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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    edited March 3

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Why do people not like Donald Trump? Nate White's response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

    And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

    This is cringe-worthy shite, with a large dash of excruciating British snobbery. Trump is genuinely funny. He might be worse than Hitler or a nastier version of Caligula, or merely a grim parallel with Pinochet, but he IS funny. If you watch him without prejudice - hard for many of middling wits - you will see it. Probably beyond you
    You're a connoisseur of autocrats, though,
    Humour is a matter of taste, and you've always had a soft spot for the fash-adjacent.

    I can certainly appreciate his rhetorical timing, in small doses, but he's about as funny as a well timed fart.
    I'm just bored of these halfwitted takes on Trump, and all things Trumpian

    He IS funny, it's actually part of his skillset. He can take the piss out of himself, he is also very good at a brutal, funny putdown

    Now, you don't HAVE to laugh. I'd have found it hard to laugh at a Hitler joke even if Adolf was as good as Eddie Izzard in his prime. But that viral, self regarding, cringey British screed about "Trump being utterly humourless" - predictably reiterated by classic centrist dad @kjh - is simply wince-worthy

    It also enables Trump, and empowers him, that his enemies are driven so mad by him they cannot see him clearly and accurately. That is to his advantage
    I don't deny your point.
    Just saying that I don't find his humour funny at all.
    It's an interesting experiment

    eg Imagine if Hitler was funny. There is zero evidence (that I know) that he WAS remotely amusing. But imagine if you met Hitler and he WAS funny, that would induce intense, painful cognitive dissonance

    Josef Goebbels was properly funny, by all accounts - a waspish and subtle wit, laced with irony. That's creepy

    A late friend of mine, a gifted photographer and writer, met some of the nastiest of the Khmer Rouge elite - the real c*nts who deliberately ordered the deaths - in the cruellest ways - of millions

    He told me the worst thing about it was that they were charming. They were generally very bright, they had exquisite manners and cultured minds acquired in Paris of the 50s where they all learned Maoism as students (and many were from quite wealthy, civilised families)

    It freaked out my friend, that these evil people could charm him and make him laugh
    Chamberlain found Hitler funny apparently and admitted, despite himself, to rather
    liking him. Said he had a great 'Austrian' sense of humour.
    I've never considered that Austrian humour would be different from German.
    @Roger could learn a thing or two from the Austrians

    They convinced the world that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler German…
    Coined by Billy Wilder I think, who was a very funny man.
    Of course he was Austro-Hungarian (Polish) rather than echt Austrian.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,853
    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080
    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765
    edited March 3
    Tesla peaked at $488 in mid December 2024.

    Closed today at $284 - so down 42% from peak.

    But it's still up a huge amount compared to earlier dates - eg:

    Up 35% compared to six months ago.

    Up 51% compared to a year ago.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited March 3
    Although I’m very interested in history, I tend to avoid Hitler and the Nazis.

    I presume Adolf had a kind of “southern country” sense of humour. Think whatever the German-speaking equivalent of Australian, or perhaps Yorkshire, humour might be. Broad and earthy.

    Perhaps Neville Chamberlain, as a kind of Brummie, appreciated that.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Why do people not like Donald Trump? Nate White's response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

    And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

    This is cringe-worthy shite, with a large dash of excruciating British snobbery. Trump is genuinely funny. He might be worse than Hitler or a nastier version of Caligula, or merely a grim parallel with Pinochet, but he IS funny. If you watch him without prejudice - hard for many of middling wits - you will see it. Probably beyond you
    You're a connoisseur of autocrats, though,
    Humour is a matter of taste, and you've always had a soft spot for the fash-adjacent.

    I can certainly appreciate his rhetorical timing, in small doses, but he's about as funny as a well timed fart.
    I'm just bored of these halfwitted takes on Trump, and all things Trumpian

    He IS funny, it's actually part of his skillset. He can take the piss out of himself, he is also very good at a brutal, funny putdown

    Now, you don't HAVE to laugh. I'd have found it hard to laugh at a Hitler joke even if Adolf was as good as Eddie Izzard in his prime. But that viral, self regarding, cringey British screed about "Trump being utterly humourless" - predictably reiterated by classic centrist dad @kjh - is simply wince-worthy

    It also enables Trump, and empowers him, that his enemies are driven so mad by him they cannot see him clearly and accurately. That is to his advantage
    I don't deny your point.
    Just saying that I don't find his humour funny at all.
    It's an interesting experiment

    eg Imagine if Hitler was funny. There is zero evidence (that I know) that he WAS remotely amusing. But imagine if you met Hitler and he WAS funny, that would induce intense, painful cognitive dissonance

    Josef Goebbels was properly funny, by all accounts - a waspish and subtle wit, laced with irony. That's creepy

