(1) Enhanced French security on channel coast (2) Agree British/French drone patrols/ intelligence sharing (3) Agree that any boats intercepted by UK can get towed straight back to Calais (4) Agree a joint British/French asylum processing centre in the Pas-de-Calais (5) Agree we will take 10-20k vulnerable migrants pa (only those that haven't been trafficked/are legit) (6) UK/France jointly help deport the rest back to wherever they came from, or anywhere frankly (7) UK/France both help jointly navy patrol the Med & tackle the problem at MENA source (8) Bung 'em some money...
Tories would jump up 5% in the polls within weeks.
Having migrant centres near France's borders is wildly popular there. It is French government policy (as it is in Switzerland and Norway) to encourage migrants to self deport.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
Well exactly. Ninety percent of people probably neither know nor care who the Home Secretary is, let alone what they do.
PM and Chancellor, that's probably about it for general knowledge. Unless there's a "character" in the position as when Johnson was FS, for example. Or they've hung around for so long they're part of the furniture.
When was the last time a party lost an election because the HS was a bit shit. Or a bit divisive? Answers on a postcard to a PO Box in Rwanda.
But for Michael Howard surely 97 would have been a 500 seat Tory landslide??
Fresh from my Truss winnings I’m going to invest some of them on the Sunak out before the GE markets.
If there is another contest, Boris is will definitely win. He will find that prospect utterly irresistible. So unless his career is finished by the committee, it’s not a bad shout. He has form.
I agree that if another contest does arise, the existing parliamentary party (in utter desperation) will probably roll the dice on him once more.
So knowing that, the question is then is Johnson (and his supporters) self centred enough to help precipitate a situation where Sunak resigns and Boris is invited to save the day.
This site is very good at convincing itself that its consensus is (or will be) the national consensus.
I think Sunak will be quite warmly welcomed and, based on the fundamentals around the number of seats Starmer needs to win, could win the next election or certainly deny Labour a majority and be ready to pick up the pieces of a minority Labour Government.
Not an outcome I want, because 14 years is already too much for any party, but one I think is more likely than many price in.
People who follow politics closely also tend to overestimate how much people care about cabinet appointments. Most voters have never heard of Suella Braverman.
until Spitting Image goes back on network TV getting 10m viewers cabinet ministers will barely register with the public. unless there is a sex scandal.
Fresh from my Truss winnings I’m going to invest some of them on the Sunak out before the GE markets.
There is a big difference here. Sunak was backed by the vast majority of MPs. That in itself insulates him from threats. Because to remove him forces MPs to admit they were wrong. Very different to blaming the members after an election where the leader was opposed by a majority of MPs. In fact that is one of the big flaws in the Tory leadership rules. Really as a minimum they should have allowed for an indicative vote between the final two.
May of course had majority support. But then she fought an election which reset the clock.
This site is very good at convincing itself that its consensus is (or will be) the national consensus.
I think Sunak will be quite warmly welcomed and, based on the fundamentals around the number of seats Starmer needs to win, could win the next election or certainly deny Labour a majority and be ready to pick up the pieces of a minority Labour Government.
Not an outcome I want, because 14 years is already too much for any party, but one I think is more likely than many price in.
You are quite right about this site.
For a real insight into what people think you need to check in to order-order.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
The thing that makes a difference are unity, a sense of purpose, party management, and being able to advocate for the government in public. That and not causing a massive crisis in your department.
These are all reasons why having a good [shadow] Cabinet team are important, and so the details can matter.
And Sunak appears to pass these criteria. His failing is on people not liking one, some or all of them. The electorate will postpone judgement until they see what happens i suspect
It would be inconceivable that Sunak hasn't come up with a decent line that he feels confident will hold against the Braverman previous resignation issue. If he didn't he surely would have at least found her a different post than the Home Office.
This site is very good at convincing itself that its consensus is (or will be) the national consensus.
I think Sunak will be quite warmly welcomed and, based on the fundamentals around the number of seats Starmer needs to win, could win the next election or certainly deny Labour a majority and be ready to pick up the pieces of a minority Labour Government.
Not an outcome I want, because 14 years is already too much for any party, but one I think is more likely than many price in.
People who follow politics closely also tend to overestimate how much people care about cabinet appointments. Most voters have never heard of Suella Braverman.
until Spitting Image goes back on network TV getting 10m viewers cabinet ministers will barely register with the public. unless there is a sex scandal.
Not helped by the fact they aren't in post long. A year makes you a grizzled veteran. One thing we really need back from the Coalition days, is continuity in Office.
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At least the markets are reacting more positively than I am. The pounds about 5c up from its lows against the dollar, which will certainly help with inflation.
Albeit to really bring inflation under control it needs to get to somewhere near $1.30.
The Braverman appointment placates the Right and shows that Sunak really intends to tackle unwanted migration
That is infuriates a bunch of liberals, who fear and loathe the Tories anyway, is a useful byproduct
It is also a sign that Sunak is weak. Because he is. He has not won an election. He has not even won a membership vote or an official vote of MPs
He needs to advance with caution. I can see him leading the Tories to respectable defeat, which is an improvement on total annihilation under Truss
Right. That’s my beef jerky and Pepsi break over, here in the Arizona desert. Onwards to Phoenix!
