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Plato_Says said:

FFS http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/12143508/Five-MPs-referred-to-police-over-expenses.html

I can understand not naming them if there is an ongoing police investigation, but that report says that Ipsa did deals with several MPs which meant their names wont be released and they were re-elected in 2015. WTF is the point of IPSA then? We could just get the Telegraph to look MPs returns instead and save the public purse a load of dosh and also publicly hold MPs to account.

OT Been listening to her tonight

https://youtu.be/HaZDiKRT1is

O/T:

Visited Bletchley Park today. It's been spruced up quite a lot since my last visit about 5 years ago.

One wonders what sin is too far.

MarqueeMark said:

rottenborough said:

MarqueeMark said:

Plato_Says said:

Oops

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12144213/Key-member-of-Jeremy-Corbyns-campaign-team-has-conviction-for-election-fraud.html

You were saying about Corbyn's better week....?

She should be barred from any political activity. Period.

To have a person that tainted in your team suggests they were desperate to fill the gap with somebody....anybody......

DecrepitJohnL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Plato_Says said:

FFS http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/12143508/Five-MPs-referred-to-police-over-expenses.html

I can understand not naming them if there is a police investigation, but that report says that Ipsa did deals with several MPs which meant their names wont be released and they were re-elected in 2015. WTF is the point of IPSA then? We could just get the Telegraph to look MPs returns instead and save the public purse a load of dosh and also publicly hold MPs to account.

I don't understand why MPs don't scrap this half-arsed expenses system and introduce allowances instead: a sort of London weighting in reverse. X thousand pounds for a second home, Y thousand for travel, and if MPs want to blow the lot on duck houses and moats, that will be their business. Or have parliament pick up the bills directly. Anything would be better than the current mess.

What do all their office staff etc cost normally ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

Indeed. Although you could argue that the less work they do, the less damage they do.

Schulz, speaking in an interview on Sky News, said that “legally binding decisions are also reversible -- nothing is irreversible.”
The same man who in 2012 said "I share the ECB's view that the euro is an irreversible project." Source: http://tinyurl.com/h7gfpjz
Another manipulative eurocrat found in the wild. Determined to federalise at all costs, not prepared to accept our currency opt out. We're better off out.

MP_SE said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/696072839271677952

I initially read that as Unite to fight for EU exit...

Both Douglas Carswell and Arron Banks are on Marr tomorrow morning.

Should be fun.

Pauly said:

Schulz, speaking in an interview on Sky News, said that “legally binding decisions are also reversible -- nothing is irreversible.”
The same man who in 2012 said "I share the ECB's view that the euro is an irreversible project." Source: http://tinyurl.com/h7gfpjz
Another manipulative eurocrat found in the wild. Determined to federalise at all costs, not prepared to accept our currency opt out. We're better off out.

Technically, nothing is irreversible. That very principle is one of the foundations of our parliamentary system.

Although I agree he is a hypocrite. Perhaps he is distinguishing between legally irreversible and practically irreversible.

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Of the five cabinet ministers expected to vote leave, who do Tories think would make best leader?

Which 5 are they?

Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Iain Duncan Smith

The only one of those I recognise is Iain Duncan 'quiet man' Smith. Are the others refugees from a production of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, or is there a subtext I'm missing?

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Perfectly acceptable, and make English the only language, and HM ex officio President of Europe.

ydoethur said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Of the five cabinet ministers expected to vote leave, who do Tories think would make best leader?

Which 5 are they?

Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Iain Duncan Smith

The only one of those I recognise is Iain Duncan 'quiet man' Smith. Are the others refugees from a production of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, or is there a subtext I'm missing?

It was a joke. I was attempting humour. Possibly the wrong venue, but still...

viewcode said:

ydoethur said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Of the five cabinet ministers expected to vote leave, who do Tories think would make best leader?

Which 5 are they?

Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Iain Duncan Smith

The only one of those I recognise is Iain Duncan 'quiet man' Smith. Are the others refugees from a production of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, or is there a subtext I'm missing?

It was a joke. I was attempting humour. Possibly the wrong venue, but still...

You will make an excellent pro-EU drone!

RobD said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Perfectly acceptable, and make English the only language, and HM ex officio President of Europe.

I would change my vote to REMAIN in a heartbeat

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Have you seen Zoolander 2 today?

No, last film I saw was Star Wars (three times). Is Z2 any good?

Not seen it, was wondering if I should go see tomorrow, before I see my most anticipated film of 2016, Pride and Prejudice & Zombies.

The Sunday Times are reporting Lord Powell saying Lady Thatcher would vote to leave the EU.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Have you seen Zoolander 2 today?

No, last film I saw was Star Wars (three times). Is Z2 any good?

Not seen it, was wondering if I should go see tomorrow, before I see my most anticipated film of 2016, Pride and Prejudice & Zombies.

I don't think Z2 is out till 12th Feb.

RobD said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Perfectly acceptable, and make English the only language, and HM ex officio President of Europe.

Which would only be fair recompense for our continually saving Europe's sorry ass from the grip of tyranny....

I think seant mentioned he doesn't know which way the Sunday Times may go on the EU coverage,well tomorrows front page might be given us hints ;-)

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Sunday Times front page:
Thatcher ‘would vote yes to EU’#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #euref pic.twitter.com/gZabKi0BWf

IDS has told friends Dave's EU deal is a load of rubbish - Sunday Times

Tykejohnno said:

I think seant mentioned he doesn't know which way the Sunday Times may go on the EU coverage,well tomorrows front page might be given us hints ;-)

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Sunday Times front page:
Thatcher ‘would vote yes to EU’#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #euref pic.twitter.com/gZabKi0BWf

If that is the best reason they can come up with as a reason to vote to leave, they aren't that confident of their case. Really weak headline

Punters, lay Sadiq Khan now

TheScreamingEagles said:

IDS has told friends Dave's EU deal is a load of rubbish - Sunday Times

Good on him,I hope he tells cameron to his face.

chestnut said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Pulpstar said:

Wonder what the odds were pre-season on a Leicester-Tottenham forecast.

I did put a pound each way on Leicester at 3000/1 at the end of August :-)

And said there was still value at 20/1 at Christmas.

We are 3.5 to beat Arsenal next weekend. Looks like value to me, when will these bookies wise up to the fact that this is a really good football team?

There's a Leicester fan who had £5 at the start of the season. 5000/1.

A real triumph of optimism over sense there, in every sense of the word 'triumph'.

That must be the footballing equivalent of the Liberal Democrats getting more than 10 seats.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/696086942203695105

If that holds up, it is politically very, very damaging. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

oxfordsimon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/696086942203695105

If that holds up, it is politically very, very damaging. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Last night Khan’s spokesman hit back, calling Cage a “vile organisation” and insisting Khan had gone to the events only to campaign to stop Babar Ahmad, a Tooting contemporary, being extradited to America. Ahmad later pleaded guilty to “conspiracy and providing material to support terrorism”.

Gove still torn, but No 10 expect Priti Patel to back Brexit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12144525/David-Cameron-pleads-with-Michael-Gove-not-to-back-Brexit.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

TheScreamingEagles said:

Punters, lay Sadiq Khan now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

Could Priti Patel be joining the out camp ?

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/696087107102765057/photo/1

That Khan story has put the kybosh on my morning thread.

The fecker.

rcs1000 said:

Reading the Telegraph "Global Disaster" coming piece is putting me in a surprisingly good mood.

Like The Economist's covers, The Telegraph has a tendency to call things just after they've happened.

The key point, to me, is that you could have written that piece in 1981. You would have pointed to coming defaults in Mexico and in other oil producing countries. You would have pointed out that Western banks (and particularly UK banks) had lent very heavily to resource producers. You would have mentioned that government debt loads had soared through the 1970s, and that economies were fragile from a decade of recession, with record unemployment in many places.

