Braverman at HS is the price of Boris not being PM, to my mind it's a small one.
Not when she tanks trade deals because it might make it easier for foreigners to come to work here, even though we need it.
Eh, the deal that was being talked about basically extended the working holiday visa scheme that we have with Australia and NZ to India, that strikes me as a poor idea as it's basically a 3 year work permit with no questions asked for under 35s. You can count in the millions per year the number of under 35 year old Indians who would take advantage of that scheme, unlike Australia and NZ where it's a few thousand per year.
I think she was right to oppose the deal because the UK doesn't have the capacity to add 1.5-2m Indian young people per year for three years and then countless overstayers.
Meet the new cabinet. Not quite as bad as the old cabinet.
If Sunak’s pitch is merely “you should have seen the last lot…”, this story isn’t going to end well.
Some BoZo retreads with a sprinkling of Truss acolytes.
Hardly inspiring
Being blunt - there actually isn't that much talent within the Parliamentary Tory party. It's either burnt out or not great.
Or, being charitable, not had enough time to develop. Truss and Sunak were promoted to Cabinet in short time, but that was still 4 years - so a large number of 2019 intake are a bit too soon, and even 2017 intake would be swift.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
I'm imagining one of those early years maths books where instead of pictures of chickens, houses, cakes and the like, you get to learn all your basic addition and subtraction with pictures of 2022 education secretaries.
Five Education Secretaries Four Chancellors Three Prime Ministers Two Monarchs One COP26 President
As Wallace is staying we can now amend this to
Five Education Secretaries Four Chancellors Three Prime Ministers Two Monarchs and One Def-ence Sec-re-ta-ry.
I really don't like repeating myself, but as many are missing the point, here goes:
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
Braverman at HS is the price of Boris not being PM, to my mind it's a small one.
Not when she tanks trade deals because it might make it easier for foreigners to come to work here, even though we need it.
Eh, the deal that was being talked about basically extended the working holiday visa scheme that we have with Australia and NZ to India, that strikes me as a poor idea as it's basically a 3 year work permit with no questions asked for under 35s. You can count in the millions per year the number of under 35 year old Indians who would take advantage of that scheme, unlike Australia and NZ where it's a few thousand per year.
I think she was right to oppose the deal because the UK doesn't have the capacity to add 1.5-2m Indian young people per year for three years and then countless overstayers.
So the big question remains . Will the stain on humanity get HS with gassing refugees thrown in to keep her extra happy !
The delay on announcing that big job when the others have been done makes me think some negotiations are going on behind the scene - Shapps wants something good if he is going to be shifted, with Braverman being offered alternatives.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
So the big question remains . Will the stain on humanity get HS with gassing refugees thrown in to keep her extra happy !
The delay on announcing that big job when the others have been done makes me think some negotiations are going on behind the scene - Shapps wants something good if he is going to be shifted, with Braverman being offered alternatives.
I forgot Mr Green hadn't been given his marching orders.
What does the Chancellor the Duchy of Lancaster do again? Generally get to lead on constitutional issues or something, or pretty much anything the PM wants?
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
I really don't like repeating myself, but as many are missing the point, here goes:
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
It's kind of cute that people think that's why she resigned.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I thought it was the return of Alastair Meek's much vaunted 'dull competence'. Don't tell me Richard will have to put down his champagne glass?
I really don't like repeating myself, but as many are missing the point, here goes:
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
It's kind of cute that people think that's why she resigned.
That not being her policy reason for resigning does not change that it was her official reason for resigning, and as such should rule her out of a future appointment so soon.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I suspect one of the reasons we have all been relieved at Sunak's elevation is that compared to his immediate predecessors he appears a beacon of competence.
Appointing Braverman confirms it was all smoke and mirrors after all. Let's hope he desists!
I really don't like repeating myself, but as many are missing the point, here goes:
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
It's kind of cute that people think that's why she resigned.
It's what she said in her resignation letter. Should I assume she's lying? Doesn't make it any better, does it?
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
Or an IKEA cabinet being rebuilt out of the remains of two smashed ones.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
I was never particularly bothered about immigration and the point of the working holiday visa is that it's still a work permit based scheme and comes with no right to welfare for the three years and it then requires sponsorship to renew for a further three years, that's completely different to free movement, the government still has a big lever to pull on if it doesn't think it's good for the economy or a subset of workers are seeing wage deflation.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
The point is to treat people from all countries fairly, rather than giving special privileges to people from 26 specific countries for no rational reason.
