I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
Whoever wins the leadership contest, they may well be thinking: better to go to the country with the excuse of needing a mandate for a new direction /now/ before the winter hits hard followed up by a year or more of grinding recession.
Alternatively, two years is a long time. Maybe something will turn up & it’s better to have the guarantee of two years of power to steer the narrative?
Thoughts?
She would be mad to call a GE because she would lose it and become a byword for loserdom for the rest of time. if she sticks it out she gets 2 years vs 2 months as PM and the chance to hang on as LOTO, whereas if she goes early and loses she is toast.
Ask again if the Tories have a 15% vi lead in September.
What would be the point of electing Labour when they have nothing to say on the col? I'd be happy to give them a go, goodness knows the Tories seem tired, but what for? I cannot think of a single policy they have that would make the country better.
They would find plenty to say in a snap GE campaign. Windfall taxes and nationalisations and wealth taxes.
What Truss policy would make the country better
Truss has signalled that she would prefer fields to be used for growing food rather than for solar panels - I realise her passion for BRITISH CHEESE and PORK MARKETS has been mocked, but I would very much support a pro-food security policy from her. We'll see what materialises. I also agree with amending the NIP unilaterally if other methods prove unfruitful - this is a fundamental issue of the integrity of the Kingdom for me. I don't see Labour sorting that one out. I also favour her pro-energy security agenda - greenlighting new North Sea Oil projects and looking at fracking again. That's again something we won't see from Labour.
Obviously this is all leadership election fluff, but those things are at least a bit encouraging.
"looking at fracking again"
Fracking will only lose the Tories votes. Those fracking sites are nearly all Tory seats, a lot of them not very safe Tory seats.
How’s about if they got a cheque every year, instead of a council tax bill?
That’s the way you deal with fracking, allow local authorities to tax the output.
Proof positive that a percentage of people in this country are so thick that it is a sad indictment of our education system. Boris Johnson is a liar and an incompetent of such an extreme that he is completely unfit for office. I don't much like Truss, and Sunak fails to inspire me, but both have little chance of being as appalling as Johnson.
If Truss proves a disaster, she may end up just keeping the seat warm until the return of Boris, the Prince across the Water
Boris vs Kemi would be an interesting match up...what would your view on that be?
Boris as Trump, Kemi as DeSantis? Depends which of them got enough MPs to be the main candidate of the right, they would then win the membership vote
I may live regret this statement, but Johnson ain't coming back.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
The history of how it was written (not as you describe) is however, fascinating. Perhaps the most unlikely part is the creation of the King James Bible, which was created by committees of committees of leading academics who in general heartily loathed each other. Almost certainly guaranteed to fail, and yet, we have one of the great works of English literature….it’s almost as though a higher power was involved…
I had my eyes opened to what a magnificent construct the KJB was when I went to an exhibition at my old school on it. 10% of the translators were old boys and they had loads of original manuscripts and translations as well as the Hebrew, Latin and Greek original bibles that John Harmar worked from and produced.
It’s a thing of beauty whether you believe or not and a masterpiece of prose possibly up ther with the Canterbury Tales in the history of literature.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Ugely doubtful whether the dishonesty requirement is met, and I have to say that your resort to the legal pied de la lettre is what I'd call pharisaical, and Our Lord was as strongly against Pharisees as he was in favour of same sex relationships.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
The history of how it was written (not as you describe) is however, fascinating. Perhaps the most unlikely part is the creation of the King James Bible, which was created by committees of committees of leading academics who in general heartily loathed each other. Almost certainly guaranteed to fail, and yet, we have one of the great works of English literature….it’s almost as though a higher power was involved…
Oddly, the same approach was used for the New International Version, and while not in the same class as a work of literature it's still a very good job.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
I think we should let HYUFD enjoy an evening of a little less conversation, a little more action.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
There's no certainty about it all, have a look at the case law about dishonest appropriation.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
How pitiful a story is that? The whole thing in the UK fell apart because a minority opposed the majority wish to delete the rule that allows only men, not women, to be members?
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Sky garden update. Still not many red tomatoes, but hundreds of green ones. Cucumbers still flourishing, though mostly now about 3ft below the ‘sky’ garden bit
Ooooo. I’m stealing that idea.