I think, charitably, he was trying to avoid the Trussian “sweep into office like a bull in a China shop” feeling. He’s kept most senior people in their roles (or reappointed them), the changes have largely been at the junior end.
I completely understand the Braverman appointment, I just don’t think at the end of the day it is smart politics because it becomes the story - and the story should be “stability, constancy, unity”. If he needed to bring her back to cabinet as a campaign pledge, she should have been given a more junior role (bashing the BBC at Culture or something) and then depending on events she could have worked her way back up.
Indeed. A known security risk as Home Secretary, who was sacked from the same job last week.
Counter factual question? If Sunak knifes Suella and gives her some rubbish job, what horrible outcome befalls him? I reckon he could ride it out, if he had any cojones.
Fresh from my Truss winnings I’m going to invest some of them on the Sunak out before the GE markets.
There is a big difference here. Sunak was backed by the vast majority of MPs. That in itself insulates him from threats. Because to remove him forces MPs to admit they were wrong. Very different to blaming the members after an election where the leader was opposed by a majority of MPs. In fact that is one of the big flaws in the Tory leadership rules. Really as a minimum they should have allowed for an indicative vote between the final two.
May of course had majority support. But then she fought an election which reset the clock.
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
Well exactly. Ninety percent of people probably neither know nor care who the Home Secretary is, let alone what they do.
PM and Chancellor, that's probably about it for general knowledge. Unless there's a "character" in the position as when Johnson was FS, for example. Or they've hung around for so long they're part of the furniture.
When was the last time a party lost an election because the HS was a bit shit. Or a bit divisive? Answers on a postcard to a PO Box in Rwanda.
It's not about the HS per se. It is about the ability to portray Sunak's government as the same old corrupt, self serving Tories as we had under Truss and Johnson. It is a simple line to repeat and I expect Labour to do so. Braverman provides an easy example to make if required.
The next election will be decided, as always, on who does the least harm to voters' finances. Or whether they have better teeth or hair than the alternative. Labour focussing on an email is not going to do them any good especially when, and it has been stated on this site, it's all about the COL.
So Sunak can/may/will sort the col, things may turn out much better than the doomsters predict and Labour can bang-on about an email. Like Corbyn banged on about his "NHS privatisation" document. Bring it on. And then a tidy majority for Sunak in 2024.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
OT But I'm quite pissed Ford is stopping production of the Focus and Fiesta, going for SUVs only.
I hate this trend of massive cars. We aren't the US, you don't need one and our streets aren't built for them. The German's have a good word - Wankpanzers
If I remember correctly, is it not because Ford basically doesn't make any money making these small cars. They are incredibly reliant on the F-150 as the big driver of profitability.
I suspect Ford are heading towards another existential crisis.
If they're abandoning the excellent Fiesta for their revolting outsize SUVs they bloody deserve it.
That's nearly as dumb as making Braverman HS.
My fiesta is so good. 1.0l ecoboost is great.
I can get 4 mountaineers, wetsuits, tents, bikes and everything into/on it. I might go up to a Focus next time if I get a dog.
THey're dropping that as well, which is a shame because the modern Focus was a brilliant car. You'll have to have a Puma.
You can have any size you like, as long as it’s big.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Why were they running the story on a wolf? Was it on French Fox News?
Forgive my spelling!
You didn't respond to the Danes I notice
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda. Credit: Erich Jacobi/ Wikimedia Commons CC BY-SA 4.0 Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
It is worth noting that the two programmes (the UK and Danish) are very different.
The Danes are establishing an off-shore processing facility in Rwanda, where claims will be assessed, and then either granted or denied.
The Brits have done a deal with Rwanda, where Rwanda will accept people *as* asylum seekers that the UK sends.
So, imagine a genuine asylum seeker called Mohammed from Afghanistan (who for the purposes of this discussion, had been a big backer of the previous US supported regime, and is now out of favour with the Taliban).
If he goes to Denmark, he can be sent to Rwanda, where his asylum request is processed by Danish officials. In the event that it is approved, he will return to Denmark.
In the case of the UK, in the event that Mohammed's asylum application is just valid, then he can be shipped off to Rwanda, as it is them who are offering him asylum.
I thoroughly approve of the Danish system, while having significant qualms about the UK one.
It would be inconceivable that Sunak hasn't come up with a decent line that he feels confident will hold against the Braverman previous resignation issue. If he didn't he surely would have at least found her a different post than the Home Office.
“She made a mistake, held her hands up and resigned. That shows the integrity I want in my government. She deserves a second chance” or some such guff, I expect.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
'The scale and nature of unfunded tax cuts were clearly too much for the markets to bear. The work of correcting this, stabilsing and developing future growth has already begun with the markets responding positively and will accelerate with the budget announcement on October 31st'
The Danes have set up a processing centre in Rwanda where Danish officials process claims of Asylum in Denmark. That is wholly different to the Braverman-Patel pact where we deport to Rwanda and nobody processes them and they cannot claim asylum in the UK.
Not remotely the same and posters implying it is should know better.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Why were they running the story on a wolf? Was it on French Fox News?
Forgive my spelling!
You didn't respond to the Danes I notice
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda. Credit: Erich Jacobi/ Wikimedia Commons CC BY-SA 4.0 Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
It is worth noting that the two programmes (the UK and Danish) are very different.
