The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
The fact they’ve got so many retreads in does suggest they think the main problem for the last three years was Johnson which - firstly - must be hilariously crushing for the world emperor’s ego and secondly strikes me as somewhat optimistic.
Seems about average in the Education Secretary uselessness stakes.
She is fairly centre-right, bit Cameroon. comes across OK on the interview shows. But right down near the 600s on the ranking of hardest working constituency MPs.
Can someone fill me in on why Cleverly is being mocked? Hes not had any great gaffes or failures has he? Is it just a 'hes tories innit' thing?
He did have a few embarrassing moments trying to defend particularly shameless Boris scandals, but he's not been senior enough for long enough to do anything major, and he has personality at least.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Yes, because it's the cost of doing business. If, as it seems, Rishi gave his word in order to get Braverman'a backing then he can't go back on that, he'd have 90-100 MPs openly rebelling from day 0.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
Surely Braverman is just about sending a message about being "tough on immigration".
We all know nothing is actually going to happen in practice.
Suppose Betfair opened the market:
Will a single person be deported from UK to Rwanda in next five years? Odds would be Yes 1000, No 1.01.
What's annoying is that there are some very sensible things we can be doing - such as building processing centres offshore - and which won't happen because we're obsessing about whether or not we can send people to Rwanda.
Julian Smith to Northern Ireland would be one appropriate reappointment from the May years… surely Sunak will get this one right…
I don't know how Chris is getting on.
These things can sometimes be a surprise.
Actually, thinking about it, Smith was of course NI Secretary for Boris until he got the boot for doubting that a no deal Brexit would be great for NI…. He was Chief Whip for May
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
Can someone fill me in on why Cleverly is being mocked? Hes not had any great gaffes or failures has he? Is it just a 'hes tories innit' thing?
He says daft things in interviews. No one knows if he actually believes them. This sort of thing (scroll down for the list) Comical Ali sort of comments....
Labour would be well advised not to mention Braverman's swivel-eyed lunacy (as that is her appeal) and just focus on the sacking, incompetence, and her being Continuity Truss.
Surely Braverman is just about sending a message about being "tough on immigration".
We all know nothing is actually going to happen in practice.
Suppose Betfair opened the market:
Will a single person be deported from UK to Rwanda in next five years? Odds would be Yes 1000, No 1.01.
What's annoying is that there are some very sensible things we can be doing - such as building processing centres offshore - and which won't happen because we're obsessing about whether or not we can send people to Rwanda.
The evidence is that our new Home Secretary is the one who obsesses.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
Surely Braverman is just about sending a message about being "tough on immigration".
We all know nothing is actually going to happen in practice.
Suppose Betfair opened the market:
Will a single person be deported from UK to Rwanda in next five years? Odds would be Yes 1000, No 1.01.
What's annoying is that there are some very sensible things we can be doing - such as building processing centres offshore - and which won't happen because we're obsessing about whether or not we can send people to Rwanda.
Could fix immigration in about 1 hour of Parliamentry time. The policy might well make a profit in the short term as well. Also would involve being nice to the actual immigrants.
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
I was considering voting Conservative again. I won't, as long as Braverman is home secretary. She's a swivel-eyed loon.
Compared to the Cabinet we had a couple of weeks ago it's a huge improvement.
In: Sunak, Hunt, Gove, Stride. That's four major changes and massive improvements - that's what the public will notice. Then in the 2nd tier Keegan and hopefully one or two others.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
You miss the point
When Johnson stood down his 102 votes became available and Braverman being the darling of the right came out for Sunak ensuring the vast majority of Johnson's votes went to Sunak thereby eliminating Mordaunt and confirming Sunak's coronation today
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
Be fair. Instead of keeping 3 seats at the next election, they will likely keep 150 now. A big improvement for the Tories.
Labour would be well advised not to mention Braverman's swivel-eyed lunacy (as that is her appeal) and just focus on the sacking, incompetence, and her being Continuity Truss.