    A late friend of mine, a gifted photographer and writer, met some of the nastiest of the Khmer Rouge elite - the real c*nts who deliberately ordered the deaths - in the cruellest ways - of millions

    He told me the worst thing about it was that they were charming. They were generally very bright, they had exquisite manners and cultured minds acquired in Paris of the 50s where they all learned Maoism as students (and many were from quite wealthy, civilised families)

    It freaked out my friend, that these evil people could charm him and make him laugh
    Chamberlain found Hitler funny apparently and admitted, despite himself, to rather liking him. Said he had a great 'Austrian' sense of humour.
    I've never considered that Austrian humour would be different from German.
    I've read quite a lot about Hitler - like any male interested in history! - and I have found zero evidence that Hitler made a single decent joke. And I have read verbatim accounts of his table talk

    He was properly bright. An autodidact. He was very cultured in a very narrow way - Wagner and Wagnerian opera etc

    But funny? - I've never seen a hint

    Perhaps - like some Teutons - his humour was slapstick and scatalogic: hahahaha he's fallen over into the dungheap - and you had to be there

    Brits really do have, at their best, probably the subtlest sense of humour on earth (with other Anglophone nations following). It must be God's way of making up for the weather and for Wick

    Also Jews, Jews are bloody funny. Israelis sadly less so
    Being the underdog makes people funny. Finding humour in a grim situation. Jews, Irish, African Americans, working class Brits... all fantastic sources of comedic talent. It's hard to think of any mindset less conducive to comedy than that of the Nazis, people who literally consider themselves to be at the apex of some racial hierarchy
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots

    When is Rubio going to walk?

    Every day his soul shrivels a little more.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    I am assuming that Trump green lighting Putin means he can unleash fire and brimstone on Ukraine with little recourse. I don't see Starmer and Macron have the time to put in place a plan B and Germany are reluctant to intervene anyway.

    I have always been nervous of nukes. That remains our last lever to dissuade Putin from Armageddon. Grim.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866
    This business about the FBI no longer investigating Russian interference, is pretty concerning.
    Not much coverage in the UK.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672
    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672
    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots

    They'll share their intelligence with Vlad instead?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663

    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
    That's the way I see this headed.

    Trump 2.0 is totally out of control and drunk on it all. Why the fuck not start bombing Kyiv with US missiles. Think of the response from the libs!! Biden will probably have a heart attack. LOL.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080

    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots

    When is Rubio going to walk?

    Every day his soul shrivels a little more.
    He sold his soul for 4 years at the trough. No going back now
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hope those wankers who said Trump would be better for Ukraine than Biden/Harris are feeling good tonight.

    US Govt has quietly begun to shut down desperately needed arms to Ukraine, @WSJ reports tonight.

    Begs the question, was Friday's Oval Office blow up orchestrated as an excuse to do what Trump/Vance have always wanted to do?


    https://x.com/tnewtondunn/status/1896653114243207313

    U.S. Hitting Brakes on Flow of Arms to Ukraine

    Military financing has been stopped, and officials are meeting to consider suspending another type of assistance


    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-hitting-brakes-on-flow-of-arms-to-ukraine-980a71d1

    I feel like this situation ultimately ends with an emboldened Russia, and a Ukraine which is both weaker than it needed to be and less enamoured of the West than it was going to be.


    That's a win for the USA?
    Why do you think Trump cares?

    I don't think he does, but other people profess to care and I struggle to see how america's power and influence is being
    advanced.
    The people in charge are grifters
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots

    When is Rubio going to walk?

    Every day his soul shrivels a little more.
    Where is this belief coming from that he is not fully on board with everything? He knew what he was getting in to, he surely knew the price.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,853
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663

    Tim Miller
    @Timodc
    ·
    36m
    Hate to brag but all signs indicate we are at the beginning stages of a historic shitshow and the Never Trumpers were basically right about everything.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/1896661341462798734
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,211

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    He was going for growth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    Hey, he cannot be held responsible for what rogue Moffs get up to! And under his rule there was, more or less, peace for 20 years, and things collapsed immediately afterwards. We are told a lot thesedays people should not fight against that sort of thing.

    He did enjoy a good laugh though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    Slave labour. Didn't you see Andor?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    He was going for growth.
    I jest, but Palpatine appears to have been the only man in the galaxy capable of long term planning, and it led to a decades long period of rule (including being on both sides of a civil war). Apart from a blindspot over teddy bears he at least had a brain compared to the rest of them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663

    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672
    edited March 3

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    Wonder if they used PFI to pay for it?