It's working wonderfully, but I'm a bit worried about having to leave it alone for about 50 hours from midday tomorrow (I'm going to London for football on Saturday straight from the Job Centre tomorrow, and won't be home until Sunday) and haven't found anyone to water it on Saturday. Everyone I know is away
Oh, and @Cyclefree I'd highly recommend both of these tomato varieties (I think you asked for top tumbling types earlier in the year?) - Cherry Fountain, and Tumbling Tom Yellow. Both were bought from Waitrose for £2.49 each, and supplied to them by Suttons
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
Maybe I started reading it, but the storyline in the first chapter seemed to be so incredible that even Leon wouldn’t have believed it? So I binned it.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
I know they are a bunch of chancers I'm talking about you. In the end, there is only you and your conscience.
Your party is pro-leave but you are a remainer; it is pro-gay marriage and you are against it.
Yes of course you respect the decision, blah, blah but we are talking about your beliefs. You believe that it was best for the UK to stay in the EU and you believe that gay marriage is wrong.
Respecting the will of the majority is irrelevant unless you tell me you will be an enthusiastic Labour Party supporter should they win the next General Election.
So you have some thinking to do young fella. Plus you didn't tell us if you are headed for heaven or hell when it's all over.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Pure unacceptable prejudice by an 'intolerant' minority
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Jesus Christ. even if that were the paradoxical message of the teachings of an active homosexual (and I don't see it anywhere) it isn't the main emphasis, is it? There is rather more about not being a shit, and not causing pain and injustice by sticking unimaginatively to a load of arbitrary rules, all of which seems to pass you by.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Very funny I am on the train and just received for some reason the Cons party email from the co-chair, Andrew Stephenson, about "what matters to you most".
The couple I'm sitting next to turned to each other and asked - "Is Andrew Stephenson [Cons co-chair] our MP? Why have I just received an email from him?". To which the other said no he's not but I've no idea who is.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
God didn't marry the mother of His only begotten son.
In other news, this is almost positive in the dropping of pretence. Oh well, no doubt saying war is bad and people want peace should do it.
“In the clearest sign that the referendums will go ahead … Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday that Russia had changed the geography in Ukraine, effectively redrawing its borders. He threatened that Moscow would claim even more Ukrainian territory unless the West stopped arming Kyiv.”
What’s fascinating here is complete lack of pretence from Lavrov that this is anything other than an arbitrary land grab—nothing to do with protecting Russians, liberating Donbas etc. It’s 1930/40s style territorial aggrandisement. Chilling vision for Europe & has to be stopped. Shashank Joshi @shashj
Jenkins refers to it as a "border dispute" in his Guardian article.
Simon Jenkins is an ideological pacifist who doesn't believe in any form of defence spending.
He's a good reminder that people who are very clever can have stupid prejudices.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Whoever wins the leadership contest, they may well be thinking: better to go to the country with the excuse of needing a mandate for a new direction /now/ before the winter hits hard followed up by a year or more of grinding recession.
Alternatively, two years is a long time. Maybe something will turn up & it’s better to have the guarantee of two years of power to steer the narrative?
Thoughts?
She would be mad to call a GE because she would lose it and become a byword for loserdom for the rest of time. if she sticks it out she gets 2 years vs 2 months as PM and the chance to hang on as LOTO, whereas if she goes early and loses she is toast.
Ask again if the Tories have a 15% vi lead in September.
What would be the point of electing Labour when they have nothing to say on the col? I'd be happy to give them a go, goodness knows the Tories seem tired, but what for? I cannot think of a single policy they have that would make the country better.
They would find plenty to say in a snap GE campaign. Windfall taxes and nationalisations and wealth taxes.
What Truss policy would make the country better
Truss has signalled that she would prefer fields to be used for growing food rather than for solar panels - I realise her passion for BRITISH CHEESE and PORK MARKETS has been mocked, but I would very much support a pro-food security policy from her. We'll see what materialises. I also agree with amending the NIP unilaterally if other methods prove unfruitful - this is a fundamental issue of the integrity of the Kingdom for me. I don't see Labour sorting that one out. I also favour her pro-energy security agenda - greenlighting new North Sea Oil projects and looking at fracking again. That's again something we won't see from Labour.
Obviously this is all leadership election fluff, but those things are at least a bit encouraging.
