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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    Ratters said:

    I think this all comes back to the 'Sunak is not good at politics' conclusion.

    He might do okay working in a political think-tank. But being PM is simply way above his pay grade. For that you need a political instinct that he does not possess.

    Only when looking at the recent serial string of disasters do you realise just how easy some people made it look
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Ratters said:

    I think this all comes back to the 'Sunak is not good at politics' conclusion.

    He might do okay working in a political think-tank. But being PM is simply way above his pay grade. For that you need a political instinct that he does not possess.

    Theresa May was the last person who was actually capable of doing the job. I know she came under criticism for the way she did it and her presentational style, but she had the seriousness and the respect for the role.

    The Tories have since sent us 3 people unqualified and incapable of performing the role. They have really dug their own political graves here.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

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    Carnyx said:

    WTF kind of excuse is “it was pre-arranged” anyway? Nobody cares if it was pre-arranged, it looks bad because you did it, not because of when it went into your diary.

    I cannot believe that Rishi’s comms team like him, or that he is listening to them.

    "It was pre-arranged to feck off early"
    Whoever didn't block D-Day from his diary is not fit for purpose.

    That he didn't spot it himself - ditto.

    If we had gone from Boris to Penny Mordaunt, the Conservative Party - and the country - would have been in a better place. No way Penny would have shown such a lack of political acumen.

    There are a bunch of MPs who voted for Truss who will have a long, long time to reflect on their stupidity. With that on their CV, hard to see how those ex-MPs who voted for her get another job any time soon.

    I feel sorry for a core of Tory MPs who have been bloody good constituency MPs, but who have been undermined in getting re-elected by too many of their colleagues, from the top down.

    Now we have Starmer drifting in to Downing Street, effectively unopposed. Which wouldn't be quite so bad if hadn't shown himself to be so utterly useless in that first debte. A lifelong barrister who can't make the case for voting for him? He could be on Trump's team of lawyers, being that bad.
    Penny would have emerged from the waves in a WWII era dive suit holding a trident.
    COPP style, diving in originally from a canoe paddled by, who? That would have been good.
    No, apparently standing in the sea. Then revealed to be standing on the casing of an X-craft

    The Royal Navy during the Second World Wat A22903

    see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gambit
    Complete with her (officially given) dolphin badges.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.

    He (or she) has clearly got your number.
    I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.
    You haven't been round long.
    We have one who posts on PB.
    OK but on the job or in his spare time?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    @BestForBritain

    OH. WOW.😯

    Chris Philp's defence of Sunak to @sarahjolney1
    : "Were YOU there yesterday, then?" 😬

    A (quite rightly LIVID) Olney: "I'm not the PM. I'm not out there, in a foreign country, representing ALL of us."

    This is turning into a bigger mess for Sunak, by the minute. ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1799069455538155834
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    Harold Bishop to fight Canterbury?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    OH. WOW.😯

    Chris Philp's defence of Sunak to @sarahjolney1
    : "Were YOU there yesterday, then?" 😬

    A (quite rightly LIVID) Olney: "I'm not the PM. I'm not out there, in a foreign country, representing ALL of us."

    This is turning into a bigger mess for Sunak, by the minute. ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1799069455538155834

    I saw that. She was really offended by it. And with good reason.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Ok, the pipe major in the town I grew up in has just completely lost it a series of deeply abusive Facebook posts, all related to D-gate.

    CUT THROUGH

    "Garage door openers"

    "The pipe major in my town"

    I'm in an unfamiliar world here today.
    That's why we come here. Provincial British exotica. I don't know why Leon's always travelling, we've got everything here.
    War memorial
    Bus station
    Greggs
    Deserted Debenhams shop
    More Greggs
    Van selling burgers or kebabs
    Cashpoints
    Tramp outside cashpoint
    Drunks at prominent doorway begging/menacing
    Old fat people on mobility scooters, so fat the seat disappears in the bottom
    Nightclub that looks old and tacky in the daytime, with blanked-out windows
    Vape shops
    Charity shops
    British Heart Foundation Furniture and Electrical
    Waitrose/Sainsburys/Tescos/Co-op/Morrisons
    Buskers
    Tattoo shops
    Chain Coffee shop (Costa, Starbucks, whatevs)
    Local Coffee shop/cake shop where you can sit down with bacon roll and read book for a bit
    People sitting at tables drinking coffee like it was Paris or something
    Car parks
    Boarded-up shopping centre/road
    Pub advertising football
    Big Issue seller from Eastern Europe
    Opticians
    Nail bars
    Ice-cream shop
    That's a beautiful list. You're missing roadworks, flytipping, newsagents with a board outside showing a really banal headline from a local newspaper, bored kids at a bus stop, a painfully loud ice cream van, and a boy doing a wheelie on the pavement.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    @crispy_bart

    "It's simply not reasonable to criticise me for making a mistake, we planned to make this mistake simply AGES ago. This wasn't merely some momentary cock-up, it was a meticulously-planned, carefully strategised act of total, underpants-on-head idiocy"
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,938

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    Surely Reform are choosing on the basis of their, er, robust political views?

