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  • JamesFJamesF Posts: 42
    Andy_JS said:

    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    I suspect it'll be less than 1,000 votes either way, and there'll be a recount to establish the winner.
    That's what the campagin team tell me too. But I take what they say with a pinch of salt because their message is designed to keep me motivated. If I went on the even less good evidence of the posters I see and the door-step conversations I've had, it would be a green landslide.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Andy_JS said:

    Young people today.

    "Emma Raducanu says she did not know general election vote was on Thursday

    At a press conference, Raducanu was asked if she would vote before practising on Thursday, and if she would keep an eye on the general election in the evening. “No,” she replied, smiling. “I think I’ll have a lie-in, then I’ll come to practise.

    “I didn’t even know it was tomorrow, to be honest! Thanks for letting me know.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/03/emma-raducanu-claims-ignorance-of-general-election-and-says-she-will-lie-in

    Emma could learn a thing or two from Taylor Swift. It’s good when icons for the young show it’s important to vote.

    If she still lives in Bromley, it’s a seat worth voting in.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,154
    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    I used to love doing early mornings on polling day!

    You just had to take care not to kick over the milk bottles - or, if you did, remember not to leave a leaflet.

    Back in the day when milk bottles were a thing, obvs.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909

    Site notice.

    For today and tomorrow I am lifting the one photo a day limit but on the following conditions.

    1) Only one photo per post

    2) The extra photo allowance must be election related. So no photos of what you had for lunch.

    I will endeavour to create something worth sharing.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,245

    I’m going to treat myself to a little bottle of supermarket whisky for tonights celebrations before Keith taxes my income into oblivion. Any suggestions?

    Any blend from Lidl :s
    Lidl whiskies are Whyte and Mackay I believe and pretty good. Their unnamed single Speyside and Highland malts presumably come from Tamnavulin and Dalmore distilleries and cost £18
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,905

    Site notice.

    For today and tomorrow I am lifting the one photo a day limit but on the following conditions.

    1) Only one photo per post

    2) The extra photo allowance must be election related. So no photos of what you had for lunch.

    Photos of Friday night dinner?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Carnyx said:

    Damn this abscess as I am denied the opportunity to knock up the voters today.

    Did you ever tell us *where* it was? Asking out of a spirit of scientific curiosity. No need to tell us if you haven't, though if it is a pilonidal one they are apparently real bastards.
    I had a pilonidal abcess removed, as did my Dad. It was excruciating when it blew up but wasn’t especially painful while it healed - but it took several weeks of daily visits to the nurse for ‘packing’.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    I forgot to tell PB that yesterday I was offered and accepted a Newly Qualified solicitor job at my current firm, starting in September. Career change (which some of you might remember) very nearly complete. :)

    I've got a lawyer themed thread coming up this afternoon.

    You should read it, it may inspire you to make another career move.
    Especially if you’re using the Shakespeare quote…
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 100
    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    Glad you made it back out safely

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,953
    IanB2 said:

    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    I used to love doing early mornings on polling day!

    You just had to take care not to kick over the milk bottles - or, if you did, remember not to leave a leaflet.

    Back in the day when milk bottles were a thing, obvs.
    They still are a thing in my area.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    ToryJim said:

    I forgot to tell PB that yesterday I was offered and accepted a Newly Qualified solicitor job at my current firm, starting in September. Career change (which some of you might remember) very nearly complete. :)

    I've got a lawyer themed thread coming up this afternoon.

    You should read it, it may inspire you to make another career move.
    Especially if you’re using the Shakespeare quote…
    Shakespeare should be banned for that quote. What do you expect from an antisemite? I mean have you read The Merchant of Venice?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,363
    bobbob said:

    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    Glad you made it back out safely

    Yes, all the avocado skins littering the pavements. Dangerous.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    Observations from East Yorkshire. Out early this morning to cut the front hedge (estate agent taking photos at lunchtime).

