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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    ToryJim said:

    🚨 NEW: Controversial priest and commentator Calvin Robinson has been expelled from the Tories for allegedly supporting Tommy Robinson and posting anti-Muslim tweets

    It’s all happening today

    Didn’t know he was a member. Might he be standing for Reform somewhere?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Andy_JS said:

    "Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    Follow
    🚨 BREAKING: Tory candidate for Spen Valley Adam Gregg has quit after inappropriate photos of underage girls he posted online resurfaced

    He quit minutes before the deadline for candidates to enter/withdraw

    [@DailyMirror]"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1799104035418464461

    People did warn that Greggs weren’t good for kids so we we shouldn’t be surprised.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    I agree, but I don't think that's going to happen. Reform are not actually going to poll 18%, or even 15%, and they're not going to win more than one or two seats. Look at that Torquay council result, in a Brexit voting and very elderly area. 8.5%, at the height of the Farage bubble. Tories 42%.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Andy_JS said:

    NO TORY CANDIDATE IN ROTHERHAM.

    They had 11000 odd votes last time. Can’t see it not being a massive Labour win.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited June 7
    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    Oh come on, it will be fun to mock Farage…

    That said, I do appreciate the point. But I’m afraid whatever happens the right are going to get…. right-er after the GE. At least Farage has baggage.
  • 65% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to leave the D-Day commemorations early to do an election interview

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1799106863679860765

    Sunak has blown up his campaign.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    Looks like no RefUK candidate in East Grinstead and Uckfield.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 643

    eek said:

    @Tomorrow'sMPs
    @tomorrowsmps
    🔵 Conservative HQ tell me they have managed to nominate candidates in all but one seat, and that seat is "unwinnable".


    Robert Hutton
    @RobDotHutton
    Right now, that might mean Beaconsfield.

    When was the last time that the Conservatives didn’t stand in every GB seat (excluding the Speaker’s)?
    1970 - Greenock
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    A 30 to 40 seat majority would do me.

    I am sensing I might be wrong about 1992 redux. That is not necessarily my fault. I couldn't have countenanced the sub-Johnson clown show. Although there is nearly a month to go, so it's not a done deal yet
    Truss would have had more chance of turning things around.
    Now you are being silly.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    edited June 7
    ToryJim said:

    Andy_JS said:

    NO TORY CANDIDATE IN ROTHERHAM.

    They had 11000 odd votes last time. Can’t see it not being a massive Labour win.
    Reform UK will be looking closely at Rotherham if they're the main "to the right-of-centre" party contesting the seat. Maybe we'll see a few Farage visits to the constituency.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨 NEW: Controversial priest and commentator Calvin Robinson has been expelled from the Tories for allegedly supporting Tommy Robinson and posting anti-Muslim tweets

    It’s all happening today

    Never occurred to me he was still in the Tories.
    He's an absolute nutter. Genuinely off his rocker.
    I’m surprised he hasn’t been defrocked by now.
    The Church of England never frocked him in the first place. His deaconing was with the (fringe) Free Church of England and his pristine by the (I had to look them up) Nordic Catholic Church.
    Ah so he’s pretending a religious authority he doesn’t possess. Figures as he comes across as about as Christian as the Ayatollah.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    A safe pair of hands?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    wuss.

    that just means we get to rubbish Starmer for the next five years.

    we need some variety
    I'm putting country over party. Even this changed party that is back in the service of working people.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,039
    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    @MarqueeMark

    Any sign of D-Day on the doorstep?

    I note big swing to LD with squeeze of Lab in Torquay council last night, but narrow Tory hold.

    I wonder if we will here similar story in South Devon.

    Last night's Wellswood (Torbay) council by-election result:

    CON: 42.3% (-21.1)
    LDEM: 41.9% (+41.9)
    REF: 8.5% (+8.5)
    LAB: 5.3% (-19.6)
    GRN: 1.5% (-10.1)
    WP: 0.5% (+0.5)

    Valid votes cast: 2,217

    Conservative HOLD.
    Foxy - those change figures are wrong. LDM should be +17.0, Lab +5.3. So it was Lab intervention that let the Con win.
    My source was:

    https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1798968636864119149?t=HAZmmfGEGpNT-kEqHDajFQ&s=19
    Yes that was wrong as well. The Lib Dems were 900 votes behind but in 2nd place in 2023 and no Lab candidate. I suspect the comparison was with a previous year.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    No RefUK candidate in Cheltenham. That makes at least 2 short of a full slate.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    PJH said:

    eek said:

    @Tomorrow'sMPs
    @tomorrowsmps
    🔵 Conservative HQ tell me they have managed to nominate candidates in all but one seat, and that seat is "unwinnable".


