Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

A quarrel in a far away country, between people of whom we know nothing – politicalbetting.com

123457

Comments

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    stodge said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. The lack of sympathy being displayed towards British Jews right now worries me a lot.

    Agreed. It's not just the lack of sympathy. It's the callous cruelty - tearing down posters, defacing them, threatening schools etc.,.

    I think some people enjoy being able to justify cruelty to a group they classify as "wrong" by claiming that they are just concerned with being kind to their favoured "in" group. In some cases, people only side with the "in" group precisely because it allows them to be horrible to Jews - while wrapped up in self-proclaimed virtue.

    It bodes very ill for our society. We can do nothing about what happens in the Middle East. But we can do something about how we treat a small, vulnerable and now fearful minority here - instead of grandstanding about abroad. That's what Starmer, what all our politicians should be judged on.
    You deserved more than 8 likes for this one.

    I've often thought there were relatively few liberals on pb - stodge, kle4, ydeouthr, rcs - but I'm more convinced of that now than ever.

    Lots of people who seem to talk a good game and claim to be fairly liberal but it seems as though they are mainly just Tory haters for whom issues like migration are just a weapon to beat the Tories with.
    Thank you for the ultimate accolade.

    There's no monopoly of illiberal thought on the right, left or even among liberals if I'm being honest. In a way, how we treat each other speaks volumes. From recent personal experience, kindness is everywhere when it's needed.

    It's not a mindset I find easy to get into but I suspect the constant low-level harrassment, insults, pointed words are cumulatively as bad as outright violence. Yet we know muslims too have been subject to the same at times in the recent past. It's all too easy to scapegoat a group, a creed, a nationality and blame everything on them and even in the most democratic and liberal (that word again) societies it happens, has happened and no doubt will continue to happen.

    Breaking the cycle of intolerance isn't easy because you start with the notion people have the freedom to be intolerant - you can't be intolerant on intolerance because that undermines the notion of freedom of thought. It's about education and information - telling people the truth though there are other "truths" out there. You also bump up the truth people like people like themselves.
    Illiberal thought is easy.

    Mon dieu et mon droit

    No need to argue, debate or hesitate. The propaganda of the deed beckons…

    “The one idea’d soul, all flesh refined to purposeful flame”

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    kle4 said:

    More news on Mike Johnson: 'One month ago, Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., voted with 93 Republicans to cut off Ukraine aid. Now, as speaker, Johnson said he's asked White House staff to “bifurcate” aid to Israel and Ukraine. But he emphasized that the U.S. must stop Russia’s advances.

    “We can’t allow Vladimir Putin to prevail in Ukraine because I don’t believe it would stop there,” Johnson said in an interview on Fox News the day after he was sworn in. “And it would probably encourage and empower China to perhaps make a move on Taiwan. We have these concerns. We’re not going to abandon them.”'

    source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-hope-ukraine-aid-pass-congress-israel-funding-rcna122408

    Several possible compromises are mentioned in the article.

    The Loser's friend, "Czar" Putin, won't be happy about this announcement.

    Doesn't sound massively optimistic - they were talking about holding a separate vote for Ukraine aid back when McCarthy was there, to pass with some level of bipartisan support, but the rebels seemed outraged all the same. I can see Gaetz has not condemned the idea, but I cannot see what is different in the idea which was proposed before.
    kle4 said:

    More news on Mike Johnson: 'One month ago, Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., voted with 93 Republicans to cut off Ukraine aid. Now, as speaker, Johnson said he's asked White House staff to “bifurcate” aid to Israel and Ukraine. But he emphasized that the U.S. must stop Russia’s advances.

    “We can’t allow Vladimir Putin to prevail in Ukraine because I don’t believe it would stop there,” Johnson said in an interview on Fox News the day after he was sworn in. “And it would probably encourage and empower China to perhaps make a move on Taiwan. We have these concerns. We’re not going to abandon them.”'

    source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-hope-ukraine-aid-pass-congress-israel-funding-rcna122408

    Several possible compromises are mentioned in the article.

    The Loser's friend, "Czar" Putin, won't be happy about this announcement.

    Doesn't sound massively optimistic - they were talking about holding a separate vote for Ukraine aid back when McCarthy was there, to pass with some level of bipartisan support, but the rebels seemed outraged all the same. I can see Gaetz has not condemned the idea, but I cannot see what is different in the idea which was proposed before.
    “Back when McCarthy was there” makes it sound like longer ago than 3 weeks…
  • Farrell very lucky there, he is bloody liability when it comes to tackling.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Hey Ireland, France, Australia - we got medals around our necks.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Carnyx said:

    AlistairM said:

    This image has been doing the rounds on TwiX today by all the usual people. Zoom in and have a count of the number of fingers and toes. Plus look at the arms round the neck - how is that possible?

    https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/1717836851325612133

    We are now seeing AI images being used for propaganda.

    Are we?!
    Golly, who knew?
    It started a little while ago


    Balaclava?
    600 men went that way. We are waiting for many of them, yet.

  • Hey Ireland, France, Australia - we got medals around our necks.....