The Danes are establishing an off-shore processing facility in Rwanda, where claims will be assessed, and then either granted or denied.
The Brits have done a deal with Rwanda, where Rwanda will accept people *as* asylum seekers that the UK sends.
So, imagine a genuine asylum seeker called Mohammed from Afghanistan (who for the purposes of this discussion, had been a big backer of the previous US supported regime, and is now out of favour with the Taliban).
If he goes to Denmark, he can be sent to Rwanda, where his asylum request is processed by Danish officials. In the event that it is approved, he will return to Denmark.
In the case of the UK, in the event that Mohammed's asylum application is just valid, then he can be shipped off to Rwanda, as it is them who are offering him asylum.
I thoroughly approve of the Danish system, while having significant qualms about the UK one.
Like any right thinking person. The only point being wrt your preference is that of course the processing centre might as well be in Hartlepool.
Re: Braverman. If she's got any intelligence and nous she will surely recognise that she's been given a massive life - and that in itself might cause her to reign herself in a bit in future and approach the role in a bit more considered way. She also will know that the civil service in her department can kill her if she steps too far out of line. They've done it once, and they'll be able to do it again.
The more I watch the day unfold the more I feel that Sunak will implode and a serious movement to REJOIN the EU will take root. Even Lamont(able) said Rishi who is 'marvellous' had to deal with the ill effects of Brexit.
He missed out 'self inflicted'. That Brexit is at the centre of our problems is now common currency. People are looking for scapegoats. This idea that this is an international problem is losing traction.
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
Bizarre line of argument. If the Danes do a Rwanda-type thing, I don't like it, but it's irrelevant to what we do.
It's like arguing that if we brought back capital punishment, that would be okay because they still do that in the USA and several other places.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
'There is always room for and chances to do better in constantly seeking to deliver for the British people. Given his party has had to suspend the whip on 3 people in the last 2 months its something im sure he understands very well. We must all do better.'
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
As others have explained, it's not the same policy, even though it includes the words "asylum" and "Rwanda".
The government are doing the best they can to trick you. Aren't you bothered by this?
Re: Braverman. If she's got any intelligence and nous she will surely recognise that she's been given a massive life - and that in itself might cause her to reign herself in a bit in future and approach the role in a bit more considered way. She also will know that the civil service in her department can kill her if she steps too far out of line. They've done it once, and they'll be able to do it again.
Rein herself in, please. We don't want Braverman reigning, do we?
Re: Braverman. If she's got any intelligence and nous she will surely recognise that she's been given a massive life - and that in itself might cause her to reign herself in a bit in future and approach the role in a bit more considered way. She also will know that the civil service in her department can kill her if she steps too far out of line. They've done it once, and they'll be able to do it again.
Rein herself in, please. We don't want Braverman reigning, do we?
Williamson might be too talented for this lot. I had hopes that Sunak would sideline the loons, but the loons seem to have a firm grip on Sunak instead.
On topic, if the Tories are still below 30% in 12 months' time Sunak might find his position coming under pressure.
If they're around 30% in twelve months, they will have done well.
Have you had a look at where they are now? I've heard people talking politics in places and ways one seldom has before. The damage the Party has suffered goes deep.
I'm sticking to my view that with a very fair wind Sunak might give the Tories about 250 seats at the next election, but it could easily be a lot less. They are walking on very, very thin ice.
The Danes have set up a processing centre in Rwanda where Danish officials process claims of Asylum in Denmark. That is wholly different to the Braverman-Patel pact where we deport to Rwanda and nobody processes them and they cannot claim asylum in the UK.
Not remotely the same and posters implying it is should know better.
The Danish PM has said she wants Denmark to accept zero asylum seekers.
I rather think we could have done with reverting to having an Attorney General appointed from the Lords. The post has become far too political in recent years.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
'There is always room for and chances to do better in constantly seeking to deliver for the British people. Given his party has had to suspend the whip on 3 people in the last 2 months its something im sure he understands very well. We must all do better.'
Four days for a resignation security breach! That’s quite a u turn. I thought integrity mattered to you. Any other u turns planned. How about bankers bonuses. Are they staying?
This site is very good at convincing itself that its consensus is (or will be) the national consensus.
I think Sunak will be quite warmly welcomed and, based on the fundamentals around the number of seats Starmer needs to win, could win the next election or certainly deny Labour a majority and be ready to pick up the pieces of a minority Labour Government.
Not an outcome I want, because 14 years is already too much for any party, but one I think is more likely than many price in.
You are quite right about this site.
For a real insight into what people think you need to check in to order-order.
If you do, have a sick bag handy.
I read some of those comments once. Never again. When something makes the mail online look moderate there’s an issue.
Fortunately we have polling to determine what people think. As someone said above, the parties are behind the curve on immigration for example. It’s not a concern any more. Stupid, nasty policies like our Rwanda nonsense won’t even win votes.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
Bizarre line of argument. If the Danes do a Rwanda-type thing, I don't like it, but it's irrelevant to what we do.
It's like arguing that if we brought back capital punishment, that would be okay because they still do that in the USA and several other places.
The point is the UK is not unique in Europe at looking at Rwanda as part of their solutions thought I accept as @rcs1000 says they are not identical
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
As others have explained, it's not the same policy, even though it includes the words "asylum" and "Rwanda".
