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  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Tomorrow's front pages
    That will not be tomorrows front page. Now THAT would be disrespectful to the veterans
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    Well exactly.

    But thankfully these two guys met. Z must be wondering what the F is happening in the the UK that he’s the fourth PM since the war started.
    Starmer, assuming he becomes PM on July 5th, and that Sunak is still PM then to go to the Palace to recommend his appointment as his successor to the Monarch, will be the 6th PM since the Russian seizure of Crimea, and the 8th PM since Putin first became President of Russia.

    That's the reaction of democratic politics to a tough time which the country's leaders haven't really had that great a handle on, and I think it's probably a good contrast with Putin's indefinite rule in Russia.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Keith Vaz standing as an independent

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1798786194945487041

    Let’s get this Party started !
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    Tories main Opposition with nearly double the LD seat total though and well ahead of Reform on voteshare too
    'Tis but a scratch!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Heathener said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Prime Ministerial


    Didn’t know which of the many meetings Sunak has had with Zelensky to share a photo from but I thought you might like this, two men with a good solid relationship not afraid to be tactile.

    Just too many to choose from it’s a shame we didn’t have one more photo from the fringes of a ceremony.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,888

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    USA need 6 runs off 2 balls to beat Pakistan.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/c4nne8zrg8nt#Scorecard
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    boulay said:

    On much more interesting news I’ve just discovered that “Rule Britannia” was a rebellious song written against George II by his opponents led by his son, the future George III.

    So maybe reform can become the new establishment.

    @boulay

    On a point of pedantry:

    George III was not the son of George II.

    You may be thinking of George II's actual son, Frederick Prince of Wales, who died in 1751.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,404
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    But, smart cookies will note the right wing vote sums to 38% there.

    The political divide hasn't gone away. It's stayed at home or split.

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    Which means of course that the centre-left have 60% plus...
    LDs don't count in the same way as Reform plus Tories do.

    Labour and Greens do.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    SKS needs to make the most of it, it’s Le Pen next, he’s going to hug her yes?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982

    No, I am saying he has absolutely no interest in understanding the people he governs. His lack of curiosity and empathy is astounding.

    It makes perfect sense if he is about to fuck off to California.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,404
    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    Roger: wrong about everything; all the time.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,888
    Taz said:

    SKS makes a pitch to Muslim voters not to defect. Not quite sure how this will be anything more than tokenism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/06/keir-starmer-expected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto



    Great idea. Apart from being the right thing to do it'll bring a hell of a lot of votes and good people back.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    On much more interesting news I’ve just discovered that “Rule Britannia” was a rebellious song written against George II by his opponents led by his son, the future George III.

    So maybe reform can become the new establishment.

    @boulay

    On a point of pedantry:

    George III was not the son of George II.

    You may be thinking of George II's actual son, Frederick Prince of Wales, who died in 1751.
    Yes, I’m an idiot but I was trying to work out if I fancied Lucy Worsely or not so wasn’t listening to the programme properly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,404
    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    But it's kind of cute, in a way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    But, smart cookies will note the right wing vote sums to 38% there.

    The political divide hasn't gone away. It's stayed at home or split.

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    I would look at those figures in more detail if I was you - the Reform / UKIP / Brexit vote is very much Reform not Tory voters - you can see that going all the way back to 2015.

    Where the Tory party gets votes is from the centre ground and those votes are what is destroying Rishi and co at the moment. They may come back to the Tory party in 2028 - but not if the Tories select a right wing leader...

    Yes heaven forfend they elect an unelectable rightwinger like Margaret Thatcher.

    What fools they were picking her to replace Heath in 1975. No wonder Callaghan was re elected by a landslide in 1979...oh wait.

    In today's volatile economic circumstances nothing is certain
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited June 6

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    But it's kind of cute, in a way.
    Why so angry? It's unnecessary.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,491
    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    “Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM” is not even a proper sentence in English.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    From Popbitch.

    The leaders debate could have been a lot more interesting. For some of us.

    >> Heated debate <<
    A show of naked ambition

    The ITV Leaders' Debate on Tuesday was a fairly unedifying spectacle, but we should take solace in the fact that it could have been worse. Much, much worse.