    Won't be happening in the 6-nations. Be lucky to beat Italy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here’s a jingoistic architectural opinion

    British churches and cathedrals - if old enough - are generally the most numinous, mystical and spiritual inside

    I have no idea why this is. But if you go in a great British cathedral (generally gothic - but there are exceptions like Durham) you get an oooooh spine tingling quality that is all too often absent elsewhere

    Eg I’ve just been in Siracusa’s cathedral - which is half built out of a Doric Greek temple ffs - yet it didn’t particularly move me. I find the same in Spanish French German cathedrals. Most but not all Italian cathedrals

    And this is despite the fact Britain is a much less religious culture

    Maybe it is the northern light? The accretion of time without revolutions? The patina?

    You DO get the same buzz in some Eastern European and Russian cathedrals - they can be intense

    Relative lack of Catholic Tat? Seville always gave me a degree of spiritual indigestion.
    Yes, that’s definitely part of it. Controversial take: Catholicism ruins a lot of great Catholic cathedrals

    In France it is often the revolution that is to blame. It swept away so much - it scraped away the patina of smoke and time and worship which makes a great moving cathedral

    Weirdly, Hagia Sophia DOES have that buzz despite being a museum for a century and now a mosque

    Ditto the orthodox churches of Greece. Some of them are seriously intense. Esp the monasteries of Mount athos. Omg
    Ironic that most of the cathedrals you mention were built as Catholic cathedrals.

    I feel the opposite to you. Having been brought up in Naples amidst fantastic baroque architecture and going to such churches every week for years, I find the spareness of Protestant churches weird - as if they are unfinished. Minimalism seems to me to be inhuman.There was something inhuman about the destruction of religious art during the Reformation; it damaged Britain's visual sense in a very profound way - from which it has never truly recovered.

    No, there is an austere beauty in Puritanism, which is why there was a massive popular demand for it. The focus though is not on architecture and idolatry, but rather the message and the collective of believers.

    Anglicanism is a British compromise to suppress the revolutionary doctrines and reimpose an aristocratic control of believers not very different to Catholicism.

    So yes of course there is less ornament, statuary, smells and spells in Protestant Churches. All that is seen as idolatry that is a misrepresentation of God.
    An absence of austere beauty characterised Puritanism. Selfish delusionism replaced such good things. At its heart was the abomination of Calvin's doctrine of double predestination. This is that the one God created two sorts of human, the ones who would necessarily be saved and those who would necessarily be damned. And there was nothing you could do to change it.

    'I am God's child and you are not' - which arises from Puritan doctrine, lies behind a lot of wickedness in this world.
    I'm not equipped for intense theological disputes, I don't think anyone really is (least of all theologians), but I had to read a lot about various sects and factions when studying about the Civil Wars period, and my vague understanding of predestination always struck me as incredibly offputting. The idea of everyone being able to achieve salvation if they do X or believe Y at least seems like an appealing, if convenient, message.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News loses money. 350,000 is the total in a week. Individual programmes don’t get anywhere near that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News loses money. 350,000 is the total in a week. Individual programmes don’t get anywhere near that.
    The question is whether they are closing the funding gap or is it opening?
  • HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News advertising is no-name companies who i imagine are paying peanuts. Fox gets the multi-nationals. Although since Fox News isn't connected to all the other Fox channels now their leverage won't be as great.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
    Oh, GB News is gaining share; it's just doing it in the context of a very difficult industry. And it's also trying to manage a transition to on-line at the same time.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
    You're making the mistake of assuming your prejudices are shared universally. The viewership of GBNews evidently don't believe that their presenting team are mentally ill as per your unappealing scoffing. It's aimed at a different audience to Unherd, and that's fine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here’s a jingoistic architectural opinion

    British churches and cathedrals - if old enough - are generally the most numinous, mystical and spiritual inside

    I have no idea why this is. But if you go in a great British cathedral (generally gothic - but there are exceptions like Durham) you get an oooooh spine tingling quality that is all too often absent elsewhere

    Eg I’ve just been in Siracusa’s cathedral - which is half built out of a Doric Greek temple ffs - yet it didn’t particularly move me. I find the same in Spanish French German cathedrals. Most but not all Italian cathedrals

    And this is despite the fact Britain is a much less religious culture

    Maybe it is the northern light? The accretion of time without revolutions? The patina?

    You DO get the same buzz in some Eastern European and Russian cathedrals - they can be intense

    Relative lack of Catholic Tat? Seville always gave me a degree of spiritual indigestion.
    Yes, that’s definitely part of it. Controversial take: Catholicism ruins a lot of great Catholic cathedrals

    In France it is often the revolution that is to blame. It swept away so much - it scraped away the patina of smoke and time and worship which makes a great moving cathedral

    Weirdly, Hagia Sophia DOES have that buzz despite being a museum for a century and now a mosque

    Ditto the orthodox churches of Greece. Some of them are seriously intense. Esp the monasteries of Mount athos. Omg
    Ironic that most of the cathedrals you mention were built as Catholic cathedrals.

    I feel the opposite to you. Having been brought up in Naples amidst fantastic baroque architecture and going to such churches every week for years, I find the spareness of Protestant churches weird - as if they are unfinished. Minimalism seems to me to be inhuman.There was something inhuman about the destruction of religious art during the Reformation; it damaged Britain's visual sense in a very profound way - from which it has never truly recovered.

    No, there is an austere beauty in Puritanism, which is why there was a massive popular demand for it. The focus though is not on architecture and idolatry, but rather the message and the collective of believers.

    Anglicanism is a British compromise to suppress the revolutionary doctrines and reimpose an aristocratic control of believers not very different to Catholicism.