In other words, you would have been very bearish. And you would have been very wrong.

Despite almost every commodity exporter going bust between 1981 and the end of the 1980s, it turned out that developed world was in amazing shape. The 1980s and 1990s, except for a brief (but deep) recession in the early 1990s, were two decades of unparalleled growth.

Fair enough but some things have changed since the 1980s.

If every commodity exporter goes bust and 20% of their population decides to emigrate northwards what happens then ?

TheScreamingEagles said:

That Khan story has put the kybosh on my morning thread.

The fecker.

The great AV thread delayed again.

What did Macmillan say? Something about events.


*hides from Sunil*

Tykejohnno said:

Chris Ship ‏@chrisshipitv Feb 5
EU Parliament President says MEPs may get final say on UK deal even *after* #UKreferendum. Cameron says no way. @NewsAtTen with @ragehomaar

The EU Parliament Pres is a fool. He's the one that wanted MEPs votes in the parliament to be secret.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

That Khan story has put the kybosh on my morning thread.

The fecker.

The great AV thread delayed again.

What did Macmillan say? Something about events.


*hides from Sunil*

The great AV thread is no more.

I had to gut most of it and use it on my recent electoral reform thread.

I might do the next Scottish Independence referendum should be conducted under AV thread instead.

I see the race-baiting re:Sadiq Khan is about to start again.

As far as I can see, the story amounts to "He once appeared at the same event as someone who was associated with an organisation who later associated with an organisation who would 11 years later make an idiotic comment praising Jihadi John". Clearly a sign that Khan is going to impose sharia law on London and slaughter all white people.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/696084032904364032

That is the biggest load of bollocks.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12144060/EU-Force-One-Juncker-commutes-to-Strasbourg-by-private-jet.html

The more you hear about this monthly jaunt to Strasbourg, the more insane it sounds. They charter a couple of trains to send the staff on Monday morning, returning Thursday evening., and boxes of files are shipped in eight lorries. You have to wonder how much time/money they spend packing/unpacking stuff. They probably only get half a days work done.

Mad.

It makes our own parliamentarians look like rank amateurs in comparison.

At least make it a month in Strasbourg, or six months. Or demolish it.

Or make London the capital of the EU

Have you seen Zoolander 2 today?

No, last film I saw was Star Wars (three times). Is Z2 any good?

Not seen it, was wondering if I should go see tomorrow, before I see my most anticipated film of 2016, Pride and Prejudice & Zombies.

The book is surprisingly faithful to the source - its pretty much 100% Jane Austen in with the occasional mention of zombies. I'm wondering if the film is going to miss the point and go heavy on the zombies.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

That Khan story has put the kybosh on my morning thread.

The fecker.

The great AV thread delayed again.

What did Macmillan say? Something about events.


*hides from Sunil*

Fear not young Rob!

Lord JohnO of this parish assures me it was said in private to a bunch of Tory MPs back in the day.

Plato_Says said:

Putting words in the mouths of the dead is just pathetic and yuck.

oxfordsimon said:

Tykejohnno said:

I think seant mentioned he doesn't know which way the Sunday Times may go on the EU coverage,well tomorrows front page might be given us hints ;-)

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Sunday Times front page:
Thatcher ‘would vote yes to EU’#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #euref pic.twitter.com/gZabKi0BWf

If that is the best reason they can come up with as a reason to vote to leave, they aren't that confident of their case. Really weak headline

It doesn't matter. The point is to produce stories, day in and day out, to nudge the voter into voting LEAVE. Articles about European countries or the Council of Europe must be led by a statement from an Outer saying "This is why we must leave the EU", even if the EU is not actually involved. Any statement by an Inner must be ignored except for the response by an Outer, and the Outer's response must be the headline. A statement from one Outer and X Neutrals must be headlined as "(X+1) Outers say" even if the statement doesn't actually say that. And so on.

