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  • I hope you all bet on Baso when I told you!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054
    Ratters said:

    The exit poll is pretty similar to the 2001 result

    - Labour 410 vs 419
    - Tories 131 vs 166
    - Lib Dems 53 vs 52

    I wouldn't be surprised if we actually finished very close to that tomorrow morning. From there it's 1.5 electoral cycles to get back into the lead for the Tories which is about enough time for them to figure out they need to become the party of work and hammer Labour on the worklessness problem that's only going to grow in the next few years.
  • SkiddertonSkidderton Posts: 15
    Reform in double figures would be interesting, Nigel Farage having to appoint a front bench, and that vetting company hoping they wielded out most of the undesirables
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    edited July 4
    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    More likely it’s a modelling miss, rather than a polling miss.

    Question remains, whether the miss is more the MRPs, or actually the exit poll? The exit poll only spoke to 20,000-odd voters, and in way way far fewer locations than the MRPs.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Finchley going Lib Dem. Thought Labour were odds on to win!
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    There are still lots of comfortably off pensioners in this country who can easily be swayed back into the tory camp.
  • BobSykesBobSykes Posts: 46
    Now I've come back out from behind the drugs sofa and calmed down, obviously relieved at these numbers but also nervous. Many of those Tory holds must be wafer thin and likely to not come off. 12 Scots Tories seems way out of kilter with expectations

    So could the Tories still end up around 100??

    I'm worrying again now we're getting some of the projections through
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Kerching Lab implied vote share about 38% according to ITV

    Four figure winning night for me if they get less than 12,877,000 votes

    Which was of course slightly less than TMay got in 2017. Which is all that matters.
    Not for my 4 figure win it's not. The fact they fell well short of 12.877m is all that matters for that.

    SKS looks like being circa 1 million votes short of Jezza 2017. How unpopular must he be

    SKS fans please explain how that could possibly be right.
    I will. SKS is more popular than Corbyn. There, I’ve said it. He’s going to be PM. You never mention 2019 do you. You know, the one when your man handed us Boris Fucking Johnson on a plate. You only mention the 2017 performance - where he still lost. SKS has saved the Labour Party from the ruin that
    that arsehole led it into.

    Corbyn was a failure. He lost 2 GEs - the second by a record amount. No one could carry on after that. SKS was then democratically elected leader of the Labour Party and (it appears) has now been democratically elected Prime Minister. On the first attempt. So he’s more successful than Corbyn on every metric.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    Wow. Ed Balls: I'm sure Keir Starmer does have a plan.

    If he does it was a pretty well kept secret.

    I wonder how Rachel's "shocked" look is coming on.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,840
    Vine on Beeb: almost all the Tory marginals projected to go, except in Scotland.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    ...
    image
    Exactly
    Hubris from Tories who have had a good thrashing, as popular as a bag of shit. Man up instead of trying to say "look a squirrel".
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,948
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Is the election not now a referendum on Scottish independence?
    We cannot be kept prisoners forever, Independence is only a matter of time. The SNP do not equal Independence as they have proven.
    The Scottish electorate is so volatile there is always hope for independence. Give it 5 years and you might have every seat going to the SNP again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    Taz said:

    Jeremy Vine is a dick

    Careful, he loves getting his lawyers involved.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited July 4
    Bassetlaw is TCTC apparently

    If Jo (Lab) snaffles it it's probably thanks to Brendan (Con and predicted 3rd) holding back some Reform voters. My guess is he'll run in 2029 for Reform and win here
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Andy_JS said:

    Sceptical about:

    1. Tories on 12 seats in Scotland
    2. Reform on 13 seats

    Everything else looks very plausible.

    I will be disappointed if Greens only get 2 was hoping for 4
    3 or 4 is very possible.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Looks like Reform are going to be the Wimbledon (FC) of this Parliament.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    Karma.
    Is the election not now a referendum on Scottish independence?
    We cannot be kept prisoners forever, Independence is only a matter of time. The SNP do not equal Independence as they have proven.
    You may feel you are a prisoner but not enough of your countrymen agree.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4
    Jonathan said:

    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .

    I thought Labour campaign in the media was fine. It was very disciplined and they weren't trying to sell some grand vision like 1997. It was be disciplined, don't say stupid shit, sound reasonable. And they kept the people most likely to drop a clanger well away from the media.
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    More likely it’s a modelling miss, rather than a polling miss.

    Question remains, whether the miss is more the MRPs, or actually the exit poll? The exit poll only spoke to 20,000-odd voters, and in way way far fewer locations than the MRPs.
    We have to allow for the exit poll being off by 20 to 30 seats.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Chameleon said:

    Big con gains in scotland according to the exit poll.