    The studio it was filmed in? HQ2 at Dock10, Salford Media City. The same one that's usually home to Naked Attraction.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    But it's kind of cute, in a way.
    Well let me go more slowly with you. Answer this question: what was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    On the Summer UFO's hearings story, the Congressman Tim Burchett says they are working on new whistleblower protections, because too many people pulled out last yesr at the last minute for fear of legal action.

    “We’re working with some legal people and try to get something a little better than what's out there."

    David Grusch gave a list of cooperative and hostile witnesses, what have they done with this list?

    “That'll be part of the next hearing. I'm not giving out too many names, because, as you know, what happened the last time was that we originally had 12 people that were coming in, but we were left with 3."

    Legal action because they knew they were going to be lying…
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    On much more interesting news I’ve just discovered that “Rule Britannia” was a rebellious song written against George II by his opponents led by his son, the future George III.

    So maybe reform can become the new establishment.

    @boulay

    On a point of pedantry:

    George III was not the son of George II.

    You may be thinking of George II's actual son, Frederick Prince of Wales, who died in 1751.
    Also not pedantry, just accuracy and factual correctness so thanks for the correction.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,867
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    Tories main Opposition with nearly double the LD seat total though and well ahead of Reform on voteshare too
    Put in the tactical voting numbers being picked up by the polls - a third of Labour supporters and 36% of LD supporters prepared to vote tactically and it ends up 55 LDs and 49 Conservatives.

    You may be lucky - perhaps some Labour and LD voters will vote Conservative tactically to stop Reform winning some of your seats, who knows?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Match tied in the USA.

    Now who would have bet on that....apart of course from the Pakistan team?

    Naughty 😉
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Match tied in the USA.

    Now who would have bet on that....apart of course from the Pakistan team?

    Goes to a Super Over.

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,128
    edited June 6
    As a last thought or two on this, there's an interesting recent quote on the UFO's issue from Tim Burchett, who has been one of the main congressional forces behind the hearings, along with a couple of Democrats, and who has been liaising with the US Inspector-General of Intelligence for the last year on it.

    "It might be the fact that it’s just plain arrogance — they don’t think we deserve it,” Burchett said.

    “I can’t tell you how many conversations I’ve had with high-ranking officials that have told me that America really can’t handle this stuff. It’s not their position to tell me who or what I can handle; we’re Americans, we ought to be able to take it. Give it to us,” Burchett continued."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    Paging @Leon

    @SkyNews

    AI chatbot used by hundreds of millions stops answering questions about election results after wrong answers

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1798769608406761668
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    @rafaelbehr

    Too much polling. Seriously. Moratorium on polling for a few days at least. A week or two. Westminster Twitter has become a drugs bore, getting high on data and only able to talk about how good the shit is, or whose stash is better or where the next hit is coming from.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,046
    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,128
    edited June 6
    The hearings will probably be in July again, so nothing much for now.
    Back to Farage.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    On topic: Were I to bet serious money on this election, I would spend some time looking at the popularity of the candidates below the president on the ballots in the swing states.

    In 2016, after I was surprised by the result, I looked at the swing states, and found a consistent pattern: Republican candidates below Trump on those ballots had run ahead of him in total votes. This is uncommon; there is usually a drop off as you go down the ballot.

    And that led me to theorize that Trump won swing states in part because of "reverse coattails". Some Republican voters came out to vote for a candidate for governor, or Senate, or the House, and then voted for Trump because he was, after all, the Republican candidate. Had he been the only Republican on the ballot, they might well have stayed home.

    For example, Marco Rubio may have helped Trump win Florida, since Rubio received 4,835,191 votes, Trump 4,617,886.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Rubio#Electoral_history
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida

    (Incidentally, reverse coattails could help explain the problemswith the polls in those swing states.)

  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 692
    Heathener said:

    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)

    It depends. Technically the transition from the wartime coalition to the Conservative caretaker government but otherwise Labour in 1950. I imagine the latter is what you were alluding to.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,888
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If the Tory press gives this Sunak story the coverage they would give it if a Labour PM had done the same, I reckon we're looking at a total Tory meltdown in the polls. But it is a big if.

    What utter rubbish, Sunak was at Southsea yesterday with Starmer for the UK D Day commemorations.

    The Normandy services today were mainly for heads of state. I have just come back from our Parish D Day Anniversary Remembrance in Moreton.
    Playing politics on a day we should be remembering those who gave their lives for freedom is beneath contempt!!!
    Not sure you thought through your last sentence !!!
    The King is UK head of state not Sunak or Sir Keir Starmer.

