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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Kay has chopped Liz's legs from under her with the windfall tax question. She's struggling.

    Like a fish on the bank, gasping for air.

    Kay gets a load of abuse but she is kebabing Truss.

  • ohnotnow said:

    I've said this before but Liz Truss sounds like she is speaking French: her sentences are broken into short phrases with the emphasis at the end and a pause before the next phrase.

    I admit, if she had a French accent I'd be more tempted to vote for her. If she sounded like Marlene Dietrich I'd be a voter-shaped puddle on the floor.
    I hate to break it to you but Marlene Dietrich was not necessarily French.
    Neither was Michelle form the Resistance in 'Allo 'Allo! Even stil...
    You think Michelle from the Resistance was an SOE agent? It is possible but they were mainly Anglo-French.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Kay has chopped Liz's legs from under her with the windfall tax question. She's struggling.

    Like a fish on the bank, gasping for air.

    Kay gets a load of abuse but she is kebabing Truss.

    Truss trussed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    It's lucky that almost no voting tory members will be watching sky news tonight because Truss is being absolutely hammered.

  • Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    Christ, she is going down faster than a lift.

    Are you saying she's blown it?
  • ohnotnow said:

    I've said this before but Liz Truss sounds like she is speaking French: her sentences are broken into short phrases with the emphasis at the end and a pause before the next phrase.

    I admit, if she had a French accent I'd be more tempted to vote for her. If she sounded like Marlene Dietrich I'd be a voter-shaped puddle on the floor.
    I hate to break it to you but Marlene Dietrich was not necessarily French.
    Neither was Michelle form the Resistance in 'Allo 'Allo! Even stil...
    You think Michelle from the Resistance was an SOE agent? It is possible but they were mainly Anglo-French.
    I don't know. But as long as she keeps talking, I don't think I care.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    Just got interesting: Liz Truss had to get involved to break up two audience members who were having a go at each other.

    Mr Offended wasn't having it.
    I loved (awkward pause) "..what's that suppose to mean?"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    ydoethur said:

    Christ, she is going down faster than a lift.

    Are you saying she's blown it?
    I doubt anything that happens now will blow it for her. The membership it seems have made their minds up.

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
    Hmm, someone who doesn’t like their former handle being used, and will mark posts off topic that do it. using a different posters former handles at them.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
    Hmm, someone who doesn’t like their former handle being used, and will mark posts off topic that do it. using a different posters former handles at them.
    Killer point, Tazboi. Nothing gets past you does it? Hmm indeed.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited August 2022
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
    Hmm, someone who doesn’t like their former handle being used, and will mark posts off topic that do it. using a different posters former handles at them.

    Fair point, I apologise.

    I deliberately didn't use his real life name, but I appreciate that may not be a distinction that means much to everyone, so apologies.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Kay overplaying the being a c..t to Truss hand
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    kle4 said:

    In other news, this is almost positive in the dropping of pretence. Oh well, no doubt saying war is bad and people want peace should do it.

    “In the clearest sign that the referendums will go ahead … Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday that Russia had changed the geography in Ukraine, effectively redrawing its borders. He threatened that Moscow would claim even more Ukrainian territory unless the West stopped arming Kyiv.”

    What’s fascinating here is complete lack of pretence from Lavrov that this is anything other than an arbitrary land grab—nothing to do with protecting Russians, liberating Donbas etc. It’s 1930/40s style territorial aggrandisement. Chilling vision for Europe & has to be stopped.
    Shashank Joshi
    @shashj

    What kind of lunatic wants to negotiate with that?
    Perhaps he might listen to Reason?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    Rishi: "I won't pull out because I'm fighting for something I really believe in."
  • Betfair next prime minister
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    Before tonight's leadership debate (8pm Sky News and Youtube):-

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    1.1 Liz Truss 91%
    11 Rishi Sunak 9%
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022
    Box D in the BoE report;

    “The majority of all household deposits – around two thirds – are in instant access accounts. Interest rates on these are up by only around 30 basis points since November compared to the more marked increase in fixed-rate bonds (Table 1), which account for a smaller share of household deposits. The limited increase in instant access rates has turned the spread between these rates and Bank Rate negative (Chart B )”

    Basically telling us what we already knew. The banks are taking the piss with their savings rates.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
    Hmm, someone who doesn’t like their former handle being used, and will mark posts off topic that do it. using a different posters former handles at them.