    So yes of course there is less ornament, statuary, smells and spells in Protestant Churches. All that is seen as idolatry that is a misrepresentation of God.
    An absence of austere beauty characterised Puritanism. Selfish delusionism replaced such good things. At its heart was the abomination of Calvin's doctrine of double predestination. This is that the one God created two sorts of human, the ones who would necessarily be saved and those who would necessarily be damned. And there was nothing you could do to change it.

    'I am God's child and you are not' - which arises from Puritan doctrine, lies behind a lot of wickedness in this world.
    I'm not equipped for intense theological disputes, I don't think anyone really is (least of all theologians), but I had to read a lot about various sects and factions when studying about the Civil Wars period, and my vague understanding of predestination always struck me as incredibly offputting. The idea of everyone being able to achieve salvation if they do X or believe Y at least seems like an appealing, if convenient, message.
    In practice though the debate between freewill and predestination is a meaningless notion. No one can know what they are indeed predestined for, or what is the case for others, so the actions of the individual should not be any different. There is a similar debate now about genetic determinism and environmental influences. Or as a soldier might put it, somewhere there is a bullet with your name on it.

    It really doesn't matter.



  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News loses money. 350,000 is the total in a week. Individual programmes don’t get anywhere near that.
    But it loses money because so far it doesn't have a fleshed out monetisation strategy, not because it doesn't have enough viewers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2023

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
    You're making the mistake of assuming your prejudices are shared universally. The viewership of GBNews evidently don't believe that their presenting team are mentally ill as per your unappealing scoffing. It's aimed at a different audience to Unherd, and that's fine.
    I would be interested to know what viewership the loony ones get e.g the tin foil hatter that used to do Coast. I don't put somebody like Farage in that bucket, not my cup of tea, but he isn't a mentaler, he actually rather canny opetator in the want him to play, just like he was on LBC.

    Having the mentallers also getting them in trouble with Ofcom e.g Stein bloke & scaring off advetisers
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    Fox News get 3.9 million people a day watching it during prime viewing hours alone.

    See: https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wednesday-october-25-scoreboard-fox-news-draws-more-total-primetime-viewers-than-primary-competition/540651/

    I don't have total weekly reach numbers, but they are going to be in the 60 million range, not the 3 million range.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News loses money. 350,000 is the total in a week. Individual programmes don’t get anywhere near that.
    But it loses money because so far it doesn't have a fleshed out monetisation strategy, not because it doesn't have enough viewers.
    I think they will do better on monetization in the future, but they also don't get that many viewers.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
    Oh, GB News is gaining share; it's just doing it in the context of a very difficult industry. And it's also trying to manage a transition to on-line at the same time.
    You're no doubt right. To further clarify my point above, what I really mean rather than infomercials (prerecorded) is product demonstrations where the presenters speak to/interview a brand representative and the channel offers a direct route to buying the product.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
    Oh, GB News is gaining share; it's just doing it in the context of a very difficult industry. And it's also trying to manage a transition to on-line at the same time.
    It may be gaining share but is it gaining revenue and is it moving towards making a profit, or at least covering its costs ?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,039
    Taz said:
    Not surprising. Are the Muslims or the Commies going to vote Conservative? Clearly not.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
    Oh, GB News is gaining share; it's just doing it in the context of a very difficult industry. And it's also trying to manage a transition to on-line at the same time.
    You're no doubt right. To further clarify my point above, what I really mean rather than infomercials (prerecorded) is product demonstrations where the presenters speak to/interview a brand representative and the channel offers a direct route to buying the product.
    Can you do that on a News Channel with all the regulations about impartiality etc?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    GB News started off as a regular TV channel on Sky, etc., but as I understand it have pivoted to on-line first.

    They do OK on BARB viewing figures from a relative perspective, but pretty poorly from an absolute one. (Bear in mind that total live news viewing in the UK has fallen about 80% in the last six years, and is continuing to fall.)

    So, they've gained share this year, but at the same time monthly reach has dropped from 3.4m in May to 2.8m in September.

    (See: https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/)
    That's a great website. I do note that BBC News also recorded a fall (10m+ to 8m+) from May to September, so maybe people are just on holiday more or inclined to watch less news that month?

    I think what GBNews should do is infomercials using their own presenting team segued into their normal programming. The audience of GBNews has a lot of seniors, they may have bought from TV channels before. In terms of product, there's a healthy distrust of the state - they're a good audience for dietary supplements (as an example), and healthcare devices. Also potentially leisure products. Potentially homeware or even fashion.
    Oh, GB News is gaining share; it's just doing it in the context of a very difficult industry. And it's also trying to manage a transition to on-line at the same time.
    You're no doubt right. To further clarify my point above, what I really mean rather than infomercials (prerecorded) is product demonstrations where the presenters speak to/interview a brand representative and the channel offers a direct route to buying the product.
    Can you do that on a News Channel with all the regulations about impartiality etc?
    No idea!
  • Wonder how much the big dog is getting for whatever dogs breakfast he tries to wing last minute?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
    You're making the mistake of assuming your prejudices are shared universally. The viewership of GBNews evidently don't believe that their presenting team are mentally ill as per your unappealing scoffing. It's aimed at a different audience to Unherd, and that's fine.
    I would be interested to know what viewership the loony ones get e.g the tin foil hatter that used to do Coast. I don't put somebody like Farage in that bucket, not my cup of tea, but he isn't a mentaler, he actually rather canny opetator in the want him to play, just like he was on LBC.