Truss's Cabinet was not, on the face of it, terrible in most respects, though much of it was inexperienced. But there were a few complete duffers, and Sunak needs to avoid those like the plague.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I suspect one of the reasons we have all been relieved at Sunak's elevation is that compared to his immediate predecessors he appears a beacon of competence.
Appointing Braverman confirms it was all smoke and mirrors after all. Let's hope he desists!
He could say you broke the code even technically and it would not look good to put you back as HS .
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
The point is to treat people from all countries fairly, rather than giving special privileges to people from 26 specific countries for no rational reason.
Chuckle: I tried that Bing map to see what they have to say about my neighborhood -- and was amused to see that they did not have a label on the growing Google operation here, though there are small labels on "Buildings A, B, and C". Google's operation in Kirkland is recent, so the map may just not have been updated in the last few years.
(I haven't decided whether the local Google operation is parasitic or symbiotic. If they have done much for the community here other than building a playground, I haven't heard about it.)
Microsofties (ones still on the payroll/bonus scheme anyway) rather notorious in Seattle for volunteering for wide variety of good causes & civic endeavors . . . then mostly being AWOL.
In contrast to Boeing (old-school pre-bean counter anyway) before "top" management declared war on Puget Sound . . . and started it's notorious nose-diving, fiscally AND aeronautically.
Addendum - Local Amazonians so far mostly following Microsoft & Google lack-of-civic-engagement policy.
I was never likely to approve of a bunch of Tories being appointed to Cabinet, so I'm going to wait to pass judgement on what they actually do, rather than who they are. Reckon Cleverly is very lucky to keep his exalted position, though.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I suspect one of the reasons we have all been relieved at Sunak's elevation is that compared to his immediate predecessors he appears a beacon of competence.
Appointing Braverman confirms it was all smoke and mirrors after all. Let's hope he desists!
He could say you broke the code even technically and it would not look good to put you back as HS .
I really don't like repeating myself, but as many are missing the point, here goes:
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
It's kind of cute that people think that's why she resigned.
It's what she said in her resignation letter. Should I assume she's lying? Doesn't make it any better, does it?
That's true. "I have made a mistake and when you make a mistake a serious politician resigns" ... was her letter.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I thought it was the return of Alastair Meek's much vaunted 'dull competence'. Don't tell me Richard will have to put down his champagne glass?
Whatever happens, Sunak is on track to not be as bad a politician as Truss, or as bad a person as Johnson, or as ineffective a PM as May.
The space labelled "much better than his predecessors without being that good" is awfully big.
👀 Hearing that Gavin Willimson, who has been at Sunak’s side throughout the summer, will make a return to front-line politics as minister without portfolio (in the cabinet office).
BBC all over the shop. Suggesting Penny as transport secretary which is a “poisoned chalice” and a “demotion”? Do they actually understand what leader of the HoC does? (hint: it’s not much!)
Plenty of criticism that the Labour frontbench is inexperienced / weak. I’d counter this by asking - how ’strong’ can shadow ministers be perceived if they’ve been out of Government for 12 years? There’s not really much of a chance to accurately compare, eg, Reeves as a hypothetical Chancellor to the actual ones we’ve had since 2010 (Osbourne, Hammond, Javid, Sunak, Zahawi, Kwarteng, Hunt)
Although, by virtue of her doing nothing she’s probably better than a couple of those by default.
It doesn’t really seem the most accurate yardstick given the criteria for whether someone is a ‘heavyweight’ or not seems a lot more subjective than those putting forward the argument make it out to be.
Furthermore, we’ve had a hell of a lot of Tory ministers in recent years that have made pretty clear cockups. Notwithstanding your Hancock type scandals.
Lastly, I think it’s fair to say that media scrutiny is far higher on the minutiae in the social media age. Someone like Norman Lamont might have been castigated far more in the era of twitter. The image of a ‘competent administator’ would be buttressed by how much less limelight there was in say, 1999, on the average minister in general.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
Or an IKEA cabinet being rebuilt out of the remains of two smashed ones.
one or two loose screws. And one odd shaped thingyabit it says should have been in the bag you didn’t get, now it’s altogether you don’t understand what purpose it was supposed to have.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I thought it was the return of Alastair Meek's much vaunted 'dull competence'. Don't tell me Richard will have to put down his champagne glass?