    Apparently there were lots of labor desputes on DS 1, which explains why it took them 20 years to complete it.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,080
    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Why do people not like Donald Trump? Nate White's response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

    And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

    This is cringe-worthy shite, with a large dash of excruciating British snobbery. Trump is genuinely funny. He might be worse than Hitler or a nastier version of Caligula, or merely a grim parallel with Pinochet, but he IS funny. If you watch him without prejudice - hard for many of middling wits - you will see it. Probably beyond you
    You're a connoisseur of autocrats, though,
    Humour is a matter of taste, and you've always had a soft spot for the fash-adjacent.

    I can certainly appreciate his rhetorical timing, in small doses, but he's about as funny as a well timed fart.
    I'm just bored of these halfwitted takes on Trump, and all things Trumpian

    He IS funny, it's actually part of his skillset. He can take the piss out of himself, he is also very good at a brutal, funny putdown

    Now, you don't HAVE to laugh. I'd have found it hard to laugh at a Hitler joke even if Adolf was as good as Eddie Izzard in his prime. But that viral, self regarding, cringey British screed about "Trump being utterly humourless" - predictably reiterated by classic centrist dad @kjh - is simply wince-worthy

    It also enables Trump, and empowers him, that his enemies are driven so mad by him they cannot see him clearly and accurately. That is to his advantage
    I don't deny your point.
    Just saying that I don't find his humour funny at all.
    It's an interesting experiment

    eg Imagine if Hitler was funny. There is zero evidence (that I know) that he WAS remotely amusing. But imagine if you met Hitler and he WAS funny, that would induce intense, painful cognitive dissonance

    Josef Goebbels was properly funny, by all accounts - a waspish and subtle wit, laced with irony. That's creepy

    A late friend of mine, a gifted photographer and writer, met some of the nastiest of the Khmer Rouge elite - the real c*nts who deliberately ordered the deaths - in the cruellest ways - of millions

    He told me the worst thing about it was that they were charming. They were generally very bright, they had exquisite manners and cultured minds acquired in Paris of the 50s where they all learned Maoism as students (and many were from quite wealthy, civilised families)

    It freaked out my friend, that these evil people could charm him and make him laugh
    Chamberlain found Hitler funny apparently and admitted, despite himself, to rather
    liking him. Said he had a great 'Austrian' sense of humour.
    I've never considered that Austrian humour would be different from German.
    @Roger could learn a thing or two from the
    Austrians

    They convinced the world that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler German…
    Coined by Billy Wilder I think, who was a very funny man.
    Of course he was Austro-Hungarian (Polish) rather than echt Austrian.
    Never knew the source, thanks
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,080


    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.

    The man is out of control.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited March 3
    Hannibal Lecter, who Trump greatly admires, was a good cook.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it

    I think they will. They give every indication of liking it. SC might put a few barriers up, but they've made clear they think a President should be beholden to no-one in practice.

    The Canada stuff seems most out of nowhere, I don't remember any sign of that beforehand.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301
    edited March 3
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    Wonder if they used PFI to pay for it?

    Apparently there were lots of labor desputes on DS 1, which explains why it took them 20 years to complete it.
    Probably a costs plus contract. I bet DS2 was a fixed fee job.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080

    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it

    The US announced last week I think they wanted to buy millions of eggs to make up the shortfall that has increased prices

    And today he announced they will be 25% more expensive...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    It cost 2.5% of galactic GDP.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    Not sure you could say what you liked about him!

    There's a Two Ronnies sketch I remember but can't find with a quick check. Maybe a hotel reception desk? The final joke is one of the ronnies walking out from behind the desk with a huge furry tail attached. Anyone?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    40% rise in Americans applying for UK citizenship per FT.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632

    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
    That's the way I see this headed.

    Trump 2.0 is totally out of control and drunk on it all. Why the fuck not start bombing Kyiv with US missiles. Think of the response from the libs!! Biden will probably have a heart attack. LOL.

    Yes, that's the way I see it. Trump and Putin are carving up the world between them. Molotov-Ribbentrop. I have a vague hope that there are enough non-fascists left in the US administration to halt it but not an expectation.

    I had expected Trump to abandon Ukraine but I honestly hadn't expected it to be quite this bad.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988


    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.

    The cartels might just flood the US with Fentanyl in return.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672


    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.

    Surely America is heading for recession within the next few months (followed by the rest of the world?)

    Nobody with half a brain is going to invest in America with all this bullshit going on?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,165
    edited March 3
    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    "In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Anglosphere will be reorganised into the First Galactic Empire. For a safe and secure society!"
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,853
    Scott_xP said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Emperor Palpatine told a great knock knock joke. What a loveable old rogue.

    He was also a lover of the arts and fond of a trip to the theater. Completely makes up for blowing up Alderaan and murdering millions of people all of the galaxy.
    The Death Star must have been a fairly serious source of galactic employment.
    Slave labour. Didn't you see Andor?
    I prefer to think of it more like the Civil Service, with a really good pension scheme.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    TimS said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896625861396140070

    Sen Tuberville: "Zelenskyy's gonna play hardball, but you know what? He's not even in the game. It's gonna be Putin and President Trump and the people on our side that will end up making this decision for the future of Ukraine."