    In which case I imagine they'll be drumming up Eric Clapton and Morrissey next.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Any last minute surprises/defections on the horizon I wonder? We’ve got under two hours to go. Tick, tick, tick….

    I was wondering about news in re Mr Ross D., ex-MP, but Mr Sunak seems to have very nobly hogged the media and taken the Scottish heat off his subordinate.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    @TomLarkinSky

    Rishi Sunak went from his pool clip to visit a school. The school was located on...Veterans Way 😬

    A genuinely incredible day of campaigning.

    https://x.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1799071669711261991
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243
    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    I sympathise with the idea that we need to start planning for the inevitable. The 2030s will be all about getting the UK ready.

    But the nature and scale of the damage escalates very quickly the hotter the world gets. Sure, it's some dodgy modelling and no one knows for sure, but it's as likely it could be even worse than expected than better.

    There are some interesting and rather terrifying tipping points. It's like FPTP, but for the human race.
    Yes, the implication that we can therefore abandon the transition to renewables is plain wrong.
    We actually need to be accelerating that transition and planning how to adapt to significant climate change.

    Globally, the energy transition should be a net economic plus over time, which is fortunate.
    It's one of the most underestimated demerits on Mr Sunak's recird that he not only failed to push it but backpedalled.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.

    He (or she) has clearly got your number.
    I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.
    You haven't been round long.
    We have one who posts on PB.
    OK but on the job or in his spare time?
    Assuming he's not making stuff up (which seems implausible) on the job.
    Mind you, he's a fast walker.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Not enough people are aware of the extent of damage of Ukraine’s electricity production due to the relentless Russian strikes...

    Before the full-scale invasion Ukraine had about 55 gigawatts (GW) of electricity production. The FT recently wrote that about 20 GW are left. Just last Saturday alone, RU destroyed 1.2 GW of production.

    Several 🇺🇦 experts believe this number is more 6-10 GW, which means Ukraine lacks the means to cover electricity demands of private and industrial consumers. For peak summer but especially this winter, we will face hours long outages. Some quotes from the FT article that highlight the severity of the situation:

    “Asked what the damage would mean for the months ahead, one of the officials put it bluntly: “We should prepare for life in the cold and the dark.”
    “This is our new normal,” the second official said, gesturing outside a window to the darkness that had descended on Kyiv during a recent emergency power shutdown…

    If no measures are taken, according to our modelling, then probably the population will have only two to four hours of electricity [per day] in January,” said Borys Dodonov, head of energy and climate studies at the Kyiv School of Economics.”

    https://x.com/mattia_n/status/1799023310816076197
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    Presumably cos the ARO has a normal job with a completely different title. If I'm Head of Sanitation for Barchester City Council I don't want to have to resign and reapply every time a Tory PM screws up. Also, legally there is no permanent position, so the same applies, in reverse. We don't want to have to pay them redundo after 24 hours, she isn't a Tory PM.
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 67
    Still no Casino? I hope he hasn't spontaneously combusted or anything..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Carnyx said:

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    Presumably cos the ARO has a normal job with a completely different title. If I'm Head of Sanitation for Barchester City Council I don't want to have to resign and reapply every time a Tory PM screws up. Also, legally there is no permanent position, so the same applies, in reverse. We don't want to have to pay them redundo after 24 hours, she isn't a Tory PM.
    According to wiki:

    In England and Wales the post of returning officer for general elections is an honorary one, held by the high sheriff of the county for a county constituency or the mayor or chairman of the local council for a borough constituency. If a constituency overlaps district and county borders, the returning officer is designated by the Secretary of State for Justice.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    I asked Claude. This is (part of) his answer:
    In the United Kingdom, the term "Acting Returning Officer" is used during elections because the role is temporary and specific to the election period.
    The Returning Officer is the person responsible for conducting elections in a particular constituency or local authority area. However, this is not a permanent, full-time position. Instead, the role is taken on by an existing official, typically the head of the local council or a senior civil servant, in addition to their regular duties.


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    Big_Ian said:

    Still no Casino? I hope he hasn't spontaneously combusted or anything..

    Lying in a darkened room with a cold compress, I hope
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    Right…no buzz about Reform defections? Are they truly going to come right at the last minute? Or maybe not happening?