The government are doing the best they can to trick you. Aren't you bothered by this?
It's a fair point, but seriously, how many people who vociferously call out the policy actually know much about what it involves, beyond the words "asylum" and "Rwanda"?
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
When I was in France a few weeks ago they were virtually running Braverman's boast about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda on a loup. Do you really think our international reputation is of so little importance it's worth losing it as long as we piss of Guardian reading lefties?
Are they also talking about the Danes?
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda
September 12, 2022
Denmark to Send Immigrants to Rwanda.
Rather than allowing immigrants to live in Denmark, they will be sent to Rwanda, where Danish officials will manage their asylum cases.
In a joint declaration on bilateral cooperation, the two nations stated that they were “exploring the establishment of a program through which spontaneous asylum seekers arriving in Denmark may be transferred to Rwanda for consideration of their asylum applications.”
The statement added that it would also offer “the option of settling in Rwanda.” The declaration was made public on the website of the Danish Ministry of Immigration and Integration.
The fact that Rwanda now explicitly indicates that it wishes to receive Danish asylum seekers takes the collaboration agreement beyond the two nations’ prior announcement of a partnership arrangement in 2021.
Denmark‘s intention to construct an offshore or “third-country” refugee center was discussed in earlier statements in more general terms.
Kaare Dybvad Bek and Flemming Miller Mortensen, Danish foreign development and immigration ministers, are currently in Rwanda, where they conducted a news conference on Friday to announce the new deal.
The ruling Social Democratic Party has long expressed a desire to establish an offshore asylum center. The Danish Foreign Ministry has declared the opening of a local office in Kigali, where two of the ministry’s diplomats would be stationed beginning later this year.
Maybe they've always seen the UK as a bastion of a civilised society? Maybe they're just pointing out what happens when a hard right wing govenment leaves the EU. I can only guess.
They are implementing the same policy and not a word of condemnation is pure hypocrisy by you
As others have explained, it's not the same policy, even though it includes the words "asylum" and "Rwanda".
The government are doing the best they can to trick you. Aren't you bothered by this?
It isn't remotely the same policy. At all. Big_G isn't listening to the detail. But will do soon and will have to accept why the Danish policy fine and ours makes us international pariahs.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
Well exactly. Ninety percent of people probably neither know nor care who the Home Secretary is, let alone what they do.
PM and Chancellor, that's probably about it for general knowledge. Unless there's a "character" in the position as when Johnson was FS, for example. Or they've hung around for so long they're part of the furniture.
When was the last time a party lost an election because the HS was a bit shit. Or a bit divisive? Answers on a postcard to a PO Box in Rwanda.
Grayling was shadow HS when the tories failed to win in 2010
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I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
'The scale and nature of unfunded tax cuts were clearly too much for the markets to bear. The work of correcting this, stabilsing and developing future growth has already begun with the markets responding positively and will accelerate with the budget announcement on October 31st'
So the prime minister supports the work of Liz Truss. Then follow up with current funding gap or bankers bonuses.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
'There is always room for and chances to do better in constantly seeking to deliver for the British people. Given his party has had to suspend the whip on 3 people in the last 2 months its something im sure he understands very well. We must all do better.'
Four days for a resignation security breach! That’s quite a u turn. Any other I turns planned. How about bankers bonuses. Are they staying?
'The fiscal statement is on October 31st, he will receive advance copy as per the usual convention'
On topic, if the Tories are still below 30% in 12 months' time Sunak might find his position coming under pressure.
If they're around 30% in twelve months, they will have done well.
Have you had a look at where they are now? I've heard people talking politics in places and ways one seldom has before. The damage the Party has suffered goes deep.
I'm sticking to my view that with a very fair wind Sunak might give the Tories about 250 seats at the next election, but it could easily be a lot less. They are walking on very, very thin ice.
Yes, I think that's about right. The economic situation would be dire for any party in government, let alone one that has been so chaotic and reckless with the public finances. Sunak will no doubt steady things, but he's not a great politician, and of course has plenty of baggage. The Tories' best hope is that Labour doesn't quite convince.
Entirely unasked for or desired, but I have had a look at the new Cabinet. Despite the return of some old favourites and thus parliamentary experience, the presence of youthful figures including Rishi himself means the average age is only a little up from Truss's Cabinet, and the mix of newbies and oldies who have never been in Cabinet (like Harper - Chief Whip attends but is not in - and Davis means the average time to get into Cabinet is near identical.
The regional breakdown is very similar, dominated by East and South East, with a smattering for the other regions of England, with the North East the big losers, and Wales a winner in actually having a Welsh Secretary representing a Welsh constituency.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
Well exactly. Ninety percent of people probably neither know nor care who the Home Secretary is, let alone what they do.
PM and Chancellor, that's probably about it for general knowledge. Unless there's a "character" in the position as when Johnson was FS, for example. Or they've hung around for so long they're part of the furniture.
When was the last time a party lost an election because the HS was a bit shit. Or a bit divisive? Answers on a postcard to a PO Box in Rwanda.
Grayling was shadow HS when the tories failed to win in 2010
An he was the reason the Tories only gained 96 seats in that election, ousted Labour after 13 years and formed the next government?