Yep. It’s a simple line.
Why have you reappointed a known security risk as Home Secretary?
Gove and Schapps are the smart appointments. Hunt was untouchable. The rest are either signs of weakness or a demonstration of just how little talent there now is in the Parliamentary Conservative party.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
I think you underestimate the swivel-eyed loons. The membership are seething. They already rejected Sunak.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
Er. It’s an open goal for Labour.
A known security risk reappointed Home Secretary six days after being sacked.
Good Cabinet appointments by Sunak. Places for some of his core supporters like Raab, Shapps and Keegan and Hunt remains as Chancellor. However some Truss supporters like Coffey and Cleverly and Wallace survive to keep Cabinet jobs and Braverman returns as Home Secretary which will please the ERG right
Surely Braverman is just about sending a message about being "tough on immigration".
We all know nothing is actually going to happen in practice.
Suppose Betfair opened the market:
Will a single person be deported from UK to Rwanda in next five years? Odds would be Yes 1000, No 1.01.
This is what winds me up.
I don't mind a tough line on immigration but I do mind that, y'know, something is actually done about it.
It could be argued that the issue immigration is the biggest deception continuously played by the ruling class on the governed. Most politicians know that it is difficult to achieve economic growth without immigration, but they have to keep that fact out of the ears of les enfants.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
You miss the point
When Johnson stood down his 102 votes became available and Braverman being the darling of the right came out for Sunak ensuring the vast majority of Johnson's votes went to Sunak thereby eliminating Mordaunt and confirming Sunak's coronation today
Indeed. And last Wednesday she was sacked for a security breach. One only outweighs the other in the Conservative Party. No other organisation or workplace in the country.
I think some of the “cabinet a gift to Labour” comments are a bit wide of the mark - most people couldn’t name more than 3-4 people in the cabinet, for politics geeks like us it has more of an impact.
However there are two or three glaring and unforced errors that Sunak has made in choosing this cabinet that will give Labour some cheer and attack lines:
1. Suella back as HS is too fast, too soon and raises security-related questions. This is the big error and gives Labour an attack line and potential calls for an investigation.
2. Penny should have been given a bigger role. She is one of the best media performers in government and keeping her in what is a rather backroom post looks more like a spiteful punishment than assembling a government of all the talents. A great waste, particularly given some of the charisma-free zones who hold better jobs than hers.
3. Too many old faces that didn’t impress first time round. It looks like continuity Johnson rather than a government ready to really seize the agenda and take the fight to Labour.
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
I was considering voting Conservative again. I won't, as long as Braverman is home secretary. She's a swivel-eyed loon.
I suspect she will not be there in another 12 months. She is the red meat to compensate for the removal of Rees Mogg and the other tossers of the populist right. It is distasteful, but it is politics.
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
Gove at DLUHC makes sense, but if it is just more tinkering without the balls to do anything it is a waste of everyone's time.
That isn't Gove's way at all.
More normally, he goes too far too fast.
Tbf, someone has realised that and thrown in his way, like tumbleweed, the wheels of justice, post-Brexit farming and northern Powerhouse rail in sequence.
Labour would be well advised not to mention Braverman's swivel-eyed lunacy (as that is her appeal) and just focus on the sacking, incompetence, and her being Continuity Truss.
Yep. It’s a simple line.
Why have you reappointed a known security risk as Home Secretary?
It will be very interesting if Starmer brings this up tomorrow (I am sure he will) and Sunak responds on the grounds Labour are soft on channel crossings in what could be quite an explosive moment for red wall seats
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
I think some of the “cabinet a gift to Labour” comments are a bit wide of the mark - most people couldn’t name more than 3-4 people in the cabinet, for politics geeks like us it has more of an impact.
However there are two or three glaring and unforced errors that Sunak has made in choosing this cabinet that will give Labour some cheer and attack lines:
1. Suella back as HS is too fast, too soon and raises security-related questions. This is the big error and gives Labour an attack line and potential calls for an investigation.