    Robert Hutton
    @RobDotHutton
    Right now, that might mean Beaconsfield.

    When was the last time that the Conservatives didn’t stand in every GB seat (excluding the Speaker’s)?
    1970 - Greenock
    And against the odds and the polling the Tories won. The omens are good!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    edited June 7
    kyf_100 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Chameleon said:

    Harwood reporting that canvassers are finding things have got worse as well… https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1799091605476909272?s=46&t=DjGzxV4_2K3JqT59XIU6Lg

    We were discussing crossover before all this!

    You beat me to it. Sub 100 seats incoming ?
    Bet365 - Tories less than 50 seats now 10/3..

    Labour 500 seats or more 6/1

    Feeling slightly smug that I tipped Labour 500+ seats at 25/1 on Betfair Exchange a week ago (currently trading at 8/1 over there). Stuck twenty quid on it intending it to be a trading bet, reckon I will keep it now for the lolz.

    Fwiw, I don't think Labour will reach 500 seats but I do see them coming close. 450+ feels nailed on, unless anything changes.

    You feel smug! Consider how Peter the Smug Punter from Smugness feels about his prediction in Benpointers Excellent Competition.

    I look at my entry hourly, on the hour. If there is one thing that ought to make you guys seriously think about voting for Rishi it is the prospect of how insufferable I will be if my extravagant prediction turns out to be the closest.

    Majority of 254 since you ask. :)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    ....
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨 NEW: Controversial priest and commentator Calvin Robinson has been expelled from the Tories for allegedly supporting Tommy Robinson and posting anti-Muslim tweets

    It’s all happening today

    Never occurred to me he was still in the Tories.
    He's an absolute nutter. Genuinely off his rocker.
    I’m surprised he hasn’t been defrocked by now.
    The Church of England never frocked him in the first place. His deaconing was with the (fringe) Free Church of England and his pristine by the (I had to look them up) Nordic Catholic Church.
    Ah so he’s pretending a religious authority he doesn’t possess. Figures as he comes across as about as Christian as the Ayatollah.
    The Church of What's Happening Now - Flip Wilson Show with guest Richard Pryor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OynN_0pyA
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Andy_JS said:

    ToryJim said:

    Andy_JS said:

    NO TORY CANDIDATE IN ROTHERHAM.

    They had 11000 odd votes last time. Can’t see it not being a massive Labour win.
    Reform UK will be looking closely at Rotherham if they're the main "to the right-of-centre" party contesting the seat. Maybe we'll see a few Farage visits to the constituency.
    South Yorks is fertile ground for RUK. If they do break through and win seats some of them will be there.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366

    kyf_100 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Chameleon said:

    Harwood reporting that canvassers are finding things have got worse as well… https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1799091605476909272?s=46&t=DjGzxV4_2K3JqT59XIU6Lg

    We were discussing crossover before all this!

    You beat me to it. Sub 100 seats incoming ?
    Bet365 - Tories less than 50 seats now 10/3..

    Labour 500 seats or more 6/1

    Feeling slightly smug that I tipped Labour 500+ seats at 25/1 on Betfair Exchange a week ago (currently trading at 8/1 over there). Stuck twenty quid on it intending it to be a trading bet, reckon I will keep it now for the lolz.

    Fwiw, I don't think Labour will reach 500 seats but I do see them coming close. 450+ feels nailed on, unless anything changes.

    You feel smug! Consider how Peter the Smug Punter from Smugness feels about his prediction in Benpointers Excellent Competition.

    I look at my entry hourly, on the hour. If there is one thing that ought to make you guys seriously think about voting for Rishi it is the prospect of how insufferable I will be if my extravagant prediction turns out to be the closest.

    Majority of 245 since you ask. :)
    I think that majority may be on the low side....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    A safe pair of hands?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ju8pL1P9ww&t=115
    Yes, okay, okay, thank you for reminding me of that!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    No RefUK candidate in Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland, but that's probably because of a deal with Rod Liddle and the SDP.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,039
    Now we have full lists of candidates it might be useful to look for interesting potential new MPs. There are going to be a lot of them.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    Andy_JS said:

    No RefUK candidate in Cheltenham. That makes at least 2 short of a full slate.

    Won't save Alex Chalk, I'm afraid.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,286
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Scott_xP said:

    And, we're off..