Slightly ironic given he represents a constituency with only one railway station and not a single dual carriageway road (the M50 from Hartpury to Gorsley goes through the constituency but the road junctions are all in Herefordshire).
He's not stupid, but he's never had an executive cabinet role before. Will be interesting to see how he copes.
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
I would not have appointed her but I have already commented on the likely way it happened and it is quite obviously controversial
I will be very interested in the exchanges between Starmer and Sunak tomorrow on this subject
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
'The scale and nature of unfunded tax cuts were clearly too much for the markets to bear. The work of correcting this, stabilsing and developing future growth has already begun with the markets responding positively and will accelerate with the budget announcement on October 31st'
So the prime minister supports the work of Liz Truss. Then follow up with current funding gap or bankers bonuses.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
'There is always room for and chances to do better in constantly seeking to deliver for the British people. Given his party has had to suspend the whip on 3 people in the last 2 months its something im sure he understands very well. We must all do better.'
Four days for a resignation security breach! That’s quite a u turn. Any other I turns planned. How about bankers bonuses. Are they staying?
'The fiscal statement is on October 31st, he will receive advance copy as per the usual convention'
More unanswered questions. Same old faces. Same old problems. Same old Tories.
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
So she breached intentionally as part of a political game, when she could have just resigned over policy, which most people believed to be the case anyway?
It's costing us quite a lot of money not to send people to Rwanda. It's a dismal failure of a policy.
And I disagree with those on here who justify it because it pisses off the Left. I'm pretty confident that there's several million centrist voters who also think the policy is an abomination.
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
I suppose they can't make it much worse than it was already.
But then, we thought that with Star Wars and they gave us The Rise of Skywalker.
Disney are very proud of having distilled their brand vision down to a single word. That word is "safety".
Really? I would have said 'shit' more aptly described their current output.
They are innovative. The latest Star Wars trilogy involved three consecutive films all from what might as well have been entirely different sequel trilogies. You have to be impressed at that level of commitment to deliberately not telling a cohesive story.
It's costing us quite a lot of money not to send people to Rwanda. It's a dismal failure of a policy.
And I disagree with those on here who justify it because it pisses off the Left. I'm pretty confident that there's several million centrist voters who also think the policy is an abomination.
This is, I think, at the heart of the Tory dilemma. Their window has shifted so far right that the centre right are now seen as Lefty Wokerati.
The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
Suella Braverman did not mistakenly leak a meaningless document. She endlessly consulted a maverick. She deliberately emailed a policy doc not yet agreed to her pvt email. Then she sent it to John Hayes and someone she thought was his wife. Then lied to PM about when it was sent
Slightly ironic given he represents a constituency with only one railway station and not a single dual carriageway road (the M50 from Hartpury to Gorsley goes through the constituency but the road junctions are all in Herefordshire).
He's not stupid, but he's never had an executive cabinet role before. Will be interesting to see how he copes.
Being Chief Whip could be good training for dealing with the Rail Unions.
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
I suppose they can't make it much worse than it was already.
But then, we thought that with Star Wars and they gave us The Rise of Skywalker.
Disney are very proud of having distilled their brand vision down to a single word. That word is "safety".
Really? I would have said 'shit' more aptly described their current output.
They are innovative. The latest Star Wars trilogy involved three consecutive films all from what might as well have been entirely different sequel trilogies. You have to be impressed at that level of commitment to deliberately not telling a cohesive story.
Yes.
And two of them were shit, and the other was just a not very good remake.
It's costing us quite a lot of money not to send people to Rwanda. It's a dismal failure of a policy.
And I disagree with those on here who justify it because it pisses off the Left. I'm pretty confident that there's several million centrist voters who also think the policy is an abomination.
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
The breach was manufactured? You mean Braverman didn't send official information out from her private email? So she lied in her resignation letter?
The more I watch the day unfold the more I feel that Sunak will implode and a serious movement to REJOIN the EU will take root. Even Lamont(able) said Rishi who is 'marvellous' had to deal with the ill effects of Brexit.
He missed out 'self inflicted'. That Brexit is at the centre of our problems is now common currency. People are looking for scapegoats. This idea that this is an international problem is losing traction.
Are our European peers facing the same level of economic pain we are? I know everyone has problems, but are ours much worse than everyone else’s? And if they are, will that cut through? And what will be blamed?
I mean, I’ll blame Brexit, but that’s just me. But if we are obviously doing much worse than France, Germany and the rest, what will be the excuse from Brexiters?
Is it likely that we are going to suffer worse than than our continental cousins? Or are we all going to be pretty equal in the pain we’ll experience over the coming months?
Entirely unasked for or desired, but I have had a look at the new Cabinet. Despite the return of some old favourites and thus parliamentary experience, the presence of youthful figures including Rishi himself means the average age is only a little up from Truss's Cabinet, and the mix of newbies and oldies who have never been in Cabinet (like Harper - Chief Whip attends but is not in - and Davis means the average time to get into Cabinet is near identical...........
Good analysis.
Cabinet has 23 members so you are missing two.
I think they are Sharma and Lord True whose roles are unchanged (Sharma's has changed a bit).
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
I suppose they can't make it much worse than it was already.
But then, we thought that with Star Wars and they gave us The Rise of Skywalker.
Disney are very proud of having distilled their brand vision down to a single word. That word is "safety".
Really? I would have said 'shit' more aptly described their current output.
