If I was Mordaunt I would be furious too. Going by the appointments, it's almost as if both Truss and then Sunak have tried to deliberately humiliate her, for being the most genuine threat to them in the contests.
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
We can’t rejoice until the corrupt sleazy filthy Tories are gone!
I think you get the partisan post of the year award there. I'll let you into a little secret that might make your brain cell explode. There are good people and bad people in all the main political parties. I know that is quite difficult for the terminally stupid to understand, but it is a fact.
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
Braverman is still there. 😱
Yea, in the same way that Angela Rayner is still on the Labour front bench.
The fact they’ve got so many retreads in does suggest they think the main problem for the last three years was Johnson which - firstly - must be hilariously crushing for the world emperor’s ego and secondly strikes me as somewhat optimistic.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
Absolutely. Some of us have been wanting free movement with the EU and more immigration from the rest of the world. But that doesn't seem to fit with Topping's preconceived ideas about Leavers so he would rather pretend we don't exist or that we have had some sort of Damascene conversion.
Bollocks Richard. Max (a leaver) just said he didn't want millions of Indians coming over here and his solution was to give those very same visas to the EU.
What's your solution?
Max is one person. He does not speak for the whole of the Leave movement any more than I do - or any more than you speak for all Remainers. You don't get to pigeon hole people just to fit your own pre-conceived bias. So I am afraid it is you who are talking bollocks.
Are you a fan of the visas for India?
I am a fan of both freedom of movement with the EU and more visas for India (and lots of other places). It has been my position - argued against all comers on here, both Leave and Remain supporters - since long before the EU referendum. I think immigration is good for this country and something to be encouraged. Always have done and, I hope, always will.
I think strong control of borders is good in so far as we need to filter those who intend to do us harm or commit criminal acts (one reason I don't like Schengen) but beyond that I would like to see a default position that people are encouraged to come and work and study here rather than pushed away.
So what you were really after was making it impossible for the British to live and work in 27 other countries. Though you were happy for them to come here. That sounds logical
(It sounds like one of those lunatic asylum jokes)
Penny is no doubt thinking how on earth Braverman can get a big role ahead of her. Politics is of course the answer. Still think likely someone will screw up in the future and a role will open up.
The fact they’ve got so many retreads retards in does suggest they think the main problem for the last three years was Johnson which - firstly - must be hilariously crushing for the world emperor’s ego and secondly strikes me as somewhat optimistic.
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
We can’t rejoice until the corrupt sleazy filthy Tories are gone!
I think you get the partisan post of the year award there. I'll let you into a little secret that might make your brain cell explode. There are good people and bad people in all the main political parties. I know that is quite difficult for the terminally stupid to understand, but it is a fact.
The tories have fucked up this country over the last 12 years in case you haven’t noticed. For that alone, they need to be and they will be turfed out.
Any good will I may off had for Sunak, has gone now, he has kept Braverman in post, truly vile woman
He hasn't even done that. Keeping her in post would have been fine. It's recalling her to the Cabinet as Home Secretary of all things that is the issue.
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
We can’t rejoice until the corrupt sleazy filthy Tories are gone!
I think you get the partisan post of the year award there. I'll let you into a little secret that might make your brain cell explode. There are good people and bad people in all the main political parties. I know that is quite difficult for the terminally stupid to understand, but it is a fact.
The tories have fucked up this country over the last 12 years in case you haven’t noticed. For that alone, they need to be and they will be turfed out.
12 years of Tory misrule!
The depth of your political and economic analysis is overwhelming. I am sure at some point you will be nominated for a Nobel Prize.
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
Braverman is still there. 😱
Yea, in the same way that Angela Rayner is still on the Labour front bench.
Are you comparing Rayner and Braverman? Seriously?
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
We can’t rejoice until the corrupt sleazy filthy Tories are gone!
I think you get the partisan post of the year award there. I'll let you into a little secret that might make your brain cell explode. There are good people and bad people in all the main political parties. I know that is quite difficult for the terminally stupid to understand, but it is a fact.
The tories have fucked up this country over the last 12 years in case you haven’t noticed. For that alone, they need to be and they will be turfed out.
12 years of Tory misrule!
The depth of your political and economic analysis is overwhelming. I am sure at some point you will be nominated for a Nobel Prize.
I think we should nominate Dominic Cummings for one.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
As Northern Al says we've got continuity Johnson/Truss. In fact worse. Al lest Truss had the bottle to sack her for her breach of the ministerial code.