Whatever happens, Sunak is on track to not be as bad a politician as Truss, or as bad a person as Johnson, or as ineffective a PM as May.
The space labelled "much better than his predecessors without being that good" is awfully big.
If he can also manage the title "slightly better than the LoTO without being that good" he might end up with an 80 seat majority
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
I was never particularly bothered about immigration and the point of the working holiday visa is that it's still a work permit based scheme and comes with no right to welfare for the three years and it then requires sponsorship to renew for a further three years, that's completely different to free movement, the government still has a big lever to pull on if it doesn't think it's good for the economy or a subset of workers are seeing wage deflation.
Max you said yourself that it is virtually unlimited, in the millions, while many over stay their visas. That was what you didn't like, but are suggesting the exact same thing for the EU.
Makes no sense.
And if I had a penny for every time people posted on here "we love immigration we just want to be able to control it why should those from South Asia be discriminated against?" I would be 0.00000000001x as wealthy as Rishi.
So far @RishiSunak’s government of “professionalism and accountability” has sacked the guy who ended the barristers strike (@BrandonLewis) and replaced him with the person who caused it (@DominicRaab), and is now trying to find a way round @SuellaBraverman being a security risk.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
Or an IKEA cabinet being rebuilt out of the remains of two smashed ones.
one or two loose screws. And one odd shaped thingyabit it says should have been in the bag you didn’t get, now it’s altogether you don’t understand what purpose it was supposed to have.
Cheeky. That odd shaped thingyabit used to be Education Secretary.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
Or an IKEA cabinet being rebuilt out of the remains of two smashed ones.
one or two loose screws. And one odd shaped thingyabit it says should have been in the bag you didn’t get, now it’s altogether you don’t understand what purpose it was supposed to have.
Donelan I think will just be confirmed in post. It would be bloody weird to occupy three different departments in the space of 3 months, and 50 days of ministerial time. But perhaps she is returning to Education, which was her first post.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
The point is to treat people from all countries fairly, rather than giving special privileges to people from 26 specific countries for no rational reason.
Absurd. The visa that SB didn't want to authorise would, as Max has noted, have allowed millions of Indians to come over here (and no doubt to take our jobs). He now wants that privilege to be extended to the EU instead.
Max was worried about the millions of Indians likely or at least able to come here. Leavers were worried about the millions of EU citizens likely or at least able to come here. So now Max says let the millions of EU citizens come here instead of the Indians.
Appears that Rishi Sunak is following the sage advice (in this respect) of preferring to have at least some of the usual suspects inside the tent pissing out, rather than outside the tent pissing in.
Obvious that Liz Truss was AWOL from her PPE lectures the day (or was it month) THAT was discussed.
Anyone that remembers him constantly interrupting and talking over both Liz Truss and Sophie Raworth with his condescending mansplaining throughout the BBC Tory leadership debate won't be surprised that he's given all the big jobs to men. Rishi Sunak doesn't rate women.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I thought it was the return of Alastair Meek's much vaunted 'dull competence'. Don't tell me Richard will have to put down his champagne glass?
Whatever happens, Sunak is on track to not be as bad a politician as Truss, or as bad a person as Johnson, or as ineffective a PM as May.
The space labelled "much better than his predecessors without being that good" is awfully big.
If he can also manage the title "slightly better than the LoTO without being that good" he might end up with an 80 seat majority
Fortunately for all of us, that's a much higher bar to clear now than it was in 2019.
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
I thought it was the return of Alastair Meek's much vaunted 'dull competence'. Don't tell me Richard will have to put down his champagne glass?
Whatever happens, Sunak is on track to not be as bad a politician as Truss, or as bad a person as Johnson, or as ineffective a PM as May.
The space labelled "much better than his predecessors without being that good" is awfully big.
If he can also manage the title "slightly better than the LoTO without being that good" he might end up with an 80 seat majority
Blimey, you've changed in a week. Clearly you have read a @williamglenn post on your road to Damascus, and you are converted.