"looking at fracking again"
Fracking will only lose the Tories votes. Those fracking sites are nearly all Tory seats, a lot of them not very safe Tory seats.
How’s about if they got a cheque every year, instead of a council tax bill?
That’s the way you deal with fracking, allow local authorities to tax the output.
Fracking wouldn't generate enough to cover the cost of a large school let alone the tax revenue of a local authority...
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Very funny I am on the train and just received for some reason the Cons party email from the co-chair, Andrew Stephenson, about "what matters to you most".
The couple I'm sitting next to turned to each other and asked - "Is Andrew Stephenson [Cons co-chair] our MP? Why have I just received an email from him?". To which the other said no he's not but I've no idea who is.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Before hotel wifi, the choice was usually between porn and the bible.
I liked to alternate to keep things fresh.
What about the rude bits in the bible?
1 Kings 14 has its moments, but I've always found Genesis 17:11 and 19:30-38 to be extremely popular with teenagers.
Also remember that when the mob showed up at Lot's door, he offered his daughters for gang rape if they would go away and leave him alone. Apparently Lot was a "good man"......
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
But the idea of an entirely linear city is rather interesting: it means you can have just a couple of rail tracks running at different speeds, and can reach any point on it, very quickly.
Of course, it will probably be an enormous failure, but at least the Saudi government is spending their money on crazy vanity projects rather than funding Islamic terrorists.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
Before hotel wifi, the choice was usually between porn and the bible.
I liked to alternate to keep things fresh.
What about the rude bits in the bible?
1 Kings 14 has its moments, but I've always found Genesis 17:11 and 19:30-38 to be extremely popular with teenagers.
Also remember that when the mob showed up at Lot's door, he offered his daughters for gang rape if they would go away and leave him alone. Apparently Lot was a "good man"......
Well if Jesus went to Glastonbury it looks like Lot went to Rotherham.
Straight in at no 1 in my loathsome Tory list is the moron Braverman. Pushing Bozo into second place . And if she gets the Home Secretary job expect to hear her beating the drum for a return of the death penalty .
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
There are worse fates for a Gideons Bible. When I was a first year at QMW, my halls was in a tower block in South Woodford. Midway through the year, a strange thing started happening in our tower: deposits would be left. Sometimes in the lift. Sometimes in the stairwell. Sometimes right in the entranceway. The unknown culprit became referred to as "The phantom shi**er of Old London Town."
One night, he did a dump in the Gideons Bible in the communal area, and closed it hard, causing a spray of filth.
He was apparently caught when a rugger player was with his GF, and the lift doors opened to reveal the culprit with his trousers and pants around his ankles, mid-dump.
While we're on the topic of religion, the aspect that irritates me most in this country is the fact that publicly funded schools are still allowed to discriminate admissions based on a child's parents' religious beliefs (or their willingness to feign belief). I mean state schools teaching one religion is correct is objectionable enough, but the admissions criteria (or having a large number of places selected in this way) is just plain wrong.
My wife and I have chosen to dodge this by favouring areas with high quality quality non-religious state schools, but it's surprising how much that rules out.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
But the idea of an entirely linear city is rather interesting: it means you can have just a couple of rail tracks running at different speeds, and can reach any point on it, very quickly.
Of course, it will probably be an enormous failure, but at least the Saudi government is spending their money on crazy vanity projects rather than funding Islamic terrorists.
Can't find one. Is it because that only gets issued when BoE issues new Monetary Policy Report - which didn't happen today.
Really struck by FT saying inflation over 10% until late 2023.
That implies cumulative inflation of way over 20% for the two years to late 2023.
This help
Thanks - though that graph shows energy only contributing 1% to inflation by 2023 Q4 (main line) yet FT says inflation still over 10% in 2023 Q4 - implying huge contribution from OTHER sources.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
If Jesus directed Source Code he's a genius.
Moon really pisses me off. Probably very good, but why is there only one of him, not 3 to cover for illness? And something makes a sound in a vacuum in the opening 5 minutes. Probably a brilliant film but I can't watch it.
Whoever wins the leadership contest, they may well be thinking: better to go to the country with the excuse of needing a mandate for a new direction /now/ before the winter hits hard followed up by a year or more of grinding recession.
Alternatively, two years is a long time. Maybe something will turn up & it’s better to have the guarantee of two years of power to steer the narrative?