    Polling station at the top of the road. Usually a steady flow of voters throughout the day. Less of a flow and more of a torrent so far. Lots of cars parking up on the road to vote. Far more people than usual walking to vote. My neighbour came back just after 7.30 grumbling about how busy it was.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Eagles, the Merchant of Venice was one of the plays quoted by General Chang, I believe.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,953
    ToryJim said:

    I’ve made the sensible decision to only watch the first few results tonight as I’m heading away for the weekend tomorrow morning. . Hoping Broxbourne doesn’t end up in recount territory and declares by 1:30 ish as I used to be highly involved down there and would like to know how it goes.

    It'll most likely be the smallest Tory majority ever in Broxbourne.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    edited July 4
    Ghedebrav said:

    Doxxing myself, but democratic duty done. I have voted Liberal Democrat, and hopefully someone in Bradford is returning the favour by voting Green for me.

    Bowling pavilion I think is 7/10 on the whimsical-polling-place-o-meter. I’m sure someone here can easily beat that.


    Deleted - my pic was very big
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,494
    Andy_JS said:

    "Prisca Thevenot, Macronist spokeswoman, has been attacked in her seat in Hauts de Seine 8eme. She got away unscathed but one of her team has been hospitalised with a broken jaw."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-spokesperson-attacked-while-campaigning/

    This, very close to where I live:

    Candidate halts campaign after son is 'beaten up'

    A group of about eight people arrived on motorbikes and cars before attacking a victim with a baseball bat, West Midlands Police said.

    The road where it happened is actually pretty posh and very quiet. It's hard to imagine an attack like this happening there. I'm actually pretty shocked by this.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    Foxy said:

    I think I might be the only non-teetotaller on this site who doesn't actually like whisky.

    I'll probably be drinking Kraken which is my go to normally, but I might go for a different rum.

    Dark Matter is rather good.

    I have a bottle of Woods 100 for emergencies.
    Not tried either of those yet, thanks for the tip.
    Woods 100 is now called Woods Old Navy I think, presumably because no-one can remember when spirits were declared in degrees proof
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,212

    algarkirk said:

    Site notice.

    For today and tomorrow I am lifting the one photo a day limit but on the following conditions.

    1) Only one photo per post

    2) The extra photo allowance must be election related. So no photos of what you had for lunch.

    What about it I eat a dog at a polling station?
    So long as its not a hot dog that should be quite interesting to see.
    Bringing back memories of Michelle Bachmann and the Iowa State Fair Corn Dog incident. Google Michelle Bachmann Corn Dog if you haven’t seen it b4.
    Sounds a bit NSFW.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    edited July 4
    As the Tories look into the electoral abyss be happy in the knowledge that, on policy, you have won - the supposed party of Labour is thoroughly neoliberalised and will make Thatcher proud (again...)

    I do hate FPTP, but this is the first election of my adulthood where it may actually provide an outcome I will enjoy. Not the Labour "supermajority" - but rather a Tory wipe out without many or any Reform MPs. Here's to hoping that the right wing vote is so inefficient that neither party gets significant representation in parliament and they become an irrelevance against a Labour government and a Liberal Democrat Opposition that tries to push them leftwards. (These are my hopes, not predictions)

    I still think Tories will get <100 seats; so many people seem to dislike the idea of Tories in power that I can't see their vote share being particularly efficient. I also think that Labour are going to get a ridiculous majority on a vote share and raw number of votes below Corbyn's 2017 result. I do think the Greens are on to finally have more than 1 MP, and we may even be able to get the 4 we've been targeting. But who knows...

    This will be my first time as an adult living under a Labour government. And all I can think is here comes the new boss...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,212
    Andy_JS said:

    Farooq said:

    I don't think I understand the spreadsheet linked to in the header. It doesn't seem to have all the constituencies on there. E.g. I can't see ANME.

    Scheduled to be declared around 4:45am, number 526 out of 650.
    Good; I have to be up early tomorrow.
    Early night for me.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,591
    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    Andy_JS said:

    "Prisca Thevenot, Macronist spokeswoman, has been attacked in her seat in Hauts de Seine 8eme. She got away unscathed but one of her team has been hospitalised with a broken jaw."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-spokesperson-attacked-while-campaigning/

    This, very close to where I live:

    Candidate halts campaign after son is 'beaten up'

    A group of about eight people arrived on motorbikes and cars before attacking a victim with a baseball bat, West Midlands Police said.