I must admit I'd thought he'd be better than that
Total partisan rubbish. It is not continuity Johnson and Truss; that is as absurd as suggesting SKS was continuity Corbyn. It could be argued that overlooking Mordaunt was foolish, but who knows what has gone on in the background. All looks very promising to me. I wish the new PM good luck. He will need it.
The. Clown. is. Gone. Just rejoice!
Braverman is still there. 😱
Yea, in the same way that Angela Rayner is still on the Labour front bench.
Are you comparing Rayner and Braverman? Seriously?
In comparative ghastliness yes. Politically I think even you might notice they are somewhat different.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
Absolutely. Some of us have been wanting free movement with the EU and more immigration from the rest of the world. But that doesn't seem to fit with Topping's preconceived ideas about Leavers so he would rather pretend we don't exist or that we have had some sort of Damascene conversion.
Bollocks Richard. Max (a leaver) just said he didn't want millions of Indians coming over here and his solution was to give those very same visas to the EU.
What's your solution?
Max is one person. He does not speak for the whole of the Leave movement any more than I do - or any more than you speak for all Remainers. You don't get to pigeon hole people just to fit your own pre-conceived bias. So I am afraid it is you who are talking bollocks.
Are you a fan of the visas for India?
I am a fan of both freedom of movement with the EU and more visas for India (and lots of other places). It has been my position - argued against all comers on here, both Leave and Remain supporters - since long before the EU referendum. I think immigration is good for this country and something to be encouraged. Always have done and, I hope, always will.
I think strong control of borders is good in so far as we need to filter those who intend to do us harm or commit criminal acts (one reason I don't like Schengen) but beyond that I would like to see a default position that people are encouraged to come and work and study here rather than pushed away.
So what you were really after was making it impossible for the British to live and work in 27 other countries. Though you were happy for them to come here. That sounds logical
(It sounds like one of those lunatic asylum jokes)
If I remember correctly, Richard was an EEA or switzerland-style brexit advocate. That would have retained freedom of movement in both directions.
It was a bit of a snub when Truss put her there. I do hope that young Master Sunak keeps his petulance in check a bit better than this.
Otoh, although Truss & Sunak no doubt intended it as a slight, Leader of the House got Penny Mordaunt a starring role in the Queen to King handover, and sees her on Commons telly every week, which is more than most Secretaries of State.
To be fair it has been a Cabinet post under both Truss and Sunak so at least she gets the salary.
If I was Mordaunt I would be furious too. Going by the appointments, it's almost as if both Truss and then Sunak have tried to deliberately humiliate her, for being the most genuine threat to them in the contests.
She can always fall back on the comfort that she has better hair than him.....
Breaches of the ministerial code by Braverman. One for sending the documents to her email which she could then pass on to others and then she lied about when she sent them to the whips.
Sunaks integrity and accountability talk is garbage .
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
The name of this thread has aged very badly.
If Sunny was ruthless, he’d have double dealt Cruella, given her Minister for Fluffy Animals or some such.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
Absolutely. Some of us have been wanting free movement with the EU and more immigration from the rest of the world. But that doesn't seem to fit with Topping's preconceived ideas about Leavers so he would rather pretend we don't exist or that we have had some sort of Damascene conversion.
Bollocks Richard. Max (a leaver) just said he didn't want millions of Indians coming over here and his solution was to give those very same visas to the EU.
What's your solution?
Max is one person. He does not speak for the whole of the Leave movement any more than I do - or any more than you speak for all Remainers. You don't get to pigeon hole people just to fit your own pre-conceived bias. So I am afraid it is you who are talking bollocks.
Are you a fan of the visas for India?
I am a fan of both freedom of movement with the EU and more visas for India (and lots of other places). It has been my position - argued against all comers on here, both Leave and Remain supporters - since long before the EU referendum. I think immigration is good for this country and something to be encouraged. Always have done and, I hope, always will.
I think strong control of borders is good in so far as we need to filter those who intend to do us harm or commit criminal acts (one reason I don't like Schengen) but beyond that I would like to see a default position that people are encouraged to come and work and study here rather than pushed away.
So what you were really after was making it impossible for the British to live and work in 27 other countries. Though you were happy for them to come here. That sounds logical
(It sounds like one of those lunatic asylum jokes)
If I remember correctly, Richard was an EEA or switzerland-style brexit advocate. That would have retained freedom of movement in both directions.