Thoughts?
She would be mad to call a GE because she would lose it and become a byword for loserdom for the rest of time. if she sticks it out she gets 2 years vs 2 months as PM and the chance to hang on as LOTO, whereas if she goes early and loses she is toast.
Ask again if the Tories have a 15% vi lead in September.
What would be the point of electing Labour when they have nothing to say on the col? I'd be happy to give them a go, goodness knows the Tories seem tired, but what for? I cannot think of a single policy they have that would make the country better.
They would find plenty to say in a snap GE campaign. Windfall taxes and nationalisations and wealth taxes.
What Truss policy would make the country better
Truss has signalled that she would prefer fields to be used for growing food rather than for solar panels - I realise her passion for BRITISH CHEESE and PORK MARKETS has been mocked, but I would very much support a pro-food security policy from her. We'll see what materialises. I also agree with amending the NIP unilaterally if other methods prove unfruitful - this is a fundamental issue of the integrity of the Kingdom for me. I don't see Labour sorting that one out. I also favour her pro-energy security agenda - greenlighting new North Sea Oil projects and looking at fracking again. That's again something we won't see from Labour.
Obviously this is all leadership election fluff, but those things are at least a bit encouraging.
"looking at fracking again"
Fracking will only lose the Tories votes. Those fracking sites are nearly all Tory seats, a lot of them not very safe Tory seats.
How’s about if they got a cheque every year, instead of a council tax bill?
That’s the way you deal with fracking, allow local authorities to tax the output.
But does that work economically? Is there enough profit to keep all the householders happy? And what do you do with householders unhappy with the mini-earthquakes before the money starts coming in?
It looks like another Russian ship *may* have had another unfortunate accident in the Black Sea.
Though such claims have been made before; some have been true (Moskva et al), whilst others have not. But it appears something is burning - I just hope it's not a grain ship...
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
But it is the law of the land, as signed off by the Head of the Church, that same-sex marriages can occur. So why is the Established Church in England allowing its priests to ignore the law of the land? What's the point of Erastianism if you aren't going to do it properly?
Yes but civil law is distinct from theological law. In time I expect the church of England will allow priests to conduct gay marriages or not based on individual conscience as some parts of the Anglican Communion already do but we are not there yet
But Church and State are not distinct and separate in the English polity. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" does not mean putting Caesar in charge of the things that are God's.
You are saying one thing on one hand and something quite different on another hand. Christ had a word for this. Hypocrisy.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
But the idea of an entirely linear city is rather interesting: it means you can have just a couple of rail tracks running at different speeds, and can reach any point on it, very quickly.
Of course, it will probably be an enormous failure, but at least the Saudi government is spending their money on crazy vanity projects rather than funding Islamic terrorists.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Never made much sense that. I mean, I presume Christians with this position acknowledge that people get married all around the world, with Muslim weddings, Jewish weddings, Hindu weddings, Buddhist weddings, Sikh weddings, Druze weddings, Mandaean weddings, Shinto weddings, atheist weddings and more. But presumably they don’t recognise any of these as being valid marriages as they’re not in front of (the right) God. So if you’re going to put up with billions of godless marriages anyway, what’s a few more same sex marriages going to do? Clearly marriage is bigger than your religion.
If you want to police what happens in your religion, sure, decide who your clergy can marry, but you’ve already lost control of marriage in a wider sense, so why stick your nose in one type of godless event and not another?
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
If Jesus directed Source Code he's a genius.
Moon really pisses me off. Probably very good, but why is there only one of him, not 3 to cover for illness? And something makes a sound in a vacuum in the opening 5 minutes. Probably a brilliant film but I can't watch it.
It’s a good film at the right time but I never understood why they only sent one “clone”. If you can clone people then it’s surely more efficient to send a load of clones to do more work than just one and replace them all at same time.
Many hands make light work apparently - or so they say at the last manual car wash I went to.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
Straight in at no 1 in my loathsome Tory list is the moron Braverman. Pushing Bozo into second place . And if she gets the Home Secretary job expect to hear her beating the drum for a return of the death penalty .
Her sect actively campaigns against the death penalty in the US. No idea what her personal views are, but seems tough to reconcile.