They are innovative. The latest Star Wars trilogy involved three consecutive films all from what might as well have been entirely different sequel trilogies. You have to be impressed at that level of commitment to deliberately not telling a cohesive story.
Yes.
And two of them were shit, and the other was just a not very good remake.
...I liked them just fine. The last was the least good.
As I say in the piece, there is no sense that Sunak is on the left of the party. He is not a wet. On the contrary, in so many ways he’s firmly on its right. Dry as dust economically. Ardent Brexiter. Supporter of the Rwanda policy etc. In that sense Cabinet choices not a surprise
Instead it’s part of a longer trajectory of Conservative politics. Sunak has two competing objectives. Present a sense that “grown ups are back.” And balance the party. Sunak has calculated that the best way of achieving both objectives is to restore much of Johnson’s Cabinet.
That might prove to be a mistake. A fresher, more technocratic cabinet might have augmented the sense of real change. Sunak is gambling you can do Johnsonian politics without Johnson’s personality, plus austerity, uniting fiscal conservatism and cultural right. Big question mark.
The cabinet does make me realise though - crikey, do they need a bit of time to recharge and restock in opposition. The lack of talent on display here is pretty telling.
I will give them Hunt, Gove, Wallace, Badenoch and Penny. Beyond that, there’s nobody of any great skill and/or substance.
The more I watch the day unfold the more I feel that Sunak will implode and a serious movement to REJOIN the EU will take root. Even Lamont(able) said Rishi who is 'marvellous' had to deal with the ill effects of Brexit.
He missed out 'self inflicted'. That Brexit is at the centre of our problems is now common currency. People are looking for scapegoats. This idea that this is an international problem is losing traction.
So Sunak's going to be a great success and the EU has about 15 months to go.
Well, I'm surprised, but there we are. I was surprised when Truss blew herself up like that as well.
The more I watch the day unfold the more I feel that Sunak will implode and a serious movement to REJOIN the EU will take root. Even Lamont(able) said Rishi who is 'marvellous' had to deal with the ill effects of Brexit.
He missed out 'self inflicted'. That Brexit is at the centre of our problems is now common currency. People are looking for scapegoats. This idea that this is an international problem is losing traction.
Are our European peers facing the same level of economic pain we are? I know everyone has problems, but are ours much worse than everyone else’s? And if they are, will that cut through? And what will be blamed?
I mean, I’ll blame Brexit, but that’s just me. But if we are obviously doing much worse than France, Germany and the rest, what will be the excuse from Brexiters?
Is it likely that we are going to suffer worse than than our continental cousins? Or are we all going to be pretty equal in the pain we’ll experience over the coming months?
Well Brexit probably hasn't helped some of them either!
Entirely unasked for or desired, but I have had a look at the new Cabinet. Despite the return of some old favourites and thus parliamentary experience, the presence of youthful figures including Rishi himself means the average age is only a little up from Truss's Cabinet, and the mix of newbies and oldies who have never been in Cabinet (like Harper - Chief Whip attends but is not in - and Davis means the average time to get into Cabinet is near identical...........
Good analysis.
Cabinet has 23 members so you are missing two.
I think they are Sharma and Lord True whose roles are unchanged
COP26 Chair is no longer a Cabinet post, and I left out the Lords Leader when I did it for Truss, on the basis I was looking at experience as an MP only.
We seem to be putting a huge amount of stock in who is Home Secretary or at Defra or whatever Did Merlyn Rees or Kenneth Baker swing a lot of votes in 79 or 92?
Well exactly. Ninety percent of people probably neither know nor care who the Home Secretary is, let alone what they do.
PM and Chancellor, that's probably about it for general knowledge. Unless there's a "character" in the position as when Johnson was FS, for example. Or they've hung around for so long they're part of the furniture.
When was the last time a party lost an election because the HS was a bit shit. Or a bit divisive? Answers on a postcard to a PO Box in Rwanda.
It's not about the HS per se. It is about the ability to portray Sunak's government as the same old corrupt, self serving Tories as we had under Truss and Johnson. It is a simple line to repeat and I expect Labour to do so. Braverman provides an easy example to make if required.
The next election will be decided, as always, on who does the least harm to voters' finances. Or whether they have better teeth or hair than the alternative. Labour focussing on an email is not going to do them any good especially when, and it has been stated on this site, it's all about the COL.
So Sunak can/may/will sort the col, things may turn out much better than the doomsters predict and Labour can bang-on about an email. Like Corbyn banged on about his "NHS privatisation" document. Bring it on. And then a tidy majority for Sunak in 2024.
I fear that Labour may be stupid enough to focus on the detail rather than the general mood music of same old incompetent Tories who take your hard earned money and protect their mates. But I hope not. And Sunak has set the landscape fair for that attack.
Just for the record, any PBers who think Suella should have been reappointed please say so now
I wouldnt pick her as shes far too waspish but given her resignation was plainly contrived after a screaming match about immigration i see no 'issue' with it. The 'breach' was manufactured to precipitate resignation and defenestration imo
The breach was manufactured? You mean Braverman didn't send official information out from her private email? So she lied in her resignation letter?
A breach is a breach.
Manufactured as in she did send it, then reported herself and "took the consequences". Laughable, but those around her acted like it actually meant something
You mean she resigned, but didn't want to do so in a way where she could have been accused of "stabbing the leader in the back"?