"Eh, the deal that was being talked about basically extended the working holiday visa scheme that we have with Australia and NZ to India, that strikes me as a poor idea as it's basically a 3 year work permit with no questions asked for under 35s. You can count in the millions per year the number of under 35 year old Indians who would take advantage of that scheme, unlike Australia and NZ where it's a few thousand per year.
I think she was right to oppose the deal because the UK doesn't have the capacity to add 1.5-2m Indian young people per year for three years and then countless overstayers."
So he says give the visas (and the concomitant millions of people) to the EU.
During the Brexit campaign PB Leavers were falling over themselves to say how iniquitous it was that people from eg India couldn't come here while those from the EU could.
Jesus FH Christ you lot really need to make up your mind or just say look we don't like foreigners. At least that would be honest.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Again, this is the make-up-your-mind fallacy. There will be diverse opinons within a group, many of which are consisyent over time. This does not equate to a single un-made-up mimd.
Absolutely. Some of us have been wanting free movement with the EU and more immigration from the rest of the world. But that doesn't seem to fit with Topping's preconceived ideas about Leavers so he would rather pretend we don't exist or that we have had some sort of Damascene conversion.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Extend the Australia/NZ working holiday scheme to the EU on reciprocal basis. It's not a difficult question to answer, Rishi just needs the balls to push it through.
Hang on so now we want virtually unlimited immigration from the EU instead of South Asia.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
I was never particularly bothered about immigration and the point of the working holiday visa is that it's still a work permit based scheme and comes with no right to welfare for the three years and it then requires sponsorship to renew for a further three years, that's completely different to free movement, the government still has a big lever to pull on if it doesn't think it's good for the economy or a subset of workers are seeing wage deflation.
Max you said yourself that it is virtually unlimited, in the millions, while many over stay their visas. That was what you didn't like, but are suggesting the exact same thing for the EU.
Makes no sense.
And if I had a penny for every time people posted on here "we love immigration we just want to be able to control it why should those from South Asia be discriminated against?" I would be 0.00000000001x as wealthy as Rishi.
It's because Indian nationals already have a higher than average tendency to overstay their visas. Suella Braverman was, fairly, pointing that out.
You're being purposefully obtuse because you know there's no argument to be had here. An Indian person who earns $100/m in India has a huge incentive to get the 3 year visa, overstay and work illegally until they are deported vs a European earning €1500 per month wherever they live and there are, at last count, 1.4bn Indians compared to 300m people in the EU. The pull factor is just hugely different, for most younger Europeans it will be about a cultural exchange, learning English, meeting English and other European young people, for younger Indians it will be a straight up transactional exchange until they are booted out for overstaying their visa. The proposed scheme was a rubbish idea and any trade deal with India which includes it would be a terrible idea.
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Remember my continual statement - you can get more money and probably do more good well away from politics.
I think she was right to oppose the deal because the UK doesn't have the capacity to add 1.5-2m Indian young people per year for three years and then countless overstayers.
When we weren't sure if Suella B had resigned or been sacked, there was lots of chatter about how the issue was about legal immigration. Basically, we could no longer afford a "fewer foreigners" strategy because we really needed people to take our jobs.
How does that circle get squared?
Five Education Secretaries
Four Chancellors
Three Prime Ministers
Two Monarchs
and One Def-ence Sec-re-ta-ry.
Braverman resigned because she admitted breaking the Ministerial Code. She should not be appointed to anything until she has 'served her time'. It is nothing to do with her political positions.
If Sunak gives her a job, it shows that he doesn't care much about breaches of the Ministerial Code.
Remind me, which other recent PM was indifferent to the edicts of the Ministerial Code?
In fact, it's looking like one of those IKEA flatpack jobs put up by somebody very enthusiastic but who doesn't know the difference between a drill bit and a screwdriver.
You leavers can't get your story right - last time (ie with Brexit) you were all delighted that we would have fewer EU immigrants and more from eg South Asia.
Make your bleedin' minds up.
Appointing Braverman confirms it was all smoke and mirrors after all. Let's hope he desists!
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1584934858429980673
Has the new government of integrity's plan to reappoint Suella Braverman hit some Probity and Ethics trouble?