    I find it incredible we won’t get at least one defection given D-Day gate alone
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366
    edited June 7
    Scott_xP said:

    @TomLarkinSky

    Rishi Sunak went from his pool clip to visit a school. The school was located on...Veterans Way 😬

    A genuinely incredible day of campaigning.

    https://x.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1799071669711261991

    I'm starting to think that SKS has got a genie who forget to limit the number of wishes to 3...

    Because the other argument is that most of the campaigning team hate Rishi but even that couldn't explain the sheer number of coincidences like the one above.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    Big_Ian said:

    Still no Casino? I hope he hasn't spontaneously combusted or anything..

    Maybe he will have an announcement for us at 4.01pm.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    DavidL said:

    biggles said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    boulay said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    12m
    Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.

    The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
    That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.
    He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.

    Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.

    I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?


    I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.

    I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.

    OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
    That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.

    Him turning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
    It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?

    Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.
    No: it was killing the *dog*. Utterly unforgivable in British culture.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    OH. WOW.😯

    Chris Philp's defence of Sunak to @sarahjolney1
    : "Were YOU there yesterday, then?" 😬

    A (quite rightly LIVID) Olney: "I'm not the PM. I'm not out there, in a foreign country, representing ALL of us."

    This is turning into a bigger mess for Sunak, by the minute. ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1799069455538155834

    I saw that. She was really offended by it. And with good reason.
    What an absolute sh#t he is.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    But the reality is we're already doing that.

    We've already set our course to do our bit. We've stopped burning coal, we've eliminated a significant chunk of our emissions and we're on course for more of the same.

    We should tackle our emissions. We are doing. Nothing needs to change on that, we just need to "keep calm and carry on".
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    It’s the equivalent of heading at 70mph into a brick wall and realising it’s now too late to avoid crashing into it. So you don’t bother braking. In fact why not press the accelerator.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,988
    edited June 7
    I see Alloa and Grangemouth now available on Bet365. The odds probably match the current Scotland polling, but a post D-Day SCon -> Labour unionist shift is possible. Factoring in the presence of well-known Independence candidates in Kenny MacAskill and the feisty Eva Comrie, and a bit of anti-woke backlash against the (semi) incumbent SNP John Nicolson has led me to to back Labour at 15/8. As ever DYOR.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    Scott_xP said:

    @henningwehn

    Richi Sunak must be Britain’s most high-ranking World War II casualty.

    He has been bloody funny of late. He announced recently that he was going to boycott Latitude, Glasto, etc as a mark of protest. It would of course be churlish to ask whether he had been invited to perform...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    Sure. But no one wants to.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,643
    TimS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    It’s the equivalent of heading at 70mph into a brick wall and realising it’s now too late to avoid crashing into it. So you don’t bother braking. In fact why not press the accelerator.
    I'm not sure that analogy will work for everyone given previous debates on 20mph limits
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    AFAIK the leading civic dignitary is the Returning Officer and the Council apparatchik who actively runs the election is acting on their behalf. This is why on election night you sometimes see the mayor all togged up announcing the result as the Returning Officer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,602
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    OH. WOW.😯

    Chris Philp's defence of Sunak to @sarahjolney1
    : "Were YOU there yesterday, then?" 😬

    A (quite rightly LIVID) Olney: "I'm not the PM. I'm not out there, in a foreign country, representing ALL of us."

    This is turning into a bigger mess for Sunak, by the minute. ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1799069455538155834

    She has a lot more gravitas than I remember from when she won the by-election.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Sandpit said:

    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    The same Lord West who served in Brown’s government?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Big_Ian said:

    Still no Casino? I hope he hasn't spontaneously combusted or anything..

    Given the gallons of seemingly neat alcohol he had consumed yesterday evening, one hopes he avoiding straying near any naked flames
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,546
    O/T

    IIRC the previous version of the PB server used to have problems if comments reached more than about a thousand, but the new one can obviously cope with it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Sandpit said:

    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    Good greif, did you see the 2:21 story about the resignation? OK, so it's only Mr Gove's adviser, but the tone makes Mr Duguid look like an example from the Sermon on the Mount.

    'Ian Acheson, who has advised the Communities Secretary on extremism, said the Prime Minister’s decision was a “colossal act of disrespect” to war veterans on what could be the last commemoration that they could attend.

    In his resignation letter, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Acheson, a former prison governor, said: “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation.

    “Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns. Country before party. Always.”'
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Carnyx said:

    Any last minute surprises/defections on the horizon I wonder? We’ve got under two hours to go. Tick, tick, tick….

    I was wondering about news in re Mr Ross D., ex-MP, but Mr Sunak seems to have very nobly hogged the media and taken the Scottish heat off his subordinate.
    Did he hospitalise Duguid to ensure he could pick that seat
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Note to @rcs1000 , @TSE if back yet.

    I have just sent you a piece for a header, if you are looking.