    Having the mentallers also getting them in trouble with Ofcom e.g Stein bloke & scaring off advetisers
    Before they even started broadcasting the ‘stop funding hate’ nutters were on the case of prospective advertisers.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,751
    Fishing said:

    Taz said:
    Not surprising. Are the Muslims or the Commies going to vote Conservative? Clearly not.
    "Turn out, dear boy, turn out"
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Trump probably got more help from CBS under Les Moonves, than he did from Fox:
    'Leslie Moonves can appreciate a Donald Trump candidacy.

    Not that the CBS executive chairman and CEO might vote for the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.

    “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the presidential race.'
    source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464/

    Most other major network executives weren't as candid -- but followed similar policies.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
    You're making the mistake of assuming your prejudices are shared universally. The viewership of GBNews evidently don't believe that their presenting team are mentally ill as per your unappealing scoffing. It's aimed at a different audience to Unherd, and that's fine.
    I would be interested to know what viewership the loony ones get e.g the tin foil hatter that used to do Coast. I don't put somebody like Farage in that bucket, not my cup of tea, but he isn't a mentaler, he actually rather canny opetator in the want him to play, just like he was on LBC.

    Having the mentallers also getting them in trouble with Ofcom e.g Stein bloke & scaring off advetisers
    Personally I am more concerned with a highly politicised Ofcom and its attempts to censor the Internet than I am about anyone airing 'mental' views on GBNews.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    .

    Cyclefree said:

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. The lack of sympathy being displayed towards British Jews right now worries me a lot.

    Agreed. It's not just the lack of sympathy. It's the callous cruelty - tearing down posters, defacing them, threatening schools etc.,.

    I think some people enjoy being able to justify cruelty to a group they classify as "wrong" by claiming that they are just concerned with being kind to their favoured "in" group. In some cases, people only side with the "in" group precisely because it allows them to be horrible to Jews - while wrapped up in self-proclaimed virtue.

    It bodes very ill for our society. We can do nothing about what happens in the Middle East. But we can do something about how we treat a small, vulnerable and now fearful minority here - instead of grandstanding about abroad. That's what Starmer, what all our politicians should be judged on.
    You deserved more than 8 likes for this one.

    I've often thought there were relatively few liberals on pb - stodge, kle4, ydeouthr, rcs - but I'm more convinced of that now than ever.

    Lots of people who seem to talk a good game and claim to be fairly liberal but it seems as though they are mainly just Tory haters for whom issues like migration are just a weapon to beat the Tories with.
    It's Friday night, mate.
    You're assuming everyone's read it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    In societies that I admire, women (and children) are put in their proper place -- ahead of men. That is, to say the least, not a new idea, but one that requires restating from time to time.

    "Are put" is perhaps the problem with that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Trump probably got more help from CBS under Les Moonves, than he did from Fox:
    'Leslie Moonves can appreciate a Donald Trump candidacy.

    Not that the CBS executive chairman and CEO might vote for the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.

    “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the presidential race.'
    source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464/

    Most other major network executives weren't as candid -- but followed similar policies.

    My business is in Arizona. I hate election time; getting YouTube views is essentially impossible as we're priced out by election advertisments.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    I'm on Dean Philips at 380/1

    Hell, after the last few years in political world, why the hell not?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited October 2023

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    I honestly don't get the strategy. If they had hired say a roster of Nick Ferrari, Andrew Neil, maybe, but instead its a weird mix of Sky News / ITN "pros" and absolute f##ker loony tuners.

    Where as Paul Marshall also funds Unherd, which seems much more sensible business opportunity. Hire a couple of people with a good background, like Freddie Sayers, talk to a range of people at length, play devils advocate in a polite educated way, have a mix of well known people with some more controversial types, stick it all on YouTube / website. No massive outlay, build on the demand for long form content.
    You're making the mistake of assuming your prejudices are shared universally. The viewership of GBNews evidently don't believe that their presenting team are mentally ill as per your unappealing scoffing. It's aimed at a different audience to Unherd, and that's fine.
    I would be interested to know what viewership the loony ones get e.g the tin foil hatter that used to do Coast. I don't put somebody like Farage in that bucket, not my cup of tea, but he isn't a mentaler, he actually rather canny opetator in the want him to play, just like he was on LBC.

    Having the mentallers also getting them in trouble with Ofcom e.g Stein bloke & scaring off advetisers
    Personally I am more concerned with a highly politicised Ofcom and its attempts to censor the Internet than I am about anyone airing 'mental' views on GBNews.
    I would actually agree with that in part. GB News is aiming for a niche, and it's butting up against broadcasting regulations which some like and some don't (personally I think they're mostly needed), but I think the desire for and potential of mass censorship is something we need to err very much on the side of caution. Too easy to remove the stuff I do not approve of and odds are it is too easy to remove the stuff I do approve of as well. The acceptable line will be up for debate, but I'm not sure I trust regulators to make that call.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    Nigelb said:

    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.

    That is excellent news.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    GB News loses money. 350,000 is the total in a week. Individual programmes don’t get anywhere near that.
    But it loses money because so far it doesn't have a fleshed out monetisation strategy, not because it doesn't have enough viewers.
    I think they will do better on monetization in the future, but they also don't get that many viewers.
    The 1% of 'right-wing windowlickers with disposable income' market is hotly contested however.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Top 3

    We can be pleased with that given expectations for us at the start of the tournament
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.
  • Nigelb said:

    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.