2. Penny should have been given a bigger role. She is one of the best media performers in government and keeping her in what is a rather backroom post looks more like a spiteful punishment than assembling a government of all the talents. A great waste, particularly given some of the charisma-free zones who hold better jobs than hers.
3. Too many old faces that didn’t impress first time round. It looks like continuity Johnson rather than a government ready to really seize the agenda and take the fight to Labour.
It's not that all of the cabinet is a gift for Labour - as you imply, the majority are non-player characters.
It is the figures you have highlighted that are the problem by their prominence or lack of it.
With Rees Mogg already stirring up trouble on the back benches I'm not optimistic.
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Her dream is a long way from Dr King's, that's for sure.
The public are not remotely interested in details like how Braverman breached security.
Walk down the street now and ask 100 people why Braverman was sacked. Literally nobody would have the faintest idea. 60% of people wouldn't have even heard of her. 80% wouldn't know she had been sacked.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
Er. It’s an open goal for Labour
Let’s see if they can put it in the back of the net, shall we?
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
I was considering voting Conservative again. I won't, as long as Braverman is home secretary. She's a swivel-eyed loon.
I suspect she will not be there in another 12 months. She is the red meat to compensate for the removal of Rees Mogg and the other tossers of the populist right. It is distasteful, but it is politics.
It shows bad judgement. Rees-Mogg might be about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit, but beyond his dickensian plutocrat persona, he's not really any more harmful than most. Braverman, on the other hand, has exceptionally distasteful views on immigration, wants to make cannabis a class A drug, and was sacked a week ago for a national security breach. If it's a sop to the right of the party, I'd rather have Rees-Mog.
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
The public are not remotely interested in details like how Braverman breached security.
Walk down the street now and ask 100 people why Braverman was sacked. Literally nobody would have the faintest idea. 60% of people wouldn't have even heard of her. 80% wouldn't know she had been sacked.
Everyone is far too geeky on here.
No, but it is a simple attack line to repeat ad nauseam so that the public get the point, even if they don't recognize the person.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
I think you underestimate the swivel-eyed loons. The membership are seething. They already rejected Sunak.
For Truss.
Their judgment is at best questionable, more likely certifiable.
They have no grounds for complaint on any level whatsoever.
The public are not remotely interested in details like how Braverman breached security.
Walk down the street now and ask 100 people why Braverman was sacked. Literally nobody would have the faintest idea. 60% of people wouldn't have even heard of her. 80% wouldn't know she had been sacked.
Everyone is far too geeky on here.
Things matter for reasons other than whether the public will notice or care about it.
That's the same attitude Boris takes as to why he should not have to have decent personal and professional standards.
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
Right?
Look at all the appointments and you realise it’s the same old same old. He’s not going to bring in anyone on the left of the party - insofar as they still exist - so by default he’s fishing in a very limited pool.
These are almost all, with the possible exception of Badenoch, the usual suspects who’ve been in and out of cabinet for years. It shows a Tory party that is fatigued and stale.
I’d also worried this would be a reset, but no. Like the Russian military he has a limited and dwindling range of weaponry at his disposal and most of it has been blown up in ammunition depots already.
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
Gove was born and raised in Scotland and is the new Levelling up Secretary, Ben Wallace was an MSP and is Defence Secretary again.
I give that about 3/10. Stunningly tactical and narrow political thinking.
Maybe that's what we'll get from Sunak: economic competence but stunningly narrow political thinking.
I think he's basically there to limit Labour to as small a majority as possible but the fresh start for Con is going to happen in opposition not this government.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
Er. It’s an open goal for Labour
Let’s see if they can put it in the back of the net, shall we?
Indeed. It’s by no means guaranteed but an open goal it is. It doesn’t even matter that public interest in it is meagre as @MikeL says - it just allows Labour to paint Sunny as Continuity Chaos.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
I'm slightly surprised to see people shocked that Braverman is back, this is the cost of doing business for Rishi. We all said how massively significant it was that she backed him instead of Boris, was anyone really that naïve that they thought it was a freebie?