    @MirrorPolitics

    Tory election candidate quits after sharing inappropriate photos from club nights for kids

    https://x.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1799100568318931308

    Ah. Spen Valley. A Tory chance if things were going sort of OK for them. Might be why my local list isn't up yet.
    And they're in - the withdrawal shown and a last minute Con nominee parachuted in from an address in Altrincham & Sale West

    Full slates of the 5 parties, no WPGB, but a couple of Muslim named Inds in Spen & in Dewsbury
    Colne Valley - big 5 plus YP, McCartney defending for Con
    Huddersfield - big 5 only, no defending MP
    Dewsbury & Batley - big 5 plus Muslim Ind, no defending MP
    Spen Valley - big 5 plus Muslim Ind, plus detail of the Tory substitution, Leadbeater defending for Lab though nominal Con seat in 2019 (she chose here over D&B)
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321

    Andy_JS said:

    No RefUK candidate in Cheltenham. That makes at least 2 short of a full slate.

    Won't save Alex Chalk, I'm afraid.
    Edit: Don't see one in Tewkesbury, either. That might well save Laurence Robertson.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    slade said:

    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    @MarqueeMark

    Any sign of D-Day on the doorstep?

    I note big swing to LD with squeeze of Lab in Torquay council last night, but narrow Tory hold.

    I wonder if we will here similar story in South Devon.

    Last night's Wellswood (Torbay) council by-election result:

    CON: 42.3% (-21.1)
    LDEM: 41.9% (+41.9)
    REF: 8.5% (+8.5)
    LAB: 5.3% (-19.6)
    GRN: 1.5% (-10.1)
    WP: 0.5% (+0.5)

    Valid votes cast: 2,217

    Conservative HOLD.
    Foxy - those change figures are wrong. LDM should be +17.0, Lab +5.3. So it was Lab intervention that let the Con win.
    My source was:

    https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1798968636864119149?t=HAZmmfGEGpNT-kEqHDajFQ&s=19
    Yes that was wrong as well. The Lib Dems were 900 votes behind but in 2nd place in 2023 and no Lab candidate. I suspect the comparison was with a previous year.
    Thanks.

    I note a poor Reform vote in prime Brexitland territory.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    REFUK likely to be between 520 and 590 as per TomorrowsMPs

    My ‘CON vs REFUK vote share’ bet doesn’t look as good because of that - traded out a portion of it, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to capitalise on a post D Day gate and Farage debate bounce before trading out the rest.

    And if Reform are closer to 590 it could be fine either way.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Is Sunak confirmed at the candidate in Richmond?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    ToryJim said:

    🔵 Conservative HQ tell me they have managed to nominate candidates in all but one seat, and that seat is "unwinnable".

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799102778385781207?s=46

    That only narrows it down to 600 or so

    They’re standing in Bootle.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    65% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to leave the D-Day commemorations early to do an election interview

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1799106863679860765

    Sunak has blown up his campaign.

    Look, this is supposed to be top secret but I just can’t sit by and see Rishi eviscerated unfairly. Yesterday was final dress rehearsal ahead of the Taylor Swift concert in Edinburgh tonight where he’s performing a duet medley with her of “So Long London”, “Cruel Summer” and “Look what you made me do”.

    All that Pilates wasn’t for nothing.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    ToryJim said:

    Andy_JS said:

    NO TORY CANDIDATE IN ROTHERHAM.

    They had 11000 odd votes last time. Can’t see it not being a massive Labour win.
    Could be a mash up.

    Reform had 6000 versus a 14000 Lab winner. BWP have now entered the fray.

    Mcdonalds better order more milkshakes.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    What do we think happens where UKIP and Reform stand. Does Farage’s previous association cause confusion.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366
    edited June 7

    Andy_JS said:

    No RefUK candidate in Cheltenham. That makes at least 2 short of a full slate.

    Won't save Alex Chalk, I'm afraid.
    Edit: Don't see one in Tewkesbury, either. That might well save Laurence Robertson.
    You sure? - I see DAVIS Byron Clifford for Reform https://tewkesbury.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll.pdf

    Worth noting that the Labour candidate is from Chatham (Kent) so I suspect the Lib Dem candidate is going to be the none Tory candidate. My 5/1 odds on the Lib Dems winning looks a decent bet.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,812
    Betfair have opened up a market on Conservative seats 15 or less.....(350+seat losses).......
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Andy_JS said:

    No RefUK candidate in Cheltenham. That makes at least 2 short of a full slate.

    Won't save Alex Chalk, I'm afraid.
    That is a real shame. He’s a very bright, articulate and considerate chap who is always on top of his brief. Hopefully at some point he will get another go if he’s not totally disillusioned and doesn’t decide to just follow the money in law.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited June 7
    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru?

    And then the Green?