    I must say I think Biden is right in investing in industrial development.

    The mentality that only wealth consumption should be subsidised has had profoundly dangerous economic and security consequences.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.

    That is excellent news.
    ARPA-E, conceived under Bush, and first funded by Obama, has been a huge success - spending relatively small amounts of money.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    That's about 4hrs of a cookery show on youtube. I know which I'd rather advertise on.
  • So for the last three weeks we saw an England rugby team take a comfortable lead and look good for a comfortable win only to end up desperately defending at the end.

    Twice successfully, once not so.

    But it does lead me to doubt some combo of their fitness, the quality of their replacements and their game plan.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Israeli Poll Finds 49% Support Holding Off on Gaza Ground Offensive
    Nearly half of all respondents believe Israeli should wait with its ground operation in Gaza, while just over a quarter believe the IDF should embark on the offensive immiediately
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-27/ty-article/israeli-poll-finds-49-support-holding-off-on-gaza-ground-offensive/0000018b-6faa-d1da-a1bb-6fba47b00000
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Lozza is no longer on GB News.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Not throwing away internal political capital on trying to protect a grifter like Paterson would have helped too.

    Ultimately he was brought down because his MPs felt he was demanding too much of them in defending all his scandals for the benefeit he would bring them. Many may well regret that now, since a rebrand has not worked, but better discipline on his part and he'd probably still be there.
  • rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    Fox News get 3.9 million people a day watching it during prime viewing hours alone.

    See: https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wednesday-october-25-scoreboard-fox-news-draws-more-total-primetime-viewers-than-primary-competition/540651/

    I don't have total weekly reach numbers, but they are going to be in the 60 million range, not the 3 million range.
    3.9m, assuming they're all in the USA, is the equivalent of less than an million in the UK.

    Does that really bring in enough revenue ?

    This is something which confuses me.

    In 1970s UK both ITV and BBC must have had millions of viewers continuously as there weren't any alternatives.

    So why weren't they awash with money as modern media companies are ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    rcs1000 said:

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Lozza is no longer on GB News.
    True. But the association is still hanging in the air. Lozza was on for months.
  • At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    And this is the Conservatives problem.

    They cannot solve their problems with a tax cut here or a policy initiative there because there problem is themselves.

    People aren't sick of Conservative policies they're sick of Conservative politicians.

    And ever more so with the endless revelations - Bone and Blunt this week.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    100,000 people watch Farage? Care in the community isn’t working.
    rcs1000 said:

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Lozza is no longer on GB News.
    Replaced by Bozo! How have the mighty fallen!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    More like a bad taste farce.

    Dominic Cummings’ ‘misogynistic’ messages seen by Covid inquiry, George Osborne says
    Former chancellor says WhatsApp messages between Boris Johnson and key advisers are ‘staggering’
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/27/dominic-cummings-misogynistic-messages-seen-by-covid-inquiry-george-osborne-says
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    NEW: Very unusual intervention from No10 on reshuffle speculation — to say
    @Jeremy_Hunt
    now safe until after March’s Budget.

    But they don’t say he will be the Chancellor at the next election…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    Nigelb said:

    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.

    Volvo Cars owned by Chinese Geely group
  • And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    I wouldn't.

    Getting up in the dark is too depressing.

    Especially when its pissing down and can't even see a proper sunrise.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    kamski said:

    Nigelb said:

    China's domination of rare earth markets is now a bit less important.

    Minneapolis-made magnet named among TIME’s Best Inventions of 2023
    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-made-magnet-named-among-times-best-inventions-of-2023
    ...In late 2022, the U.S. Department of Energy awarded Niron $17.5 million to ramp up production of the Clean Earth Magnet. Made from widely available iron and nitrogen, the product is the world's first powerful permanent magnet made free of rare-earth elements. Automaker Volvo has also signed on as a partner and provided funding.

    "Our magnet technology is powerful. And it's potentially even more powerful than the magnets that are available today commercially," Rowntree explained...


    The sort of government R&D funding the Republicans in Congress want to cut.

    Volvo Cars owned by Chinese Geely group
    I noticed that, too but so what ?
    This is a technology which is likely to be universally deployed if it lives up to the description. The significance lies in what it replaces.
  • Both ASDA and Tesco have launched new posh curry micro-meal ranges this week.

    People with money to spare or people cutting back on eating out or both ?

    Or perhaps people are less willing to go out in winter and so prepared to pay more on meals they eat at home ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Perhaps Jim was after all correct in positing an independent streak in the new Speaker. (Or perhaps it’s just posturing.)
    We will find out soon enough.

    JD Vance calls Speaker Johnson’s Ukraine remarks ‘concerning’
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4279457-j-d-vance-calls-speaker-johnsons-ukraine-remarks-concerning/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited October 2023

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    I don't care which one we pick, so long as we stay on it.

    Both ASDA and Tesco have launched new posh curry micro-meal ranges this week.

    People with money to spare or people cutting back on eating out or both ?

    Or perhaps people are less willing to go out in winter and so prepared to pay more on meals they eat at home ?

    The last one, I'd guess. And some such meals are actually really good, things have come a long way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    Although I think GB News does struggle for advertisers due to (misrepresentation) about what they actually are, but in reality getting 100k viewers for say Farage show is tiny audience. This is the fundamental problem compared to the controversial US outlets.