    I know you’re just trolling, but that’s the sort of imperial arrogance Ukrainians stuck two fingers up to in 2014.
    But it's not really is it? Ukraine decided to use a powerful backer (the US, with Europe in tow) to break away from Russia's sphere of influence. They would always have needed that protector and been dependent and beholden to them. Enough people decided that that was worth it. It was always a very high stakes game.
    Russia doesn't have a sphere of influence, this isn't the 19th century.
    If Putin had wanted to attract the old ex-Soviet states, he could have played nicely with them, and attracted them through being a brilliant neighbour. Instead, he tried extortion, murder and political interference.

    And some people don't seem to understand why so many of those eastern European states wanted to look away from Russia towards the EU and NATO, and not to his murderous tyranny.
    That's not what a sphere of influence means - it is not people liking you, it is countries that have the appearance and the infrastructure of self-government but in fact will do anything you want because they don't really have a choice. Are you seriously arguing that Belarus for example is not within Russia's sphere of influence, because everyone here usually argues precisely the opposite. Ukraine was very much in that bracket, but enough people decided to leave it. To do that they needed a greater force to get them out. They were always going to be beholden to that force.
    No, Belarus is a corrupt dictatorship whose dictator does what Russia wants because he'll fall without their backing.

    If he falls, Belarus could quite readily turn its back on Russia, which is why Russia props him up.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    Well connected GOP centrist:

    I just had a lengthy and productive one-on-one conversation with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s Chief-of-Staff, Andrii Yermak. We are 100% getting this train back on the tracks. This mineral deal will be signed in short order, which will lead to a strong long-term economic partnership between the United States and Ukraine, and which will ultimately and naturally lead to security assistance. Europe will be required to step up and do its part, and there will be mandates for them to do just that. Stay tuned for further details.

    https://x.com/RepBrianFitz/status/1896663350370566156?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Pagan2 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hannibal Lecter, who Trump greatly admires, was a good cook.

    Lecter was a humanitarian
    He definitely liked people
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,866
    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    But an excellent after-dinner speaker, and friend to so many.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328

    This business about the FBI no longer investigating Russian interference, is pretty concerning.
    Not much coverage in the UK.

    The cyber warfare unit has been told to ignore Russian activity
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015
    GIN1138 said:


    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.

    Surely America is heading for recession within the next few months (followed by the rest of the world?)

    Nobody with half a brain is going to invest in America with all this bullshit going on?
    And recessions lead to more non-traditional parties getting power and influence, thus benefiting Putin even more?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562

    This business about the FBI no longer investigating Russian interference, is pretty concerning.
    Not much coverage in the UK.

    The BBC went from mildly gaslighting Zelensky on Friday to Kuennsberg on Sunday blaming him entirely for the Oval Office debacle.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988

    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it

    I used to think talk of a civil war in the US was ridiculous.

    Now I'm really not so sure. I could imagine a coup to replace this clown troupe. What happens after that?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    edited March 3

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    Mengele always warmed his hands up before treating a patient.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    He got rid of most of it, though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080

    Well connected GOP centrist:

    I just had a lengthy and productive one-on-one conversation with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s Chief-of-Staff, Andrii Yermak. We are 100% getting this train back on the tracks. This mineral deal will be signed in short order, which will lead to a strong long-term economic partnership between the United States and Ukraine, and which will ultimately and naturally lead to security assistance. Europe will be required to step up and do its part, and there will be mandates for them to do just that. Stay tuned for further details.

    https://x.com/RepBrianFitz/status/1896663350370566156?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    I don't think this is what will happen
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    I’m told that Ceaucescu was actually a superb impressionist in private, despite his very sober public demeanour.

    Apparently his Stevie Wonder was truly uncanny.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it

    The US announced last week I think they wanted to buy millions of eggs to make up the shortfall that has increased prices

    And today he announced they will be 25% more expensive...
    Remember despite hyper inflation Mugabe used to smash every election with a landslide.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    Leon and I have both been to Tuol Sleng. Grotesque beyond belief. Whilst we here were listening to Wham...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672

    Trump looks out of control to me, as does Musk. Actually, all of the MAGA lot. The tariff decision today again just seems odd…

    And it’s clearer to me than ever that Trump he looked at Russia, likes the type of control Putin has, and is attempting to force it upon the USA. No idea if citizens will put up with it

    I used to think talk of a civil war in the US was ridiculous.

    Now I'm really not so sure. I could imagine a coup to replace this clown troupe. What happens after that?
    The American constitution was able to contain the first Trump presidency without too much damage but it looks like Trump 2 will really stretch things to breaking point.