    Fair point, I apologise.

    I deliberately didn't use his real life name, but I appreciate that may not be a distinction that means much to everyone, so apologies.
    Classy reply Bart, Kudos to you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    I must admit I thought it overly pessimistic as well too.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited August 2022

    BBC piss me off.

    Apparently loads of sport going on but both BBC1 and BBC3 just have talking heads and interviews with members of the public.

    Shut up. No-one cares. Cut to the sport.

    Agree on all fronts. It’s not hard to do - it needs to be effectively Grandstand like the old days.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

    He's very polished and slick.

    I think he might have just sold me a timeshare.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Liz needs to do much more on energy this Winter - we're talking temporary nationalisations or gas rationing with the potential price rises we're seeing.

    I think she's too free market to see this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    @heimbergecon
    The oil price (Crude oil WTI) has dropped below $90 per barrel for the first time since the start of the war in Ukraine.


    image

    https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1555220791335288833
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Has he just admitted to doing loads of coke" as a kid?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    The UK has a linear city, sort of.

    Liverpool - Manchester - Leeds - Hull.

    You could even add the north Wales resorts.

    Perhaps we could turn the M1 into a city. Have continuous services providing shopping and leisure, and have elevated housing overlooking the adjacent fields for the country lifestyle experience.
    Some urban planner tried to do that with Princes Street in Edinburgh - only the other way round, add the motorway last.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Has he just admitted to doing loads of coke" as a kid?

    I don't think the marching powder gives you fillings.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    What you have to realise is 'a recession' just means nominal GDP (i.e. in pounds and pence) growing less quickly than inflation. When inflation is going up close to 20% in two years, it doesn't take much for the economy to fall behind.

    For what it's worth, the Bank of England needs to predict a recession in order for their policy of interest rates at only 1.75% when inflation is 5x that to make any sense under their mandate of price stability. So they may just be wrong, notwithstanding my first paragraph.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Fair play to Kay B - she has done her homework and is on top of this.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.

    As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
    Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?

    Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.

    But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
    Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
    Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!

    I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?

    If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
    It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
    In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
    It is, the Gideons may not be that bothered if you took it away to read but certainly would be if you binned it. The hotel could certainly seek to get you prosecuted for theft from its property
    Maybe I started reading it, but the storyline in the first chapter seemed to be so incredible that even Leon wouldn’t have believed it? So I binned it.
    I binned it when I got to the second chapter and it was just another bloke telling the same story.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    I've said this before but Liz Truss sounds like she is speaking French: her sentences are broken into short phrases with the emphasis at the end and a pause before the next phrase.

    Isn't that a Mrs T thing? Or does memory deceive me?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

    He's very polished and slick.

    I think he might have just sold me a timeshare.
    Genuine LOL.

    Was it in Richmondshire?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,761
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Gordon's? Is that the place near Charing Cross?

    The difficulty the BoE have and economists have more generally is that they haven't the slightest idea how economics works.

    London is madly busy in some areas. I had lunch in the City today - beforehand I looked about a bit. It's all change. However in the City there's nobody really there - the streets are quiet. It's weird.

    For those with long memories I'd just like to say a few words for the departed establishments.

    Marmiton - great little French place that was entirely happy to just bill you by business card.
    Tsatsuso - Perhaps the best Japanese place ever in London
    The Pavillion - Finsbury Circus seems lost without it
    Whatever the restaurant was in Finsbury Square - now some chain.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    edited August 2022
    Sunak's Alan Partridge-isms are getting more and more exaggerated as the contest goes on.

    - What are you going to do about Channel crossings?
    - Yes!!!!!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    We also need to start believing in god and heaven again. Everyone is terrified of dying because they are like Phil Larkin in aubade. They think death is an eternity of nullity. Forever not existing. Get a grip you atheist wankers

    That's funny because while you might keep your head during the pandemic I seem to recall a whole swathe of madly terrified Christians on this site like Eadric, Bryonic, LadyG etc who were utterly terrified. While a fair few atheists on this site were far more accepting of risk.

    Unlike you this atheist is not terrified of death, death is the end of our story but life is for the living.
    Hmm, someone who doesn’t like their former handle being used, and will mark posts off topic that do it. using a different posters former handles at them.