    The Scot Nats were rather abusive when I said that was a possibility.

    I will die pissing myself laughing if the SCons end up with more MPs than the SNP.
    Who were these Scot nats given there are only 3 or 4 of us on here at best?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,691
    Tewkesbury looks a Tory hold
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    Tewkesbury predicted Tory, I know a couple here were interested.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    pigeon said:

    Vine on Beeb: almost all the Tory marginals projected to go, except in Scotland.

    What an arse. What's his definition of a marginal? Anything under 15k?
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    I think Farage leading the Tories might still happen.

    13 Reform seats will give him a presence.

    It will be very tempting for some to look at the Tory vote share, and Reform on circa 20%, and think "if you add them together, you beat Labour."

    Farage might not be the *next* Tory leader but he might yet become one.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682

    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    I am struggling to understand this analysis.

    Labour reverted back in the campaign to where they started, around 40%?

    We will see.
    That’s not true.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    Richmond predicted Tory hold.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976
    Reform take Basstlelaw
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    edited July 4
    Tories doing best in wealthy seats? Message about Labour taxing the rich getting through?

    Realignment unwind?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,472
    Youse lot all waiting on Blyth and Ashington.
    The English Riviera.
    Wor all just chilling.
    Not dark yet here. But it's getting there.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Nunu5 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cheltenham 99+% LD, Wolv West 99% + Labour but those were heavily odds on.

    Barnsley South
    likely Reform UK gain - 98% likelyhood
    possible Lab hold2%

    Pleased about this one, on for £15 at 8-1.

    Damn they should of put someone up in Barnsley north.
    Barnsley North is gone too.

    Amazing each was 8-1 tbh given how close Brexit got in Barnsley East and Central in 2019.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,691
    Pulpstar said:

    Cheltenham 99+% LD, Wolv West 99% + Labour but those were heavily odds on.

    Barnsley South
    likely Reform UK gain - 98% likelyhood
    possible Lab hold2%

    Pleased about this one, on for £15 at 8-1.

    Well done.
  • TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    I am struggling to understand this analysis.

    Labour reverted back in the campaign to where they started, around 40%?

    We will see.
    That’s not true.
    You say it's not true but have you discounted those polls that changed their methodology half way through?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited July 4
    bookies suggesting turnout over 65% ! Reform voters I suspect coming out to vote like the euro ref . Would back up the 13 seats , maybe more!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789

    If Reform get 13 seats they're basically going to rename Question Time as Farage Time, right?

    There would be 12 other Ref MPs to take turns with.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Tory wipeout in London??
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,111
    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    It's too early to say it's a polling miss. It's an Electoral Calculus Baxter seat prediction miss.

    The MRPs seem reasonably good to me given the size of the change involved.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,472
    Tory statement shockingly ungracious.
    Typical.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited July 4
    Nunu5 said:

    Reform take Basstlelaw

    It's close - 56% chance to Reform, 44% for Jo (Labour).

    Quite amazing given they didn't do any work here :D

    The Reform candidate is older than Biden. If it's a Labour Gain it'll be thanks to BCS hiving off a few Reform voters. I expect Brendan will run here for Reform (He is quite Reformy tbh) next time round and win if that's the case.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    YOU CAN FIND HOW EACH SEAT WILL GO ACCORDING TO THE EXIT POLL HERE

    https://news.sky.com/story/exit-poll-what-is-the-forecast-election-result-in-my-constituency-13163180
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    Naga munchetty can't pronounce "Blyth".
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,247
    Reform 13 seats but only 2 Great Yarmouth and Bassetlaw on Vine's list. Does that mean there are some gains from Lab?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    SMukesh said:

    Finchley going Lib Dem. Thought Labour were odds on to win!

    They’re just working from last time’s result. That’s down to 60 already for the LDs.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,691
    DavidL said:

    God I miss George Osborne.

    He's on ITV
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Portsmouth North too close to call.

    Hope Penny nabs it

    Hopefully she gets severely shafted
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    I think Farage leading the Tories might still happen.

    13 Reform seats will give him a presence.

    It will be very tempting for some to look at the Tory vote share, and Reform on circa 20%, and think "if you add them together, you beat Labour."

    Farage might not be the *next* Tory leader but he might yet become one.

    Reverse takeover is theoretically possible but the Tory rump will be the southern "One Nation" Lib Dem-types who won't have him in the party.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890

    Looks like Reform are going to be the Wimbledon (FC) of this Parliament.

    The Crazy Gang? Indeed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    Tory wipeout in London??