    (May have Green and SNP reversed, but goaty beards are more likely to be Green imo.)
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Andy_JS said:

    "Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    Follow
    🚨 BREAKING: Tory candidate for Spen Valley Adam Gregg has quit after inappropriate photos of underage girls he posted online resurfaced

    He quit minutes before the deadline for candidates to enter/withdraw

    [@DailyMirror]"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1799104035418464461

    What on Earth? Hope this has been reported to the police?
    'Inappropriate' could just mean anything. Enough to trigger a panic.

    What we will end up with is people breaking all these rules and getting elected anyway because people are fed up with 'cancel culture', as is likely to happen with Trump in the US later this year.





  • “This country is dead. Sharia law is king.”

    @lewis_goodall
    went door-knocking with Reform Party activists in Andy Burnham’s former constituency, Leigh, in Greater Manchester.

    Full episode out on Sunday 🎧

    https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1799111657505104287

    The Reform candidate's motivation is that he came through an airport and saw lots of people entering the country.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    We need to crowdsource snark for him to throw at his opponents. We adopt RP as the PB candidate and see what ridiculousness we can give him to use against his opponents. Donations to a charity of his choice if he uses any of our lines in public.
  • "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    (May have Green and SNP reversed, but goaty beards are more likely to be Green imo.)

    Carla from the Greens.

    My prediction for tonight is she'll be a bit of a hit.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    (May have Green and SNP reversed, but goaty beards are more likely to be Green imo.)

    Second from right, bottom row is that detective from line of duty. Left bottom row, Toad of Toad Hall.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Does CUP have candidate for Luton North? Ditto for Camberwell and Peckham?
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,779
    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    Tell us something we don't know - the biggest question is based on 1989 values or a revaluation exercise (which actually wouldn't be that difficult to do nowadays given prices are available).
  • Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (5-6 Jun)

    Con: 19% (no change from 3-4 June)
    Lab: 41% (+1)
    Reform UK: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 11% (+1)
    Green: 7% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1799110109987221715
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    I agree, but I don't think that's going to happen. Reform are not actually going to poll 18%, or even 15%, and they're not going to win more than one or two seats. Look at that Torquay council result, in a Brexit voting and very elderly area. 8.5%, at the height of the Farage bubble. Tories 42%.
    The Deplorable demographic is approx 15% of the population, I'd say. Litmus question would be do you like Donald Trump? That fingers them and it's of the order 15%. Maybe a touch higher. If you can get most of them, that's a solid base from which to stretch towards break through and seats. I reckon with Farage in play and the Cons in meltdown we might see that. But I hope we don't.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    eek said:

    kyf_100 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Chameleon said:

    Harwood reporting that canvassers are finding things have got worse as well… https://x.com/tomhfh/status/1799091605476909272?s=46&t=DjGzxV4_2K3JqT59XIU6Lg

    We were discussing crossover before all this!

    You beat me to it. Sub 100 seats incoming ?
    Bet365 - Tories less than 50 seats now 10/3..

    Labour 500 seats or more 6/1

    Feeling slightly smug that I tipped Labour 500+ seats at 25/1 on Betfair Exchange a week ago (currently trading at 8/1 over there). Stuck twenty quid on it intending it to be a trading bet, reckon I will keep it now for the lolz.

    Fwiw, I don't think Labour will reach 500 seats but I do see them coming close. 450+ feels nailed on, unless anything changes.

    You feel smug! Consider how Peter the Smug Punter from Smugness feels about his prediction in Benpointers Excellent Competition.

    I look at my entry hourly, on the hour. If there is one thing that ought to make you guys seriously think about voting for Rishi it is the prospect of how insufferable I will be if my extravagant prediction turns out to be the closest.

    Majority of 245 since you ask. :)
    I think that majority may be on the low side....
    It's all a bit of fun so I am loathe to be serious about it, but I have to say I was surprised to find I was so much higher than everyone else. All I did was key some recent poll averages into Electoral Calculus and that's what it gave me. Why did others not do something similar? More seriously, what does that tell you about the betting odds? I think the value is by and large still with Labour. Punters are just not getting their heads around what the polls are telling us because they just refuse to believe the outcome will be that extraordinary. It may not be. But it may be. Nor is there any reason to suppose it will not be even more extraordinary.

    If Ben were re-running the comp now, I'd be going 300+, but this time I wouldn't expect to be the only.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    The video in this tweet of Galloway ranting is just wow….

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1799113198555267525?s=46
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    edited June 7
    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 41% (+1)
    CON: 19% (=)
    RFM: 16% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (+1)
    GRN: 7% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 5-6 Jun.
    Changes w/ 3-4 Jun."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1799112386273845446
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    Does CUP have candidate for Luton North? Ditto for Camberwell and Peckham?

