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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    My guess is that the Lib Dems will have seriously out performed their share of the vote.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,417
    Bored now.

    I want real results. We cannot be sure the exit poll is right, and we have what, three hours of broadcasters and pundits saying nothing.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,259
    Quite extraordinary,Channel 4 looks like the BBC's coverage of 20 or 30 years ago.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,273
    Andy_JS said:

    The shares I have that match up with Lab 407, Con 127 are Lab 35.8%, Con 24.6%.

    A Pyrrhic landslide for Starmer. This isn’t 1997 and he won’t have a Teflon first term.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,165
    carnforth said:

    Steve Baker 1%. Who here tipped him for LotO?

    Steve Baker
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    So the tory vote somehow held up more than some expectations, but it can’t be due to reform defectors coming back given their seats.

    But Lib Dem on 61 is beyond many expectations so also indicates tactical voting very high.

    So this looks like Reform must have taken way more off Labour than thought initially, so rather than all the tory vote in seats going labour, a lot went to reform an let the tories hold on?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    I messaged JohnO earlier on today and I said the Tories would get 110-130 seats.

    Hopefully it cheered him up, he was very down earlier.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    A major polling failure if the lead is only 12% compared to an average of about 19/20%.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    DougSeal said:

    Something for everyone, except the SNP, to smile about if that is the result.

    FPT

    I am far more confident of the Exit Poll than Laura. She is sceptical.

    I can apologise for panicking over my 1992 redux fear.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,947
    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    That Reform share is just extraordinary, if correct
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Is the election not now a referendum on Scottish independence?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    Christ, fucking Mandelson
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144

    I love how the Tory figure is like “HOLY SH*T but actually it’s kinda OK because it could have been 60…..”

    Yes, the overegged MRPs take the shine off what is truly an electoral miracle
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,067
    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Not a wipeout for the Tories, and I think tomorrow morning the Tory number is up by ~20 and the Labour and Lib Dem numbers drop by ~10 each

    For betting reasons, if the Tory total could just sneak over 150...
    I'd win £70 if it did, but I don't want to!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 620

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1808970758166806966

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Key takeaway from that is Nigel Farage is the new leader of the British Right.

    That begs the question of whether Nigel Farage is one of the 13-ish.
    13 plays 130 good luck with that! Key takeaway from Dan Hodges tweet is that he's an idiot.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Leon said:

    WHAT are the percentages????

    It'll be around Lab 36/37%, Con 24/25%.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    A major polling failure if the lead is only 12% compared to an average of about 19/20%.
    It MIGHT be as low as 10%
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,612
    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    .

    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Is the election not now a referendum on Scottish independence?
    Each one is, until they win. See also: EU.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,691
    My main fuckup is cashing out of my "buy" on Reform seats on the spreads, and selling their voteshare.

    But we'll see.
  • BobSykesBobSykes Posts: 46
    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,165

    Kerching Lab implied vote share about 38% according to ITV

    Four figure winning night for me if they get less than 12,877,000 votes

    That was a great bet you put on. Well done.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 190
    TOPPING said:

    WHAT ARE THE IMPLIED VOTESHARES???!!

    Yes!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    Hoyle must be delighted. It looked like he could’ve had a horrible scrabble on his hands working out who the opposition were and how to split the questions. It looks like it will fall very neatly for him. Tories six, LDs two, REF or SNP get the other.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,690
    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    I imagine the greens have taken a little more from Labour. Maybe 8% Green?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,239
    edited July 4
    CatMan said:

    Assuming the exit poll is broadly correct, which MRP was the most accurate?

    None of them. Survation was good on Lib Dems, Reform and SNP but woefully short on the Conservative number. Other MRPs, eg YouGov, much better on the Conservatives but had Reform on only a couple of seats.

    I should add this stuff is tricky. It only takes a vote share up or down by a single percentage point to make a big difference in seat numbers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    A major polling failure if the lead is only 12% compared to an average of about 19/20%.
    It MIGHT be as low as 10%
    My forecast is 11.2% and I get Lab 407, Con 127.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    carnforth said:

    Steve Baker 1%. Who here tipped him for LotO?

    Pedantly, the BBC says less than 1%. Could be 0.1%.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
    I reacted in a not that dissimilar way (well, laughing more than punching the air) and I'm supposed to be a Lib Dem!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    Yes I'd have it around that too, maybe reform a couple of points lower and the LDs a couple higher given the projected seats.

    However it does show that the next Tory leader is going to have to shift the party rightwards. Maybe not as far as Braverman but definitely more than they are now which has felt centre left since Theresa May.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118
    edited July 4
    Taz said:

    Labour vote only up 2 or 3 outside Scotland!