    The road where it happened is actually pretty posh and very quiet. It's hard to imagine an attack like this happening there. I'm actually pretty shocked by this.
    Yikes. But not random.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,100
    148grss said:

    As the Tories look into the electoral abyss be happy in the knowledge that, on policy, you have won - the supposed party of Labour is thoroughly neoliberalised and will make Thatcher proud (again...)

    ...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    edited July 4
    The daily mail front page is a puzzle. Is it ill conceived or deliberately misleading?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Andy_JS said:

    ToryJim said:

    I’ve made the sensible decision to only watch the first few results tonight as I’m heading away for the weekend tomorrow morning. . Hoping Broxbourne doesn’t end up in recount territory and declares by 1:30 ish as I used to be highly involved down there and would like to know how it goes.

    It'll most likely be the smallest Tory majority ever in Broxbourne.
    Well I suspect it will be tighter than the 6500 margin in 1997. I think it will be slightly more comfortable than the MRPs have suggested as it has been way too tight in those and flipping in several of them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,953

    Andy_JS said:

    "Prisca Thevenot, Macronist spokeswoman, has been attacked in her seat in Hauts de Seine 8eme. She got away unscathed but one of her team has been hospitalised with a broken jaw."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-spokesperson-attacked-while-campaigning/

    This, very close to where I live:

    Candidate halts campaign after son is 'beaten up'

    A group of about eight people arrived on motorbikes and cars before attacking a victim with a baseball bat, West Midlands Police said.

    The road where it happened is actually pretty posh and very quiet. It's hard to imagine an attack like this happening there. I'm actually pretty shocked by this.
    That road in Sutton Coldfield is very posh. It's shocking that an attack could happen in that type of area.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,100
    @IanDunt

    There's no civic duty today, only civic pleasure
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    How many Reform UK MPs do you think will make it to the end of the parliament? I've seen people not prepared to win council level seats drop out after a few months after not knowing what to do - at a national level with the scrutiny involved you have to imagine some of those 13 will be randos who can't cope with the work or added spotlight who'd rather drop out that learn the job.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,594
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Young people today.

    "Emma Raducanu says she did not know general election vote was on Thursday

    At a press conference, Raducanu was asked if she would vote before practising on Thursday, and if she would keep an eye on the general election in the evening. “No,” she replied, smiling. “I think I’ll have a lie-in, then I’ll come to practise.

    “I didn’t even know it was tomorrow, to be honest! Thanks for letting me know.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/03/emma-raducanu-claims-ignorance-of-general-election-and-says-she-will-lie-in

    Shame, because she’d obviously be a Lib Dem.
    No, a 1%-er, probably employs an accountant to minimise her taxes.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,154
    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    Hopefully not the guy who trained the last lot
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 100
    edited July 4
    Carnyx said:

    bobbob said:

    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    Glad you made it back out safely

    Yes, all the avocado skins littering the pavements. Dangerous.
    Used to live in Bristol and you stumble from some nice areas into something that resembled The Wire.

    I’d be surprised if it has gentrified much.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    148grss said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    How many Reform UK MPs do you think will make it to the end of the parliament? I've seen people not prepared to win council level seats drop out after a few months after not knowing what to do - at a national level with the scrutiny involved you have to imagine some of those 13 will be randos who can't cope with the work or added spotlight who'd rather drop out that learn the job.
    Definitely. For all he wouldn't like the grind and mundanity of backbench MP work Farage would easily manage, but few of the others are professional mainstream politicians like him, and the party may not be set up to support them as much.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956

    Re-posted from the previous thread after I was cut-off in my prime after less than a minute!

    It's slightly disconcerting that there's a significant difference between the number of seats allocated by YouGov, based on its own final election poll for 'The Times' and the number of seats allocated by the time-honoured ElectoralCalculus which specialises in producing their own seat calculations, based, we have to presume, on identical information.