    It was right Sunak paid his respects then left Normandy as the focus was on the King and US and French Presidents leading the memorial. Yesterday was the UK service which Sunak attended in full with other UK politicians
    It was right that Sunak paid his respects.

    It wasn’t right that he then left.
    It's called 'A photo op'

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    On the Summer UFO's hearings story, the Congressman Tim Burchett says they are working on new whistleblower protections, because too many people pulled out last yesr at the last minute for fear of legal action.

    “We’re working with some legal people and try to get something a little better than what's out there."

    David Grusch gave a list of cooperative and hostile witnesses, what have they done with this list?

    “That'll be part of the next hearing. I'm not giving out too many names, because, as you know, what happened the last time was that we originally had 12 people that were coming in, but we were left with 3."

    Legal action because they knew they were going to be lying…

    On the Summer UFO's hearings story, the Congressman Tim Burchett says they are working on new whistleblower protections, because too many people pulled out last yesr at the last minute for fear of legal action.

    “We’re working with some legal people and try to get something a little better than what's out there."

    David Grusch gave a list of cooperative and hostile witnesses, what have they done with this list?

    “That'll be part of the next hearing. I'm not giving out too many names, because, as you know, what happened the last time was that we originally had 12 people that were coming in, but we were left with 3."

    Legal action because they knew they were going to be lying…
    If they’re not getting Bob Lazar to turn up, under oath, then it’s pointless.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
    Well I never said that because, as you may recall, I never agreed that 2019 was a typical General Election. I argued that it was a unique Get Brexit Done election.

    But, be that as it may, an 80-seat majority has been lost on more than one occasion in this country - that’s your supplementary question.

    If Labour do get a 150+ majority this time then it becomes vanishingly unlikely that it could be overturned in one sitting, even if all the fair winds on earth blew behind a revived tory sail.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Pakistan doing their best to lose this one
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Heathener said:

    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)

    Well in 1826 the Tories had a majority of 198 that they lost in 1830.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Scott_xP said:

    @rafaelbehr

    Too much polling. Seriously. Moratorium on polling for a few days at least. A week or two. Westminster Twitter has become a drugs bore, getting high on data and only able to talk about how good the shit is, or whose stash is better or where the next hit is coming from.

    Too much? This is a lot less polling than I can remember in previous elections.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Stereodog said:

    Heathener said:

    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)

    It depends. Technically the transition from the wartime coalition to the Conservative caretaker government but otherwise Labour in 1950. I imagine the latter is what you were alluding to.
    Yes 1931 is anomalous because it was a National Government.

    In 1950 Attlee’s Labour lost their 144 seat majority by two seats, or one really.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    ToryJim said:

    Heathener said:

    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)

    Well in 1826 the Tories had a majority of 198 that they lost in 1830.
    +1
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    Scott_xP said:

    Paging @Leon

    @SkyNews

    AI chatbot used by hundreds of millions stops answering questions about election results after wrong answers

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1798769608406761668

    It'll be amusing if it's answers turn out to be spot on.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,046
    Heathener said:

    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
    Well I never said that because, as you may recall, I never agreed that 2019 was a typical General Election. I argued that it was a unique Get Brexit Done election.

    But, be that as it may, an 80-seat majority has been lost on more than one occasion in this country - that’s your supplementary question.

    If Labour do get a 150+ majority this time then it becomes vanishingly unlikely that it could be overturned in one sitting, even if all the fair winds on earth blew behind a revived tory sail.
    Nah. The issue you’re struggling with is the lack of precedents for such a big majority.

    We haven’t had a “normal” election since 2005. I don’t think we will for some time.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    Yeah, nothing suspicious about that super over from Pakistan.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Convicted match fixer having a nightmare in a super over against the underdog.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
    True.

    But the Conservatives are in this hole because of a double whammy (as Chris Patten put it.) Lots of bad luck (Plague and War) and lots of bad judgement (Boris, Liz, Rishi.) Without that combination, it's not going to be easy to overturn a mega majority.

    Oh, and then there's the intervention of the Grim Reaper. I think that the turnover of dead righties to young lefties since 2019 has been enough, of itself, to nix the 2019 majority. And the "getting more right wing as people age" pipeline seems blocked.