    What does CUP stand for? Here are the candidates in Luton North.

    https://www.luton.gov.uk/Council_government_and_democracy/Lists/LutonDocuments/PDF/Voting and elections/election-july-2024/statement-of-person-nominated-and-notice-of-poll-luton-north.pdf
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700

    ToryJim said:

    🔵 Conservative HQ tell me they have managed to nominate candidates in all but one seat, and that seat is "unwinnable".

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799102778385781207?s=46

    That only narrows it down to 600 or so

    They’re standing in Bootle.
    They're talking about Catterick and district.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    darkage said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    ·
    Follow
    🚨 BREAKING: Tory candidate for Spen Valley Adam Gregg has quit after inappropriate photos of underage girls he posted online resurfaced

    He quit minutes before the deadline for candidates to enter/withdraw

    [@DailyMirror]"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1799104035418464461

    What on Earth? Hope this has been reported to the police?
    'Inappropriate' could just mean anything. Enough to trigger a panic.

    What we will end up with is people breaking all these rules and getting elected anyway because people are fed up with 'cancel culture', as is likely to happen with Trump in the US later this year.
    Is not wanting someone who is guilty of multiple frauds and was found by a jury to have sexually assaulted someone considered “cancel culture”?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    edited June 7
    Tamworth has both UKIP and Reform candidates.

    UKIP, RefUK, Lab, Workers, Green, Con, LD.

    https://www.lichfielddc.gov.uk/downloads/file/2533/statement-of-person-nominated-tamworth
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    edited June 7
    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    I agree, but I don't think that's going to happen. Reform are not actually going to poll 18%, or even 15%, and they're not going to win more than one or two seats. Look at that Torquay council result, in a Brexit voting and very elderly area. 8.5%, at the height of the Farage bubble. Tories 42%.
    The Deplorable demographic is approx 15% of the population, I'd say. Litmus question would be do you like Donald Trump? That fingers them and it's of the order 15%. Maybe a touch higher. If you can get most of them, that's a solid base from which to stretch towards break through and seats. I reckon with Farage in play and the Cons in meltdown we might see that. But I hope we don't.
    So you spend years moaning about the Tories and then when they're at deaths door you want them back .
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,938
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 41% (+1)
    CON: 19% (=)
    RFM: 16% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (+1)
    GRN: 7% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 5-6 Jun.
    Changes w/ 3-4 Jun."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1799112386273845446

    Baxtered - Labour on 501 seats, Lib Dems official opposition on 63 seats, Con in 3rd place on 48 seats.

    I know Electoral Calculus is the Internet's favourite random number generator, but still...



  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    It is preposterous that council tax is based on what a property would have been worth in 1991. There are MPs who weren’t even born then.
  • https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1799114894866083986

    Sources say Labour manifesto has been confirmed but not unanimously - Unite unable to endorse because of party’s position on fire & rehire and oil and gas licence ban.

    Great news for Labour then.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    I have just received some Lithic Lovers Monthly travel commissions

    If all this pans out it means that in the next 10-12 months I have to go Brittany (again!), Normandy, Uzbekistan, Canada, the USA, Montenegro, Japan, Colombia, El Salvador, Thailand, Cambodia, Italy/Slovenia

    I say this not to boast but to - OK I say this to boast
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    MattW said:

    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
    Do you mention your family were toolmakers every time you are interviewed, Matt?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    MattW said:

    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
    You are so on-trend claiming descent from a toolmaker. I’m looking forward to summer parties to find out what type of tools people I meet fathers’ made whilst Sir Keir is still a thing.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,938
    Leon said:

    I have just received some Lithic Lovers Monthly travel commissions

    If all this pans out it means that in the next 10-12 months I have to go Brittany (again!), Normandy, Uzbekistan, Canada, the USA, Montenegro, Japan, Colombia, El Salvador, Thailand, Cambodia, Italy/Slovenia

    I say this not to boast but to - OK I say this to boast

    Disappointed you missed the opportunity to say hit Brittany one more time, tbh.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    boulay said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    We need to crowdsource snark for him to throw at his opponents. We adopt RP as the PB candidate and see what ridiculousness we can give him to use against his opponents. Donations to a charity of his choice if he uses any of our lines in public.
    Already been doing my best. Though I hope the SNP candidate is reading PB, out of fairness.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    Lets be honest here - anyone who might vote for Farage wasn't going to vote for me. Let Reform split the hardcore Tory vote. I am now pitching myself as the only candidate who lives and works in the constituency who can stop the SNP.