Yep - both Richard and myself wanted to remove some of the politics but little else. Because if you want to produce things you really need to have easy exports to your closest neighbours and people are usually happy with white rather than non-white neighbours.
Personally the only problem I have with Indians is their tendency to have poor quality phone lines.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
The only method I can see in these appointments are that he is saying “most of these ministers have been in for a wasted month, they know their departments and we don’t have any more time to waste” but it gives him potentially quite a powerful position with the party wings - he’s said to the nutters “see I’ve made a broad church and left them in”, then he tells them what they are going to have to do and then if they fuck up he can sack them and can say to their groupings that he gave them the chance without being partisan and they messed up so can’t complain.
So each of these ministers, Cruella, not so cleverly, etc need to toe the line if they want to keep their positions and their wings keep their representation.
This could of course be bollocks and Sunak is an evil Bond villain.
A spineless set of appointments by Sunak . And with Braverman I can go back to utterly loathing the Tories . Fxck Sunak and his compassionate Conservative garbage .
"go back to"?
I briefly mellowed and then Sunak put the stain on humanity back as HS .
Well, you never seemed to stop using the phrase "stain on humanity", which says a damn sight more about you than her.
Why I’m not the one taking glee from shipping people to Rwanda with orgasmic joy . She’s a sociopath.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
We have a Home Sec.y who is a few sandwiches short of a picnic
A Deputy PM who is basically a hole in space and is not sure what Dover & Calais are about
Cleverly as Foreign Sec.
Grant "I know a few dodgy schemes" Shapps as Business Sec.y??
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
The only method I can see in these appointments are that he is saying “most of these ministers have been in for a wasted month, they know their departments and we don’t have any more time to waste” but it gives him potentially quite a powerful position with the party wings - he’s said to the nutters “see I’ve made a broad church and left them in”, then he tells them what they are going to have to do and then if they fuck up he can sack them and can say to their groupings that he gave them the chance without being partisan and they messed up so can’t complain.
So each of these ministers, Cruella, not so cleverly, etc need to toe the line if they want to keep their positions and their wings keep their representation.
This could of course be bollocks and Sunak is an evil Bond villain.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
Absolutely. Some of us have been wanting free movement with the EU and more immigration from the rest of the world. But that doesn't seem to fit with Topping's preconceived ideas about Leavers so he would rather pretend we don't exist or that we have had some sort of Damascene conversion.
Bollocks Richard. Max (a leaver) just said he didn't want millions of Indians coming over here and his solution was to give those very same visas to the EU.
What's your solution?
Max is one person. He does not speak for the whole of the Leave movement any more than I do - or any more than you speak for all Remainers. You don't get to pigeon hole people just to fit your own pre-conceived bias. So I am afraid it is you who are talking bollocks.
Are you a fan of the visas for India?
I am a fan of both freedom of movement with the EU and more visas for India (and lots of other places). It has been my position - argued against all comers on here, both Leave and Remain supporters - since long before the EU referendum. I think immigration is good for this country and something to be encouraged. Always have done and, I hope, always will.
I think strong control of borders is good in so far as we need to filter those who intend to do us harm or commit criminal acts (one reason I don't like Schengen) but beyond that I would like to see a default position that people are encouraged to come and work and study here rather than pushed away.
So what you were really after was making it impossible for the British to live and work in 27 other countries. Though you were happy for them to come here. That sounds logical
(It sounds like one of those lunatic asylum jokes)
If I remember correctly, Richard was an EEA or switzerland-style brexit advocate. That would have retained freedom of movement in both directions.
The circle that needs to be squared - immigration, but not to the point of creating wage deflation in various low skilled jobs.
Due to the world wide shortage of skills, unlimited immigration of doctors will not cause doctors wages to fall, for example
If the GE is in 2024, surely we need to look at this Cabinet as the transitional phase before a reshuffle next year to put team in place for the GE.
So it's one step at a time.
Yeah its stabilise party unity, recover in the polls then unleash the GE team and plan. Reshuffle just before conference
Braverman appointment has to have been part of the deal for her to back Sunak when Johnson withdrew
It is pure politics but you are correct to say that this cabinet has been chosen to stabilise party unity and the opposition will concentrate on Braverman but next weeks budget statement will capture the narrative going forward
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
The Labour Party must be breathing such huge sighs of relief.
I doubt it. I suspect they will be doing what many of their supporters on here are doing and desperately trying attack lines that will be received with cheers from their core supporters, but where most real people will go; "really?"
