They have no choice. I agree the overt religiosity is a real problem going forward though.
Well I'm Catholic and I have no problem with it. We've graciously allowed you to use the cathedral we built. I hope you're suitably grateful.
😀
To an increasing number of younger people religion is arcane. That can't be avoided. Inviting people of multiple faiths is not really a solution. I don't know what the answer is other than disestablishment.
Why does it need an answer?
If the Monarchy is not seen as relevant to the younger generation it's support will fade. I'm going to a wedding tomorrow. It is at a Country House. There will be no religious element. That is increasingly the case among the young now.
A loss of mystique would be more damaging than a loss of support.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
Exactly. And hotel weddings are much more fun. The ceremony takes around 20 minutes leaving far more time for dancing, drinking and carousing.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
They have no choice. I agree the overt religiosity is a real problem going forward though.
Well I'm Catholic and I have no problem with it. We've graciously allowed you to use the cathedral we built. I hope you're suitably grateful.
😀
To an increasing number of younger people religion is arcane. That can't be avoided. Inviting people of multiple faiths is not really a solution. I don't know what the answer is other than disestablishment.
Traditional religion may be.
But even a cursory glance at our society will show that the religious impulse - the desire to believe in something - all sorts of ideologies and belief systems- coupled with shunning of heretics and quasi priestly castes etc and mantras or catechisms - is alive and well.
Indeed it seems strongest amongst the young. The real issue is what these belief systems are and what vices and virtues they have. Railing against established religions rather misses asking these crucial (to me, anyway) questions.
"When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."
Indeed. I'm not arguing that organised religion has been replaced with enlightened reason. The young are full of ideology but it isn't really spiritual and I'm afraid the religious aspect - not all the other pageantry as such - will strike them as odd.
Inviting all the other religions simply re-enforces the suspicion that religion is being specially privileged.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
I'm watching World Superbike from Catalunya. Ducati have had their rev limit cut by 250rpm.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
Exactly. And hotel weddings are much more fun. The ceremony takes around 20 minutes leaving far more time for dancing, drinking and carousing.
I like the energy and mood change you get from moving between venues: serious and sombre in church, then the walk (ideally, or the trip in the rented bus) to the reception where there are drinks waiting.
What a remarkable and amazing story that Charles only got two A-levels - a B in History, and a C in French, and yet still got into Cambridge and then later became the actual Head of State.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Trust me, it’s very similar to drinking coffee in the rain, but without the benefit of coffee.
BREAKING: Fights break out in King's coronation crowds over umbrellas as miserable royal fans get soaked
Miserable royal fans have been left soaked this morning in Central London as tens of thousands of people descended on the city for the King's coronation. Fights have reportedly broken out in the crowds near Westminster Abbey as people were forced to put umbrellas up to shield them from the rain.
But this resulted in blocking people's view of the procession. A MyLondon reporter at the scene witnessed a number of 'scuffles' breaking out minutes before King Charles' procession was due to come past along the 1.4-mile route.
The less than ideal weather has not stopped Londoners and tourists alike from descending on The Mall to witness history, the first coronation since the late Queen Elizabeth II was crowned in 1953. But many royal fans have been left disappointed as the Mall has been closed off for well over two hours due to crowd control reasons.
Penny Mordaunt is really very stunning. Beautifully dressed and holds herself well. She has presence. It was noticeable at the ceremonies after HMQ died but is really on display today.
Penny Mordaunt is really very stunning. Beautifully dressed and holds herself well. She has presence. It was noticeable at the ceremonies after HMQ died but is really on display today.
Holding a great big sword is clearly good for the posture.
Penny Mordaunt is really very stunning. Beautifully dressed and holds herself well. She has presence. It was noticeable at the ceremonies after HMQ died but is really on display today.
Holding a great big sword is clearly good for the posture.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
PB is going to have a collective aneurism when Anfield boos the national anthem at 5:30.
I’m not sure they will actually. But if they do, it’ll just confirm what most of us think of them.
Want me to remind you of your posts from the evening of last year’s Champions League final and how wrong you were about Liverpool fans then?
Leon levels of wrong.
Nah, there were ticketless Liverpool fans there.
You are spinning for UEFA.
Furthermore, there was ‘no evidence’ to support the ‘reprehensible’ claims made by UEFA and the French authorities in the aftermath that masses of ticketless Liverpool fans attempting to gain illegal entry to the match were at fault.
‘Assertions regarding huge numbers of ticketless supporters, and those with fake tickets, have been wrongly inflated and have been stated as fact, to deflect responsibility for the planning and operational failures,’ the report reads.