    "Only we can stop the SNP" was the David Duguid pitch. Screw it, I've stolen it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    Too late, its a de facto done deal after DDgate.
    A yucky right populism led by Farage supplanting the Cons? God I hope not, and not inevitable, but very possible.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    edited June 7
    Andy_JS said:

    "Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 41% (+1)
    CON: 19% (=)
    RFM: 16% (-1)
    LDM: 11% (+1)
    GRN: 7% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @YouGov
    , 5-6 Jun.
    Changes w/ 3-4 Jun."

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1799112386273845446

    Good to see Reform not jumping up further. Also good to see LD slowly creeping up in the last few polls. Green remains pretty resilient, which is impressive considering virtually zero coverage or indeed knowledge of their policies.

    Just for good measure it's LLG 59, RefCon 35. In line with range of most pollsters in the last few months so the main change is Con-Ref churn. Highest LLG has been is around 62-63, highest RefCon gets is 37ish.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Starmer is now not bad on the ratings, +16 so not that different to Cameron.

    Sunak on -32

    It makes you wonder what Sunaks going to do for the next 4 weeks. Starmer will be watching the football.
    If Conservative candidates have anything to do with it, he'll go to live on a farm where he will be very happy and no we can't go to see him.

    I mean, you can't dump your candidate for PM mid-campaign. You would look stupid. Especially having dumped his two predecessors. But there comes a point where that would be better than four weeks of this.
    I think SKS might have a spare sanctuary for put-out-to-pastures going.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    YouGov fieldwork there doesn’t include D Day Gate so not sure how current it is. It’s the polls to come that will be really interesting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    In the debate tonight, Rayner is going to complain that this election was their chance to get themselves across, and explain to the voters the detail and minutia of all their plans for government, but Sunak is deliberately drowning this out and hogging the narrative, with constant stories of his own ineptitude.

    Senior Labour sources are upset the voters will go into election day still unclear what Labours actual plans are. They believed the focus of the campaign would be on them and their policies, and suspect Sunak deliberately pulled his Dunkirk Moment stunt to continue to lock Labour out from its deserved special moment in the spotlight.

    What's your preview on the all-important Battle of the Big Hair?

    Any inside track from the Beeb's hair and makeup team?

    Red Angela for the win or Blue Penny to sail away with victory?
    There will be plenty of other hair on the platform… well, from six of the debaters at least, so we should be fair and divide attention equally amongst it all?

    What would they do in make up with Stephen from Scotland? Too glossy and it could reflect the lights, and prove a distraction advantage when he’s speaking? So a Matt finish on the old egg shell?
    The Tory answers clearly laid out by Sunak, for his party to follow - waiting lists are down, boat crossings are down, pensioners have never paid tax, Rwanda will be a fabulous deterrent, the 2K Lie wasn’t made up by SPADs in an echo chamber the treasury really did do most of it.

    To what extent is everyone else lined up now with responses, soundbites, even cutting jokes to each of those ridiculous lies. So tonight really is all about Penny. How does she answer?
    If I were Penny I’d just go rogue to be honest. What’s the worst that could happen?
    What? Just go up and chin Rayner? Yeah that might work.
    Penny needs to focus on holding her seat, where she is behind but not doomed according to the YouGov MRP. Try and crowbar in a few references to Portsmouth!
    She might win the debate if she throws in her old party trick of answering every question with the word "cock" in her reply.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Scott_xP said:

    Do we really think Rishi could be subbed in the tenth minute of time added?

    Better than keeping him on the pitch
    Wouldn't that just be so absurd?
    Confused me - I thought you were discussing Mr Ross.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Who(m) pray tell, is financing Reform and it's array of candidates around Great Britain???
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    Oh come on, it will be fun to mock Farage…

    That said, I do appreciate the point. But I’m afraid whatever happens the right are going to get…. right-er after the GE. At least Farage has baggage.
    Yes it's coming, I suppose. So let's hope SKS is a success and keeps it at bay.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128

    MattW said:

    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
    Do you mention your family were toolmakers every time you are interviewed, Matt?
    I've never been interviewed. :smile:

    Except by the local Councillor canvassing, and she did not get a word in edgeways because I was having a complain about grandmas in wheelchairs and mobility scooters not being able to get into the local park to take their grand kids to the playground because it had a barrier on it designed to keep out Schrodinger's ASBO Motorcyclist. That lets motorcycles through but blocks lawful users !

    The barrier was removed the next summer. And Council money invested in one about 10cm wider, which still blocked the same people.

    Which is on my little list for removal when I get round to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    Lol
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    boulay said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    We need to crowdsource snark for him to throw at his opponents. We adopt RP as the PB candidate and see what ridiculousness we can give him to use against his opponents. Donations to a charity of his choice if he uses any of our lines in public.
    We're formally launching the campaign tomorrow - 10am in Banff at the Mercat Cross. Followed by a busy weekend of door-knocking and video shooting.