I think the Labour Party have good reason to be worried. They will be tempted to underestimate Sunak in the same way as idiots in the Tory Party underestimated Starmer. It is going to be an interesting couple of years, but a blessed contrast to the past few - the grown-ups are now back in charge of both major parties. For that we should all rejoice (in spite of the Braverman appointment)
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
A spineless set of appointments by Sunak . And with Braverman I can go back to utterly loathing the Tories . Fxck Sunak and his compassionate Conservative garbage .
"go back to"?
I briefly mellowed and then Sunak put the stain on humanity back as HS .
Well, you never seemed to stop using the phrase "stain on humanity", which says a damn sight more about you than her.
Why I’m not the one taking glee from shipping people to Rwanda with orgasmic joy . She’s a sociopath.
"orgasmic joy"? Give me a break.
Why . She clearly loves the idea of others misery . Anyone who made those comments she made at the Tory conference is clearly a disgusting human being.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Can someone fill me in on why Cleverly is being mocked? Hes not had any great gaffes or failures has he? Is it just a 'hes tories innit' thing?
Hasn't he mastered the reverse ferret? An essential skill in a Foreign Sec?
Isn’t the suggestion that he and the NI team are close to a deal on the protocol? I assumed that was a reason to keep him/them. I’m sure Baker stays to sell it to the ERG.
A spineless set of appointments by Sunak . And with Braverman I can go back to utterly loathing the Tories . Fxck Sunak and his compassionate Conservative garbage .
"go back to"?
I briefly mellowed and then Sunak put the stain on humanity back as HS .
Well, you never seemed to stop using the phrase "stain on humanity", which says a damn sight more about you than her.
Why I’m not the one taking glee from shipping people to Rwanda with orgasmic joy . She’s a sociopath.
"orgasmic joy"? Give me a break.
Why . She clearly loves the idea of others misery . Anyone who made those comments she made at the Tory conference is clearly a disgusting human being.
I don't think she is particularly pleasant, but I think you might be indulging in rather a lot of hysterical hyperbole.
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(It sounds like one of those lunatic asylum jokes)
It's true, and it's alarming.
Soddit.
12 years of Tory misrule!
Given his integrity is as smelly as a dog's business, I suppose there is a certain logic to that.
Well, a No Bell Prize, anyway.
Quite.
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
So it's one step at a time.
Bit of a theme really. Braverman the exception.
No side parting for our Penny!
Sunaks integrity and accountability talk is garbage .
If Sunny was ruthless, he’d have double dealt Cruella, given her Minister for Fluffy Animals or some such.
Reshuffle just before conference
I was hoping for Gove. Did a good job there before but left without having to progress it.
Personally the only problem I have with Indians is their tendency to have poor quality phone lines.
So each of these ministers, Cruella, not so cleverly, etc need to toe the line if they want to keep their positions and their wings keep their representation.
This could of course be bollocks and Sunak is an evil Bond villain.
We all know nothing is actually going to happen in practice.
Suppose Betfair opened the market:
Will a single person be deported from UK to Rwanda in next five years? Odds would be Yes 1000, No 1.01.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63374080
A Deputy PM who is basically a hole in space and is not sure what Dover & Calais are about
Cleverly as Foreign Sec.
Grant "I know a few dodgy schemes" Shapps as Business Sec.y??
Their simplistic populist solutions leave them twisting in the wind.
@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention (Red Wall):
LAB: 56% (-5)
CON: 28% (+7)
LDM: 8% (+3)
REF: 5% (-3)
GRN: 2% (-1)
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, 24-25 October,
Changes w/ 16-17 October.
SBLOTS.
Due to the world wide shortage of skills, unlimited immigration of doctors will not cause doctors wages to fall, for example
It is pure politics but you are correct to say that this cabinet has been chosen to stabilise party unity and the opposition will concentrate on Braverman but next weeks budget statement will capture the narrative going forward
There's no good way to spin it.
US meat will look pristine compared to our soon-to-be junkie animals
I think the Labour Party have good reason to be worried. They will be tempted to underestimate Sunak in the same way as idiots in the Tory Party underestimated Starmer. It is going to be an interesting couple of years, but a blessed contrast to the past few - the grown-ups are now back in charge of both major parties. For that we should all rejoice (in spite of the Braverman appointment)
Is it just a 'hes tories innit' thing?
Seems about average in the Education Secretary uselessness stakes.
My arse.