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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited July 4

    Andy_JS said:

    The shares I have that match up with Lab 407, Con 127 are Lab 35.8%, Con 24.6%.

    A Pyrrhic landslide for Starmer. This isn’t 1997 and he won’t have a Teflon first term.
    Comical William at the gates of Baghdad
    He may have a point. I am glad to see the Tories out on their a*se, but I still feel it was about voting against them and not for Starmer.

    A shaved monkey wearing a red rosette could have been PM.

    Or even Joe Biden...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,358
    Official Metaphor alert

    Charge of the Light Brigade

    119 Conservatives left after election

    Notes: “Someone had blundered”. Despite what Tennyson says, there were more than 600 of them at the start, although only 195 were left at the end, a loss of 68 per cent. This is, as it happens, also the rate for the Titanic, overall, including crew and passengers.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    Angela Rayner seeming a touch lugubrious.

    That was almost word for word John Prescott's reaction to the 1997 exit poll. I'm sure she's seen that before.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,357
    I never believed the MRPs showing the Tories below 100 seats.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    Monmouth stays blue. I am surprised.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    IanB2 said:

    Tory vote 29% down in the Midlands

    Crazy!
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,007

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1808970758166806966

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Key takeaway from that is Nigel Farage is the new leader of the British Right.

    That begs the question of whether Nigel Farage is one of the 13-ish.
    13 plays 130 good luck with that! Key takeaway from Dan Hodges tweet is that he's an idiot.
    If Reform votes are comparable to the LibDems for a quarter of the seats, there may be more pressure for electoral reform.
    Oh rubbish, you can't just complain about the electoral system when it disadvantages the right.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,507
    Cons have a big decision to make now - do they try to entice the Reform voters or tack back to a more Cameroonian approach.

    They went the Reform, UKIP as was, route in 2017 and, Brexit getting done aside, have this evening reaped the rewards of that strategy. Will they learn this time round.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,604
    Nunu5 said:

    Tories down 24% in the Midlands!

    The Midlands was BoJo territory. The Tories are being punished for chucking him out.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    pm215 said:

    RobD said:

    Any word on Clacton?

    ITV's graphic showed the exit poll predicting it for Reform, unless I misread it.
    It did, and Bassetlaw and Yarmouth
  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 82
    Surely SNP will get more than 10, it's difficult to imagine Tories gaining seats in Scotland.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,448
    pinball13 said:

    I wanted to see Con under 100. Will be fun to see them spin this as a good result though!

    We already have the sight of Putinists trying to pretend that 13/650 seats is a good result.
  • novanova Posts: 672

    If it's 38% it's within the MoE isn't it? Labour was on 41% according to Opinium

    The final poll averages had Labour on about 39 with the Tories around 22.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Portsmouth North too close to call.

    Hope Penny nabs it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327

    Ange is very solid

    Just as well given the rain fall. A weaker person would have dissolved.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 812
    Have we had vote shares from the exit poll?

    Thanks
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,862
    DavidL said:

    The red wall is, well, red. Again.

    From the river to the sea, the Red Wall will be Tory-free.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    FF43 said:

    CatMan said:

    Assuming the exit poll is broadly correct, which MRP was the most accurate?

    None of them. Survation was good on Lib Dems, Reform and SNP but woefully short on the Conservative number. Other MRPs, eg YouGov, much better on the Conservatives but had Reform on only a couple of seats.

    I should add this stuff is tricky. It only takes a vote share up or down by a single percentage point to make a big difference in seat numbers.
    I based my prediction on YouGov, because their MRP has a good track record. I think getting REF wrong is more forgivable than getting CON wrong.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    This was not worth getting the Chablis out for, so the Pinot has been opened instead.

    OTOH, if Sunak loses his seat... :D
  • Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,604

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    ...
    image
    Touche Bart.
  • BobSykesBobSykes Posts: 46
    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
    That would be 6 gains from the SNP I assume 6 of the following 7: Perth, Ayr, Moray West, Argyll, East Renfrewshire, Angus, Aberdeen South.
    I should have made a note but Stirling was definitely one. I don't think East Ren was
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,960
    edited July 4

    Have we had vote shares from the exit poll?