    (Good afternoon everyone)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    ToryJim said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    The same Lord West who served in Brown’s government?
    "Just a simple sailor" rentagob.
    No one really cares what he says, tbf.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 643
    With all the speculation about whether the Tories will field a full slate of candidates (of course they will) a fun fact. The last time the Tories didn't stand a candidate in a GE (except for Speaker/Northern Ireland) was in 1970 - Greenock. They stood down in favour of a Liberal or Independent Conservative a handful of times in the 1950s (counting National Liberals as Conservatives for this purpose).

    Labour of course stood aside for Martin Bell in Tatton in 1997 but prior to that I think the previous time they failed to put a full slate up was in 1945.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    sarissa said:

    I see Alloa and Grangemouth now available on Bet365. The odds probably match the current Scotland polling, but a post D-Day SCon -> Labour unionist shift is possible. Factoring in the presence of well-known Independence candidates in Kenny MacAskill and the feisty Eva Comrie, and a bit of anti-woke backlash against the (semi) incumbent SNP John Nicolson has led me to to back Labour at 15/8. As ever DYOR.

    As long as Nicholson gets a good drubbing. Eva would be the best person for the area for sure.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,546
    edited June 7

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    That's funny, I was just about to ask the same question. What's a non-acting returning officer? Also, you sometimes have the "deputy acting returning officer" announcing the result.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    But the reality is we're already doing that.

    We've already set our course to do our bit. We've stopped burning coal, we've eliminated a significant chunk of our emissions and we're on course for more of the same.

    We should tackle our emissions. We are doing. Nothing needs to change on that, we just need to "keep calm and carry on".
    while India and China pile the coal into the boilers for full speed ahead.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,033
    edited June 7

    Ratters said:

    I think this all comes back to the 'Sunak is not good at politics' conclusion.

    He might do okay working in a political think-tank. But being PM is simply way above his pay grade. For that you need a political instinct that he does not possess.

    Theresa May was the last person who was actually capable of doing the job. I know she came under criticism for the way she did it and her presentational style, but she had the seriousness and the respect for the role.
    Nah. She had no political judgement or governmental expertise at all. She was poor as Home Sec and totally out of her depth as PM.

    I'm no fan of Cameron, who was pretty mediocre, but was at least moderately competent in governmental matters and didn't keep shooting himself in the foot.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    I despise Reform but I'll make a special exception for them up against Ric!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    biggles said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    boulay said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    12m
    Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.

    The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
    That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.
    He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.

    Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.

    I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?


    I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.

    I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.

    OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
    That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.

    Him turning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
    It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?

    Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.
    No: it was killing the *dog*. Utterly unforgivable in British culture.
    Yes, i remember it well. He'd have been fine if he hadn't shot the dog.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    IIRC the previous version of the PB server used to have problems if comments reached more than about a thousand, but the new one can obviously cope with it.

    Suggest we crowdsource hundreds of sunny breakfast shots to put the mofo through its paces
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,546
    edited June 7
    "Government advisor Ian Acheson quits over PM mistake" - GB News.

    Not sure if this is because he helped to make the decision or because he's registering a protest about it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Nigelb said:

    Not enough people are aware of the extent of damage of Ukraine’s electricity production due to the relentless Russian strikes...

    Before the full-scale invasion Ukraine had about 55 gigawatts (GW) of electricity production. The FT recently wrote that about 20 GW are left. Just last Saturday alone, RU destroyed 1.2 GW of production.

    Several 🇺🇦 experts believe this number is more 6-10 GW, which means Ukraine lacks the means to cover electricity demands of private and industrial consumers. For peak summer but especially this winter, we will face hours long outages. Some quotes from the FT article that highlight the severity of the situation:

    “Asked what the damage would mean for the months ahead, one of the officials put it bluntly: “We should prepare for life in the cold and the dark.”
    “This is our new normal,” the second official said, gesturing outside a window to the darkness that had descended on Kyiv during a recent emergency power shutdown…

    If no measures are taken, according to our modelling, then probably the population will have only two to four hours of electricity [per day] in January,” said Borys Dodonov, head of energy and climate studies at the Kyiv School of Economics.”

    https://x.com/mattia_n/status/1799023310816076197

    Trust me. I’ve noticed

    This is what the portable generators sound like all over Odessa. Add in diesel fumes for extra annoyance

    It is maddening. And this is across Ukraine now I think. Even in Lviv

    https://imgur.com/gallery/PCrfSpo

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,602
    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    Good greif, did you see the 2:21 story about the resignation? OK, so it's only Mr Gove's adviser, but the tone makes Mr Duguid look like an example from the Sermon on the Mount.

    'Ian Acheson, who has advised the Communities Secretary on extremism, said the Prime Minister’s decision was a “colossal act of disrespect” to war veterans on what could be the last commemoration that they could attend.