Instead, the panel’s findings heap praise on fans who attended the game, saying that their behaviour significantly contributed to the narrow avoidance of a ‘mass fatality catastrophe.’
They have no choice. I agree the overt religiosity is a real problem going forward though.
Well I'm Catholic and I have no problem with it. We've graciously allowed you to use the cathedral we built. I hope you're suitably grateful.
😀
To an increasing number of younger people religion is arcane. That can't be avoided. Inviting people of multiple faiths is not really a solution. I don't know what the answer is other than disestablishment.
Why does it need an answer?
If the Monarchy is not seen as relevant to the younger generation it's support will fade. I'm going to a wedding tomorrow. It is at a Country House. There will be no religious element. That is increasingly the case among the young now.
I can think of very few young people who would be alienated by a friend having a religious wedding or funeral.
The relgiious side is a big part of what makes the coronation impressive.
Imagine a coronation ceremony being conducted by Keith Porteous Wood or Nicola Sturgeon.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
Exactly. And hotel weddings are much more fun. The ceremony takes around 20 minutes leaving far more time for dancing, drinking and carousing.
I like the energy and mood change you get from moving between venues: serious and sombre in church, then the walk (ideally, or the trip in the rented bus) to the reception where there are drinks waiting.
PB is going to have a collective aneurism when Anfield boos the national anthem at 5:30.
I’m not sure they will actually. But if they do, it’ll just confirm what most of us think of them.
Want me to remind you of your posts from the evening of last year’s Champions League final and how wrong you were about Liverpool fans then?
Leon levels of wrong.
Nah, there were ticketless Liverpool fans there.
You are spinning for UEFA.
Furthermore, there was ‘no evidence’ to support the ‘reprehensible’ claims made by UEFA and the French authorities in the aftermath that masses of ticketless Liverpool fans attempting to gain illegal entry to the match were at fault.
‘Assertions regarding huge numbers of ticketless supporters, and those with fake tickets, have been wrongly inflated and have been stated as fact, to deflect responsibility for the planning and operational failures,’ the report reads.
Instead, the panel’s findings heap praise on fans who attended the game, saying that their behaviour significantly contributed to the narrow avoidance of a ‘mass fatality catastrophe.’
They certainly look after their own. A shame many don't feel British.
I did. I struggled for a bit earlier in the week before I worked out that if I inserted the word "rightful" in the right place it would absolve me in case of a monarch going mad in situ. If I ever emigrate I'll have to pray for forgiveness and plead good cause.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
100 agree with this. If you are making solemn vows to someone that you intend to keep for the rest of your life, why would you do it while faking part of it, the doing it in front of god? I cannot understand how people do this.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
Republicanism is just so joyless, like listening to a six hour sermon on St. Kikda.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
100 agree with this. If you are making solemn vows to someone that you intend to keep for the rest of your life, why would you do it while faking part of it, the doing it in front of god? I cannot understand how people do this.
Well I did. Out of respect for my wife's wishes and her mother's wishes. Turned out to be a pretty good investment of my time, so far.
If you cut the length of the coronation down to 1 minute, pretty much everyone in the country could be king/queen/whatever the word is for a non-binary monarch.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
Sorry, I forgot you were the Queen of PB.
It's good to hear a female voice on here instead of males going on endlessly about Star Wars.
If you cut the length of the coronation down to 1 minute, pretty much everyone in the country could be king/queen/whatever the word is for a non-binary monarch.
This has suddenly reminded me of that bizarrely synchronistic thing of the very first person in England to get their Coronavirus vaccine being that chap from Stratford called William Shakespeare, who looked like William Shakespeare, for some reason.
Democratic but symbolic comprehensiveness, maybe that's the connection.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
100 agree with this. If you are making solemn vows to someone that you intend to keep for the rest of your life, why would you do it while faking part of it, the doing it in front of god? I cannot understand how people do this.
Well I did. Out of respect for my wife's wishes and her mother's wishes. Turned out to be a pretty good investment of my time, so far.
Same here. Catholic wedding but I was already an atheist by then. Didn’t bother me at all, and meant I got to choose the music for the choir.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
If you cut the length of the coronation down to 1 minute, pretty much everyone in the country could be king/queen/whatever the word is for a non-binary monarch.
This has suddenly reminded me of that bizarrely synchronistic thing of the very first person in England to get their Coronavirus vaccine being that chap from Stratford called William Shakespeare, who looked like William Shakespeare, for some reason.
Democratic but symbolic comprehensiveness, maybe that's the connection.
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
100 agree with this. If you are making solemn vows to someone that you intend to keep for the rest of your life, why would you do it while faking part of it, the doing it in front of god? I cannot understand how people do this.