    The Conservatives need to run very fast to stand still. And the performance enhancing drugs they took in the 2010s are wearing off, leaving some unpleasant side effects behind.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    Does anyone still bet on matches involving Pakistan?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    Match tied in the USA.

    Now who would have bet on that....apart of course from the Pakistan team?

    one of the worst overs from amir in the super over - what was he thinking
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Nobody's ever lost a Mens T20 Super Over with 18, just saying.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
    I agree with this, and yet, we had very extreme events to lead us to the 2019GE 80-seat majority likely being overturned. We've had:

    1. A global pandemic.
    2. The PM lying about breaking his own rules for controlling the pandemic.
    3. The PM lying about what he knew about putting an alleged sex pest into a position of power over his MPs.
    4. The next PM only lasting 49 days after causing government debt, sterling and pensions crises.
    5. A major war in Europe triggering an energy crisis that precipitated inflation of 25% over two and a bit years.

    Although there are some underlying challenges that are difficult to deal with - the demographic transition, national debt, productivity and competitiveness, infrastructure, etc - we can hope that the next five years might be a bit less dramatic.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,061
    Pagan2 said:

    Heathener said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Prime Ministerial
    Looks morbe like zelensky saying "if you dont support us I am going to wring your scrawny neck" to me but then I only spent a few years making a living out of reading body language so what do I know
    Starmer looks as if he is cradling a small mouse against the wind. Which is thoughtful of him.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    edited June 6
    Scott_xP said:

    Paging @Leon

    @SkyNews

    AI chatbot used by hundreds of millions stops answering questions about election results after wrong answers

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1798769608406761668

    Hang on a minute, I was posting something similar to this about ChatGPT shortly after it was released. Can't believe it's still happening! That was 12 or 18 months ago.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Exactly
    That’s a killer photo for the front page of any non Sunak supporting newspaper.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,411
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    But, smart cookies will note the right wing vote sums to 38% there.

    The political divide hasn't gone away. It's stayed at home or split.

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    I would look at those figures in more detail if I was you - the Reform / UKIP / Brexit vote is very much Reform not Tory voters - you can see that going all the way back to 2015.

    Where the Tory party gets votes is from the centre ground and those votes are what is destroying Rishi and co at the moment. They may come back to the Tory party in 2028 - but not if the Tories select a right wing leader...

    Yes heaven forfend they elect an unelectable rightwinger like Margaret Thatcher.

    What fools they were picking her to replace Heath in 1975. No wonder Callaghan was re elected by a landslide in 1979...oh wait.

    In today's volatile economic circumstances nothing is certain
    It's quite amazing the capacity of some of PB's complete pillocks shrewd political commentators can look at what's in-front of their face and steadfastly refuse to draw the obvious conclusion. The Tories have come in, expanded immigration massively, leaked votes to Reform, are now in danger of being obliterated by Reform, and they still declare the issue is that the Tories aren't centrist enough. They 'bought into Reform's talking points', as if the Tories would have been fine if only they'd politely ignored the 1.5 million people pouring in like a great-aunt's fart at the tea table.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Heathener said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Prime Ministerial
    Looks morbe like zelensky saying "if you dont support us I am going to wring your scrawny neck" to me but then I only spent a few years making a living out of reading body language so what do I know
    Starmer looks as if he is cradling a small mouse against the wind. Which is thoughtful of him.
    That's not a mouse. It's the one working class person that they'll protect come July 5th.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    boulay said:

    What’s the situation with Farage’s French girlfriend by the way? Is his push for power and then ban immigrants a really over complicated way of dumping her?

    “Sorry darling, I love you and all that but I’ve just banned immigrants so we must part our ways.”

    Surely he'll only ban immigrants he doesn't like ( which I suspect is most of them) and allow in people he likes. When you are as important as Nigel, these trifles can be waved away.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Even the BBC sound suspicious.

    “I’ll let you analyse that bowling”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live/c4nne8zrg8nt
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,046
    edited June 6

    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    Five years ago we all said that an 80 seat majority couldn’t be overhauled in one go. All the old 1945-2017 assumptions are dying. Things are volatile.

    Who knows. Starmer might the new messiah, or he might be a flash in the pan.
    True.