    In his resignation letter, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Acheson, a former prison governor, said: “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation.

    “Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns. Country before party. Always.”'
    Even Andrew Lloyd Weber is piling in.

    Andrew Lloyd Webber has accused Rishi Sunak of an “astonishing and terrible lack of political judgment” after leaving D-Day commemorations early.

    Lord Lloyd Webber, a lifelong Conservative supporter, composed a new piece of music, Lovingly Remembered, to mark the 80th anniversary of the landings.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    https://x.com/robertshrimsley/status/1799075951466479642?

    “Hearing consistently now that the D-Day error has absolutely cut through to voters and is already being brought up frequently on doorsteps”

    Very funny.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    malcolmg said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    But the reality is we're already doing that.

    We've already set our course to do our bit. We've stopped burning coal, we've eliminated a significant chunk of our emissions and we're on course for more of the same.

    We should tackle our emissions. We are doing. Nothing needs to change on that, we just need to "keep calm and carry on".
    while India and China pile the coal into the boilers for full speed ahead.
    Nope

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianpalmer/2024/04/28/oil-going-down-while-chinas-energy-mix-and-emissions-doing-a-backflip/#

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indias-renewable-energy-supply-on-the-rise-report-101706122032208-amp.html
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    OH. WOW.😯

    Chris Philp's defence of Sunak to @sarahjolney1
    : "Were YOU there yesterday, then?" 😬

    A (quite rightly LIVID) Olney: "I'm not the PM. I'm not out there, in a foreign country, representing ALL of us."

    This is turning into a bigger mess for Sunak, by the minute. ~AA

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1799069455538155834

    I saw that. She was really offended by it. And with good reason.
    Absolutely gobsmacking. What a POS. Glad she pulled him up on that, good for her.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479


    In his resignation letter, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Acheson, a former prison governor, said: “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation.
    “Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns.
    “Country before party. Always.”


    https://archive.ph/bAx2k
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,863
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    Is Holly Valance choosing between standing in Basildon for RefUK, or taking over from the Prime Minister who seemed close to chucking it all in during the pool interview. She has till 4pm.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    edited June 7
    Seems there’s some last minute shenanigans in Hemel Hempstead as the recently selected Tory candidate resigns/is dumped at the last minute. When the story is written of this election it might not fit in one volume.

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799082221284028894?s=46
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,602
    ToryJim said:

    Seems there’s some last minute shenanigans in Hemel Hempstead as the recently selected Tory candidate resigns/is dumped at the last minute. When the story is written of this election it might not fit in one volume.

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799082221284028894?s=46

    What sort of spelling is Jaymey?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    Right…no buzz about Reform defections? Are they truly going to come right at the last minute? Or maybe not happening?

    I find it incredible we won’t get at least one defection given D-Day gate alone

    It is of course possible that some people have asked to defect and Farage has said no…

    He’s got to be a bit careful, because he doesn’t want it to look like all the incompetent and unlikeable Tories are moving over to his vehicle. Ones that aren’t household names are easier sells, perhaps.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243
    ToryJim said:

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    AFAIK the leading civic dignitary is the Returning Officer and the Council apparatchik who actively runs the election is acting on their behalf. This is why on election night you sometimes see the mayor all togged up announcing the result as the Returning Officer.
    Thanks. Suddenly it all makes sense.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,546
    edited June 7
    TimS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    Surely Reform are choosing on the basis of their, er, robust political views?

    In which case I imagine they'll be drumming up Eric Clapton and Morrissey next.
    Aussie soaps much more suitable.

    Paul Robinson clearly a blue wall Tory. Stand him somewhere in Surrey.

    Harold Bishop an old school
    Tory Wet. Probably also vulnerable to the Lib Dems.

    Mrs Mangle standing as Tory for Maidenhead.

    Helen Robinson gets a cross bench peerage in the Lords.

    Scott standing for Labour in a London seat.

    Charlene Labour up in Manchester.

    Henry standing for the Lib Dems somewhere in the West Country.

    Over in Home and Away Alf Stewart standing for Reform in Thanet.

    Like a lot of other people, I spent a inordinate amount of time watching this show. Looking back it's difficult to see what was so engrossing about the likes of Harold Bishop, Mrs Mangel, etc. 😊
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Not enough people are aware of the extent of damage of Ukraine’s electricity production due to the relentless Russian strikes...

    Before the full-scale invasion Ukraine had about 55 gigawatts (GW) of electricity production. The FT recently wrote that about 20 GW are left. Just last Saturday alone, RU destroyed 1.2 GW of production.