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1555208959090384896 Over the course of the last few months, I have spoken to Ukrainians every single day, from all walks of life. In that time, in those thousands of conversations, not one, not once, no matter how much they had lost, ever expressed anything other than resolute determination to fight…
… The second point gets to the heart of why the calls from voices on the British left for a Ukrainian capitulation are so out of sync with Ukrainians. They don't see this as a "border dispute", they see this as a war for liberty, democracy and their future place in Europe.
If you are going to make a call for a negotiated settlement of any kind, that requires first and foremost asking Ukrainians what they want. Ukrainians are being systematically shut out of conversations about their own future. It's unacceptable…
Can't find one. Is it because that only gets issued when BoE issues new Monetary Policy Report - which didn't happen today.
Really struck by FT saying inflation over 10% until late 2023.
That implies cumulative inflation of way over 20% for the two years to late 2023.
This help
Thanks - though that graph shows energy only contributing 1% to inflation by 2023 Q4 (main line) yet FT says inflation still over 10% in 2023 Q4 - implying huge contribution from OTHER sources.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
As a registered charity, giving them away free, I think they’re unlikely to sue. Almost certainly it’s not theft in any event.
HYUFD continues to have very odd ideas.
Does the Bible remain the property of the Gideons, or is the Bible the property of the hotel (gifted to them by the Gideons)? This is going to matter in terms of who sues.
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1555208959090384896 Over the course of the last few months, I have spoken to Ukrainians every single day, from all walks of life. In that time, in those thousands of conversations, not one, not once, no matter how much they had lost, ever expressed anything other than resolute determination to fight…
… The second point gets to the heart of why the calls from voices on the British left for a Ukrainian capitulation are so out of sync with Ukrainians. They don't see this as a "border dispute", they see this as a war for liberty, democracy and their future place in Europe.
If you are going to make a call for a negotiated settlement of any kind, that requires first and foremost asking Ukrainians what they want. Ukrainians are being systematically shut out of conversations about their own future. It's unacceptable…
Can't find one. Is it because that only gets issued when BoE issues new Monetary Policy Report - which didn't happen today.
Really struck by FT saying inflation over 10% until late 2023.
That implies cumulative inflation of way over 20% for the two years to late 2023.
This help
Thanks - though that graph shows energy only contributing 1% to inflation by 2023 Q4 (main line) yet FT says inflation still over 10% in 2023 Q4 - implying huge contribution from OTHER sources.
But the idea of an entirely linear city is rather interesting: it means you can have just a couple of rail tracks running at different speeds, and can reach any point on it, very quickly.
Of course, it will probably be an enormous failure, but at least the Saudi government is spending their money on crazy vanity projects rather than funding Islamic terrorists.
It will almost certainly be a complete failure.
It would be far better if they converted the desert into a giant solar grid for the world rather than indulge in Blade Runner/Snowpiercer fantasies.
Can't find one. Is it because that only gets issued when BoE issues new Monetary Policy Report - which didn't happen today.
Really struck by FT saying inflation over 10% until late 2023.
That implies cumulative inflation of way over 20% for the two years to late 2023.
There is a new MPR today, they are issued in Feb, May, Aug and Nov. Inflation is high until September 2023 because of the huge utility price increase in October this year, which will stay in the 12 month inflation rate until next September.
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
The Christian cult which believes in physically attacking gay people does not have 2.8 billion members.
He was referring to the whole religion
I was. Most Anglicans are in Africa thought and the vast majority of African Anglicans are homophobic.
You should try African Muslims, Catholics and evangelicals who make up the majority of the continent
Yes, but the edicts of the popes and mullahs are nothing to do with me whereas as an Englishman I have a degree of deeply unwanted vicarious responsibility for the imbecilic maunderings of that drooling arsewipe Welby, who has pretty much guaranteed lynchings and murderings which would not otherwise take place.
What a load of rubbish, he has said he will not take action against priests who conduct gay weddings, even if the Anglican church overall sticks to the scriptural line held by the majority of the Anglican communion.
Indeed it is not a million miles away from the compromise over women priests, where churches do not have to have them if they don't wish
I'm obviously not as well read on the scripture as you but where does it say in the scripture that gay marriage is not allowed.
There is plenty in the Old Testament and Paul against homosexuality, even if Jesus doesn't mention it
So as a Christian (Judeo Christian I believe you described yourself) are you against gay marriage?