    But the Conservatives are in this hole because of a double whammy (as Chris Patten put it.) Lots of bad luck (Plague and War) and lots of bad judgement (Boris, Liz, Rishi.) Without that combination, it's not going to be easy to overturn a mega majority.

    Oh, and then there's the intervention of the Grim Reaper. I think that the turnover of dead righties to young lefties since 2019 has been enough, of itself, to nix the 2019 majority. And the "getting more right wing as people age" pipeline seems blocked.

    The Conservatives need to run very fast to stand still. And the performance enhancing drugs they took in the 2010s are wearing off, leaving some unpleasant side effects behind.
    But things don’t stay static. I might be wrong, but I’m not sure the coalition Starmer will win on is any more stable. Net zero on one side and Red Wall on the other. Fabians on one side and Brexit voters on the other.

    All will need to be held together against a backdrop of spending cuts and tax rises, during a European war, and while Starmer makes friends with a U.S. President his party hates.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321

    Match tied in the USA.

    Now who would have bet on that....apart of course from the Pakistan team?

    one of the worst overs from amir in the super over - what was he thinking
    Hmmmm....of his betting slip?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    Sandpit said:

    Does anyone still bet on matches involving Pakistan?

    Maybe on or two of their players ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    ToryJim said:

    Heathener said:

    I’ll throw the Q open to anyone:

    What was the biggest ever majority by any party to have been lost at the subsequent General Election?

    I think I know the answer ;)

    Well in 1826 the Tories had a majority of 198 that they lost in 1830.
    1924 the Unionists had a majority of 231 and 1929 was a hung Parliament. I would think that was the largest.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,061
    Farooq said:

    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
    If you're writing this fanfic, I'll read it.
    "ChatGPT vX, please take this image of Sir Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron and generate a five-minute video of them wrestling naked in front of a fireplace with pronounced sweat and chiaroscuro, in the manner of the film "Women In Love" (1969)"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    And a pro Gaza independent.

    It could be quite a wacky seat, but Lab hold I reckon. Webbe will hardly get any votes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    edited June 6

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Definitely worth a bet on the Tories imo. If there's one English seat they gain, this'll be it.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    bowlers have forgotton how to bowl in the super over
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Andy_JS said:

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Definitely worth a bet on the Tories imo. If there's one English seat they gain, this'll be it.
    No, I really don't think so, even with the Hindu vote.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus
    But, smart cookies will note the right wing vote sums to 38% there.

    The political divide hasn't gone away. It's stayed at home or split.

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    I would look at those figures in more detail if I was you - the Reform / UKIP / Brexit vote is very much Reform not Tory voters - you can see that going all the way back to 2015.

    Where the Tory party gets votes is from the centre ground and those votes are what is destroying Rishi and co at the moment. They may come back to the Tory party in 2028 - but not if the Tories select a right wing leader...


    And yet some of those I talk to on the centre right are talking about voting Tory through gritted teeth. They don’t want Farage and they don’t want Starmer to have too large a majority
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    Namecheck for our very own @RochdalePioneers on Sophy Ridge tonight - because they are covering the “mess” in the Aberdeenshire seat

    What’s the betting for the seat? I’ve just had a quick glance and it looks a certain SNP gain.

    As Duguid the outgoing MP would be a constituent, I wonder if rival candidate should visit with a get well soon card and gift? If news of that got in the local press, it would lift their profile and come across as decent and human and neighbourly?
    We're all wishing him well. He's a thoroughly decent human being. Not a voter though, boundary changes means he lives in Gordon and Buchan
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,046
    edited June 6
    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
    If you're writing this fanfic, I'll read it.
    "ChatGPT vX, please take this image of Sir Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron and generate a five-minute video of them wrestling naked in front of a fireplace with pronounced sweat and chiaroscuro, in the manner of the film "Women In Love" (1969)"
    Really scared now that someone will train a large language model on PB….
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,043

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    I see tonight's Survation has the Tories cutting Labour's lead by 3% and still 8% ahead of Reform
    https://x.com/Survation/status/1798751741057409248

    And leading to a Labour majority of 326, according to Electoral Calculus

    Labour very very easily lose their majority next time.
    If they win a majority over 150 it’s electorally very unlikely, however much you might wish otherwise.

    Remember, the current majority was c. 80.

    Anything over 100 usually takes two bites and that’s even if your reputation hasn’t been trashed and you haven’t got a divided Right.