It's the event. That is why people do it. I know loads who have done it. Even more bizarrely with christenings as well. We got married in a registry office, but made an event of it, but we didn't have any naming ceremony for our children which I regret. I would have felt hypocritical doing any of this in a church, but of course you don't have to. You can do it without a church, but some people want the full event even if they don't believe.
If you cut the length of the coronation down to 1 minute, pretty much everyone in the country could be king/queen/whatever the word is for a non-binary monarch.
This has suddenly reminded me of that bizarrely synchronistic thing of the very first person in England to get their Coronavirus vaccine being that chap from Stratford called William Shakespeare, who looked like William Shakespeare, for some reason.
Democratic but symbolic comprehensiveness, maybe that's the connection.
Second I think. And he’s now sadly deceased.
Ah I see - interestingly symbolic, though, considering how random it was. Or was Stratford and he chosen ?
There’s no way George is going to grow up believing in god.
It's an ancient ceremony?
Is everyone who has a wedding or a funeral devoutly religious? I think most people are able to separate their own personal faith (or lack of) with important ceremonys at the most important times in life.
I got married at a hotel, no religion whatsoever involved. Why have a church wedding if you don't believe in it?
100 agree with this. If you are making solemn vows to someone that you intend to keep for the rest of your life, why would you do it while faking part of it, the doing it in front of god? I cannot understand how people do this.
They have quite nice buildings. Tradition. Expectations.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
Sorry, I forgot you were the Queen of PB.
There has been in recent months a level of misogyny on show here that does not reflect well on this forum and the main reason I have been largely absent.
And most certainly will be again. Still good to see why institutions like the fire brigade suffer from their well attested problems.
What a pile of boring pious nonsense. Still, given the pisspoor weather in London today we can finally conclude that God is a catholic.
You really do not need to watch it you know
I’ve flicked over to SkySportsNews - one of the few places to avoid it, it would seem.
I've not seen a single second of it. I'm current drinking coffee in the rain, surveying a rain filled ditch. I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Oh get over yourself. We have to pay for fire brigades and police forces and other organisations which according to countless recent reports are full of sexists, racists and homophobes and actual criminals.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
Sorry, I forgot you were the Queen of PB.
There has been in recent months a level of misogyny on show here that does not reflect well on this forum and the main reason I have been largely absent.
And most certainly will be again. Still good to see why institutions like the fire brigade suffer from their well attested problems.
Penny Mordaunt is really very stunning. Beautifully dressed and holds herself well. She has presence. It was noticeable at the ceremonies after HMQ died but is really on display today.
She’s certainly carried it off with a lot more panache than Jacob Rees Mogg would have done!
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I get that it's a once in a lifetime show, historic pageant, blah, blah, blah, but it ain't nowt to do with me, I just pay for it 🤡
Inviting all the other religions simply re-enforces the suspicion that religion is being specially privileged.
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1654794788204339202?s=46
Leon levels of wrong.
It has to be remembered this is effectively a Church of England ceremony and has so many rituals
I have said many times I am ambivalent to the monarchy, but even with its faults I prefer it to a republic
And nobody does this better than we do and broadcast to a global audience
Miserable royal fans have been left soaked this morning in Central London as tens of thousands of people descended on the city for the King's coronation. Fights have reportedly broken out in the crowds near Westminster Abbey as people were forced to put umbrellas up to shield them from the rain.
But this resulted in blocking people's view of the procession. A MyLondon reporter at the scene witnessed a number of 'scuffles' breaking out minutes before King Charles' procession was due to come past along the 1.4-mile route.
The less than ideal weather has not stopped Londoners and tourists alike from descending on The Mall to witness history, the first coronation since the late Queen Elizabeth II was crowned in 1953. But many royal fans have been left disappointed as the Mall has been closed off for well over two hours due to crowd control reasons.
We don't even get any nice music or horses to compensate.
Furthermore, there was ‘no evidence’ to support the ‘reprehensible’ claims made by UEFA and the French authorities in the aftermath that masses of ticketless Liverpool fans attempting to gain illegal entry to the match were at fault.
‘Assertions regarding huge numbers of ticketless supporters, and those with fake tickets, have been wrongly inflated and have been stated as fact, to deflect responsibility for the planning and operational failures,’ the report reads.
Instead, the panel’s findings heap praise on fans who attended the game, saying that their behaviour significantly contributed to the narrow avoidance of a ‘mass fatality catastrophe.’
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
Democratic but symbolic comprehensiveness, maybe that's the connection.
This thread has abdicated
Not difficult to understand even if not for you.
And most certainly will be again. Still good to see why institutions like the fire brigade suffer from their well attested problems.