    Thanks

    No, the exit poll doesn't give vote shares.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,520
    Foxy said:

    Reform may have 13, but I don't think they will take over the tories now. I would much rather a moderate right survives to block the radicals than the tories getting wiped out. The tories will know that there is not tacking to the right. Reform will never stop before the tories become reform, so the tories might as well double down on credible centre right policies for a future millenial voting base

    If the Tories are on 130, they will not be in hock to Reform, particularly as amongst the Reform MPs there will be some nutters.
    I predict there’ll be Tory/Reform psychodrama all the way through the next parliament. All it takes are a couple of by elections in the red wall where REF are now the main challenger and we’ll be getting wall to wall coverage of the media musing whether they need to team up.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,310
    Well it looks like I've done my money if the exit poll I've just seen stays on target. I had dipped into the markets at various points based on the view that the Conservatives would get above 140 seats. The exit poll suggests 130 odd.

    Some ya win...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586
    DougSeal said:

    Kerching Lab implied vote share about 38% according to ITV

    Four figure winning night for me if they get less than 12,877,000 votes

    Which was of course slightly less than TMay got in 2017. Which is all that matters.
    Not for my 4 figure win it's not. The fact they fell well short of 12.877m is all that matters for that.

    SKS looks like being circa 1 million votes short of Jezza 2017. How unpopular must he be

    SKS fans please explain how that could possibly be right.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,357
    edited July 4

    Andy_JS said:

    The shares I have that match up with Lab 407, Con 127 are Lab 35.8%, Con 24.6%.

    A Pyrrhic landslide for Starmer. This isn’t 1997 and he won’t have a Teflon first term.
    Comical William at the gates of Baghdad
    He may have a point. I am glad to see the Tories out on their a*se, but I still feel it was about voting against them and not for Starmer.

    A shaved monkey wearing a red rosette could have been PM.

    Or even Joe Biden...
    I posted a tweet from FT data guy yesterday that went through the data and his conclusion was basically this.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,357
    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    pinball13 said:

    Surely SNP will get more than 10, it's difficult to imagine Tories gaining seats in Scotland.

    Reform!

    (Just joking.)
  • nova said:

    If it's 38% it's within the MoE isn't it? Labour was on 41% according to Opinium

    The final poll averages had Labour on about 39 with the Tories around 22.
    Is that just outside MoE? It's not exactly a "polling disaster" is it?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Down 16% in London...... that's wipeout end of things
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,003

    I suspect Reform is a bit overstated - but the SNP prediction a charm - and they’ll lose a boatload of short money’

    bankruptcy looms for sure.
    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Yes all down to her
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368
    You would have thought Kwasi Kwateng would have kept a low profile. Any word from Truss’seat.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
    That would be 6 gains from the SNP I assume 6 of the following 7: Perth, Ayr, Moray West, Argyll, East Renfrewshire, Angus, Aberdeen South.
    Back to the 2017 numbers almost.

    Scotland is a different country.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,978
    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Certainly is...
  • Andy_JS said:

    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.

    Agree.

    I think there will be a lot of VERY close results. I still think Labour can beat Blair's 1997.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,089
    edited July 4
    Kier Charmer LOL
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226
    Pulpstar said:

    Bassetlaw projected to go Reform

    Lol

    I voted Tory.
    Was that a vote swap with someone from Hallam ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327

    Portsmouth North too close to call.

    Hope Penny nabs it

    Yes, she is a much better way forward than the woke warriors who would lead them down another rabbit hole.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586
    Andy_JS said:

    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.

    I will be disappointed if Greens only get 2 was hoping for 4
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    Yes I'd have it around that too, maybe reform a couple of points lower and the LDs a couple higher given the projected seats.