    Corbyn did better in 2017. Explain that SKS fans.
    Corbyn only won 262 seats, Explain that JC fans!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    Shame if Baker has lost his seat. Comes across as a nice guy.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    That Reform share is just extraordinary, if correct
    If the Reform is above 17.5, I lose a considerable amount of money. But I would lose a lot more if the Tories don`t come second.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Bassetlaw projected to go Reform
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 489
    edited July 4
    Reform may have 13, but I don't think they will take over the tories now. I would much rather a moderate right survives to block the radicals than the tories getting wiped out. The tories will know that there is not tacking to the right. Reform will never stop before the tories become reform, so the tories might as well double down on credible centre right policies for a future millenial voting base
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    The red wall is, well, red. Again.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 141
    Martin Baxter on G Beebies reckons Lab 36% Cons 26%
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,186
    pigeon said:

    I love how the Tory figure is like “HOLY SH*T but actually it’s kinda OK because it could have been 60…..”

    Think labour have badly underperformed to be honest and thats probably saved 30 to 50 tory seats.
    Oh rot. The largest victory in Labour history does not constitute an underperformance.
    Yes, but many of us thought that the Tory figure would be sub-100, so there was an expectation there.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Kerching Lab implied vote share about 38% according to ITV

    Four figure winning night for me if they get less than 12,877,000 votes

    Which was of course slightly less than TMay got in 2017. Which is all that matters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    Yes I'd have it around that too, maybe reform a couple of points lower and the LDs a couple higher given the projected seats.

    However it does show that the next Tory leader is going to have to shift the party rightwards. Maybe not as far as Braverman but definitely more than they are now which has felt centre left since Theresa May.
    In another universe, Rishi doesn't make an absolute balls of the campaign, particularly the start, he doesn't propose nonsense like National Service, meaning no Farage, and we are probably having a total different conversation.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
    Come on Big G, you've never celebrated a Tory gain? Ever?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Big con gains in scotland according to the exit poll.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would guess the vote shares are:

    Labour 37%
    Con 25%
    Reform 19%
    LD 12%
    Green 5%

    Yes I'd have it around that too, maybe reform a couple of points lower and the LDs a couple higher given the projected seats.

    However it does show that the next Tory leader is going to have to shift the party rightwards. Maybe not as far as Braverman but definitely more than they are now which has felt centre left since Theresa May.
    Even though there are ~4x as many seats to be taken off the Lib Dems compared to Reform? And ~40 times as many Labour seats? Go right after the ~13?

    It's Hague -> IDS all over again!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    edited July 4
    99% probability that Perth and Kinross-shire is a Tory gain. Hahahahahah

    And Angus and the Glens too close to call but Tories in lead. Hilarious.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Giving the Tories alot of seats in Scotland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,545
    Unite the Right, under Reform
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976
    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    SNP could have collapsed to labour and Tory took the seat by default.

    Next Tory leader from Scotland?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022

    Andy_JS said:

    The shares I have that match up with Lab 407, Con 127 are Lab 35.8%, Con 24.6%.

    A Pyrrhic landslide for Starmer. This isn’t 1997 and he won’t have a Teflon first term.
    I agree but allow us labour voters to enjoy their moment.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,360
    What did Steve Baker say that the BBC are alluding to?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    DM_Andy said:

    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
    Come on Big G, you've never celebrated a Tory gain? Ever?
    Live on television, as leader of a national party?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,129
    I can't say the Conservatives didn't deserve it, nor that Labour did
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    Bloody hell, SNP nearly as unpopular as the Tories.

    Proportionally a rather bigger drop in MPs.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    Often exit polls can be out by 20-25 seats. Possible value in Labour 350-399 range on BF. Currently 5.5

    Nah, think it could be the other way.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,612
    DM_Andy said:

    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
    Come on Big G, you've never celebrated a Tory gain? Ever?
    Not like Sturgeon did
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WHAT are the percentages????

    It'll be around Lab 36/37%, Con 24/25%.
    That's what the BFX markets seem to calculate it as.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Bassetlaw projected to go Reform

    Lol

    I voted Tory.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,186
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    WHAT ARE THE IMPLIED VOTESHARES???!!

    Yes,quite

    It's looking horribly like I've LOST my vote - incredibly - to @Sandpit and the Tories will gain a seat, however I need to know if I've lost to @TimS
    What were the terms of the bet again? I recall that you stood to win £10K...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    DavidL said:

    99% probability that Perth and Kinross-shire is a Tory gain. Hahahahahah

    And Angus and the Glens too close to call but Tories in lead. Hilarious.

    Where are you getting that info from?
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Now awaiting the first result for more cues.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Chameleon said:

    Big con gains in scotland according to the exit poll.

    The Scot Nats were rather abusive when I said that was a possibility.

    I will die pissing myself laughing if the SCons end up with more MPs than the SNP.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,239
    Chameleon said:

    Big con gains in scotland according to the exit poll.

    That does surprise me.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919

    So the tory vote somehow held up more than some expectations, but it can’t be due to reform defectors coming back given their seats.

    But Lib Dem on 61 is beyond many expectations so also indicates tactical voting very high.

    So this looks like Reform must have taken way more off Labour than thought initially, so rather than all the tory vote in seats going labour, a lot went to reform an let the tories hold on?

