    Clueless moron.

    I think the fly in the ointment is time. You don't shift umpteen major silicon fabs in a couple of years; I don't see it happening by the end of this Govt in the USA, or whilst Trump is vaguely compos mentis.

    That throws up the risk of his regime continuing, or him, being replaced, or overriding US democracy.

    I'm not sure how it applies, but corporations can be amoral. Both Ford and IBM operated in Germany through WW2.
    And many American companies helped the USSR industrialise after the great depression. It was a good earner at the time.

    The thing is though, I am unsure whether it was a good or bad thing. It ignored the massive amount of human rights abuses Stalin was committing, but the vast industry it created helped Russia in WW2. However it was also used against the west *after* WW2.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,738
    maxh said:

    Trump Net Approval:

    Jan 24: +8.2%
    Feb 7: +4.8%
    Feb 21: +1.5%
    Today: +0.1%

    That he remains at +0.1% is a horrifying indictment of America.
    That puts the bed the idea that those who voted for him have been betrayed.

    You can't coddle Reform/MAGA out of existence. Their behaviour is more cult than politics. Debate and challenge often embeds their views further. There might be something in levelling up, in lower immigration in the long run - but you get the sense nothing will ever suffice.
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