    In this instance, YouGov calculates that Labour will win 431 seats compred with EC's 458 seats, a difference of 27 seats.
    In terms of Tory seats,YouGov comes up with a total of 102 seats, whereas EC calculates the Blue Team's tally as being 75 seats.
    Again an equal and opposite difference of 27 seats, which is sort of reassuring insofar as it goes.
    Obviously the two calculations of seat numbers are based on different statistical models and therefore some difference in their totals was only to be expected.
    However a difference of 27 seats does seem quite significant, especially if one doubles it to 54 seats in arriving at the impact on the overall majority involved.

    Thank goodness no money is involved here as a result of such a discrepancy ... Oh wait!
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    The obvious answer is Lee Anderson (assuming that he's returned as an MP). Though he could do with more than a little training himself...
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,866
    edited July 4
    After the 1992 election - which was close and Labour had been expected to win - you could drive from Torquey to Stranraer through exclusively Tory held land, with choice of a west or east route up England.

    How times change.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_Kingdom_general_election#/media/File:UK_General_Election,_1992.svg
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Prisca Thevenot, Macronist spokeswoman, has been attacked in her seat in Hauts de Seine 8eme. She got away unscathed but one of her team has been hospitalised with a broken jaw."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-spokesperson-attacked-while-campaigning/

    This, very close to where I live:

    Candidate halts campaign after son is 'beaten up'

    A group of about eight people arrived on motorbikes and cars before attacking a victim with a baseball bat, West Midlands Police said.

    The road where it happened is actually pretty posh and very quiet. It's hard to imagine an attack like this happening there. I'm actually pretty shocked by this.
    Yikes. But not random.
    Yes, it was obviously politically motivated. I do feel that attacks on politicians, canvassers etc (of whatever political hue), should be prosecuted especially harshly given that they are attacks on democracy itself as well as on the person.
    Definitely a severe aggravating factor when it comes to sentencing, or should be.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    FWIW, I live in East Hants (in a very well to do Tory village) but there are three or four new yellow diamonds up in the place now. However, there was only one teller there this morning, and that was the one with the blue rosette. A lady came up with a roster on her bike before saying she was scurrying off to see the others so there's clearly some form of GOTV operation here.

    I voted at 7.51am and there were already about 25-30 names off the list.

    I don't think turnout will be that low. I also think Damian Hinds will hold because he's just put in more effort and has a better operation here, although I'm conscious most working people will vote after work and that can be quite different.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Off to vote, will decide who for on the short walk to the polling station
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Jonathan said:

    The daily mail front page is a puzzle. Is it ill conceived or deliberately misleading?

    Depends how competent you think they are.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    edited July 4

    Observations from East Yorkshire. Out early this morning to cut the front hedge (estate agent taking photos at lunchtime).

    Polling station at the top of the road. Usually a steady flow of voters throughout the day. Less of a flow and more of a torrent so far. Lots of cars parking up on the road to vote. Far more people than usual walking to vote. My neighbour came back just after 7.30 grumbling about how busy it was.

    What were the voters like? Were they:

    - Ordinary working people, looking cheerful but determined
    - Dainty old ladies with twin-set and pearls, brooches and disconsolate husbands in tow, looking worried
    - Meaty looking men with crew cuts, football tops, slightly scary tattoos, an XL Bully and an angry demeanour
    - Even angrier looking youngsters with bright coloured hair dye, draped in Palestine flags?

    I think we need to know.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641
    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    Off to vote, will decide who for on the short walk to the polling station

    Same here. Maybe a coin toss.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,154
    algarkirk said:

    I revealed to sister woolie the MRPs. She's in Broadland and Fakenham and slightly excited her vote might actually make a difference for once!

    It's a special feature of this election. For the first time ever (50 years of voting) I am voting in a GE where my seat can change hands, and this must be true for millions.

    Also unique: the sheer number of seats where it genuinely isn't known what the result will be combined with the number that will change hands.
    Typical Tories - they've spent years making FPTP elections relevant and interesting for more and more voters, and now some of them want to get rid of it....
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,776
    Drove at over 150mph on the way to vote Green. 🤘
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,222
    Thanks @Pulpstar for this.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641
    Scott_xP said:

    @IanDunt

    There's no civic duty today, only civic pleasure

    The irony on the day Starmer says the UK will not re-join the EU in his lifetime
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    algarkirk said:

    I revealed to sister woolie the MRPs. She's in Broadland and Fakenham and slightly excited her vote might actually make a difference for once!