    We'll find out how robust the constitution really is...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    Leon and I have both been to Tuol Sleng. Grotesque beyond belief. Whilst we here were listening to Wham...
    So who was suffering more?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Sean_F said:

    This business about the FBI no longer investigating Russian interference, is pretty concerning.
    Not much coverage in the UK.

    The cyber warfare unit has been told to ignore Russian activity
    Trump and his clique are Manchurian Candidates. That is becoming increasingly clear.

    The leadership of the USA are actually traitors.
    What about their allies in the UK?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    Scott_xP said:

    Well connected GOP centrist:

    I just had a lengthy and productive one-on-one conversation with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s Chief-of-Staff, Andrii Yermak. We are 100% getting this train back on the tracks. This mineral deal will be signed in short order, which will lead to a strong long-term economic partnership between the United States and Ukraine, and which will ultimately and naturally lead to security assistance. Europe will be required to step up and do its part, and there will be mandates for them to do just that. Stay tuned for further details.

    https://x.com/RepBrianFitz/status/1896663350370566156?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    I don't think this is what will happen
    If Trump had sense he would sign agreements - after all he's happy to break them when he feels like it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    White House directs officials to draft proposal to lift US sanctions on Russia
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/trump-sanctions-russia
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080
    @unusual_whales
    BREAKING: This is not a memecoin.

    This is Nvidia, $NVDA, the most valuable company in the world.

    It finished down 8.7%.

    It lost $250 billion in market cap.

    Unusual.

    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1896671171183034482

    @AllieRenison

    US stock markets and funds tanking in response to Trump's press conference tariff confirmation on Canadian & Mexican goods

    White House/US Govt still not issued any documentation to back it up

    Small part of me wonders if this might yet change his course

    https://x.com/AllieRenison/status/1896675038449082474
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562

    40% rise in Americans applying for UK citizenship per FT.

    No wonder the net immigration figures are so bad.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,211
    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
    That's the way I see this headed.

    Trump 2.0 is totally out of control and drunk on it all. Why the fuck not start bombing Kyiv with US missiles. Think of the response from the libs!! Biden will probably have a heart attack. LOL.

    Yes, that's the way I see it. Trump and Putin are carving up the world between them. Molotov-Ribbentrop. I have a vague hope that there are enough non-fascists left in the US administration to halt it but not an expectation.

    I had expected Trump to abandon Ukraine but I honestly hadn't expected it to be quite this bad.
    Don’t forget Uncle Xi. He will fancy a slice of the action too!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    During some of our lifetimes.
    I remember reading a long article in the newspaper in my teens, and having nightmares.

  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    edited March 3

    Scott_xP said:

    @John_Hudson

    New: Trump meeting this afternoon with Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, Witkoff to discuss Ukraine policy, including whether to end military assistance to Kyiv, per US official.
    Also under consideration is curtailing intelligence sharing and training for Ukrainian troops & pilots

    When is Rubio going to walk?

    Every day his soul shrivels a little more.
    the only way to leave is in a coffin
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    Scott_xP said:

    @unusual_whales
    BREAKING: This is not a memecoin.

    This is Nvidia, $NVDA, the most valuable company in the world.

    It finished down 8.7%.

    It lost $250 billion in market cap.

    Unusual.

    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1896671171183034482

    @AllieRenison

    US stock markets and funds tanking in response to Trump's press conference tariff confirmation on Canadian & Mexican goods

    White House/US Govt still not issued any documentation to back it up

    Small part of me wonders if this might yet change his course

    https://x.com/AllieRenison/status/1896675038449082474

    History will have a look at who shorted the market...
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,211
    Scott_xP said:

    @unusual_whales
    BREAKING: This is not a memecoin.

    This is Nvidia, $NVDA, the most valuable company in the world.

    It finished down 8.7%.

    It lost $250 billion in market cap.

    Unusual.

    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1896671171183034482

    @AllieRenison

    US stock markets and funds tanking in response to Trump's press conference tariff confirmation on Canadian & Mexican goods

    White House/US Govt still not issued any documentation to back it up

    Small part of me wonders if this might yet change his course

    https://x.com/AllieRenison/status/1896675038449082474

    He won’t change course. He has gone mad with power. It will all end in tears. My prediction is that all this is going to end up far worse for the US in the long run than the rest of the West.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    One for Roger here.

    The Times has created some new league table about the top locations for family life.

    Hartlepool comes tenth.

    https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/parenting/article/children-vs-house-cost-500000-pounds-3lfznlkx0

    The usual posho and expensive commuter districts dominate but NE Lincolnshire manages to be fifth.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080

    Scott_xP said:

    @unusual_whales
    BREAKING: This is not a memecoin.