    Several 🇺🇦 experts believe this number is more 6-10 GW, which means Ukraine lacks the means to cover electricity demands of private and industrial consumers. For peak summer but especially this winter, we will face hours long outages. Some quotes from the FT article that highlight the severity of the situation:

    “Asked what the damage would mean for the months ahead, one of the officials put it bluntly: “We should prepare for life in the cold and the dark.”
    “This is our new normal,” the second official said, gesturing outside a window to the darkness that had descended on Kyiv during a recent emergency power shutdown…

    If no measures are taken, according to our modelling, then probably the population will have only two to four hours of electricity [per day] in January,” said Borys Dodonov, head of energy and climate studies at the Kyiv School of Economics.”

    https://x.com/mattia_n/status/1799023310816076197

    Trust me. I’ve noticed

    This is what the portable generators sound like all over Odessa. Add in diesel fumes for extra annoyance

    It is maddening. And this is across Ukraine now I think. Even in Lviv

    https://imgur.com/gallery/PCrfSpo

    We've been suffering from intermittent @Leon ?

    Has anyone noticed, so resilient is the service? :wink:
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813



    In his resignation letter, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Acheson, a former prison governor, said: “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation.
    “Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns.
    “Country before party. Always.”


    https://archive.ph/bAx2k

    Chortle. Oh this is delicious.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,493
    edited June 7
    In the debate tonight, Rayner is going to complain that this election was their chance to get themselves across, and explain to the voters the detail and minutia of all their plans for government, but Sunak is deliberately drowning this out and hogging the narrative, with constant stories of his own ineptitude.

    Senior Labour sources are upset the voters will go into election day still unclear what Labours actual plans are. They believed the focus of the campaign would be on them and their policies, and suspect Sunak deliberately pulled his Dunkirk Moment stunt to continue to lock Labour out from its deserved special moment in the spotlight.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    Surely Reform are choosing on the basis of their, er, robust political views?

    In which case I imagine they'll be drumming up Eric Clapton and Morrissey next.
    Aussie soaps much more suitable.

    Paul Robinson clearly a blue wall Tory. Stand him somewhere in Surrey.

    Harold Bishop an old school
    Tory Wet. Probably also vulnerable to the Lib Dems.

    Mrs Mangle standing as Tory for Maidenhead.

    Helen Robinson gets a cross bench peerage in the Lords.

    Scott standing for Labour in a London seat.

    Charlene Labour up in Manchester.

    Henry standing for the Lib Dems somewhere in the West Country.

    Over in Home and Away Alf Stewart standing for Reform in Thanet.

    Like a lot of other people, I spent a inordinate amount of time watching this show. Looking back it's difficult to see what was so engrossing about the likes of Harold Bishop, Mrs Mangel, etc. 😊
    Ha ha, me too ––– and fair point!

    In any case, I think it's shocking that @TimS has failed to find a winnable seat for the iconic Madge Bishop (nee Ramsay)
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    Seems there’s some last minute shenanigans in Hemel Hempstead as the recently selected Tory candidate resigns/is dumped at the last minute. When the story is written of this election it might not fit in one volume.

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799082221284028894?s=46

    What sort of spelling is Jaymey?
    Well I think all sorts of spellings get tried out these days. I don’t care how his parents decided to spell his name, I’m intrigued as to why he’s suddenly been dropped an hour before the deadline though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Now the former military themselves are piling in on Sunak. Starting with Lord West, former head of the Royal Navy.

    Top story in the Mirror Guardian Indepedent Telegraph.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/07/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

    Good greif, did you see the 2:21 story about the resignation? OK, so it's only Mr Gove's adviser, but the tone makes Mr Duguid look like an example from the Sermon on the Mount.

    'Ian Acheson, who has advised the Communities Secretary on extremism, said the Prime Minister’s decision was a “colossal act of disrespect” to war veterans on what could be the last commemoration that they could attend.

    In his resignation letter, seen by The Telegraph, Mr Acheson, a former prison governor, said: “It was an act of either colossal stupidity or cynical calculation.

    “Either way, it revealed to me that while I still embrace a conservative philosophy, I am no longer willing to have it outsourced to a bunch of mendacious, incompetent and disreputable clowns. Country before party. Always.”'
    Even Andrew Lloyd Weber is piling in.

    Andrew Lloyd Webber has accused Rishi Sunak of an “astonishing and terrible lack of political judgment” after leaving D-Day commemorations early.

    Lord Lloyd Webber, a lifelong Conservative supporter, composed a new piece of music, Lovingly Remembered, to mark the 80th anniversary of the landings.
    Ok, I’m now warming to Rishi.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited June 7
    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,242
    I'm starting to think that Sunak may be an even worse PM than Truss. At least she didn't embarrass herself when the Queen died and she left promptly when she knew it was over.