    It's a special feature of this election. For the first time ever (50 years of voting) I am voting in a GE where my seat can change hands, and this must be true for millions.

    Also unique: the sheer number of seats where it genuinely isn't known what the result will be combined with the number that will change hands.
    Yes, some of us in seats which last changed hands 100 years ago, and then only briefly, may end up with disappointingly normal results, but the Tory collapse may have fulfilled its own prophecy a bit as people see a chance for impact.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, they've VONC'ed their main man before that law was even in place!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, they've VONC'ed their main man before that law was even in place!
    And he refuses to leave office
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    What is the opposite of brisk?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Starmer a lucky general? Nonsense, it's going to be hissing down tomorrow in Westminster as he marches into No 10.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,004
    Farooq said:

    One day to go until the election!

    Tory supporters vote today, Labour supporters vote tomorrow. ;)






    (For the avoidance of doubt, the comment above is a joke. Election Day is today for everyone)
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,494
    algarkirk said:

    I revealed to sister woolie the MRPs. She's in Broadland and Fakenham and slightly excited her vote might actually make a difference for once!

    It's a special feature of this election. For the first time ever (50 years of voting) I am voting in a GE where my seat can change hands, and this must be true for millions.

    Also unique: the sheer number of seats where it genuinely isn't known what the result will be combined with the number that will change hands.
    Yes, true for me too! My constituency has always been safe Tory, and most of the other places that I've lived, as a student, etc, have been safe Labour. It's a bit of a novelty voting in what is now a marginal, as is casting two votes (one a proxy). A lovely day for it too. We will wander down to the polling station as a family after tea.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    bobbob said:

    Carnyx said:

    bobbob said:

    JamesF said:

    50,000 of these have been hand delivered in Bristol Central this morning.



    I did St Paul's which was festooned with green stake-boards and posters. It's difficult to stay grounded and remember that you can't tell what's going to happen from within a campaign: it feels SO much like a Green win.

    Then back across the border to vote Labour in North Somerset.

    Shattered already and there's nearly 24 hours to go.

    Compliments to all of you who are fighting for your beliefs today. Bravo.

    Glad you made it back out safely

    Yes, all the avocado skins littering the pavements. Dangerous.
    Used to live in Bristol and you stumble from some nice areas into something that resembled The Wire.

    I’d be surprised if it has gentrified much.
    "Thin line between heaven and here" - Reginald "Bubbles" Cousins
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    Farooq said:

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    citation needed
    No citation possible. The "Welsh labour government" have not done this - its every other party forcing it through. Labour opposed it

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,866
    edited July 4
    Activity early and brisk with dogs at polling stations

    https://x.com/search?q=#dogsatpollingstations&amp;src=trend_click&amp;f=live&amp;vertical=trends

    And if the mum of these has time to vote, she could post 'quads at polling stations'.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe31jkjl59o
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    I've bought turnout above 70%+ at 20/1

    Never know.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Dura_Ace said:

    Drove at over 150mph on the way to vote Green. 🤘

    Given how far most people are from a polling station, and the state of British roads, that must have been some epic acceleration and good brakes.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471

    Voted! And done some street politics with passing mums heading up to school. Hot topic local issue - save the library.


    PBers never look how you expect the to look... ;)

    Good luck!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    Good morning from Florence.
    Being an hour ahead makes it very unlikely I’ll stay up to see the full results come in - a shame as there are simply so many Tories due to receive their comeuppance.

    My final predix

    Labour 38
    Tories 20
    Reform 15
    Lib Dems 12
    Green 6

    I think Labour will win over 400, the Tories under 100, and the Lib Dems over 50. However I think the Tories will secure Official Opposition status.

    I think Corbyn will lose Islington North, but the Greens will take the Bristol seat, and one other. Reform will take Clacton and Ashfield but otherwise fall short.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641

    Farooq said:

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    citation needed
    No citation possible. The "Welsh labour government" have not done this - its every other party forcing it through. Labour opposed it

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no
    Not quite

    Labour are opposed to Plaids version, so are bringing forward their own
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471
    edited July 4
    I live in a three-way marginal (Con (incumbent), Lab, Lib Dem). I've just voted LD (I don't think I've voted Conservative since 2017...), so here's the scores on the door, leaflet-wise.