    Fair point, I apologise.

    I deliberately didn't use his real life name, but I appreciate that may not be a distinction that means much to everyone, so apologies.
    I enjoyed your post and you didn't dox anyone so not sure an apology was necessary in my opinion. Not the same as someone using your real name. But classy apology anyway.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!

    Slightly spooky to consider he made his test debut before both Strauss (2004) and Cook (2006) - both of whom are long retired.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    "lefty lawyers" - very disappointing
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

    He's very polished and slick.

    I think he might have just sold me a timeshare.
    He’s really working the audience well

    He’s very confident too. Probably as he knows he has nothing to lose.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,064
    biggles said:


    BBC piss me off.

    Apparently loads of sport going on but both BBC1 and BBC3 just have talking heads and interviews with members of the public.

    Shut up. No-one cares. Cut to the sport.

    Agree on all fronts. It’s not hard to do - it needs to be effectively Grandstand like the old days.
    I am watching the Commonwealth Games on the BBC. it has been mostly sport. No interviews with the public. A bit of talking heads between events. You’ll complaining about some fantasy, not the reality.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Lay Sunak.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022
    Starmer GUILTY of breaching MPs code of conduct but gets slap on the wrist because he didnt mean to be naughty on 8 separate occasions
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1555277987863478274?t=0KlpCM4qGkyeJ2wl0OR3HQ&s=19
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Taz said:

    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

    He's very polished and slick.

    I think he might have just sold me a timeshare.
    He’s really working the audience well

    He’s very confident too. Probably as he knows he has nothing to lose.
    They are all asking him "great questions".
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    Lay Sunak.

    Oh, is *that* the naughtiest thing she's ever done? I'm surprised she wasn't willing to say given she's busy fucking him over.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    I must admit I thought it overly pessimistic as well too.
    In your view what is more realistic then ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    The economy of the UK is not generally representatively sampled by what happens in central London.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    @heimbergecon
    The oil price (Crude oil WTI) has dropped below $90 per barrel for the first time since the start of the war in Ukraine.


    https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1555220791335288833

    Natural Gas still insanely high though
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    Even in the 1929-30s depression many people & places thrived. It is economically lumpy.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    I didn't expect Kay Burley to flummox Sunak with a bit of Latin.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    ydoethur said:

    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!

    Slightly spooky to consider he made his test debut before both Strauss (2004) and Cook (2006) - both of whom are long retired.
    Hes gone through 8 captains
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,652
    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Spend money now while it is still worth something is one of the lessons of inflation.

    And for those with foreign exchange, particularly dollars it isn't so bad.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    @heimbergecon
    The oil price (Crude oil WTI) has dropped below $90 per barrel for the first time since the start of the war in Ukraine.


    image

    https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1555220791335288833

    Good news for countries who have oil priced linked gas contests... like the UK does with Norway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    OMG. Finally Sunak finds some passion about Pincher and Johnson
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Is it me or is every question from a middle aged white male?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    Sunak's Alan Partridge-isms are getting more and more exaggerated as the contest goes on.

    - What are you going to do about Channel crossings?
    - Yes!!!!!

    "See you in Strasbourg!"
  • Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    Suspect/fear that there's a massive Two Nations effect incoming. If you have cash to spare and a place you own, the inflation will be unpleasant, but it hasn't happened yet, and it won't be too bad.

    If money has been tight for years, and you rent... oof.

    Kind of like how Metroland and the Jarrow marches coexisted. Hopefully, not as bad.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Lay Sunak.

    Not value at 10
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    ohnotnow said:

    I've said this before but Liz Truss sounds like she is speaking French: her sentences are broken into short phrases with the emphasis at the end and a pause before the next phrase.

    I admit, if she had a French accent I'd be more tempted to vote for her. If she sounded like Marlene Dietrich I'd be a voter-shaped puddle on the floor.
    I hate to break it to you but Marlene Dietrich was not necessarily French.
    She was not necessarily attracted to podgy middle-aged men either. But I still have my dreams.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    I like his tie.

    Shallow, I know.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!

    Slightly spooky to consider he made his test debut before both Strauss (2004) and Cook (2006) - both of whom are long retired.
    Hes gone through 8 captains
    Hussain, Vaughan, Flintoff, Pietersen, Strauss, Cook, Root, Stokes.