    No there is a much smaller swing in London, which means it must be bigger elsewhere...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845

    Reform 13 seats but only 2 Great Yarmouth and Bassetlaw on Vine's list. Does that mean there are some gains from Lab?

    Good spot.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Bad news for Rochdale.


  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 4
    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    But I'll believe all those results when they happen...
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Interesting listening to the seat by seat analysis. Looking at this the seats that are the probable target of the labour party planning reforms have been lost from the tories to the lib dems.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    carnforth said:

    Richmond predicted Tory hold.

    Decent odds still available
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,840
    DavidL said:

    pigeon said:

    Vine on Beeb: almost all the Tory marginals projected to go, except in Scotland.

    What an arse. What's his definition of a marginal? Anything under 15k?
    To be fair he was going through the Tory seats from most to least vulnerable in blocks of 50. I was describing in real time and elected not to write an essay.

    Almost all the first 150 are projected to go, except the Scottish seats which are all held, presumably because of Unionist consolidation and the rollback of the SNP.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022

    Taz said:

    Jeremy Vine is a dick

    Careful, he loves getting his lawyers involved.
    I know. Barton was deservedly sued and deservedly lost.

    I just find him incredibly irritating. His piece to camera was garbled nonsense. He is no Peter Snow for sure.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Did the LDs even campaign in Finchley? Can't see it myself.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,545
    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    Yes, our bet is going to be very close
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704

    Jonathan said:

    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .

    I thought Labour campaign in the media was fine. It was very disciplined and they weren't trying to sell some grand vision like 1997. It was be disciplined, don't say stupid shit, sound reasonable. And they kept the people most likely to drop a clanger well away from the media.
    Very disciplined, but could have risked a bit of excitement. Just a tad. Too apologetic imo.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats

    🗳️ Change in Labour vote share by region [EXIT POLL]

    🔴 Scotland +18%
    🔴 Midlands +4%
    🔴 North +3%
    🔴 South +2%
    🔴 London -2%
    🔴 Wales -2%

    Via
    @IpsosUK"

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1808973317493113113
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    God I miss George Osborne.

    He's on ITV
    I know and his summary of how Sunak has screwed things up by failing to address the "demons" in his party unlike Starmer chucking out Corbyn was spot on.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682

    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    I am struggling to understand this analysis.

    Labour reverted back in the campaign to where they started, around 40%?

    We will see.
    That’s not true.
    You say it's not true but have you discounted those polls that changed their methodology half way through?
    No, just looking at the poll tracker. Started the campaign around 43, look to have ended at 37-38.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4

    Looks like Reform are going to be the Wimbledon (FC) of this Parliament.

    I remember seeing them live when they were the crazy gang, they were actually a lot more skillful than they get got credit for. It was often pump it long to the wings, but then they could really play. And if the opposition had the ball, f##king kick'em in the stands.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited July 4
    Interesting that Con are doing quite well in Scotland. That's a big difference to 1997 when they were totally wiped out?

    Anyone know why that would be?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Farage 99%
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,165
    David Lammy expects to be Foreign Secretary
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220

    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    Lol, looks like I've messed up my Scotland betting.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    Spare a thought for the pandas.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,247

    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    Wow so Con actually gaining seats in Scotland!
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,840

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    More likely it’s a modelling miss, rather than a polling miss.

    Question remains, whether the miss is more the MRPs, or actually the exit poll? The exit poll only spoke to 20,000-odd voters, and in way way far fewer locations than the MRPs.
    We have to allow for the exit poll being off by 20 to 30 seats.
    Agree. And the Reform projection could be especially variable. I suspect that it principally relies on wins in unpredictable three way marginals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,545
    That said, one of the big stories of the election - if the exit polls verify - is the OVER-performance of Reform

    They aren't "down at 8%". they are much closer to 18%. So a lot of Reform-sceptics are looking quite foolish
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,472
    carnforth said:

    Naga munchetty can't pronounce "Blyth".

    They needed a Prudhoe and Ponteland seat.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 190
    Jonathan said:

    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .

    I’d agree. Those stunts were the right thing to do in the circumstances
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Boston and Skeggy, marginally Con favourites. Louth TCTC also.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited July 4
    Didn't expect two Reform gains in Barnsley although I thought they'd get about 30% of the vote.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118
    dixiedean said:

    Youse lot all waiting on Blyth and Ashington.
    The English Riviera.
    Wor all just chilling.
    Not dark yet here. But it's getting there.