    Lib Dem: 6
    Lots of national boilerplate stuff; little of direct relevance to the constituency. A heaven for bar chart lovers. One personalised leaflet that *may* be handwritten, but was probably printed to look so (and quite well, too). Disappointing local issues not mentioned more.

    Con: 4
    Does have mention of 'Conservatives'. All about local issues and what he (the current MP) has done for the area.

    Labour: 2
    Candidate not local: says she will "make the constituency her home.". Nothing about local issues in either leaflet. Uninspiring.

    Independent: 1
    Good leaflet, lot of info about him; lots about his stance on local issues. I seriously considered voting for him.

    Party of women: 1
    A small leaflet, nothing about local issues. Only distinctive feature is the name/picture of the candidate and the constituency.

    Green: 1
    Inside, boilerplate national, outside local issues. But a few good mentions of issues that matter locally, e.g. East-West Rail

    Reform: 1
    big, gurning pictures of Tice and Farage. All national issues. The only constituency-related info is the candidate's name and the constituency. Not even a piccie.

    TBF, the Cons leaflets seemed much less boilerplate and in tune with the issues facing the constituency. Labour seemed to be a typical parachuted-in candidate with zero local interest; the Lib Dem disappointingly uninterested in local issues.

    But I couldn't vote Conservative...

    (The Lib Dem teller outside the cricket pavilion (our polling station) said there had been fifty people so far, and it was much slower than he expected. I might go around the other polling stations in the town later to see if I can gain any intel from those...)
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Observations from East Yorkshire. Out early this morning to cut the front hedge (estate agent taking photos at lunchtime).

    Polling station at the top of the road. Usually a steady flow of voters throughout the day. Less of a flow and more of a torrent so far. Lots of cars parking up on the road to vote. Far more people than usual walking to vote. My neighbour came back just after 7.30 grumbling about how busy it was.

    Any suggestion that voter ID is slowing down the process? I haven't voted in person since the ID rules, but my dad says he prefers to vote in person for the feel of it and he said that the queue was mostly because it took longer for people to get their IDs / be reminded they needed an ID and then complaining, etc.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Black labs are voting Dave


    He does know Cameron isn't standing?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,187
    moonshine said:

    What is the opposite of brisk?

    Not brisk
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,132
    Fanastic charts - thanks @Pulpstar

    What though is EC 1 ???
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,776
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Drove at over 150mph on the way to vote Green. 🤘

    Given how far most people are from a polling station, and the state of British roads, that must have been some epic acceleration and good brakes.
    Flipped my GT3 into a Tributo. It's a bit fast.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963

    Farooq said:

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    citation needed
    No citation possible. The "Welsh labour government" have not done this - its every other party forcing it through. Labour opposed it

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no
    Not quite

    Labour are opposed to Plaids version, so are bringing forward their own
    A bill backed by your Conservatives and opposed by Labour. Only you could find a way to spin that as something being done by the Welsh labour government.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471

    I live in a three-way marginal (Con (incumbent), Lab, Lib Dem). I've just voted LD (I don't think I've voted Conservative since 2017...), so here's the scores on the door, leaflet-wise.

    Lib Dem: 6
    Lots of national boilerplate stuff; little of direct relevance to the constituency. A heaven for bar chart lovers. One personalised leaflet that *may* be handwritten, but was probably printed to look so (and quite well, too). Disappointing local issues not mentioned more.

    Con: 4
    Does have mention of 'Conservatives'. All about local issues and what he (the current MP) has done for the area.

    Labour: 2
    Candidate not local: says she will "make the constituency her home.". Nothing about local issues in either leaflet. Uninspiring.

    Independent: 1
    Good leaflet, lot of info about him; lots about his stance on local issues. I seriously considered voting for him.

    Party of women: 1
    A small leaflet, nothing about local issues. Only distinctive feature is the name/picture of the candidate and the constituency.