    This is Nvidia, $NVDA, the most valuable company in the world.

    It finished down 8.7%.

    It lost $250 billion in market cap.

    Unusual.

    https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1896671171183034482

    @AllieRenison

    US stock markets and funds tanking in response to Trump's press conference tariff confirmation on Canadian & Mexican goods

    White House/US Govt still not issued any documentation to back it up

    Small part of me wonders if this might yet change his course

    https://x.com/AllieRenison/status/1896675038449082474

    He won’t change course. He has gone mad with power. It will all end in tears. My prediction is that all this is going to end up far worse for the US in the long run than the rest of the West.
    The big winner will be China
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    edited March 3
    Manchuria latest:



    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    kle4 said:


    GIN1138 said:


    The Associated Press
    @AP

    BREAKING: President Trump says that 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports are starting Tuesday, sparking new fears of a North American trade war.

    Surely America is heading for recession within the next few months (followed by the rest of the world?)

    Nobody with half a brain is going to invest in America with all this bullshit going on?
    And recessions lead to more non-traditional parties getting power and influence, thus benefiting Putin even more?
    Non-populist parties need to get the message out that all these problems have been created by Trump, Putin etc. You have to pin the problems on Farage, Le Pen, Weidel, Kickl etc. And that's not going to be difficult the way Trump is acting.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988

    TimS said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896625861396140070

    Sen Tuberville: "Zelenskyy's gonna play hardball, but you know what? He's not even in the game. It's gonna be Putin and President Trump and the people on our side that will end up making this decision for the future of Ukraine."

    I know you’re just trolling, but that’s the sort of imperial arrogance Ukrainians stuck two fingers up to in 2014.
    But it's not really is it? Ukraine decided to use a powerful backer (the US, with Europe in tow) to break away from Russia's sphere of influence. They would always have needed that protector and been dependent and beholden to them. Enough people decided that that was worth it. It was always a very high stakes game.
    Russia doesn't have a sphere of influence, this isn't the 19th century.
    If Putin had wanted to attract the old ex-Soviet states, he could have played nicely with them, and attracted them through being a brilliant neighbour. Instead, he tried extortion, murder and political interference.

    And some people don't seem to understand why so many of those eastern European states wanted to look away from Russia towards the EU and NATO, and not to his murderous tyranny.
    That's not what a sphere of influence means - it is not people liking you, it is countries that have the appearance and the infrastructure of self-government but in fact will do anything you want because they don't really have a choice. Are you eriously arguing that Belarus for example is not within Russia's sphere of influence, because everyone here usually argues precisely the opposite. Ukraine was very much in that bracket, but enough people decided to leave it. To do that they needed a greater force to get them out. They were always going to be beholden to that force.
    No, Belarus is a corrupt dictatorship whose dictator does what Russia wants because he'll fall without their backing.

    If he falls, Belarus could quite readily turn its back on Russia, which is why Russia props him up.
    Russia losing Belarus would be quite disastrous for their regional position..
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632

    TimS said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1896625861396140070

    Sen Tuberville: "Zelenskyy's gonna play hardball, but you know what? He's not even in the game. It's gonna be Putin and President Trump and the people on our side that will end up making this decision for the future of Ukraine."

    I know you’re just trolling, but that’s the sort of imperial arrogance Ukrainians stuck two fingers up to in 2014.
    But it's not really is it? Ukraine decided to use a powerful backer (the US, with Europe in tow) to break away from Russia's sphere of influence. They would always have needed that protector and been dependent and beholden to them. Enough people decided that that was worth it. It was always a very high stakes game.
    Russia doesn't have a sphere of influence, this isn't the 19th century.
    If Putin had wanted to attract the old ex-Soviet states, he could have played nicely with them, and attracted them through being a brilliant neighbour. Instead, he tried extortion, murder and political interference.

    And some people don't seem to understand why so many of those eastern European states wanted to look away from Russia towards the EU and NATO, and not to his murderous tyranny.
    That's not what a sphere of influence means - it is not people liking you, it is countries that have the appearance and the infrastructure of self-government but in fact will do anything you want because they don't really have a choice. Are you eriously arguing that Belarus for example is not within Russia's sphere of influence, because everyone here usually argues precisely the opposite. Ukraine was very much in that bracket, but enough people decided to leave it. To do that they needed a greater force to get them out. They were always going to be beholden to that force.
    No, Belarus is a corrupt dictatorship whose dictator does what Russia wants because he'll fall without their backing.