    Fox News and the likes say Daily Wire in the US are different kettle of fish, they get massive audiences, so advertisers are going to be much more willing to spend money, as there are millions of viewers, not 10ks viewers.
    I think that's absolutely spot on: the US market for this stuff is 20x bigger.

    And that's the fundamental problem that GB News has. Now, it may be that Paul Marshall (who I grant you is a friend of mine) will be willing to subsidize it indefinitely.

    But I am sceptical.
    GB news gets 350,000 viewers per week average and Fox news up to 3 million viewers a week so percentage wise of population not much different.

    Both get plenty of advertisers too

    Fox News get 3.9 million people a day watching it during prime viewing hours alone.

    See: https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wednesday-october-25-scoreboard-fox-news-draws-more-total-primetime-viewers-than-primary-competition/540651/

    I don't have total weekly reach numbers, but they are going to be in the 60 million range, not the 3 million range.
    Not if it is the same 3.9 million watching each night
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    And this is the Conservatives problem.

    They cannot solve their problems with a tax cut here or a policy initiative there because there problem is themselves.

    People aren't sick of Conservative policies they're sick of Conservative politicians.

    And ever more so with the endless revelations - Bone and Blunt this week.
    Indeed the Tory recovery doesn't depend on what the government does now or not but whether the likely incoming Labour government mucks the economy up or not
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    kle4 said:

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Not throwing away internal political capital on trying to protect a grifter like Paterson would have helped too.

    Ultimately he was brought down because his MPs felt he was demanding too much of them in defending all his scandals for the benefeit he would bring them. Many may well regret that now, since a rebrand has not worked, but better discipline on his part and he'd probably still be there.
    Does anyone know *why* he wasted so much political capital trying to save Paterson? I don't think they were big mates (does Boris even have any real friends?). Was it just because he thought after the 2019 Election he could just do whatever he wanted and never really thought that the rules applied to him?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    edited October 2023

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    CatMan said:

    kle4 said:

    At the end of the day, Johnson must know he could have been PM for another six years if he had not got pissed in No 10 during covid and then lied constantly about it for months.

    It is Shakespearean tragedy.

    Now he is on GB news along with Oliver and Lozza.

    Not throwing away internal political capital on trying to protect a grifter like Paterson would have helped too.

    Ultimately he was brought down because his MPs felt he was demanding too much of them in defending all his scandals for the benefeit he would bring them. Many may well regret that now, since a rebrand has not worked, but better discipline on his part and he'd probably still be there.
    Does anyone know *why* he wasted so much political capital trying to save Paterson? I don't think they were big mates (does Boris even have any real friends?). Was it just because he thought after the 2019 Election he could just do whatever he wanted and never really thought that the rules applied to him?
    One theory was that it was going to be used as a means to gut the standards regime (whatever its flaws, they certainly ignored what it actually was and did in complainaing about its processes), as a defensive measure for anything coming down the line for Boris himself.

    I'm not sure I buy that as he just lied brazenly about what the committee said and the process when it did come up (hint for outraged politicians everywhere, your story not being believed does not mean your point was ignored, and it isn't a court of law so things don't have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt).

    I suspect he was still riding relatively high, and when he was put under some pressure internally to help out Paterson he saw nothing wrong in what Paterson had done, felt bad for him about his wife, and assumed the rest of the party would weather any blowback fine.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ...
    Nigelb said:

    Perhaps Jim was after all correct in positing an independent streak in the new Speaker. (Or perhaps it’s just posturing.)
    We will find out soon enough.

    JD Vance calls Speaker Johnson’s Ukraine remarks ‘concerning’
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4279457-j-d-vance-calls-speaker-johnsons-ukraine-remarks-concerning/

    It's a bit confusing that another Johnson has risen to prominence.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Mick Ryan, AM
    @WarintheFuture
    ·
    2h
    The loss of internet connectivity is probably the clearest indicator that the Israeli military has moved beyond raids and into a larger-scale and more intense phase of ground combat against Hamas in Gaza.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    Perhaps Jim was after all correct in positing an independent streak in the new Speaker. (Or perhaps it’s just posturing.)
    We will find out soon enough.

    JD Vance calls Speaker Johnson’s Ukraine remarks ‘concerning’
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4279457-j-d-vance-calls-speaker-johnsons-ukraine-remarks-concerning/

    Do a majority of the caucus care enough about Ukraine to get him to agree to a vote on it, knowing it will incur the wrath of the Orange one? He can allow a vote but still vote against it himself I suppose.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    BREAKING: Thousands of Israeli soldiers have entered Gaza


    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1718030322737250382?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    BRACE
  • kle4 said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    I don't care which one we pick, so long as we stay on it.

    Both ASDA and Tesco have launched new posh curry micro-meal ranges this week.

    People with money to spare or people cutting back on eating out or both ?

    Or perhaps people are less willing to go out in winter and so prepared to pay more on meals they eat at home ?

    The last one, I'd guess. And some such meals are actually really good, things have come a long way.
    The micro-meal is underestimated as the basis of good cooking.

    Its easy, and cheap, to create tasty vegetable side dishes for it while it is the microwave.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    You know what, I'm not sure if the full context would help with this latest Elon-ism.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited October 2023
    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG
  • viewcode said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    "Yeah... not really."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    Settle down, Lt-General de Wiart.