Not personally no but many Christians and indeed many Muslims and Jews too are and that also has to be respected
So how can you be a Christian if you disagree with the Anglican church?
I don't, the Archbishop made clear he would not punish Anglican ministers who conduct gay marriages.
There is also a distinction between gay marriage in civil law which I now accept and in religious law which I am not as committed to, although you can still have a blessing
You said gay marriage (and homosexuality) was against the scriptures and told me various parts of the bible where it was explicitly condemned.
But as you are against gay marriage in religious law perhaps we are getting to your real thoughts on the matter.
Personally I always favoured civil unions not marriage as the latter is a religious term but we are where we are
So.
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Actually most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage, Cameron only got it through with Labour and LD votes.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
You think that is something they should be proud of ?
If they were of religious conviction that marriage is only between a man and woman for life, yes
Don't you think your boy Jesus would have been more open minded?
Jesus was a carpenter from Royal stock. Son of a god. He’d have an old warehouse in Hoxton turning out wooden penny farthings now and nobody would bat an eyelid at his intense relationship with a load of other beardy guys and a prostitue.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
If Jesus directed Source Code he's a genius.
Moon really pisses me off. Probably very good, but why is there only one of him, not 3 to cover for illness? And something makes a sound in a vacuum in the opening 5 minutes. Probably a brilliant film but I can't watch it.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
There are worse fates for a Gideons Bible. When I was a first year at QMW, my halls was in a tower block in South Woodford. Midway through the year, a strange thing started happening in our tower: deposits would be left. Sometimes in the lift. Sometimes in the stairwell. Sometimes right in the entranceway. The unknown culprit became referred to as "The phantom shi**er of Old London Town."
One night, he did a dump in the Gideons Bible in the communal area, and closed it hard, causing a spray of filth.
He was apparently caught when a rugger player was with his GF, and the lift doors opened to reveal the culprit with his trousers and pants around his ankles, mid-dump.
I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.
As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?
Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.
But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!
I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?
If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
Serious answer is that there's a missionary charity that puts them there on the basis that people have nothing else to do in hotel rooms. But you are meant to leave them there for the next occupant. There's more about them here;
“I have had several credible death threats over the years, sometimes requiring the very kind assistance of the police hate crime squad.
“Each and every one of those threats has come from an evangelical Christian. Inevitably they have wanted to kill me on God’s behalf.”
And if this gets death threats over here, imagine what it will do in Nigeria.
Odd stance for a cult based around an overtly homosexual shaman to take.
Some cult which has 2.8 billion members
Are you suggesting that the key criteria of a cult is how many people are followers? Christianity is safe there but a few other faiths might not qualify depending on where you set the line.
My understanding of the definition of a cult is not based on numbers. I am a (lapsed) Roman Catholic, but I think you can refer to Christianity as a cult when using a pure definition. That said the word "cult" is normally used in a pejorative way, so I can understand HYUFD being offended. When most people think of cults they think of the Moonies, or Scientology.
Evangelical religion should be treated as a mental illness.... heck, ALL religion should be. Talking to imaginary friends is something you are supposed to grow out of by primary school.
Absolutely not, commitment to God and Christ as a guiding force for your life is vital and leads you to eternal life far greater than this one
No it's not. There is no life greater than this one. This is all you get, so make the most of THIS life. The decisions you make are yours alone. No one is guiding you and no devil is misleading you. The responsibility for all that you do stops with you.
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That’s the way you deal with fracking, allow local authorities to tax the output.
It’s a thing of beauty whether you believe or not and a masterpiece of prose possibly up ther with the Canterbury Tales in the history of literature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gideons_International
You disagree with gay marriage which the Conservative Party is in favour of and the Church of England is against.
You are compromising your beliefs somewhere. You either belong in one or the other. Or you have wholly malleable beliefs which change depending on what day of the week it is or who happens to have your attention.
Plus don't get me started on the fact that you voted Remain.
Enjoy the Elvis show.
Even if they haven't bothered to try and reverse it
ETA and "property belonging to another."
https://gideonsinternational.org.uk/2021/10/13/the-gideons-in-the-uk/
How pitiful a story is that? The whole thing in the UK fell apart because a minority opposed the majority wish to delete the rule that allows only men, not women, to be members?
I liked to alternate to keep things fresh.