    And there was a ninth captain in that time but he didn't play in either of those tests.

    Weird also to consider that for the first five years of his international career he was very much on the fringes of the side, largely due to chronic mismanagement, which saw his bowling average balloon to around 38. Which makes his overall record all the more remarkable.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Taz said:

    Sunak just does not come across as really sincere or empathetic or connecting.

    Harsh.

    I am sure he is in reality.

    But that's not how it comes across.

    He would be a better PM but he is not a better campaigner.

    But politics at the highest level is brutal.

    He's very polished and slick.

    I think he might have just sold me a timeshare.
    He’s really working the audience well

    He’s very confident too. Probably as he knows he has nothing to lose.
    They are all asking him "great questions".
    Very true. Flatter your audience and they will be onside
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Nigelb said:

    .

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    I’ve never understood what’s so interesting about a particular dusty book written in the dusty olive groves several millennia ago. Plenty of more interesting books have been written since.

    As it is the book and the guide to Christian life and eternal life
    Perhaps you can help with a first world problem?

    Whenever I stay in a hotel with a bible in the bedside cabinet, I take it out in the evening and drop it in some roadside bin. I’d hang onto it, but nowadays I really don’t light enough fires to need so much spare paper.

    But am I doing the wrong thing? If the hotel simply buys more from whatever publishing house is churning out these things, am I actually fuelling the bible printing industry? Or perhaps the hotel won’t bother to check and the lucky subsequent occupants of my room will be spared the unwanted propaganda?
    Yes you are doing the wrong thing and you could be reported for theft
    Well, that’s a left field answer that I wasn’t expecting!

    I thought the idea was that some gullible dolt would actually take it away, and that the deluded ramblings of some first century shepherds, as recollected and carefully edited hundreds of years later, might convert them into an extra Christian?

    If the idea is to take it away, how can taking it away be theft?
    It was property belonging to another, the hotel, taken away. They are meant to be read on site
    In all seriousness, I am not sure that this is correct.
    Likely distributed by the UK branch of the Gideons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gideons_International

    As a registered charity, giving them away free, I think they’re unlikely to sue.
    Almost certainly it’s not theft in any event.

    HYUFD continues to have very odd ideas.
    Does the Bible remain the property of the Gideons, or is the Bible the property of the hotel (gifted to them by the Gideons)? This is going to matter in terms of who sues.

    Not that I can imagine any of them bothering.

    Social pressure only.
    https://www.bestwesternsiestakey.com/can-you-take-home-the-bible-from-your-hotel-room/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Is it me or is every question from a middle aged white male?

    The bloke who didn't know the h in honesty is silent was not white
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    CatMan said:

    Sunak's Alan Partridge-isms are getting more and more exaggerated as the contest goes on.

    - What are you going to do about Channel crossings?
    - Yes!!!!!

    "See you in Strasbourg!"
    Cashback !
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,652
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    London will cope best with the recession because it has a resilient economy based around on Remainer oriented financial and cultural business. It is the wild lands of Leaverstan that will be knawing on their last frozen turnip in the frost.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Sunak can't shut up. More mansplaining. He answered Kay on tax and she moved on, but he couldn't stop waffling on, and she got him on the rebound.
  • Starmer GUILTY of breaching MPs code of conduct but gets slap on the wrist because he didnt mean to be naughty on 8 separate occasions
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1555277987863478274?t=0KlpCM4qGkyeJ2wl0OR3HQ&s=19

    The number of MPs, including party leaders, on all sides who have been caught out not updating the register of interests in a timely manner suggests there might be a systemic problem with administration of the register.

    Or it might be that some are deliberately hiding interests. Both could be true.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    biggles said:


    BBC piss me off.

    Apparently loads of sport going on but both BBC1 and BBC3 just have talking heads and interviews with members of the public.

    Shut up. No-one cares. Cut to the sport.

    Agree on all fronts. It’s not hard to do - it needs to be effectively Grandstand like the old days.
    I am watching the Commonwealth Games on the BBC. it has been mostly sport. No interviews with the public. A bit of talking heads between events. You’ll complaining about some fantasy, not the reality.
    What I posted was entirely accurate when I posted it. My wife and I switched off after nearly 10 minutes of it.