Politics is a messy business and sometimes getting down in the mud is the only way to win. Rishi showed he was a grown up rather than playing student politics by getting political enemies like SB on side. Is it ideal? Obviously not, but the alternative is Boris bringing back Priti or SB for HS. SB was the kingmaker, this was her price.
If Braverman genuinely held the fate of the PM in her hands, then he's pretty useless as PM anyway. There's no good way to spin it.
Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because the alternative would be Boris as PM and probably Braverman as home secretary.
But there is not going to be a member's vote now. Boris is gone and we still have Suella "Rwanda" Braverman back in post.
Whatever else it is, it's clever politics. There won't be any rebellions from the right now.
Er. It’s an open goal for Labour
Let’s see if they can put it in the back of the net, shall we?
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
OT But I'm quite pissed Ford is stopping production of the Focus and Fiesta, going for SUVs only.
I hate this trend of massive cars. We aren't the US, you don't need one and our streets aren't built for them. The German's have a good word - Wankpanzers
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Her dream is a long way from Dr King's, that's for sure.
It's disingenuous to conflate integration and immigration. According to Clarence B. Jones, who worked with Dr King as a speechwriter, King would oppose “the moral brazenness of those without the legal right to be here who demand that Americans treat them as though they were decorated soldiers or fighters for constitutional rights”.
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
I was considering voting Conservative again. I won't, as long as Braverman is home secretary. She's a swivel-eyed loon.
I suspect she will not be there in another 12 months. She is the red meat to compensate for the removal of Rees Mogg and the other tossers of the populist right. It is distasteful, but it is politics.
It shows bad judgement. Rees-Mogg might be about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit, but beyond his dickensian plutocrat persona, he's not really any more harmful than most. Braverman, on the other hand, has exceptionally distasteful views on immigration, wants to make cannabis a class A drug, and was sacked a week ago for a national security breach. If it's a sop to the right of the party, I'd rather have Rees-Mog.
It depends what she is allowed to do. The loons have been completely bloodlessly castrated by Sunak and Hunt. She can make all the loony statements she wants, but if it doesn't get past cabinet, she will be about as useful as Jacob Rees Mogg in a street fight
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
OT But I'm quite pissed Ford is stopping production of the Focus and Fiesta, going for SUVs only.
I hate this trend of massive cars. We aren't the US, you don't need one and our streets aren't built for them. The German's have a good word - Wankpanzers
If I remember correctly, is it not because Ford basically doesn't make any money making these small cars. They are incredibly reliant on the F-150 as the big driver of profitability.
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
Gove was born and raised in Scotland and is the new Levelling up Secretary, Ben Wallace was an MSP and is Defence Secretary again.
Oh, the Franco Fan is doing “blood n soil” nationality today. Quelle surprise.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
Doesn't the Rwanda policy cost £120mn? That's a hefty price tag for Owning the Libs. I'm sure there are cheaper ways of winding us up.
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
Got to have payback for the damage the last big “Scottish” appointment (Truss) did…
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
Gove was born and raised in Scotland and is the new Levelling up Secretary, Ben Wallace was an MSP and is Defence Secretary again.
It's the people who were actually elected by Scottish constituencies that we are concerned with. Mr Wallace isn't one now. [Edit} His MSP seat, left in 2003, is about as relevant as winning a Blue Peter badge from 1968.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
Doesn't the Rwanda policy cost £120mn? That's a hefty price tag for Owning the Libs. I'm sure there are cheaper ways of winding us up.
The Tory fresh start was Mordaunt. This is continuity.
With respect one unwise appointment in Braverman does not make this continuity from Truss and Johnson
I agree with Sky that he wants to hit the ground running, and in his confirmation of Hunt as COE you will see next Monday a complete rejection of all things Truss
Only one unwise appointment?