    However it does show that the next Tory leader is going to have to shift the party rightwards. Maybe not as far as Braverman but definitely more than they are now which has felt centre left since Theresa May.
    In another universe, Rishi doesn't make an absolute balls of the campaign, particularly the start, he doesn't propose nonsense like National Service, meaning no Farage, and we are probably having a total different conversation.
    In another universe the imbecilic Tories didn't elect Liz Truss as leader.

    Rishi isn't very good but I doubt he would've failed historically badly without that additional baggage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,568
    Rishi holding his seat at 1.36 BF looks a decent bet
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018
    Yokes said:

    Well it looks like I've done my money if the exit poll I've just seen stays on target. I had dipped into the markets at various points based on the view that the Conservatives would get above 140 seats. The exit poll suggests 130 odd.

    Some ya win...

    They might still, don't give up yet!
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256
    What are the Reform predicted seats?
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    TOPPING said:

    Cons have a big decision to make now - do they try to entice the Reform voters or tack back to a more Cameroonian approach.

    They went the Reform, UKIP as was, route in 2017 and, Brexit getting done aside, have this evening reaped the rewards of that strategy. Will they learn this time round.

    The cameron approach wont work in the 2020s.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,212
    I think that by calling the early election Sunak has actually saved the conservative party. Things were not going to get any better for them had it been put off for another 6 months.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,604

    Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.

    In the last week you saw their poll numbers fall by around 5%. Their vote efficiency is excellent however.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,003
    Pulpstar said:

    SNP 10 = Con Gain Perth and Kinross??

    Gordon I think too
    Hopefully that clown Wishart is dumped
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052

    pinball13 said:

    I wanted to see Con under 100. Will be fun to see them spin this as a good result though!

    We already have the sight of Putinists trying to pretend that 13/650 seats is a good result.
    It's a very good result for them. In our system it's extremely difficult for new parties to get any seats at all.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327
    God I miss George Osborne.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,604

    DougSeal said:

    Kerching Lab implied vote share about 38% according to ITV

    Four figure winning night for me if they get less than 12,877,000 votes

    Which was of course slightly less than TMay got in 2017. Which is all that matters.
    Not for my 4 figure win it's not. The fact they fell well short of 12.877m is all that matters for that.

    SKS looks like being circa 1 million votes short of Jezza 2017. How unpopular must he be

    SKS fans please explain how that could possibly be right.
    Putting aside the politics well done on your win.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272

    Have we had vote shares from the exit poll?

    Thanks

    We never get them from Curtice. It doesn't work like that.
    It aims to predict seats not votes.
    Which is why it is usually so accurate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092

    Andy_JS said:

    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.

    I will be disappointed if Greens only get 2 was hoping for 4
    BJO fans please explain...
  • YouGov's methodology change has been vindicated. Credit where credit is due.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,053
    Andy_JS said:
    You've predicted Bristol Central stays Red, but Waveney Valley goes Green.
    Hmpf.
    :(
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,159

    Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.

    No it implies a Lab to Reform swing of 3-5 points over the last 2 weeks.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586

    pinball13 said:

    I wanted to see Con under 100. Will be fun to see them spin this as a good result though!

    We already have the sight of Putinists trying to pretend that 13/650 seats is a good result.
    It is from zero
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    nova said:

    If it's 38% it's within the MoE isn't it? Labour was on 41% according to Opinium

    The final poll averages had Labour on about 39 with the Tories around 22.
    Is that just outside MoE? It's not exactly a "polling disaster" is it?
    We will see, but it’s quite possible that the polls are out by 4-5% on the lead, which is a big miss. Just shows, once again, how hard polling is.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,268
    Scott_xP said:

    Official Metaphor alert

    Charge of the Light Brigade

    119 Conservatives left after election

    Notes: “Someone had blundered”. Despite what Tennyson says, there were more than 600 of them at the start, although only 195 were left at the end, a loss of 68 per cent. This is, as it happens, also the rate for the Titanic, overall, including crew and passengers.