    You simply reflexively defended the BBC because you perceived an attack on it from "The Right", and that's the only level at which your puny brain can engage.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Sunak saying he wants to reward "hard work" which is why he wants to cut Income Tax.

    If "hard work" is to be rewarded, why raise National Insurance that is only paid by those who work, while cutting Income Tax which is paid by those who don't?

    We all know why, the client vote.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    @Independent
    🚨 Breaking: Sir Keir Starmer found to have breached MPs’ code of conduct eight times


    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1555271240172060672
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!

    Slightly spooky to consider he made his test debut before both Strauss (2004) and Cook (2006) - both of whom are long retired.
    Hes gone through 8 captains
    Hussain, Vaughan, Flintoff, Pietersen, Strauss, Cook, Root, Stokes.

    And there was a ninth captain in that time but he didn't play in either of those tests.

    Weird also to consider that for the first five years of his international career he was very much on the fringes of the side, largely due to chronic mismanagement, which saw his bowling average balloon to around 38. Which makes his overall record all the more remarkable.
    Yes they did some stupid remodelling of his action. He could have taken out Warne in wickets but for that i think. As it is i think he will retire just short of Warney
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I didn't expect Kay Burley to flummox Sunak with a bit of Latin.

    She didn't. I hadn't a clue what she was on about, nor did the audience.
  • Is it me or is every question from a middle aged white male?

    It is you. There have been lady questioners and non-White questioners. It might be that most questioners are middle-aged White men but not all of them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    Sunak's Alan Partridge-isms are getting more and more exaggerated as the contest goes on.

    - What are you going to do about Channel crossings?
    - Yes!!!!!

    "Twaaat! That was liquid Rwanda!!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Starmer GUILTY of breaching MPs code of conduct but gets slap on the wrist because he didnt mean to be naughty on 8 separate occasions
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1555277987863478274?t=0KlpCM4qGkyeJ2wl0OR3HQ&s=19

    The number of MPs, including party leaders, on all sides who have been caught out not updating the register of interests in a timely manner suggests there might be a systemic problem with administration of the register.

    Or it might be that some are deliberately hiding interests. Both could be true.
    I agree.
    However it is a highly amusing failure of the Integritron. 8 times. Feckin chancer
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    London will cope best with the recession because it has a resilient economy based around on Remainer oriented financial and cultural business. It is the wild lands of Leaverstan that will be knawing on their last frozen turnip in the frost.
    Frozen turnips you say?

    Where is @malcolmg when one needs a professional opinion?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Off topic (very!)
    Just been doing some pointless pondering over the remarkable career of Jimmy Anderson.
    When he debuted in 2003, Nasser Hussain was captain(!) And also in the side was Alec Stewart. Both debuted in Feb 1990 in the West Indies so Jimmy has a direct teammate link to the 1990 tour of the Windies (32 years ago). In that team was Graham Gooch who debuted in the Ashes series of 1975 so Jimmy is just one step from the Lillee, Thomson, David Steele fun and games 47 years ago and if you wamt to go one handshake further, the GOAT is just 2 steps from John Edrich's test debut in 1963 in a team featuring Dexter, Cowdrey, Titmus and Trueman.

    I find that quite incredible!

    Slightly spooky to consider he made his test debut before both Strauss (2004) and Cook (2006) - both of whom are long retired.
    Hes gone through 8 captains
    Hussain, Vaughan, Flintoff, Pietersen, Strauss, Cook, Root, Stokes.

    And there was a ninth captain in that time but he didn't play in either of those tests.

    Weird also to consider that for the first five years of his international career he was very much on the fringes of the side, largely due to chronic mismanagement, which saw his bowling average balloon to around 38. Which makes his overall record all the more remarkable.
    Yes they did some stupid remodelling of his action. He could have taken out Warne in wickets but for that i think. As it is i think he will retire just short of Warney
    Well, he might, but equally if he had bowled more when he was younger he might not have lasted as long as he has. Bear in mind, until he was 27 he'd played very little first class cricket, which meant he was still superfit and less prone to injury than most fast bowlers. Look at the tragic counterexample of Jofra Archer for what can go wrong.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    One for @Leon:

    The Summer special of New Statesman has a long piece on Hillbilly JD Vance and his plans for a war on "woke capital".