    When's the Ashington train line opening?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,691
    .
    Andy_JS said:

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats

    🗳️ Change in Labour vote share by region [EXIT POLL]

    🔴 Scotland +18%
    🔴 Midlands +4%
    🔴 North +3%
    🔴 South +2%
    🔴 London -2%
    🔴 Wales -2%

    Via
    @IpsosUK"

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1808973317493113113

    So, a bit shit, really?
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    malcolmg said:

    Just look at her face when the exit poll came out.


    ...
    image
    Exactly
    Hubris from Tories who have had a good thrashing, as popular as a bag of shit. Man up instead of trying to say "look a squirrel".
    Why do you call her a squirrel? Ungentlemanly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,273
    Exit poll predicting Hartlepool as a 91% chance for Reform.

    Some people should have listened to me!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Corbyn TCTC
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,091
    I hope you all have a good night, everyone. I'll be popping in as & when I wake up throughout the night. May all your bets be successful.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,948

    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    Aberdeen South would be something.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Ashfield looks very odd, 46% chance Labour Gain, 44% Ashfield Independents Gain? That doesn't seem plausible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Rochdale Labour
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,054

    David Lammy expects to be Foreign Secretary

    Expect us to have given away Jersey to France by accident.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .

    I thought Labour campaign in the media was fine. It was very disciplined and they weren't trying to sell some grand vision like 1997. It was be disciplined, don't say stupid shit, sound reasonable. And they kept the people most likely to drop a clanger well away from the media.
    Very disciplined, but could have risked a bit of excitement. Just a tad. Too apologetic imo.
    Its the Gareth Southgate approach to management, but actually winning.

    Now the difficult bit. My concern with Labour this time around, I don't think the wider team is very strong once you get past Reeves, Streeting, etc. 1997 there were plenty of people who even if you disagree with politically, you could see they could do a job.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,811
    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting that Con are doing quite well in Scotland. That's a big difference to 1997 when they were totally wiped out?

    Anyone know why that would be?

    SNP?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,845
    edited July 4
    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:

    Richmond predicted Tory hold.

    Decent odds still available
    Sadly for us peasants who only use ordinary bookmakers, Ladbrokes have closed the constituency markets. I put a few quid on Reform under 11.5 at evens.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Pulpstar said:

    Rochdale Labour

    Do we know about Islington North?
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Exit poll says Rochdale is likely 99% Lab hold which means Galloway loses.

    Good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Basildon and Billericay is 56% Tory, 31% Labour.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,948
    Leon said:

    That said, one of the big stories of the election - if the exit polls verify - is the OVER-performance of Reform

    They aren't "down at 8%". they are much closer to 18%. So a lot of Reform-sceptics are looking quite foolish

    I was one of them. Woops!
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976

    Scotland exit poll:




    In a "chuck the buggers out" election, in Scotland the SNP were the buggers....

    Wow so Con actually gaining seats in Scotland!
    It could be some very close results. Last time the exit poll had sno at 55 they got 48.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956

    darkage said:

    I think that by calling the early election Sunak has actually saved the conservative party. Things were not going to get any better for them had it been put off for another 6 months.

    It would merely have given more time for Conservative MPs to disgrace themselves and for the country to get even more annoyed with them.
    Ah but not being a football fan, Sunak failed to recognise the reflected glory the Tory Gov't would surely have received by dint of England winning Euro 2024.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rochdale Labour

    Do we know about Islington North?
    TCTC
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    This is actually a polling miss. The Tories have - surprise surprise - done better than the polls expected and it seems that Labour have had a decline during the campaign that in any normal election would have been catastrophic. They were just so far ahead beforehand that it didn’t matter, and their main opponents shat the bed.

    And SNP and Green seem to have underperformed polling. Looks like Lib Dems are probably on par.

    So all in all, Plaid excepted, the more left wing the party the more the polls overstate them.

    I may even have won my mini bet with @Leon

    Next election, pollsters, just add 5% on to any right of centre party and you’ll be spot on.

    Yes, our bet is going to be very close
    Turns out that normalcy bias is called that for a reason. As per our discussion recently, yes a Lab win but a "normal" Lab win.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    I thought Ed Davey had the best campaign. Labour’s campaign in the media was poor in my opinion. On the ground obviously quite impressive. .

    I thought Labour campaign in the media was fine. It was very disciplined and they weren't trying to sell some grand vision like 1997. It was be disciplined, don't say stupid shit, sound reasonable. And they kept the people most likely to drop a clanger well away from the media.
    Very disciplined, but could have risked a bit of excitement. Just a tad. Too apologetic imo.
    Its the Gareth Southgate approach to management, but actually winning.

    Now the difficult bit.
    Could have won a few more votes. A bit more positivity and the Tories got off very lightly.
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