    [de Wiart] served in the Boer War, First World War, and Second World War. He was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip, and ear; was blinded in his left eye; survived two plane crashes; tunnelled out of a prisoner-of-war camp; and tore off his own fingers when a doctor declined to amputate them. Describing his experiences in the First World War, he wrote, "Frankly, I had enjoyed the war."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Perhaps Jim was after all correct in positing an independent streak in the new Speaker. (Or perhaps it’s just posturing.)
    We will find out soon enough.

    JD Vance calls Speaker Johnson’s Ukraine remarks ‘concerning’
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4279457-j-d-vance-calls-speaker-johnsons-ukraine-remarks-concerning/

    Do a majority of the caucus care enough about Ukraine to get him to agree to a vote on it, knowing it will incur the wrath of the Orange one? He can allow a vote but still vote against it himself I suppose.
    I have no idea how this plays out.

    The Senate will vote for continuing aid; the House is unpredictable. There's almost certainly a majority in favour, but as you say, do those Republicans in favour care enough to break with the MAGA line ?

    Johnson himself has voted both for and against in the past.
  • Leon said:

    BREAKING: Thousands of Israeli soldiers have entered Gaza


    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1718030322737250382?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    BRACE

    Popcorn time...
  • Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    Not until I've spent all that money I've been putting into my pension funds.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    I'm still very optimistic about Western countries, despite everything. If there is another huge international war, I don't thing it'll affect us very much.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    A calming word from Pyongyang


    🇰🇵 URGENT - Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, warned live on state television that the world is on the threshold of a Third World War and that everyone should prepare. ( @LeDirectInfo )

    #KimJongun #TroisièmeGuerreMondiale #Israel #Palestine #Gaza

    https://x.com/media_express1/status/1718033950839304654?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Leon said:

    A calming word from Pyongyang


    🇰🇵 URGENT - Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, warned live on state television that the world is on the threshold of a Third World War and that everyone should prepare. ( @LeDirectInfo )

    #KimJongun #TroisièmeGuerreMondiale #Israel #Palestine #Gaza

    https://x.com/media_express1/status/1718033950839304654?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    What does Rocket Man see as his role in this forthcoming conflagration?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    You do realise that travel to lovely hotels that serve treble gins with exotic spices may be somewhat restricted when it all kicks off on Monday?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    viewcode said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    Do people like Darren Grimes not notice the darkness at the start of the day alleviated by the clocks going back? Certainly it was pretty gloomy at 7.30am today and I'm verymuch looking forward to it being rather less so next week. An earlier dusk seems to me an acceptable price to pay for being able to get up with the dawn for a little longer.

    Or maybe Darren Grimes is one of the special breed of idiot - they emerge every year - who think that the clocks going back means earlier evenings AND later mornings.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Labour councillor.

    Not clear to me which side she means...


    Owen Jones reposted
    Aydin Dikerdem
    @AydinDikerdem
    ·
    50m
    We are watching ethnic cleansing live on our screens and people are still trying to pretend this isn’t happening I want to scream
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    You do realise that travel to lovely hotels that serve treble gins with exotic spices may be somewhat restricted when it all kicks off on Monday?
    Meh, I’ll cope. I’ve seen the world. Perfect time to end it and start a new one
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    Do people like Darren Grimes not notice the darkness at the start of the day alleviated by the clocks going back? Certainly it was pretty gloomy at 7.30am today and I'm verymuch looking forward to it being rather less so next week. An earlier dusk seems to me an acceptable price to pay for being able to get up with the dawn for a little longer.

    Or maybe Darren Grimes is one of the special breed of idiot - they emerge every year - who think that the clocks going back means earlier evenings AND later mornings.
    Not everyone prefers that.
    Personally I'd rather get up in the dark and have a brighter evening.

    But it's not that big a deal.
    (Though I do like the idea that we compromise; move the clocks 30mins, and leave them there permanently.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    You do realise that travel to lovely hotels that serve treble gins with exotic spices may be somewhat restricted when it all kicks off on Monday?
    Meh, I’ll cope. I’ve seen the world. Perfect time to end it and start a new one
    You're rebranding as a war correspondent ?
  • There are more than a million orphaned children in Yemen.

    So I've been told by an advert on my YouTube feed.

    Where are the marches in London about this ?

    Or does it not matter when one lot of Middle Eastern Muslims, backed by Saudi Arabia, is fighting another set of Middle Eastern Muslims, backed by Iran ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    Do people like Darren Grimes not notice the darkness at the start of the day alleviated by the clocks going back? Certainly it was pretty gloomy at 7.30am today and I'm verymuch looking forward to it being rather less so next week. An earlier dusk seems to me an acceptable price to pay for being able to get up with the dawn for a little longer.

    Or maybe Darren Grimes is one of the special breed of idiot - they emerge every year - who think that the clocks going back means earlier evenings AND later mornings.
    No it feels different down south

    There we miss the evening light, we have to suffer dusk at 3.45pm so northerners can go to work in the cold vague greyness of dawn

    FFS you’re northerners. You’re meant to have a horrible time and be sardonic and gritty about it, this is what you’re for
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    Leon said:

    BREAKING: Thousands of Israeli soldiers have entered Gaza


    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1718030322737250382?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    BRACE

    Popcorn time...
    It feels almost like the end of Feb ‘20 when I started looking for good reasons not to go into the cities or to take public transport.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of GB News, it's clearly doing OK. Since it moved to being on-line first, it has dramatically increased its reach, and is clearly well ahead of other right of center UK channels on-line.