To be honest I am content with most of the appointments so far
Braverman has your full support. Do you share her dreams?
You clearly have not read my comments and please do not put words into my mouth
Braverman is the wrong appointment but the wider picture is Johnson and Truss have gone and in Sunak and Hunt we have the best chance to reassure the markets
They are in fact, already reassured. Look at Gilts and the pound.
Yes I am aware of how positively the markets have reacted even to some building societies reducing their mortgage rates
On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
It’s not happening now . Sunak and the witch are on the same page .
A stirring conviction politician, Braverman is.
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Yes, but the reason "Rwanda" is persisted with as a policy and gets traction is because it annoys and infuriates all the people it's supposed to on the Left, who fall for it every time.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
And that, friends, is Keir’s most obvious and devastating attack line. “A government more interested in owning the libs than actually securing our borders”.
OT But I'm quite pissed Ford is stopping production of the Focus and Fiesta, going for SUVs only.
I hate this trend of massive cars. We aren't the US, you don't need one and our streets aren't built for them. The German's have a good word - Wankpanzers
If I remember correctly, is it not because Ford basically doesn't make any money making these small cars. They are incredibly reliant on the F-150 as the big driver of profitability.
I suspect Ford are heading towards another existential crisis.
The public are not remotely interested in details like how Braverman breached security.
Walk down the street now and ask 100 people why Braverman was sacked. Literally nobody would have the faintest idea. 60% of people wouldn't have even heard of her. 80% wouldn't know she had been sacked.
Everyone is far too geeky on here.
Things matter for reasons other than whether the public will notice or care about it.
That's the same attitude Boris takes as to why he should not have to have decent personal and professional standards.
Oh sure, I agree and I personally would much prefer Braverman had not been reappointed.
I just think we need to be practical about the situation.
And Labour is not going to spend large amounts of time on the issue. The number 1 issue now by a million miles is the economy, cost of living and quite simply how much cash everyone has in their pocket. That will dominate everything.
I was worried that Sunak may be a serious threat to Labour, that he really would focus on stability, competence and integrity, and make the narrative all about there being no alternative to austerity. Without being in any way complacent, I am less concerned than I was.
I was considering voting Conservative again. I won't, as long as Braverman is home secretary. She's a swivel-eyed loon.
I suspect she will not be there in another 12 months. She is the red meat to compensate for the removal of Rees Mogg and the other tossers of the populist right. It is distasteful, but it is politics.
It shows bad judgement. Rees-Mogg might be about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit, but beyond his dickensian plutocrat persona, he's not really any more harmful than most. Braverman, on the other hand, has exceptionally distasteful views on immigration, wants to make cannabis a class A drug, and was sacked a week ago for a national security breach. If it's a sop to the right of the party, I'd rather have Rees-Mog.
It depends what she is allowed to do. The loons have been completely bloodlessly castrated by Sunak and Hunt. She can make all the loony statements she wants, but if it doesn't get past cabinet, she will be about as useful as Jacob Rees Mogg in a street fight
So it's OK to put in an incompetent Minister as long as they're also rendered ineffective by never being allowed to do anything - great recipe for Government. Don't know why they didn't just draft in the back bench MP she was getting Home Sec. tips from. Would have saved time.
Celebration in India as Rishi Sunak becomes PM in most papers.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
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On Braverman her hard line stance on the channel crossings will go down well in the red wall seats, but not sure how the idea we need more immigration to aid growth sits with her stance
These things can sometimes be a surprise.
Sounds about right.
More normally, he goes too far too fast.
https://www.indy100.com/politics/james-cleverly-gaffes-liz-truss
Compared to the Cabinet we had a couple of weeks ago it's a huge improvement.
In: Sunak, Hunt, Gove, Stride. That's four major changes and massive improvements - that's what the public will notice. Then in the 2nd tier Keegan and hopefully one or two others.