    As I posted months ago, one day he will almost certainly run for POTUS.

    He might well win.

    Some of the people on alt-right, MAGA wing of GOP that he associates with are plain barking mad. Does he believe their horseshit or is it just a route to power?

    Vance has jumped his shark, I think.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    IshmaelZ said:

    I didn't expect Kay Burley to flummox Sunak with a bit of Latin.

    She didn't. I hadn't a clue what she was on about, nor did the audience.
    Even I understood that and I failed O Level English Lit!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    The economy of the UK is not generally representatively sampled by what happens in central London.
    I hear you but I am old enough to remember the deep recessions of the 80s 90s and noughties, and they were all detectable beforehand in central London. The anxiety comes first

    This feels very different. London (and it's not just central London) is in pandemic recovery mode, and everybody is simply glad to be out, and they are spending freely and eagerly, or so it seems. There is data to back this up: Covid means a lot of people have saved money for two years, and now they want to enjoy life, and fuck the future

    I wonder if this post-plague hedonism might avert the recession. People want to SPEND before they die
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Nigelb said:

    One for @Leon:

    The Summer special of New Statesman has a long piece on Hillbilly JD Vance and his plans for a war on "woke capital".

    As I posted months ago, one day he will almost certainly run for POTUS.

    He might well win.

    Some of the people on alt-right, MAGA wing of GOP that he associates with are plain barking mad. Does he believe their horseshit or is it just a route to power?

    Vance has jumped his shark, I think.
    For what it is worth, I think he is torn between what he thinks he needs to do in order to win given the MAGA/Trump state of GOP and what he actually believes.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    I didn't expect Kay Burley to flummox Sunak with a bit of Latin.

    She didn't. I hadn't a clue what she was on about, nor did the audience.
    Even I understood that and I failed O Level English Lit!
    Latin lit more relevant Shirley?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Starmer GUILTY of breaching MPs code of conduct but gets slap on the wrist because he didnt mean to be naughty on 8 separate occasions
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1555277987863478274?t=0KlpCM4qGkyeJ2wl0OR3HQ&s=19

    The number of MPs, including party leaders, on all sides who have been caught out not updating the register of interests in a timely manner suggests there might be a systemic problem with administration of the register.

    Or it might be that some are deliberately hiding interests. Both could be true.
    I shall go for the hattrick of shit system, incompetent MPs and corrupt MPs.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Good class system answer.
  • Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    London will cope best with the recession because it has a resilient economy based around on Remainer oriented financial and cultural business. It is the wild lands of Leaverstan that will be knawing on their last frozen turnip in the frost.
    Frozen turnips you say?

    Where is @malcolmg when one needs a professional opinion?
    Come to think of it, where is he? A quick check shows it has been a full month since he posted. Is he all right?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,064

    biggles said:


    BBC piss me off.

    Apparently loads of sport going on but both BBC1 and BBC3 just have talking heads and interviews with members of the public.

    Shut up. No-one cares. Cut to the sport.

    Agree on all fronts. It’s not hard to do - it needs to be effectively Grandstand like the old days.
    I am watching the Commonwealth Games on the BBC. it has been mostly sport. No interviews with the public. A bit of talking heads between events. You’ll complaining about some fantasy, not the reality.
    What I posted was entirely accurate when I posted it. My wife and I switched off after nearly 10 minutes of it.

    You simply reflexively defended the BBC because you perceived an attack on it from "The Right", and that's the only level at which your puny brain can engage.
    No, it’s just that you’re a snowflake who can’t press a couple of buttons to watch one of multiple unedited sports streams on the Red Button, and who gets all flustered when someone points that out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635

    Nigelb said:

    One for @Leon:

    The Summer special of New Statesman has a long piece on Hillbilly JD Vance and his plans for a war on "woke capital".

    As I posted months ago, one day he will almost certainly run for POTUS.

    He might well win.

    Some of the people on alt-right, MAGA wing of GOP that he associates with are plain barking mad. Does he believe their horseshit or is it just a route to power?

    Vance has jumped his shark, I think.
    For what it is worth, I think he is torn between what he thinks he needs to do in order to win given the MAGA/Trump state of GOP and what he actually believes.