    Green: 1
    Inside, boilerplate national, outside local issues. But a few good mentions of issues that matter locally, e.g. East-West Rail

    TBF, the Cons leaflets seemed much less boilerplate and in tune with the issues facing the constituency. Labour seemed to be a typical parachuted-in candidate with zero local interest; the Lib Dem disappointingly uninterested in local issues.

    But I couldn't vote Conservative...

    (The Lib Dem teller outside the cricket pavilion (our polling station) said there had been fifty people so far, and it was much slower than he expected. I might go around the other polling stations in the town later to see if I can gain any intel from those...)

    I forgot Reform: 1
    big, gurning pictures of Tice and Farage. All national issues. The only constituency-related info is the candidate's name and the constituency. Not even a piccie.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641

    Good morning from Florence.
    Being an hour ahead makes it very unlikely I’ll stay up to see the full results come in - a shame as there are simply so many Tories due to receive their comeuppance.

    My final predix

    Labour 38
    Tories 20
    Reform 15
    Lib Dems 12
    Green 6

    I think Labour will win over 400, the Tories under 100, and the Lib Dems over 50. However I think the Tories will secure Official Opposition status.

    I think Corbyn will lose Islington North, but the Greens will take the Bristol seat, and one other. Reform will take Clacton and Ashfield but otherwise fall short.

    Our family fell in love with Florence at first sight

    I think you are probably spot on with your predictions
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    Laura Kuennsberg is “hearing of a surprise late swing to the Tories, with hung parliament now in sight”.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,915
    edited July 4

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    The obvious answer is Lee Anderson (assuming that he's returned as an MP). Though he could do with more than a little training himself...
    On how to run offices, the Leeanderthal Man should be fine. His pre-MP job was as Gloria de Piero's Office Manager. If Farage and Anderson get in, that makes them either the Lone Ranger and Tonto, or Don Quizote and Sancho Panza, or Hardy and Laurel.

    I can imagine them sharing a pint in a bar as a model for their political process. "We have only got 15 cents!"

    https://youtu.be/Aj8uw71Pf4w?t=56
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,905
    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    ...use lavatories and eat with a knife and fork.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641

    Starmer a lucky general? Nonsense, it's going to be hissing down tomorrow in Westminster as he marches into No 10.

    I hope he has an umbrella !!!!!!!!!

  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 729

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    The obvious answer is Lee Anderson (assuming that he's returned as an MP). Though he could do with more than a little training himself...
    Not sure about the constituency side but in Parliament there is a massive mobilisation to give every new MP who wants one an experienced member of House staff as a buddy. They can show them all the facilities and answer questions on procedural stuff like how to table questions etc. I’ve been an MP’s buddy before and it’s an incredibly rewarding experience.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    148grss said:

    Observations from East Yorkshire. Out early this morning to cut the front hedge (estate agent taking photos at lunchtime).

    Polling station at the top of the road. Usually a steady flow of voters throughout the day. Less of a flow and more of a torrent so far. Lots of cars parking up on the road to vote. Far more people than usual walking to vote. My neighbour came back just after 7.30 grumbling about how busy it was.

    Any suggestion that voter ID is slowing down the process? I haven't voted in person since the ID rules, but my dad says he prefers to vote in person for the feel of it and he said that the queue was mostly because it took longer for people to get their IDs / be reminded they needed an ID and then complaining, etc.
    Couldn't tell you, I'm afraid. I voted by post the day I received the ballot paper.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,953
    moonshine said:

    What is the opposite of brisk?

    Slow.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,128

    Mr. Eagles, the Merchant of Venice was one of the plays quoted by General Chang, I believe.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Yes. Much misunderstood by people not reading Shakespeare in the original Klingon.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,154

    moonshine said:

    What is the opposite of brisk?

    Not brisk
    Slack
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited July 4
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    I don't think I understand the spreadsheet linked to in the header. It doesn't seem to have all the constituencies on there. E.g. I can't see ANME.

    Row 528 on the final sheet
    OHHH! I thought the different links in the header were for the same spreadsheet but different sheets. Got it now, thanks.
    The final spreadsheet does contain all the results, but there's no live update in it to the results that the first two should pull in. Having all the results try to pull in in one spreadsheet would just make the whole lot fall over.