    And this is where the concern lands. If REF have grabbed seats and second places in the Red Wall and the Tories in the Shires, an electoral alliance could be formidable.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022

    Taz said:

    Labour vote only up 2 or 3 outside Scotland!

    Corbyn did better in 2017. Explain that SKS fans.
    Corbyn only won 262 seats, Explain that JC fans!
    Sorry Sunil, I was being facetious not serious.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    RobD said:

    DM_Andy said:

    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    When you think to how she reacted to Jo Swinsons loss tonight is wonderful for her to see how it feels
    Come on Big G, you've never celebrated a Tory gain? Ever?
    Live on television, as leader of a national party?
    I don't want Big G to dox himself :smiley:

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,612

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    ...
    image
    Exactly
  • If it's 38% it's within the MoE isn't it? Labour was on 41% according to Opinium
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Any word on Clacton?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Aberdeenshire North and Moray East is almost certainly going to be a Tory hold on these figures I'd have thought.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022
    So Corbyn doesn’t look like he’s won.
  • BobSykesBobSykes Posts: 46
    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    Andy_JS said:

    The shares I have that match up with Lab 407, Con 127 are Lab 35.8%, Con 24.6%.

    A Pyrrhic landslide for Starmer. This isn’t 1997 and he won’t have a Teflon first term.
    Comical William at the gates of Baghdad
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WHAT are the percentages????

    It'll be around Lab 36/37%, Con 24/25%.
    That's what the BFX markets seem to calculate it as.
    If thats true the corbynites will be saying their chap would do better.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    Taz said:

    So Corbyn doesn’t look like he’s won.

    Oh well how sad never mind.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Taz said:

    So Corbyn doesn’t look like he’s won.

    Oh it just gets better.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4
    MaxPB said:

    I also think that polling companies need to have a rethink around how they recruit their panels. I think there's been infiltration in political panels, especially for some of the more well known polling companies.

    We seem to continually having this conversation.....

    Dave Gorman did a very funny bit a while back about YouGov panel data.
  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 83
    I wanted to see Con under 100. Will be fun to see them spin this as a good result though!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    How’s that mandate for independence looking? Hmm?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    Are the BBC vote falls pecentages or percentage points?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,186
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    So Corbyn doesn’t look like he’s won.

    Oh it just gets better.
    Paging BJO...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Labour types slightly disappointed with staggeringly large majority; Cons delighted to be alive with potentially worst result in history. Expectations are weird things

    https://x.com/duncanrobinson/status/1808973581545848903
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Tory vote 29% down in the Midlands
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,709
    Angela Rayner seeming a touch lugubrious.
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91

    MaxPB said:

    I also think that polling companies need to have a rethink around how they recruit their panels. I think there's been infiltration in political panels, especially for some of the more well known polling companies.

    We seem to continually having this conversation.....
    Hang on the exit poll may be out yet. We wait.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    Reform may have 13, but I don't think they will take over the tories now. I would much rather a moderate right survives to block the radicals than the tories getting wiped out. The tories will know that there is not tacking to the right. Reform will never stop before the tories become reform, so the tories might as well double down on credible centre right policies for a future millenial voting base

    If the Tories are on 130, they will not be in hock to Reform, particularly as amongst the Reform MPs there will be some nutters.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,155
    RobD said:

    Any word on Clacton?

    ITV's graphic showed the exit poll predicting it for Reform, unless I misread it.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Ange is very solid
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
    That would be 6 gains from the SNP I assume 6 of the following 7: Perth, Ayr, Moray West, Argyll, East Renfrewshire, Angus, Aberdeen South.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    glw said:

    Everyone is presumably switching to ITV to see Sturgeon's face.

    She's got some sauce to show up on the ITV panel bearing in mind her current predicament.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,417
    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1808970758166806966

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Key takeaway from that is Nigel Farage is the new leader of the British Right.

    That begs the question of whether Nigel Farage is one of the 13-ish.
    13 plays 130 good luck with that! Key takeaway from Dan Hodges tweet is that he's an idiot.
    If Reform votes are comparable to the LibDems for a quarter of the seats, there may be more pressure for electoral reform.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BobSykes said:

    Itv reckon 12 Tory MPs in Scotland. That sounds dodgy

    That must be a mis-speak.
    No they just showed them. I didn't make a note but definitely 12. Confirmed on the madi
    That would be 6 gains from the SNP I assume 6 of the following 7: Perth, Ayr, Moray West, Argyll, East Renfrewshire, Angus, Aberdeen South.
    Stirling was on the list
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,612

    Hoyle must be delighted. It looked like he could’ve had a horrible scrabble on his hands working out who the opposition were and how to split the questions. It looks like it will fall very neatly for him. Tories six, LDs two, REF or SNP get the other.

    Not sure he will be Speaker
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976
    Tories down 24% in the Midlands!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    MaxPB said:

    I also think that polling companies need to have a rethink around how they recruit their panels. I think there's been infiltration in political panels, especially for some of the more well known polling companies.

    Most of the MRPs taking Con under 100 seats and battling with the Lib-Dems for Official Opposition status are looking ridiculous aren't they?
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