    You told me to brace but I think it’s you that might need to do that. You’re going to be out of power for at least 9 years, possibly more.
    You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.

    But it's kind of cute, in a way.
    Why so angry? It's unnecessary.
    Worried Heathener might be right, I guess ?
    That might wind up anyone.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
    If you're writing this fanfic, I'll read it.
    "ChatGPT vX, please take this image of Sir Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron and generate a five-minute video of them wrestling naked in front of a fireplace with pronounced sweat and chiaroscuro, in the manner of the film "Women In Love" (1969)"
    Really scared now that seen one will train a large language model on PB….
    What did you think the last "server upgrade" by RCS was for?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    This third umpire is an idiot. He's taken ages over what's a fairly simple replay.

    Especially since in practice it makes little difference. The dot ball is the key.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
    Why don't you return to the 1970s where you belong. Ooh er Mrs!

    Even if they were an item, surely we are way past taking the piss.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Off topic. Why are the motorway services west of Leicester called Leicester Forest East?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,491

    The Sunak Debate Bounce appears to be a Reverse Bounce.

    Hmm.

    It’s the problems Sunak set up for the rest of the campaign with his lies to answer every question, that will prove the enduring take out.

    No matter how batshit Penny knows these answers are, she must take the stage tomorrow and tell the voters boat crossings are down, waiting lists are down, pensioners have never paid tax, Rwanda will be a fabulous deterrent, the 2K Lie wasn’t made up by SPADs in an echo chamber the treasury really did do most of it. Etc etc.

    After the lead on answers Sunak has firmly set, all opponents are ready and waiting now to debate Tories, wherever, whenever, and as often as they can. 🫣
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Off topic. Why are the motorway services west of Leicester called Leicester Forest East?
    Krakatoa West of Java vibes
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    @PaulBrandITV

    EXCL: In his first interview since Tuesday's debate, Sunak denies he is a "liar".

    Starmer has repeatedly accused him of lying about Labour's tax plans.

    “It’s desperate stuff. They are obviously very rattled", Sunak says.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,046
    edited June 6

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Off topic. Why are the motorway services west of Leicester called Leicester Forest East?
    Leicester Forest East is a village (Leicester Forest used to be west of Leicester).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    USA beat Pakistan in Dallas.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Sandpit said:

    Does anyone still bet on matches involving Pakistan?

    Only Pakistani cricketers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    @implausibleblog
    Wow! #BBCQT

    Mark Harper repeats Rishi Sunak's lie about the £2,000 Labour tax

    Fiona Bruce calls him out on it

    Mark Harper doubles down

    Fiona Bruce reads out the letter

    Mark Harper triples down on it

    Shabana Mahmood jumps in and calls him out

    Look at Mark Harpers face - he knows he's telling lies and yet he carries on, Shameful
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    edited June 6
    What odds it's a wide?

    It isn't! America win the super over!

    (Mr Jones looks useful, by the way.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Off topic. Why are the motorway services west of Leicester called Leicester Forest East?
    Must be because the forest is to the west of Leicester and the services are on the east side of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    edited June 6

    The Sunak Debate Bounce appears to be a Reverse Bounce.

    Hmm.

    It’s the problems Sunak set up for the rest of the campaign with his lies to answer every question, that will prove the enduring take out.

    No matter how batshit Penny knows these answers are, she must take the stage tomorrow and tell the voters boat crossings are down, waiting lists are down, pensioners have never paid tax, Rwanda will be a fabulous deterrent, the 2K Lie wasn’t made up by SPADs in an echo chamber the treasury really did do most of it. Etc etc.

    After the lead on answers Sunak has firmly set, all opponents are ready and waiting now to debate Tories, wherever, whenever, and as often as they can. 🫣
    You are right on this point. Mark Harper spent the beginning of BBCQT tonight defending the indefensible just as you describe.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Heathener said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1798792429102862411
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Not sure heading home early back was best idea for PM

    image

    And remember that's the Sun's chief political reporter - emphasising that Rishi went home as SKS talked with Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Prime Ministerial
    Looks morbe like zelensky saying "if you dont support us I am going to wring your scrawny neck" to me but then I only spent a few years making a living out of reading body language so what do I know
    Starmer looks as if he is cradling a small mouse against the wind. Which is thoughtful of him.
    So Richi was there!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    Sensational win for the USA cricket team. Disaster for Ladbrokes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,968
    What a finish in the cricket.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Sensational win for the USA cricket team. Disaster for Ladbrokes.