    Our household has all voted now, despite my other half doing a Boris with her ID :D

    One for Brendan Clarke Smith and one for Jo White.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,132

    Voted! And done some street politics with passing mums heading up to school. Hot topic local issue - save the library.


    PBers never look how you expect the to look... ;)

    Good luck!
    We need a resident PB MP now that Aaron has taken retirement from the fray.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,915

    Voted! And done some street politics with passing mums heading up to school. Hot topic local issue - save the library.


    Hot topic local issue - save the library.

    Are you a Lib Dem, by any chance? :wink:


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    OK, vote cast. Pleasantly surprised to find a small queue formed at the polling station. No party reps outside today just the dudes running the station
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,771
    edited July 4
    Cannot escape the election here, over a thousand miles away from home, because the local rag's front page tells me that a town councillor has bravely put a bet - on Labour, natch. The winnings could hardly cover the exchange risk fgs.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,404
    You little beauty, @Pulpstar . Thank you.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198

    Laura Kuennsberg is “hearing of a surprise late swing to the Tories, with hung parliament now in sight”.

    Woman on tv later would like people to watch. It other news, have you seen what bears do in the woods? Also coming up: pope confirmed as catholic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,128

    Voted! And done some street politics with passing mums heading up to school. Hot topic local issue - save the library.


    Has anyone suggested the aggressive ultra extremist method to save the library?

    AKA people using it?
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    TimS said:

    Observations from East Yorkshire. Out early this morning to cut the front hedge (estate agent taking photos at lunchtime).

    Polling station at the top of the road. Usually a steady flow of voters throughout the day. Less of a flow and more of a torrent so far. Lots of cars parking up on the road to vote. Far more people than usual walking to vote. My neighbour came back just after 7.30 grumbling about how busy it was.

    What were the voters like? Were they:

    - Ordinary working people, looking cheerful but determined
    - Dainty old ladies with twin-set and pearls, brooches and disconsolate husbands in tow, looking worried
    - Meaty looking men with crew cuts, football tops, slightly scary tattoos, an XL Bully and an angry demeanour
    - Even angrier looking youngsters with bright coloured hair dye, draped in Palestine flags?

    I think we need to know.
    You missed a few clichés and stereotypes off that list. There's no need for sarcasm.

    They were people, @TimS.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    ....
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    In about 5 hours time the Star Chamber members of the exit poll team will know our fate .... :smiley:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,641

    Farooq said:

    ToryJim said:

    eek said:

    The telegraph have an article saying Reform will win 13 seats.

    If that's the case who is going to train those MPs to know what to do - i.e. how to run their office and provide support to their constituents...

    I doubt they will win that many. Also if Nigel does take Clacton there has to be a reasonable chance that he’s found in breach of Parliamentary rules triggering a recall effort before long.
    It is interesting that the Welsh labour government is to introduce a law in the Senedd to make it illegal to lie

    There will be few if any politicians left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    citation needed
    No citation possible. The "Welsh labour government" have not done this - its every other party forcing it through. Labour opposed it

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gme2y98no
    Not quite

    Labour are opposed to Plaids version, so are bringing forward their own
    A bill backed by your Conservatives and opposed by Labour. Only you could find a way to spin that as something being done by the Welsh labour government.
    You are talking nonsense and maybe you will believe the Guardian


    Tue 2 Jul 2024 21.06 BST

    Welsh government commits to making lying in politics illegal
    Labour administration says ‘globally pioneering’ legislation will be brought in before next Senedd elections in 2026

    The Labour-led Welsh government has committed to introduce “globally pioneering” legislation that would in effect make lying in politics there illegal.

    Members of the Senedd described it as a historic moment that would combat the “existential threat” that lying in politics poses to democracy.

    After a passionate and dramatic debate in the Welsh parliament on Tuesday evening, the government’s counsel general, Mick Antoniw, said the legislation would be introduced before the next Welsh elections in two years’ time.

    He said: “The Welsh government will bring forward legislation before 2026 for the disqualification of members and candidates found guilty of deliberate deception through an independent judicial process.”

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