Entirely unasked for or desired, but I have had a look at the new Cabinet. Despite the return of some old favourites and thus parliamentary experience, the presence of youthful figures including Rishi himself means the average age is only a little up from Truss's Cabinet, and the mix of newbies and oldies who have never been in Cabinet (like Harper - Chief Whip attends but is not in - and Davis means the average time to get into Cabinet is near identical...........
Good analysis.
Cabinet has 23 members so you are missing two.
I think they are Sharma and Lord True whose roles are unchanged
COP26 Chair is no longer a Cabinet post, and I left out the Lords Leader when I did it for Truss, on the basis I was looking at experience as an MP only.
OK, but there are always 23 so there will be someone else if it's not Sharma.
The Rt Hon Johnny Mercer MP @JohnnyMercerUK has been appointed a Minister of State (Minister for Veterans’ Affairs) in the Cabinet Office @CabinetOfficeUK.
Spent the day in and around Dunkeld. It is the perfect tiny Scottish city. Well kept and spruce whitewashed buildings interspersed with Scottish baronial; enticing little shops and cafes; a ruined cathedral, the record of the obligatory visit by Queen Victoria; the hills steep around the town aflame with Autumn; deer galloping through the fields. And the Tay. Muscular, broad and fast: not the longest river in these islands, but, I think, the one with the highest volume of water, and it shows. It roars through the town, beneath the handsome Thomas Telford bridge. Then in the afternoon forced the family up Birnam Hill. Not one of the highest hills in Scotland, but it doesn't need to be. Tolkeinesque. You felt you could meet a column of dwarves coming the other way. The intensity of the orange of the hillside, offset by the three bright blobs of colour of my daughters careening madly down the path in front of us, to the soundtrack of utter silence, was a strange sort of sensory overload.
Dunkeld was the fortress of the Caledonians; an ancient Pictish town, the capital (inasmuch as that meant anything, and no doubt one among many) of Fortriu (after Fortriu had grown from its core around the Moray, and before the Picts vanished beneath the Vikings and Scots). And - particularly now, in the rush of Autumn gold - it still feels like the heart of a mystical kingdom.
Perthshire is far richer in things to do and see than the four days we have allows. Blair Castle and the Enchanted Forest tomorrow, for which I have someone on this board (possibly @DavidL or @Fairliered ?) to thank for recommending some months back.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
'The scale and nature of unfunded tax cuts were clearly too much for the markets to bear. The work of correcting this, stabilsing and developing future growth has already begun with the markets responding positively and will accelerate with the budget announcement on October 31st'
So the prime minister supports the work of Liz Truss. Then follow up with current funding gap or bankers bonuses.
I have to admit for the first time in weeks I am looking forward to PMQ's tomorrow
Aww, bless. “Prime Minister you said mistakes were made, what were they?”
As short and precise as that should absolutely be the first question.
I don't think Sunak would find it too difficult to answer that. And it would hardly be embarrassing to expand. I mean FFS the Tories have just kicked out a leader after 45 days!!! Everyone knows that mistakes were made.
Perhaps you then follow up with the mistake Braverman made that caused her to resign (which now doesn’t matter apparently) or ask if any mistakes were made on Boris’ watch. There are many rich seams to mine here.
'There is always room for and chances to do better in constantly seeking to deliver for the British people. Given his party has had to suspend the whip on 3 people in the last 2 months its something im sure he understands very well. We must all do better.'
Four days for a resignation security breach! That’s quite a u turn. Any other I turns planned. How about bankers bonuses. Are they staying?
'The fiscal statement is on October 31st, he will receive advance copy as per the usual convention'
More unanswered questions. Same old faces. Same old problems. Same old Tories.
Same old soundbites. Does he have a question or was he just intending to bloviate for column inches?
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Good luck Rishi old chap.
But.
Suppose he doesn't get clobbered by the Standards investigation. (Big if).
And the Conservatives are still in trouble, polling-wise, in January 2024. (Not that big an if, given the economic projections).
The siren call is going to be deafening.
May of course had majority support. But then she fought an election which reset the clock.
For a real insight into what people think you need to check in to order-order.
If you do, have a sick bag handy.
Transport hmm not sure
https://www.smh.com.au/national/vomitous-and-terrifying-the-lifeboats-used-to-turn-back-asylum-seekers-20140301-33t6s.html
One thing we really need back from the Coalition days, is continuity in Office.
The BBC and Disney Branded Television - two giants of entertainment - have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise for UK audiences and the rest of the world.
Under a shared creative vision, they will deliver this quintessentially British show to future generations on an unprecedented scale with Disney+ as the exclusive home for new seasons of Doctor Who outside the UK and Ireland.
The announcement – which was made this morning by the next Doctor Who, Ncuti Gatwa, during an appearance on Live with Kelly and Ryan - begins a new collaboration between BBC and Disney Branded Television.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/doctor-who-bbc-and-disney-branded-television
Albeit to really bring inflation under control it needs to get to somewhere near $1.30.
Truss: "what the fuck just happened?"
Counter factual question? If Sunak knifes Suella and gives her some rubbish job, what horrible outcome befalls him? I reckon he could ride it out, if he had any cojones.