Oh, and @Cyclefree I'd highly recommend both of these tomato varieties (I think you asked for top tumbling types earlier in the year?) - Cherry Fountain, and Tumbling Tom Yellow. Both were bought from Waitrose for £2.49 each, and supplied to them by Suttons
Your party is pro-leave but you are a remainer; it is pro-gay marriage and you are against it.
Yes of course you respect the decision, blah, blah but we are talking about your beliefs. You believe that it was best for the UK to stay in the EU and you believe that gay marriage is wrong.
Respecting the will of the majority is irrelevant unless you tell me you will be an enthusiastic Labour Party supporter should they win the next General Election.
So you have some thinking to do young fella. Plus you didn't tell us if you are headed for heaven or hell when it's all over.
Like these (content warning: flags)
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/images/operations/unifier/AK03-2019-0083-023.jpg
I hope you have a great evening.
allegedly
The couple I'm sitting next to turned to each other and asked - "Is Andrew Stephenson [Cons co-chair] our MP? Why have I just received an email from him?". To which the other said no he's not but I've no idea who is.
He's a good reminder that people who are very clever can have stupid prejudices.
Can't find one. Is it because that only gets issued when BoE issues new Monetary Policy Report - which didn't happen today.
Really struck by FT saying inflation over 10% until late 2023.
That implies cumulative inflation of way over 20% for the two years to late 2023.
He was the original hipster. Good old family, famous name, major contacts - even went on one of those desert breaks to find himself.
Basically Viscount Linley crossed with Zowie Bowie/Duncan Jones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gideons_International
As a registered charity, giving them away free, I think they’re unlikely to sue.
Almost certainly it’s not theft in any event.
HYUFD continues to have very odd ideas.
If you want an overview of how stupid it is watch the How would Manhattan look video at https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline?
But the idea of an entirely linear city is rather interesting: it means you can have just a couple of rail tracks running at different speeds, and can reach any point on it, very quickly.
Of course, it will probably be an enormous failure, but at least the Saudi government is spending their money on crazy vanity projects rather than funding Islamic terrorists.
Liverpool - Manchester - Leeds - Hull.
You could even add the north Wales resorts.
One night, he did a dump in the Gideons Bible in the communal area, and closed it hard, causing a spray of filth.
He was apparently caught when a rugger player was with his GF, and the lift doors opened to reveal the culprit with his trousers and pants around his ankles, mid-dump.
Some people are weird.
My wife and I have chosen to dodge this by favouring areas with high quality quality non-religious state schools, but it's surprising how much that rules out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City
Though such claims have been made before; some have been true (Moskva et al), whilst others have not. But it appears something is burning - I just hope it's not a grain ship...
You are saying one thing on one hand and something quite different on another hand. Christ had a word for this. Hypocrisy.
https://twitter.com/AllegraStratton/status/1555230630790799362
If you want to police what happens in your religion, sure, decide who your clergy can marry, but you’ve already lost control of marriage in a wider sense, so why stick your nose in one type of godless event and not another?
Many hands make light work apparently - or so they say at the last manual car wash I went to.
Source Code is a great film utterly, utterly ruined by the ending
Apparently loads of sport going on but both BBC1 and BBC3 just have talking heads and interviews with members of the public.
Shut up. No-one cares. Cut to the sport.
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1555208959090384896
Over the course of the last few months, I have spoken to Ukrainians every single day, from all walks of life. In that time, in those thousands of conversations, not one, not once, no matter how much they had lost, ever expressed anything other than resolute determination to fight…
… The second point gets to the heart of why the calls from voices on the British left for a Ukrainian capitulation are so out of sync with Ukrainians. They don't see this as a "border dispute", they see this as a war for liberty, democracy and their future place in Europe.
If you are going to make a call for a negotiated settlement of any kind, that requires first and foremost asking Ukrainians what they want. Ukrainians are being systematically shut out of conversations about their own future. It's unacceptable…
Though that appears to show Q4 2023 as under 6%.
That graph almost appears to be designed to not be read with any detailed level of precision!
Not that I can imagine any of them bothering.
It would be far better if they converted the desert into a giant solar grid for the world rather than indulge in Blade Runner/Snowpiercer fantasies.
In Pornhub World.
(Or so I'm told.
By TSE.)