    Also I see Rishi has been in Stroud today. WTF? It only had a majority of about 2k in 2019 and the Yougov MRP predicts 51% Lab, 25% Con. Even with a bit of swingback, it's not a seat the Cons can realistically hold. Is it just machismo to pretend that the Cons can hold on to some sort of majority?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    malcolmg said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    The most important thing now is still to reduce the amount of global warming that we have to adjust to by reducing fossil fuel use, and other sources of GHGs, as quickly as possible.

    There's a big difference between 2C of warming and 4C.
    But the reality is we're already doing that.

    We've already set our course to do our bit. We've stopped burning coal, we've eliminated a significant chunk of our emissions and we're on course for more of the same.

    We should tackle our emissions. We are doing. Nothing needs to change on that, we just need to "keep calm and carry on".
    while India and China pile the coal into the boilers for full speed ahead.
    Spot on malc.

    The usual nonsense to make us all poorer.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    I'm starting to think that Sunak may be an even worse PM than Truss. At least she didn't embarrass herself when the Queen died and she left promptly when she knew it was over.

    Also I see Rishi has been in Stroud today. WTF? It only had a majority of about 2k in 2019 and the Yougov MRP predicts 51% Lab, 25% Con. Even with a bit of swingback, it's not a seat the Cons can realistically hold. Is it just machismo to pretend that the Cons can hold on to some sort of majority?

    I think, given the events of recent days, imbuing any kind of logic or reasoning to Rishi and his campaign is futile…
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    PJH said:

    With all the speculation about whether the Tories will field a full slate of candidates (of course they will) a fun fact. The last time the Tories didn't stand a candidate in a GE (except for Speaker/Northern Ireland) was in 1970 - Greenock. They stood down in favour of a Liberal or Independent Conservative a handful of times in the 1950s (counting National Liberals as Conservatives for this purpose).

    Labour of course stood aside for Martin Bell in Tatton in 1997 but prior to that I think the previous time they failed to put a full slate up was in 1945.

    There are also the post-nomination technicalities: cases where candidates are publicly disavowed, or even officially suspended, but the nomination on paper still stands, like Labour in Banff and Buchan in 2015.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    @AlexTaylorNews

    2 leading German papers on the UK election today

    "What have Brexit and Voldemort got in common ? People find them awful but their name must never be spoken"
    Die Zeit↙️

    "Brexit has become taboo, which, given the problems the country faces, is grotesque"
    Handelsblatt (🇩🇪 FT) ↘️
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    🔵 HEMEL HEMPSTEAD: local members told CCHQ had had "anonymous complaint against his prior conduct which requires investigating by the party. Having refuted the allegations and refused to resign his candidacy Jaymey has had his membership of the Party immediately suspended ..."

    https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1799085755186458905?s=46

    Seems someone did an LRM on the now previous Tory candidate
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    In the debate tonight, Rayner is going to complain that this election was their chance to get themselves across, and explain to the voters the detail and minutia of all their plans for government, but Sunak is deliberately drowning this out and hogging the narrative, with constant stories of his own ineptitude.

    Senior Labour sources are upset the voters will go into election day still unclear what Labours actual plans are. They believed the focus of the campaign would be on them and their policies, and suspect Sunak deliberately pulled his Dunkirk Moment stunt to continue to lock Labour out from its deserved special moment in the spotlight.

    What's your preview on the all-important Battle of the Big Hair?

    Any inside track from the Beeb's hair and makeup team?

    Red Angela for the win or Blue Penny to sail away with victory?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Pretty much my reaction. Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited June 7
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Pretty much my reaction. Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
    The poor sod realised they had 4 weeks of sheer masochism lined up for themselves and got the f*ck out?

    EDIT: can see now they have been suspended
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Pretty much my reaction. Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
    It would seem so.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,694

    Why is the Returning Officer always called the Acting Returning Officer, both on my poll card and when sharing the limelight at 4am with Count Binface. What added value does the word Acting bring to the party?

    The Returning Officer is officially some senior Council bod who has the statutory responsibilities. The Acting Returning Officer is the person who understands the detail.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    @AlexTaylorNews

    2 leading German papers on the UK election today

    "What have Brexit and Voldemort got in common ? People find them awful but their name must never be spoken"
    Die Zeit↙️

    "Brexit has become taboo, which, given the problems the country faces, is grotesque"
    Handelsblatt (🇩🇪 FT) ↘️

    Brave for a country which has just downgraded all its economic forecasts.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-1)
    CON: 20% (-1)
    RFM: 15% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 6-7 Jun.
    Changes w/ 30-31 May.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    Is there a chance that Reform defections could happen at the deadline and we don’t find out until after 4pm?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    @Stefan_Boscia

    Fury from within Tory Party about Sunak's early Normandy exit. A minister said they were “astonished” and ex-minister said it was "fucking nuts"

    Big opportunity now for Labour to paint Starmer as a statesman on world stage — as I write in
    @PoliticoEurope

    https://x.com/Stefan_Boscia/status/1799083749080174881
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited June 7

    I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?