    I haven't seen the piece, but talking about "woke capital" isn't evidence of shark jumping in itself.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    @Independent
    🚨 Breaking: Sir Keir Starmer found to have breached MPs’ code of conduct eight times


    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1555271240172060672

    I was excited there for a moment but then I saw what the breaches were.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,037
    edited August 2022

    Starmer GUILTY of breaching MPs code of conduct but gets slap on the wrist because he didnt mean to be naughty on 8 separate occasions
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1555277987863478274?t=0KlpCM4qGkyeJ2wl0OR3HQ&s=19

    The number of MPs, including party leaders, on all sides who have been caught out not updating the register of interests in a timely manner suggests there might be a systemic problem with administration of the register.

    Or it might be that some are deliberately hiding interests. Both could be true.
    I agree.
    However it is a highly amusing failure of the Integritron. 8 times. Feckin chancer
    This is the same guy who has just shamelessly ditched all the pledges he ran on to become the leader of his party. Not just one or two, but all of them. And with an excuse so absurd it's insulting to the intelligence.

    The only surprise is that anybody's surprised.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Burley is a legend in her own lunchtime. Cf her being eviscerated by Mick lynch and trying to present it later on twitter as him being embarrassed by her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    Never eat from the Cheese Board in Gordon’s. Assuming they still have it post Covid. If you sit there long enough you can see the mice tuck in.
    lol, no, don't worry

    I've been there enough times to sense the lack of hygiene. Isn't it 18th century or something? Nice outdoors on a warm summer's day, however

    What struck me as it struck me a few weeks ago was the huge queue to get a table. Queues! From about 4pm on

    London is thriving at the mo. Which is why I struggle to believe we will all soon be in an apocalyptic recession. But perhaps it is so

    On Parkway in Camden I believe the last businesses premises vacated by the pandemic have now been filled

    London will cope best with the recession because it has a resilient economy based around on Remainer oriented financial and cultural business. It is the wild lands of Leaverstan that will be knawing on their last frozen turnip in the frost.
    Frozen turnips you say?

    Where is @malcolmg when one needs a professional opinion?
    Come to think of it, where is he? A quick check shows it has been a full month since he posted. Is he all right?
    Good question?

    And have we heard of late from @Big_G_NorthWales ??
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022
    Ratters said:



    For what it's worth, the Bank of England needs to predict a recession in order for their policy of interest rates at only 1.75% when inflation is 5x that to make any sense under their mandate of price stability. So they may just be wrong.

    It’s possible. The thought process goes;

    Inflation is almost all external and temporary > Meaningfully raising interest rates ain’t gonna do much to help & not worth bolloxing the economy > We’ll do token rate rises > how do we justify it? > predict a recession that’ll bring inflation down on its own.

    It’s rather cynical if so, and I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but plausible. They’ve concluded that they can’t do anything about this type of inflation.

    Which is bloody scary.

    Danger is, they’re being too clever by half. Having a real negative rate that big, for so long will surely cause unintended social and economic consequences?

    Discuss.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    You can’t trust Liz.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Just had loooong afternoon drinks with a friend at Gordon's Wine Bar

    Walked back through central London

    Is this Bank England economic prediction for real? Really? It is extremely hard to reconcile these predictions of impending horror with the sense of a world city en fete, full of tourists, all spending money in the warm evening air. I'm not sure I have ever seen London so chocka and contented, and I am used to London. Perhaps you have to leave home for several months to get a perspective

    Or is this Paris in 1940? Perhaps it is

    The economy of the UK is not generally representatively sampled by what happens in central London.
    I hear you but I am old enough to remember the deep recessions of the 80s 90s and noughties, and they were all detectable beforehand in central London. The anxiety comes first

    This feels very different. London (and it's not just central London) is in pandemic recovery mode, and everybody is simply glad to be out, and they are spending freely and eagerly, or so it seems. There is data to back this up: Covid means a lot of people have saved money for two years, and now they want to enjoy life, and fuck the future

    I wonder if this post-plague hedonism might avert the recession. People want to SPEND before they die
    I feel that there are a proportion of the population who have saved over the pandemic due to working and no holidays etc. They paid off credit card debt etc, so they are in a more fortunate position. There are also people who hardly went on holiday, had to endure pay cuts during the pandemic and continued to live from hand to mouth. Those are the ones I feel who are going to get a nasty shock soon.
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