    If he falls, Belarus could quite readily turn its back on Russia, which is why Russia props him up.
    Russia losing Belarus would be quite disastrous for their regional position..
    Hard to see it not resulting in an invasion.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,147
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Why do people not like Donald Trump? Nate White's response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

    And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

    This is cringe-worthy shite, with a large dash of excruciating British snobbery. Trump is genuinely funny. He might be worse than Hitler or a nastier version of Caligula, or merely a grim parallel with Pinochet, but he IS funny. If you watch him without prejudice - hard for many of middling wits - you will see it. Probably beyond you
    You have a very warped sense of humour in that case. Probably find accidents and amputations funny as well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    Mengele always warmed his hands up before treating a patient.
    Shipman was a great doctor when he wasn't killing people.

    That's an actual, if ironic, statement made by one of the GPs assisting the prosecution team in that case.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,152
    It's been known for awhile that Hitler would have become a talk show host after the war. Possibly in America

    https://youtu.be/pKH8E8WzFZk?si=bUF0CehK39SPXA6G
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015

    Manchuria latest:



    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    What exactly are Russia giving to attain all these advantageous positions?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,147
    glw said:

    TimS said:

    They said all their government affairs people are expecting a Democrat sweep of the midterms and that from that point the ability of the current administration to do much harm would be severely limited. So they’re planning for another just under 2 years of this and then a change.

    Whether that just reflects old thinking that’s not caught up with a new reality I don’t know. It seemed very optimistic to me.

    Are they not aware of Trump trashing the FCC, FEC, and other important bodies that protect elections? Are they unaware that Trump wants the Whitehouse to have the final say on legal decisions of US government organisations?

    The chances of a genuinely free and fair federal election are just about nil.
    I think the chances of a real civil war are now closer than they have been sicnce.. well the end of the last one. I just don't see the USA surviving even 2 years of Trump let alone 4.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    During some of our lifetimes.
    I remember reading a long article in the newspaper in my teens, and having nightmares.

    I might have read the same article.

    I remember once saying to my wife that 20,000 went into Tuol Sleng, and 17 survived. She said “17,000?”

    “No. 17.”
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Manchuria latest:

    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    It’s interesting to contrast with attitudes earlier in the conflict:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/07/ukraine-crisis-will-not-be-solved-by-military-means-says-angela-merkel

    Angela Merkel has said the crisis in Ukraine will not be solved by military means, and that the peace agreement struck last September needs to be implemented.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, the German chancellor said she wanted to secure peace in Europe with Russia and not against it.

    Germany has opposed aiding Ukrainian troops for fear of worsening the conflict, which has already cost more than 5,000 lives, but the idea has many supporters in Washington.

    “I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily,” Merkel said. “I have to put it that bluntly.”
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135
    .

    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
    That's the way I see this headed.

    Trump 2.0 is totally out of control and drunk on it all. Why the fuck not start bombing Kyiv with US missiles. Think of the response from the libs!! Biden will probably have a heart attack. LOL.

    Yes, that's the way I see it. Trump and Putin are carving up the world between them. Molotov-Ribbentrop. I have a vague hope that there are enough non-fascists left in the US administration to halt it but not an expectation.

    I had expected Trump to abandon Ukraine but I honestly hadn't expected it to be quite this bad.
    Don’t forget Uncle Xi. He will fancy a slice of the action too!
    Uncle I through Uncle X will be grafting too under this POTUS.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Does the US only retain the executive branch of Government now?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,566
    Annoyingly I pressed sell on my s&p 500 stocks this morning.
    I've probably managed to sell at the bottom now.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249

    Manchuria latest:

    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    It’s interesting to contrast with attitudes earlier in the conflict:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/07/ukraine-crisis-will-not-be-solved-by-military-means-says-angela-merkel

    Angela Merkel has said the crisis in Ukraine will not be solved by military means, and that the peace agreement struck last September needs to be implemented.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, the German chancellor said she wanted to secure peace in Europe with Russia and not against it.

    Germany has opposed aiding Ukrainian troops for fear of worsening the conflict, which has already cost more than 5,000 lives, but the idea has many supporters in Washington.

    “I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily,” Merkel said. “I have to put it that bluntly.”
    Well, that aged well.

    Wasn’t she a dire leader?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707

    From the Guardian:

    Donald Trump announced that his administration will level tariffs on “external” agricultural products beginning on 2 April. Writing on Truth Social, the president said:

    To the Great Farmers of the United States: Get ready to start making a lot of agricultural product to be sold INSIDE of the United States. Tariffs will go on external product on April 2nd. Have fun!


    I imagine that much of the agricultural produce the USA imports cannot be grown economically in the USA.

    I'm also rather doubtful that US farmers can immediately increase production.

    Not looking good for Usonian tomato lovers. They import 60% of their fresh tomatoes, overwhelmingly from Mexico.

    Eggs are done. Hit the bacon and there won't be anything of a Full English left.

    Off he went with a Trumpety-Trump !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,015
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    You can say what you like about Pol Pot, but he was HUGE fan of the Two Ronnies.