    With that said... it's not doing *that* well either.

    In total it has 1.07 million YouTube subscribers. That's... a lot less than Piers Morgan (1.92 million).

    And if you look at it's current live stream:



    It has - errrr - 222 people watching.

    It's most popular video yesterday was Jacob Rees-Mogg (71k views), followed by Nigel Farage with just 20k views.

    Those aren't amazing numbers. Some of my videos got 200+k views. And that was just me and a green screen. It is, presumably, absolutely hemorrhaging money.

    I'm glad you had such a Youtube success. I don't think GBNews is primarily a Youtube Channel.

    Their major issue is that advertisers (through politicised advisory panels within the industry) avoid right wing channels. Guido has also been affected by this. The Spectator does really well but it has a different model - subscriptions, magazine sales etc. They have an audience, the audience has money, they just need to work out a creative way of getting some of it.
    Fox News advertising revenues waves hello!

    Look, I'm a business guy, and I look to maximize my revenues by having adverts play where they have the most impact.

    All I care about is CAC-LTV spread.

    If what you say were true, I would be able to earn much better returns advertising on right wing networks than left wing ones. I have not found that to be the case.
    I missed this post. My point was that due to the interventions of groups like CAN: https://www.consciousadnetwork.com/about-us/, many advertisers are being discouraged from advertising with outlets like GBNews. If you're directing a marketing campaign and you're asked if you want to advertise on 'high risk' or similarly described outlets, you're likely to say no. Thus, GBNews loses potential advertisers. What this should mean is that advertising on GBNews ends up going cheap relative to its viewership, which would make them an attractive place to advertise if your product matches their audience, but I'm not sure that's how it works in practice.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,231
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Am I the only PB-er childishly excited by the thought of World War 3?

    Cmon. We’ve had a good run. Let’s go out with a BANG

    You do realise that travel to lovely hotels that serve treble gins with exotic spices may be somewhat restricted when it all kicks off on Monday?
    Meh, I’ll cope. I’ve seen the world. Perfect time to end it and start a new one
    If we properly go out with a bang, global mushroom clouds, complete extinction, then I’m kind of with you.

    I’m less interested in still being alive in a post-apocalyptic world. I quite like central heating, sushi, sunshine, things like that. Don’t really like bone-penetrating cold.
  • Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    And so, as every bloody October, it begins...


    Darren Grimes

    @darrengrimes_
    ·
    4h
    Clocks go back an hour this weekend, so we all get to enjoy the darkness that little bit more. It may have made sense in the past, but personally I’d quite like to stay on BST. Anyone else?

    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    And so it begins...
    Do people like Darren Grimes not notice the darkness at the start of the day alleviated by the clocks going back? Certainly it was pretty gloomy at 7.30am today and I'm verymuch looking forward to it being rather less so next week. An earlier dusk seems to me an acceptable price to pay for being able to get up with the dawn for a little longer.

    Or maybe Darren Grimes is one of the special breed of idiot - they emerge every year - who think that the clocks going back means earlier evenings AND later mornings.
    No it feels different down south

    There we miss the evening light, we have to suffer dusk at 3.45pm so northerners can go to work in the cold vague greyness of dawn

    FFS you’re northerners. You’re meant to have a horrible time and be sardonic and gritty about it, this is what you’re for
    One thing that Northerners can agree on is the satisfaction of upsetting Londoners.

    Although its difficult to imagine anyone enjoying some evening outdoors bar culture in the present weather.
  • Foss said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING: Thousands of Israeli soldiers have entered Gaza


    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1718030322737250382?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    BRACE

    Popcorn time...
    It feels almost like the end of Feb ‘20 when I started looking for good reasons not to go into the cities or to take public transport.
    I would liked to have seen the opening of Brent Cross West station...
  • Labour councillor.

    Not clear to me which side she means...


    Owen Jones reposted
    Aydin Dikerdem
    @AydinDikerdem
    ·
    50m
    We are watching ethnic cleansing live on our screens and people are still trying to pretend this isn’t happening I want to scream

    I wonder if he has a track record of protesting about the ethnic cleansing of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh or the Afro-Sudanese ?
  • stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    My favourite cathedral - Ripon. A beautiful cathedral, some decent places to eat and a racecourse - what more could anyone need?

    I know Hereford, Worcester and Salisbury can match it but I've always won money at Ripon, don't know why.

    Where do you feel god - even if you don't believe in god?#
    For me, two places.

    I had a walking holiday a few years ago in Scotland. A week walking, saw no living person. Walked the length of Loch Morar, and stopped at the Chapel of Inverbeg (I had to look up the name). Abandoned years ago after the clearances, on the shores of the loch.There was perhaps no human being within ten miles of me. https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30971

    When I was a teenager, I spent a summer with a French family, and we went to Les Baux en Provence. The ruins of the castle, home to troubadours, and then Cathars, was like a french version of Tintagel. Very, very special. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Château_des_Baux
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING: Thousands of Israeli soldiers have entered Gaza


    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1718030322737250382?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg

    BRACE

    Popcorn time...
    It feels almost like the end of Feb ‘20 when I started looking for good reasons not to go into the cities or to take public transport.
    I would liked to have seen the opening of Brent Cross West station...
    Poor, poor Borodin…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Increasingly official

    Urgent | Two US officials to CBS: There appears to be a rolling start to a ground invasion in Gaza by Israeli forces
This discussion has been closed.