When Johnson stood down his 102 votes became available and Braverman being the darling of the right came out for Sunak ensuring the vast majority of Johnson's votes went to Sunak thereby eliminating Mordaunt and confirming Sunak's coronation today
I don't mind a tough line on immigration but I do mind that, y'know, something is actually done about it.
Why have you reappointed a known security risk as Home Secretary?
Adds Women and Equalities.
Channel crossings are totally out of control and Rwanda won't do jack about it and he's smart enough to know that.
Whadyesay @Scott_xP ? You Yes Yet?
A known security risk reappointed Home Secretary six days after being sacked.
And last Wednesday she was sacked for a security breach.
One only outweighs the other in the Conservative Party. No other organisation or workplace in the country.
Nowhere near as poor as Truss’s team, but he’s going to deeply regret these First Twenty-four Hours errors.
However there are two or three glaring and unforced errors that Sunak has made in choosing this cabinet that will give Labour some cheer and attack lines:
1. Suella back as HS is too fast, too soon and raises security-related questions. This is the big error and gives Labour an attack line and potential calls for an investigation.
2. Penny should have been given a bigger role. She is one of the best media performers in government and keeping her in what is a rather backroom post looks more like a spiteful punishment than assembling a government of all the talents. A great waste, particularly given some of the charisma-free zones who hold better jobs than hers.
3. Too many old faces that didn’t impress first time round. It looks like continuity Johnson rather than a government ready to really seize the agenda and take the fight to Labour.
However the redwall might not take so kindly to the headline in the Hindi language Dainik Bhaskar "Another Diwali gift to the nation, Indian-origin Rishi to rule the whites".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-63370153
"Ha, ha, make those go fast, Mikey!"
"I have a dream that one day in this great nation of ours every person who tries to get in without a visa will be deported immediately to Rwanda."
I'm very disappointed to see her back. 2 possibilities, neither good. Sunak wants to send out some anti-migrant, strong borders, hard brexit vibe to try and appeal to that part of Johnson's 2019 voting coalition. Or she is such a power in the party that he felt he had to do this.
Braverman is the proper howler, here.
It is the figures you have highlighted that are the problem by their prominence or lack of it.
With Rees Mogg already stirring up trouble on the back benches I'm not optimistic.
Maybe that's what we'll get from Sunak: economic competence but stunningly narrow political thinking.
Walk down the street now and ask 100 people why Braverman was sacked. Literally nobody would have the faintest idea. 60% of people wouldn't have even heard of her. 80% wouldn't know she had been sacked.
Everyone is far too geeky on here.
Okay, there are only six of them, but c’mon, one or two are not as useless as some of the English MPs given government jobs. Honourable mention: Lamont. (Borderline sentient being: Mundell. Four cro-magnons.)
Their judgment is at best questionable, more likely certifiable.
They have no grounds for complaint on any level whatsoever.
That's the same attitude Boris takes as to why he should not have to have decent personal and professional standards.
Screw Modi.
Look at all the appointments and you realise it’s the same old same old. He’s not going to bring in anyone on the left of the party - insofar as they still exist - so by default he’s fishing in a very limited pool.
These are almost all, with the possible exception of Badenoch, the usual suspects who’ve been in and out of cabinet for years. It shows a Tory party that is fatigued and stale.
I’d also worried this would be a reset, but no. Like the Russian military he has a limited and dwindling range of weaponry at his disposal and most of it has been blown up in ammunition depots already.
Not a single person has been deported to Rwanda. Meanwhile, landings here might double to 60,000 by the end of the year.
I hate this trend of massive cars. We aren't the US, you don't need one and our streets aren't built for them. The German's have a good word - Wankpanzers
Braverman is a different kettle of fish. Not talking competence here, but proven evil.
Badenoch induces the boke.
And the jury’s out on “economic competence”.
I just think we need to be practical about the situation.
And Labour is not going to spend large amounts of time on the issue. The number 1 issue now by a million miles is the economy, cost of living and quite simply how much cash everyone has in their pocket. That will dominate everything.