    Further note IF the exit poll is correct, Cons have lost equivalent of 64% of Tory MPS elected at 2019 GE.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 578
    Starmer and Labour need to go all out and deliver on things quickly. Get all the unpopular stuff out of the way early on, planning reform etc, go for broke - and hope that by 2029 they are popular with the electorate with a growing economy.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
    That would be 6 gains from the SNP I assume 6 of the following 7: Perth, Ayr, Moray West, Argyll, East Renfrewshire, Angus, Aberdeen South.
    I should have made a note but Stirling was definitely one. I don't think East Ren was
    Stirling and Perth were both CON gains.

  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Tories down 10% in Scotland so that would be 15%, can't imagine more than one gain for them in Scotland and that's only if the SNP have been very inefficient in their vote distribution.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,357
    edited July 4
    pigeon said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    Yes I'd have it around that too, maybe reform a couple of points lower and the LDs a couple higher given the projected seats.

    However it does show that the next Tory leader is going to have to shift the party rightwards. Maybe not as far as Braverman but definitely more than they are now which has felt centre left since Theresa May.
    In another universe, Rishi doesn't make an absolute balls of the campaign, particularly the start, he doesn't propose nonsense like National Service, meaning no Farage, and we are probably having a total different conversation.
    In another universe the imbecilic Tories didn't elect Liz Truss as leader.

    Rishi isn't very good but I doubt he would've failed historically badly without that additional baggage.
    That is a good point.

    For all the failing, for all the scandal, for all the crap administration. I have said this for donkeys years, you mess with people's mortgages, you are absolutely f##ked in this country. Truss actions have been linked (rightly or wrongly) to big spike in interest rates and that is when the British public get their pitchforks ready. Well not quite, we aren't France, they get their biros ready for the voting booth.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    Andy_JS said:

    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.

    I will be disappointed if Greens only get 2 was hoping for 4
    The Green rural targets were ambitious. Is the suggestion that the Tories have scraped together enough votes to hold them?

    Have seat details been published online anywhere?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,007
    The exit poll is pretty similar to the 2001 result

    - Labour 410 vs 419
    - Tories 131 vs 166
    - Lib Dems 53 vs 52
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Watching Campbell and Dorries arguing on C4 is like some horrible nightmare.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368
    Wonder what the Tories are feeling tonight about an October election.
  • MaxPB said:

    Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.

    No it implies a Lab to Reform swing of 3-5 points over the last 2 weeks.
    That's only if Reform actually get 13 seats, I am sceptical about that.

    The Lib Dems on 61 does imply tactical voting to me.

    I think Labour will end up just below 40% of the vote, within MoE of most of the polls.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,226
    darkage said:

    I think that by calling the early election Sunak has actually saved the conservative party. Things were not going to get any better for them had it been put off for another 6 months.

    It would merely have given more time for Conservative MPs to disgrace themselves and for the country to get even more annoyed with them.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    If Reform get 13 seats they're basically going to rename Question Time as Farage Time, right?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    edited July 4
    National vote shares don’t get projected iirc until roughly 1/4 of the seats have declared.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,604
    If the Reform vote share is ~20%, is the margin of error for the exit poll likely to be bigger than last time? Some seats will be unexpectedly marginal and we could end up with a lot of close calls or recounts.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,003

    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Is the election not now a referendum on Scottish independence?
    We cannot be kept prisoners forever, Independence is only a matter of time. The SNP do not equal Independence as they have proven.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439
    Cheltenham 99+% LD, Wolv West 99% + Labour but those were heavily odds on.

    Barnsley South
    likely Reform UK gain - 98% likelyhood
    possible Lab hold2%

    Pleased about this one, on for £15 at 8-1.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112

    Starmer and Labour need to go all out and deliver on things quickly. Get all the unpopular stuff out of the way early on, planning reform etc, go for broke - and hope that by 2029 they are popular with the electorate with a growing economy.