This is how the British press operates. It's not a machine for producing truths, it's a machine for interpreting events that best serve their proprietors' interests, and they are very good at it.

notme said:

RobD said:

Danny565 said:

I see the race-baiting re:Sadiq Khan is about to start again.

As far as I can see, the story amounts to "He once appeared at the same event as someone who was associated with an organisation who later associated with an organisation who would 11 years later make an idiotic comment praising Jihadi John". Clearly a sign that Khan is going to impose sharia law on London and slaughter all white people.

What's his race got to do with it?

By using race, he can shout racism, when he really means islam. Race is a physiological characteristic that the person involves has no control or influence over. It just is. Islam is an idea, that can and should be challenged like any other ideology and philosophy. Khan has been hanging out with some deeply unsavoury people and shilling on their behalf. The sheer depravity of these people is hidden behind a shield of 'religion'. That somehow to criticise means to be racist. Racism is bad, therefore lets try and associate as many kind of things as possible as 'race' to stop people criticising us.

"Hanging out" = being in the vicinity of eachother at a particular event.

I guess I also "hung out" with the dozens of people I happened to pass on the street today.

MP_SE said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/696084032904364032

That is the biggest load of bollocks.

Some evidence here on Thatcher would be in the out camp -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10045061/Margaret-Thatcher-wanted-Britain-to-leave-the-EU.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12124910/Sir-Bernard-Ingham-EU-is-corrupt-useless-and-riddled-with-fraud.html

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Danny565 said:

RobD said:

Danny565 said:

I see the race-baiting re:Sadiq Khan is about to start again.

As far as I can see, the story amounts to "He once appeared at the same event as someone who was associated with an organisation who later associated with an organisation who would 11 years later make an idiotic comment praising Jihadi John". Clearly a sign that Khan is going to impose sharia law on London and slaughter all white people.

What's his race got to do with it?

It is all very reminiscent of the tactics the Republicans used against Obama: highlight the most utterly tenuous and irrelevant of links to some sinister person (in Obama's case, it was the fact he once happened to be at the same community meeting as that Bill Ayers guy), and hope racial-based suspicions do the rest of the work.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much time for Khan who seems as dull and unprincipled as politicians come, but an ISIS-sympathiser he clearly isn't.

Khan seems to have more of connection to CAGE than Obama ever had to Bill Ayers. And Tories are happily to play terrorist sympathiser tag on Corbyn and McDonnel, so don't think it had anything to do with race. Labour just need to learn to be smarter about who they associate with.

But (much as I hate to admit it) there is more cause to call Corbyn and McDonnell terrorist sympathisers, since they have moronically called Hamas friends, made apologies for the IRA, etc.

For me, Khan happening to attend the same event as some unsavoury characters, an event which was protesting for something pretty innocuous, is not in the same league.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Danny565 said:

RobD said:

Danny565 said:

I see the race-baiting re:Sadiq Khan is about to start again.

As far as I can see, the story amounts to "He once appeared at the same event as someone who was associated with an organisation who later associated with an organisation who would 11 years later make an idiotic comment praising Jihadi John". Clearly a sign that Khan is going to impose sharia law on London and slaughter all white people.

What's his race got to do with it?

It is all very reminiscent of the tactics the Republicans used against Obama: highlight the most utterly tenuous and irrelevant of links to some sinister person (in Obama's case, it was the fact he once happened to be at the same community meeting as that Bill Ayers guy), and hope racial-based suspicions do the rest of the work.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much time for Khan who seems as dull and unprincipled as politicians come, but an ISIS-sympathiser he clearly isn't.

It really isn't. The morning thread makes the point the Tories use the bunch of terrorist sympathisers line on Corbyn and McDonnell.

The thing isn't that they are sympathisers, more useful idiots.

The Tories know if they play the racist/Islamophobic card, it would undo the detoxification strategy for 20 years

I think McDonnell is a sympathiser.