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1584934801102213120
Not sure why she should expect her old job back .
A great deal: 4%
Some: 13%
Not very much: 23%
None at all: 53%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/10/25/f25a0/3 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1584935314304311298/photo/1
In contrast to Boeing (old-school pre-bean counter anyway) before "top" management declared war on Puget Sound . . . and started it's notorious nose-diving, fiscally AND aeronautically.
Addendum - Local Amazonians so far mostly following Microsoft & Google lack-of-civic-engagement policy.
The space labelled "much better than his predecessors without being that good" is awfully big.
Although, by virtue of her doing nothing she’s probably better than a couple of those by default.
It doesn’t really seem the most accurate yardstick given the criteria for whether someone is a ‘heavyweight’ or not seems a lot more subjective than those putting forward the argument make it out to be.
Furthermore, we’ve had a hell of a lot of Tory ministers in recent years that have made pretty clear cockups. Notwithstanding your Hancock type scandals.
Lastly, I think it’s fair to say that media scrutiny is far higher on the minutiae in the social media age. Someone like Norman Lamont might have been castigated far more in the era of twitter. The image of a ‘competent administator’ would be buttressed by how much less limelight there was in say, 1999, on the average minister in general.
With Braverman its about her, not what she wants to do - not liking the policy is a given.
Makes no sense.
And if I had a penny for every time people posted on here "we love immigration we just want to be able to control it why should those from South Asia be discriminated against?" I would be 0.00000000001x as wealthy as Rishi.
I also wouldn’t discount the effect a different leader has in terms of structure, culture and direction.
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1584936538265522176
A few hours ago posters talking about the polls moving upwards…
I couldn't care less if its 100% male or 100% female, to be honest.
I just want competence.
Max was worried about the millions of Indians likely or at least able to come here. Leavers were worried about the millions of EU citizens likely or at least able to come here. So now Max says let the millions of EU citizens come here instead of the Indians.
Obvious that Liz Truss was AWOL from her PPE lectures the day (or was it month) THAT was discussed.
Now, he's scrabbling around trying to find a replacement and reshuffle the pack.
The rest? Meh.....
The Rt Hon Suella Braverman KC MP @SuellaBraverman has been appointed Secretary of State for the Home Department @UKHomeOffice
#Reshuffle
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Red Wall Voting Intention (24-25 October):
Labour 56% (-5)
Conservative 28% (+7)
Liberal Democrat 8% (+3)
Reform UK 5% (-3)
Green 2% (-1)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (–)
Changes +/- 16-17 October
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Labour 56% (-5)
Conservative 28% (+7)
Liberal Democrat 8% (+3)
Reform UK 5% (-3)
Green 2% (-1)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (–)
Changes +/- 16-17 October
An actual bounce. But still miles adrift
"Eh, the deal that was being talked about basically extended the working holiday visa scheme that we have with Australia and NZ to India, that strikes me as a poor idea as it's basically a 3 year work permit with no questions asked for under 35s. You can count in the millions per year the number of under 35 year old Indians who would take advantage of that scheme, unlike Australia and NZ where it's a few thousand per year.
I think she was right to oppose the deal because the UK doesn't have the capacity to add 1.5-2m Indian young people per year for three years and then countless overstayers."
So he says give the visas (and the concomitant millions of people) to the EU.
During the Brexit campaign PB Leavers were falling over themselves to say how iniquitous it was that people from eg India couldn't come here while those from the EU could.
Jesus FH Christ you lot really need to make up your mind or just say look we don't like foreigners. At least that would be honest.
I was feeling a bit down about Labour. Tories back in the game, SNP consistently good. But I think Sunak's messed up here.
You're being purposefully obtuse because you know there's no argument to be had here. An Indian person who earns $100/m in India has a huge incentive to get the 3 year visa, overstay and work illegally until they are deported vs a European earning €1500 per month wherever they live and there are, at last count, 1.4bn Indians compared to 300m people in the EU. The pull factor is just hugely different, for most younger Europeans it will be about a cultural exchange, learning English, meeting English and other European young people, for younger Indians it will be a straight up transactional exchange until they are booted out for overstaying their visa. The proposed scheme was a rubbish idea and any trade deal with India which includes it would be a terrible idea.
How to lose friends and alienate people.