    Absolutely. Cowardice will just deliver a defeat in 2029.
  • TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    I am struggling to understand this analysis.

    Labour reverted back in the campaign to where they started, around 40%?

    We will see.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,357
    edited July 4
    Jonathan said:

    Wonder what the Tories are feeling tonight about an October election.

    Wouldn't it have changed anything? I am not sure it would.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,594
    Wow. Ed Balls: I'm sure Keir Starmer does have a plan.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,357

    Jonathan said:

    Wonder what the Tories are feeling tonight about an October election.

    Wouldn't it have changed anything? I am not sure it would.
    Inflation at 2% might have bedded in with the public.
  • I think Labour will end up anywhere between 400 and 430 in the end. Think Reform is too high.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    What did Jeremy Vine do to be exiled to Cardiff?
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    DM_Andy said:

    Angela Rayner seeming a touch lugubrious.

    That was almost word for word John Prescott's reaction to the 1997 exit poll. I'm sure she's seen that before.

    I had to turn her off - why can't she just answer the bleedin' question! I do my best to "big up" politicians but they don't do themselves any favours.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551

    Nunu5 said:

    Tories down 24% in the Midlands!

    The Midlands was BoJo territory. The Tories are being punished for chucking him out.
    Rubbish!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,082
    Jeremy Corbyn news: Islington North too close to call, and 2017 might have been better than 2024. PBers will have bet on both contingencies.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272
    Sir John Curtice (pbuh) on Radio 4 in a couple of minutes to clear up some questions.
    Uncertainty about SNP, Reform total apparently. All very close.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,357
    edited July 4
    Andy_JS said:

    Jonathan said:

    Wonder what the Tories are feeling tonight about an October election.

    Wouldn't it have changed anything? I am not sure it would.
    Inflation at 2% might have bedded in with the public.
    It is going up in the next month or two, it is already baked into the figures.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    MaxPB said:

    Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.

    No it implies a Lab to Reform swing of 3-5 points over the last 2 weeks.
    A Lab to Green swing too.

  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    Pulpstar said:

    Cheltenham 99+% LD, Wolv West 99% + Labour but those were heavily odds on.

    Barnsley South
    likely Reform UK gain - 98% likelyhood
    possible Lab hold2%

    Pleased about this one, on for £15 at 8-1.

    Damn they should of put someone up in Barnsley north.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Foxy said:

    Tories below 100 seats never seemed realistic.

    But Labour under 40% to me implies a large amount of tactical voting, which the MRPs did pick up.

    Yes, I think that a good point. LD on 61 is an excellent result. It couldn't have got there without Lab tactical votes.

    I think it must be a good LD vote percentage. The legacy of the Coalition is over.

    Well done Sir Ed Davey.
    People sneered at the ‘Lib Dem Fightback’ back in 2015-16. But less than a decade on they could have their best performance in living memory.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,212
    DavidL said:

    Portsmouth North too close to call.

    Hope Penny nabs it

    Yes, she is a much better way forward than the woke warriors who would lead them down another rabbit hole.
    The tories need to be coherant in opposition and not just pander to some imagined centrism.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327

    I think Labour will end up anywhere between 400 and 430 in the end. Think Reform is too high.

    Hope so.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,278
    edited July 4

    Jonathan said:

    Wonder what the Tories are feeling tonight about an October election.

    Wouldn't it have changed anything? I am not sure it would.
    Suspect Rishi knew a Rwanda flight wasn't going to happen before January. Regular Rwanda flights might have dented Reform.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,845
    130 or so is towards the upper end of my prediction of 50-150 for the Tories.

    Sunak may feel he won't be condemned for ever after all, as it may be roughly the result the Tories would have got over at any time over the last two years since Truss. Meanwhile Channel 4 is showing the BBC how to do it, or how it used to do it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,357
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:
    You've predicted Bristol Central stays Red, but Waveney Valley goes Green.
    Hmpf.
    :(
    Bristol Central is very close though, could go either way. Obviously I had to plumb one way or the other.
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