    Especially the Mastermind sketch.

    I've heard many times that, in private, Pol Pot was an excellent host, and gently amusing.

    The poor man was shy in public.
    Well he sure took care of the problem of there being too many crowds.

    An oft overlooked monster, far closer to our lifetimes than people seem to realise.
    During some of our lifetimes.
    I remember reading a long article in the newspaper in my teens, and having nightmares.

    He died peacefully of old age when I was 12, I feel like it should have been bigger news.

    (apparently there's some thought he killed himself, he was under house arrest following party infighting according to wiki).
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    Nigelb said:

    White House directs officials to draft proposal to lift US sanctions on Russia
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/trump-sanctions-russia

    Once again, should we consider the approach that Ted Heath rejected?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,852

    Does the US only retain the executive branch of Government now?

    Whilst some of us might decry 'The Blob' in the UK, the US desperately needs one.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328

    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is, I think absolutely correct.

    https://x.com/MacWBishop/status/1896639947278561465
    Still seeing a lot of magical thinking, denial and people desperately clinging to comments of various Cabinet officials in the hope that the relationship between Washington and Kyiv can be salvaged. Here are some hard truths:

    1) There is nothing Zelensky could have said or done that would have gotten a better result from Trump
    2) There is not now, nor has there even been, a realistic “peace plan” devised by the Trump administration

    3) The US will cut off aid for Ukraine
    4) Washington will normalize ties with Russia
    5) There is no “peace deal” which Trump or Putin will accept that involves US security guarantees

    6) The US intends to minimize security commitments to Europe
    7) While Trump may have difficulty ending de jure NATO commitment, his policy will be a de facto US withdrawal from NATO

    PS: Just adding that the war in Ukraine has been successfully turned into a partisan litmus test. The vilification of Zelensky and of Ukraine in general will continue to gain purchase. There are no good faith arguments which can now be used by US allies to alter this dynamic.


    Starmer has given it his best shot, but he’d better have a plan B.





    Indeed. They had a nice distracting weekend, but Trump has obviously made up his mind that Ukraine is doomed.
    And that by defying him, he will make extra sure they are doomed. Don't they realise that he is trying to make a legacy here?
    My hunch is that things are far worse than most people are talking about.

    Bleak.
    Trump and Putin planning a joint military operation in Ukraine?
    That's the way I see this headed.

    Trump 2.0 is totally out of control and drunk on it all. Why the fuck not start bombing Kyiv with US missiles. Think of the response from the libs!! Biden will probably have a heart attack. LOL.

    Yes, that's the way I see it. Trump and Putin are carving up the world between them. Molotov-Ribbentrop. I have a vague hope that there are enough non-fascists left in the US administration to halt it but not anexpectation.


    I had expected Trump to abandon Ukraine but I honestly hadn't expected it to be quite this bad.
    Don’t forget Uncle Xi. He will fancy a slice of the action too!
    Oh poo!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,852
    edited March 3
    kle4 said:

    Manchuria latest:



    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    What exactly are Russia giving to attain all these advantageous positions?
    Or, perhaps - what are they not publishing?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Why do people not like Donald Trump? Nate White's response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

    And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

    This is cringe-worthy shite, with a large dash of excruciating British snobbery. Trump is genuinely funny. He might be worse than Hitler or a nastier version of Caligula, or merely a grim parallel with Pinochet, but he IS funny. If you watch him without prejudice - hard for many of middling wits - you will see it. Probably beyond you

    You have a very warped sense of humour in that case. Probably find accidents and amputations funny as well.
    Oh it was simply *hilarious* when he waved his hands and mocked a disabled man

    /s
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672

    Manchuria latest:

    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    It’s interesting to contrast with attitudes earlier in the conflict:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/07/ukraine-crisis-will-not-be-solved-by-military-means-says-angela-merkel

    Angela Merkel has said the crisis in Ukraine will not be solved by military means, and that the peace agreement struck last September needs to be implemented.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, the German chancellor said she wanted to secure peace in Europe with Russia and not against it.

    Germany has opposed aiding Ukrainian troops for fear of worsening the conflict, which has already cost more than 5,000 lives, but the idea has many supporters in Washington.

    “I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily,” Merkel said. “I have to put it that bluntly.”
    She really was an all time terrible leader. We should not have taken a back seat and let the EU and Germany dictate the path forwards in 2014.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    kle4 said:

    Manchuria latest:



    NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
    @NOELreports

    🇺🇸 Reuters: The U.S. is drafting a plan to ease some sanctions on Russia. The White House has tasked the State Dept. & Treasury with identifying sanctions that could be lifted. Talks with Russian officials may take place soon, including potential relief for some oligarchs.

    https://reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/

    What exactly are Russia giving to attain all these advantageous positions?
    Money

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