    Hi,

    She’ll emphasise that he has apologised.

    Which works beautifully for her on every level.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,988

    In the debate tonight, Rayner is going to complain that this election was their chance to get themselves across, and explain to the voters the detail and minutia of all their plans for government, but Sunak is deliberately drowning this out and hogging the narrative, with constant stories of his own ineptitude.

    Senior Labour sources are upset the voters will go into election day still unclear what Labours actual plans are. They believed the focus of the campaign would be on them and their policies, and suspect Sunak deliberately pulled his Dunkirk Moment stunt to continue to lock Labour out from its deserved special moment in the spotlight.

    What's your preview on the all-important Battle of the Big Hair?

    Any inside track from the Beeb's hair and makeup team?

    Red Angela for the win or Blue Penny to sail away with victory?
    So shallow and uninformed. It's obviously all about shoulder pads and shoes.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 501
    ToryJim said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Pretty much my reaction. Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
    It would seem so.
    It'll be a rival who wants the gig - last minute knifing leaving them the only option
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    ToryJim said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-1)
    CON: 20% (-1)
    RFM: 15% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 6-7 Jun.
    Changes w/ 30-31 May.

    Just for fun, Baxtered:

    CON 30
    LAB 531
    LIB 53
    REF 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 13
    PLC 4

    Labour majority of 412.
  • If that wasn’t bad enough, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has hit his lowest ever net approval score, falling one to –32.

    👍 Approve: 23% (-1)
    👎 Disapprove: 55% (NC)
    😐 Neither: 22% (+1)

    https://x.com/wethinkpolling/status/1799086543031726480

    And if the Tory doldrums weren’t enough to put a broad grin on Sir Keir Starmer’s face, then this surely must... his net approval surged by 13 points to +14 this week – his highest ever.

    👍 Approve: 42% (+7)
    👎 Disapprove: 28% (-6)
    😐 Neither: 31% (NC)

    Is it a post-debate bounce? Mr Starmer also strikes gold with another huge lead, this time in our ‘preferred Prime Minister’ tracker where he gains another two points to create a 22-point gap.

    🔴 Keir Starmer: 47% (+2)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 25% (NC)
    ⚪ Don’t know: 28% (-3)

    Kind of feels like SKS has won.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
    ToryJim said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-1)
    CON: 20% (-1)
    RFM: 15% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 6-7 Jun.
    Changes w/ 30-31 May.

    Presumably a lot of that surveyed before D-Day-Disaster unfolded…
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580

    ToryJim said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-1)
    CON: 20% (-1)
    RFM: 15% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    GRN: 5% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @wethinkpolling, 6-7 Jun.
    Changes w/ 30-31 May.

    Just for fun, Baxtered:

    CON 30
    LAB 531
    LIB 53
    REF 0
    GRN 1
    SNP 13
    PLC 4

    Labour majority of 412.
    What is the most recent example in the Western World of a party having as high a majority as this, in an actual democracy?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Dopermean said:

    ToryJim said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Er... what?
    Pretty much my reaction. Crick sounding like they may have someone else lined up but it’ll be tight. Wonder what those reasons were…

    Is someone digging up dirt on Tory candidates and telling them right before the deadline?
    It would seem so.
    It'll be a rival who wants the gig - last minute knifing leaving them the only option
    Possibly or someone he’s annoyed at some point, apparently the complaint was received with photos according to Crick. Messy. Not that the Tories had much chance of holding on.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,546
    Chameleon said:

    Con Hemel Hempstead candidate has quit (personal reasons). 35 minutes to find another candidate…

    Majority of 14,000 and looks like they won’t be able to field a candidate.

    Seems a bit odd leaving it as late as this, even with personal problems.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    If that wasn’t bad enough, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has hit his lowest ever net approval score, falling one to –32.

    👍 Approve: 23% (-1)
    👎 Disapprove: 55% (NC)
    😐 Neither: 22% (+1)

    https://x.com/wethinkpolling/status/1799086543031726480

    And if the Tory doldrums weren’t enough to put a broad grin on Sir Keir Starmer’s face, then this surely must... his net approval surged by 13 points to +14 this week – his highest ever.

    👍 Approve: 42% (+7)
    👎 Disapprove: 28% (-6)
    😐 Neither: 31% (NC)

    Is it a post-debate bounce? Mr Starmer also strikes gold with another huge lead, this time in our ‘preferred Prime Minister’ tracker where he gains another two points to create a 22-point gap.

    🔴 Keir Starmer: 47% (+2)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 25% (NC)
    ⚪ Don’t know: 28% (-3)

    Kind of feels like SKS has won.

    I like how Sunak is third in a 2 horse race. Seems about right for this campaign.
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