    Excuse me while I find the world's smallest violin.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,812

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ToryJim said:

    NEW: First Westminster voting intention since Farage announced his candidacy.

    LAB 43 (-4)
    CON 23 (-1)
    LD 9 (-2)
    GRN 5 (+2)
    RFM 15 (+7)
    SNP 3 (-)
    OTH 3 (-1)

    F/w 5th - 6th June. Changes vs. 27th May 2024. 1,056 adults in Great Britain.

    Farage enters the fray... Lab and LibDems take the biggest hit. Which seems a little... odd...
    I don't think so. A lot of the Lab vote comes from a 'kick the Tories' place. A lot of the LD vote comes from a 'plague on both your houses' place. Both of these are easily transferable to Reform.
    The electorate don't care if they shoot their load over Labour or Reform provided the bukkake is good.
    Have DuraAce and CR got their identities mixed up?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,867
    Here in the hyper marginal constituency of East Ham where Sir Stephen Timms clings on by his fingertips to his 33,000 majority, the election campaign is finally underway.

    Supporters of Tahir Mirza, running as an Independent candidate, were leafletting outside East Ham tube station this evening.

    The A4 leaflet isn't too bad but I can't reproduce for fear of causing apoplexy or a surfeit of something among the more Conservatively-inclined. Not only are there three pictures of Mr Mirza, formerly chair of East Ham CLP, with Jeremy Corbyn, there is also one with George Galloway who "supports" Mr Mirza (no Workers' Party candidate for East Ham).

    The two main topics for Tahir Mirza's rant are Newham Council, who are berated for parking permit charges and other anti-motorist actions which could be reproduced on any Conservative leaflet and Starmer's attitude on Gaza. It's the same line which has served the Newham Independents so well in recent Council by-elections in Boleyn and Plaistow.

    Mirza's campaign is well funded and organised by former Labour activists who once helped the current Mayor of Newham overthrow her predecessor but who were dumped as quickly as a cold kebab at 3am. They've never forgiven Roksana Fiaz or forgotten how Labour treated them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Off topic. Why are the motorway services west of Leicester called Leicester Forest East?
    Because it is the Eastern part of the ancient Leicester Forest, which lies west of Leicester City.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    @jessicaelgot

    Tory MP texts tonight in total disgust about PM leaving the D Day commemorations early. Said when they saw the picture of Cameron with the other world leaders at the ceremony, they initially thought the BBC had chosen the wrong picture.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362
    edited June 6
    biggles said:

    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    Roger said:

    SKS fans please explain

    https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/german-teachers-warn-against-lowering-voting-age-as-youth-shifts-right/

    A German teachers’ union has warned against lowering the voting age to 16 for national elections, shortly after polling data showed that the youth in the country are shifting to the Right.

    It was good seeing SKS and Macron hugging and chatting like old friends today. It made you dare hope......
    It's a gay thing.
    If you're writing this fanfic, I'll read it.
    "ChatGPT vX, please take this image of Sir Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron and generate a five-minute video of them wrestling naked in front of a fireplace with pronounced sweat and chiaroscuro, in the manner of the film "Women In Love" (1969)"
    Really scared now that someone will train a large language model on PB….
    It was tried, @Leon is the end result
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,404
    Scott_xP said:

    @implausibleblog
    Wow! #BBCQT

    Mark Harper repeats Rishi Sunak's lie about the £2,000 Labour tax

    Fiona Bruce calls him out on it

    Mark Harper doubles down

    Fiona Bruce reads out the letter

    Mark Harper triples down on it

    Shabana Mahmood jumps in and calls him out

    Look at Mark Harpers face - he knows he's telling lies and yet he carries on, Shameful

    No-one gives a fuck if the £2,000 tax claim is "shameful".

    We all know Labour will raise your taxes after the election, and we haven't a clue how much.

    This is if anything an understatement.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,404
    Andy_JS said:

    So in Leicester East we have Vaz and Webbe as indies. Could be interesting!

    Definitely worth a bet on the Tories imo. If there's one English seat they gain, this'll be it.
    11/2 with 365
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