    There's a hustings in Cullen on Thursday 20th - have already imagining how I am going to speak to the leader of the Scottish Tories...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
    You are so on-trend claiming descent from a toolmaker. I’m looking forward to summer parties to find out what type of tools people I meet fathers’ made whilst Sir Keir is still a thing.
    Recently rediscovered the tools my father made as an apprentice in the Navy. So you can add me to the trend.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    It is preposterous that council tax is based on what a property would have been worth in 1991. There are MPs who weren’t even born then.
    It's all relative though. House prices have gone up by c. 500% since 1991 but so what? I presume you're not saying CT should be 5x higher?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Lennon said:

    MattW said:

    My photo quota for today is:

    Who are half of the people in the Leadership debate?


    From the top left. Ange the Tory beater-upper, Penny the Diver, Mr Garage, Daisy Wotsit, and then I run out of names.

    The next chap has clearly just sat in a puddle on a park bench, from the 'ick my Y-fronts are damp from below' forced rictus smile. SNP?

    Then the person from Plaid Cymru.

    And then the Green?

    Bottom row, left to right. Farage (Reform); Daisy Cooper (Lib Dem); Rhun ap Iorwerth (Plaid Cymru); Carla Denyer (Green); Stephen Flynn (SNP)
    Embarrassing to forget Cooper.

    My grandpa was a Cooper, and used to be one in a family toolmaking company in Sheffield; I still have a few of them.
    You are so on-trend claiming descent from a toolmaker. I’m looking forward to summer parties to find out what type of tools people I meet fathers’ made whilst Sir Keir is still a thing.
    DJT can claim descent from a tool. As can his own progeny.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    Lets be honest here - anyone who might vote for Farage wasn't going to vote for me. Let Reform split the hardcore Tory vote. I am now pitching myself as the only candidate who lives and works in the constituency who can stop the SNP.

    "Only we can stop the SNP" was the David Duguid pitch. Screw it, I've stolen it.
    Tired of desulTory politicians. Think they are taking the SNPiss, want the decent Reform, vote Rochdale for LibDem. He’ll call a ratfuck a ratfuck.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Leon said:

    I have just received some Lithic Lovers Monthly travel commissions

    If all this pans out it means that in the next 10-12 months I have to go Brittany (again!), Normandy, Uzbekistan, Canada, the USA, Montenegro, Japan, Colombia, El Salvador, Thailand, Cambodia, Italy/Slovenia

    I say this not to boast but to - OK I say this to boast

    Surprised there's still a market for exotic travel what with the imminent arrival of Starmer's Socialist Republic of Britain.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    There’s crossover of sorts in one place

    BF Exchange Most Seats

    Labour 1.03
    Conservatives 55
    Reform 55
    Lib Dems 1000
    Green 1000
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,812
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just to say, I don't want a humungous Labour majority at the price of empowering Farage. I'll take the vanilla landslide.

    Too late, its a de facto done deal after DDgate.
    A yucky right populism led by Farage supplanting the Cons? God I hope not, and not inevitable, but very possible.
    Reverse takeover. Is it any worse than the current version of division, back stabbing, contempt and lies without purpose?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    boulay said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    We need to crowdsource snark for him to throw at his opponents. We adopt RP as the PB candidate and see what ridiculousness we can give him to use against his opponents. Donations to a charity of his choice if he uses any of our lines in public.
    We're formally launching the campaign tomorrow - 10am in Banff at the Mercat Cross. Followed by a busy weekend of door-knocking and video shooting.

    There's a hustings in Cullen on Thursday 20th - have already imagining how I am going to speak to the leader of the Scottish Tories...
    Exactly the right place to make a public announcement - you've obviously gone native.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366

    John Bull
    @garius
    ·
    3m
    Tonight Penny Mordaunt, a serving Royal Navy Reserve Officer, gets to be asked live on TV what she thinks of Rishi leaving the D Day anniversary early.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Interesting shenanigans in Islington North
    https://www.islington.gov.uk/about-the-council/voting-and-elections/general-election-2024/election-of-a-member-of-parliament-for-islington-north
    Looks like someone from Kensington and Chelsea decided to call themselves Jeremy Corbyn to stand as an independent but has been not allowed onto the ballot paper (I assume because their name isn't Jeremy Corbyn).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    It is preposterous that council tax is based on what a property would have been worth in 1991. There are MPs who weren’t even born then.
    It's all relative though. House prices have gone up by c. 500% since 1991 but so what? I presume you're not saying CT should be 5x higher?
    Perhaps to avoid the confusion of out-of-date valuations we should normalise them to a scale between 25 and 100 which would translate into the percentage of the maximum council tax that you're liable for.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    Leon said:

    I have just received some Lithic Lovers Monthly travel commissions

    If all this pans out it means that in the next 10-12 months I have to go Brittany (again!), Normandy, Uzbekistan, Canada, the USA, Montenegro, Japan, Colombia, El Salvador, Thailand, Cambodia, Italy/Slovenia

    I say this not to boast but to - OK I say this to boast

    Surprised there's still a market for exotic travel what with the imminent arrival of Starmer's Socialist Republic of Britain.
    If the readership is about to go expat, they'll still need travel advice.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580

    There’s crossover of sorts in one place

    BF Exchange Most Seats

    Labour 1.03
    Conservatives 55
    Reform 55
    Lib Dems 1000
    Green 1000

    I do wonder if this might be the best market for a trading bet.

    Of course REFUK won’t win Most Seats, but this market has got almost £6m matched on it and it’s likely where people might flock during the debate later and/or tonight’s polls.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    It is preposterous that council tax is based on what a property would have been worth in 1991. There are MPs who weren’t even born then.
    It's all relative though. House prices have gone up by c. 500% since 1991 but so what? I presume you're not saying CT should be 5x higher?
    Perhaps to avoid the confusion of out-of-date valuations we should normalise them to a scale between 25 and 100 which would translate into the percentage of the maximum council tax that you're liable for.
    Everybody round here refers to them as bands, A to G, with no reference to the original 'values' those bands covered.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    Who(m) pray tell, is financing Reform and it's array of candidates around Great Britain???

    Clearly someone who wants to harm the Conservatives. Do you suspect Putin?
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    Lets be honest here - anyone who might vote for Farage wasn't going to vote for me. Let Reform split the hardcore Tory vote. I am now pitching myself as the only candidate who lives and works in the constituency who can stop the SNP.

    "Only we can stop the SNP" was the David Duguid pitch. Screw it, I've stolen it.
    Yes and no. If people are peeling off from the Tories out of disgust and just want to find some other repository for their vote, without them being true believers of any particular political philosophy, then I can see them going to Lib Dem or Reform. This new candidate is going to cost you potential switchers.
    I don't think there's masses of true believers here. Reform aren't well loved round these parts. But there's many a protest vote up for grabs.
    I agree. Of course Brexit is still an issue in minds, but, it’s probably second to ‘Tories out’ for many right now, to the point where many would vote for whoever of REFUK or LD represented their best hope - even if ideologically the parties are some way apart on many issues.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ANME update:
    We have a fifth candidate, one Jo Hart. Google the election agent, I think this is a Reform candidate.

    Someone's updated the Wikipedia page now with that new candidate, agreeing with me that it's a Reform one. So, not helpful to @RochdalePioneers if he wants to court the Conservative voters. A few of them are bound to go to her.
    Lets be honest here - anyone who might vote for Farage wasn't going to vote for me. Let Reform split the hardcore Tory vote. I am now pitching myself as the only candidate who lives and works in the constituency who can stop the SNP.

    "Only we can stop the SNP" was the David Duguid pitch. Screw it, I've stolen it.
    Yes and no. If people are peeling off from the Tories out of disgust and just want to find some other repository for their vote, without them being true believers of any particular political philosophy, then I can see them going to Lib Dem or Reform. This new candidate is going to cost you potential switchers.
    I don't think there's masses of true believers here. Reform aren't well loved round these parts. But there's many a protest vote up for grabs.
    I believe the fear is "stop the Tories" as a counterpoint to "don't let the English take independence off us"

    Duguid ran as the only candidate who could stop the SNP. And the SNP the only candidate who could stop the Tories. So with the Tory vote fragmenting and disappearing, I am going to park myself in their place. A vote for Labour or Reform is a vote for the SNP.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,067

    "Reeves is, I hear, looking very closely at an array of tax increases on wealth, and the creation of new council tax bands for more expensive homes is at the top of her list", writes @tnewtondunn

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/1799111474683462084

    Good. It's what I would do. You can't expatriate a house. Also as per GarysEconomics
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,128

    New Thread

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    DM_Andy said:

    Interesting shenanigans in Islington North
    https://www.islington.gov.uk/about-the-council/voting-and-elections/general-election-2024/election-of-a-member-of-parliament-for-islington-north
    Looks like someone from Kensington and Chelsea decided to call themselves Jeremy Corbyn to stand as an independent but has been not allowed onto the ballot paper (I assume because their name isn't Jeremy Corbyn).

    Well he says he changed it by deed poll
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