But then, we thought that with Star Wars and they gave us The Rise of Skywalker.
So Sunak can/may/will sort the col, things may turn out much better than the doomsters predict and Labour can bang-on about an email. Like Corbyn banged on about his "NHS privatisation" document. Bring it on. And then a tidy majority for Sunak in 2024.
The Danes are establishing an off-shore processing facility in Rwanda, where claims will be assessed, and then either granted or denied.
The Brits have done a deal with Rwanda, where Rwanda will accept people *as* asylum seekers that the UK sends.
So, imagine a genuine asylum seeker called Mohammed from Afghanistan (who for the purposes of this discussion, had been a big backer of the previous US supported regime, and is now out of favour with the Taliban).
If he goes to Denmark, he can be sent to Rwanda, where his asylum request is processed by Danish officials. In the event that it is approved, he will return to Denmark.
In the case of the UK, in the event that Mohammed's asylum application is just valid, then he can be shipped off to Rwanda, as it is them who are offering him asylum.
I thoroughly approve of the Danish system, while having significant qualms about the UK one.
Not remotely the same and posters implying it is should know better.
The improvement over what we have had for so long is immeasurable.
He missed out 'self inflicted'. That Brexit is at the centre of our problems is now common currency. People are looking for scapegoats. This idea that this is an international problem is losing traction.
It's like arguing that if we brought back capital punishment, that would be okay because they still do that in the USA and several other places.
The government are doing the best they can to trick you. Aren't you bothered by this?
Have you had a look at where they are now? I've heard people talking politics in places and ways one seldom has before. The damage the Party has suffered goes deep.
I'm sticking to my view that with a very fair wind Sunak might give the Tories about 250 seats at the next election, but it could easily be a lot less. They are walking on very, very thin ice.
Good for Labour.
Fortunately we have polling to determine what people think. As someone said above, the parties are behind the curve on immigration for example. It’s not a concern any more. Stupid, nasty policies like our Rwanda nonsense won’t even win votes.
That's another sensible person in the Cabinet.
The regional breakdown is very similar, dominated by East and South East, with a smattering for the other regions of England, with the North East the big losers, and Wales a winner in actually having a Welsh Secretary representing a Welsh constituency.
He's not stupid, but he's never had an executive cabinet role before. Will be interesting to see how he copes.
I will be very interested in the exchanges between Starmer and Sunak tomorrow on this subject
So she is a liar and unprincipled to boot?
And I disagree with those on here who justify it because it pisses off the Left. I'm pretty confident that there's several million centrist voters who also think the policy is an abomination.
(Attends Cabinet, not full member)
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1584939423703396352/photo/1
And two of them were shit, and the other was just a not very good remake.
A breach is a breach.
I mean, I’ll blame Brexit, but that’s just me. But if we are obviously doing much worse than France, Germany and the rest, what will be the excuse from Brexiters?
Is it likely that we are going to suffer worse than than our continental cousins? Or are we all going to be pretty equal in the pain we’ll experience over the coming months?
Er, shouldn’t you reserve judgement beyond eight hours?
Cabinet has 23 members so you are missing two.
I think they are Sharma and Lord True whose roles are unchanged (Sharma's has changed a bit).
Instead it’s part of a longer trajectory of Conservative politics. Sunak has two competing objectives. Present a sense that “grown ups are back.” And balance the party. Sunak has calculated that the best way of achieving both objectives is to restore much of Johnson’s Cabinet.
That might prove to be a mistake. A fresher, more technocratic cabinet might have augmented the sense of real change. Sunak is gambling you can do Johnsonian politics without Johnson’s personality, plus austerity, uniting fiscal conservatism and cultural right. Big question mark.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1584975322931335169
Stride isn't bad.
Well, I'm surprised, but there we are. I was surprised when Truss blew herself up like that as well.
He will attend Cabinet.
#Reshuffle https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1584981124681728001/photo/1
Spent the day in and around Dunkeld. It is the perfect tiny Scottish city. Well kept and spruce whitewashed buildings interspersed with Scottish baronial; enticing little shops and cafes; a ruined cathedral, the record of the obligatory visit by Queen Victoria; the hills steep around the town aflame with Autumn; deer galloping through the fields. And the Tay. Muscular, broad and fast: not the longest river in these islands, but, I think, the one with the highest volume of water, and it shows. It roars through the town, beneath the handsome Thomas Telford bridge.
Then in the afternoon forced the family up Birnam Hill. Not one of the highest hills in Scotland, but it doesn't need to be. Tolkeinesque. You felt you could meet a column of dwarves coming the other way. The intensity of the orange of the hillside, offset by the three bright blobs of colour of my daughters careening madly down the path in front of us, to the soundtrack of utter silence, was a strange sort of sensory overload.
Dunkeld was the fortress of the Caledonians; an ancient Pictish town, the capital (inasmuch as that meant anything, and no doubt one among many) of Fortriu (after Fortriu had grown from its core around the Moray, and before the Picts vanished beneath the Vikings and Scots). And - particularly now, in the rush of Autumn gold - it still feels like the heart of a mystical kingdom.
Perthshire is far richer in things to do and see than the four days we have allows. Blair Castle and the Enchanted Forest tomorrow, for which I have someone on this board (possibly @DavidL or @Fairliered ?) to thank for recommending some months back.