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Well quite blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/the-biggest-loser-of-the-night-russell-brand/
This election has just done to Brand what the last election did to Clegg: exposed that his powers of persuasion over the little people are nothing more than a Guardianista fantasy. In 2010 every liberal was banging on about Cleggmania and saying Nick was the Obama of Britain. (Obama should have sued.) Then the election results came in and revealed that Clegg’s Lib Dems actually lost seats – 57, down from 61 in 2005 (and now, of course, his party is wiped out).
This time round, leftish observers talked up the ‘Brand effect’, the possibility that Rusty’s reversal on not voting and his interview with and endorsement of Miliband might help swing the election. ‘The Tories should be worried’, declared the Guardian. Yeah, not so much. If Brand had any effect – and he didn’t – it was only to damn Labour even more than it was already damned.0 -
I willa not ansa datAlanbrooke said:
STOP STOP STOPisam said:Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings...
isam can you confirm you're not a Nigerian prince ?0 -
Isam,
"Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings... "
I didn't expect to win but for the ten pounds you owe me, please donate £5 to Cafod and £5 to Ukip. I'll give a £1 to Guide Dogs for the Blind.
Nice doing business with you.
I suspect Ukip will have enough second places and publicity from the EU referendum to challenge strongly in the future. Without the threat of Nicola, you would have won the bet.
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There's this wonderful concept called 'channels' or 'streams' it enables different people to make different choices about what they watch.SouthamObserver said:
Funny that - I just watched 40 minutes of BBC VE coverage. Must be a different Beeb!FrancisUrquhart said:And now on the BBC...back from 5 minutes of VE service....back to navel grazing about Labour....
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BBC1 a whole channel with uninterupted coverage.FrancisUrquhart said:
BBC News...they spent no more than 5 mins (Sky News covering it)...it was far more important to hear John Mann and Jacqui Smith talk to Marr about Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Funny that - I just watched 40 minutes of BBC VE coverage. Must be a different Beeb!FrancisUrquhart said:And now on the BBC...back from 5 minutes of VE service....back to navel grazing about Labour....
What more do you want?
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Have to confess I thought that cretins influence would help labourPlato said:Well quite blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/the-biggest-loser-of-the-night-russell-brand/
This election has just done to Brand what the last election did to Clegg: exposed that his powers of persuasion over the little people are nothing more than a Guardianista fantasy. In 2010 every liberal was banging on about Cleggmania and saying Nick was the Obama of Britain. (Obama should have sued.) Then the election results came in and revealed that Clegg’s Lib Dems actually lost seats – 57, down from 61 in 2005 (and now, of course, his party is wiped out).
This time round, leftish observers talked up the ‘Brand effect’, the possibility that Rusty’s reversal on not voting and his interview with and endorsement of Miliband might help swing the election. ‘The Tories should be worried’, declared the Guardian. Yeah, not so much. If Brand had any effect – and he didn’t – it was only to damn Labour even more than it was already damned.0 -
Nonsense...they totally misunderstood what Brand is up to....This is the best possible result for his bottom line. He now gets another 5 years of material / followers, books, movies and youtube revenue. Quids in.Plato said:Well quite blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/the-biggest-loser-of-the-night-russell-brand/
This election has just done to Brand what the last election did to Clegg: exposed that his powers of persuasion over the little people are nothing more than a Guardianista fantasy. In 2010 every liberal was banging on about Cleggmania and saying Nick was the Obama of Britain. (Obama should have sued.) Then the election results came in and revealed that Clegg’s Lib Dems actually lost seats – 57, down from 61 in 2005 (and now, of course, his party is wiped out).
This time round, leftish observers talked up the ‘Brand effect’, the possibility that Rusty’s reversal on not voting and his interview with and endorsement of Miliband might help swing the election. ‘The Tories should be worried’, declared the Guardian. Yeah, not so much. If Brand had any effect – and he didn’t – it was only to damn Labour even more than it was already damned.
I remember hearing Mark Thomas said that much that he wished the Tory and Labour bar stewards got shafted, they pay his mortgage....0 -
Tell the one about Linford Christie again.isam said:
I willa not ansa datAlanbrooke said:
STOP STOP STOPisam said:Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings...
isam can you confirm you're not a Nigerian prince ?0 -
Every single one of my mates that I chatted to said "it was busier than last time I voted".not_on_fire said:As predicted, the claims of high turnout were bollocks outside Scotland. I never understand why tellers' reports of polling stations being "busier than expected" have any meaning. Unless they've worked in the same polling booth for at least the 2 previous GEs, how could they know what "unusually high" looked like?
But yeah.0 -
To be fair, he was right about Ed's chances!TCPoliticalBetting said:Mystig Meg of UK politics?
Clegg 5th May
""We all know that no-one is going to win the election outright on Thursday, despite what Ed Miliband and David Cameron says."
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The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.0
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The suggestion that David Mundell's voice "carries weight" in the Tories is certainly a novel one.Omnium said:I suspect that they'll only be one voice that'll really carry weight in Scotland - David Mundell in Dumfreisshire.
The SNP are going to have to ask Mr Cameron nicely if he might consider their views.0 -
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Funny that - I just watched 40 minutes of BBC VE coverage. Must be a different Beeb!FrancisUrquhart said:And now on the BBC...back from 5 minutes of VE service....back to navel grazing about Labour....
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It was busier than usual at mine, I took the dog.BannedInParis said:
Every single one of my mates that I chatted to said "it was busier than last time I voted".not_on_fire said:As predicted, the claims of high turnout were bollocks outside Scotland. I never understand why tellers' reports of polling stations being "busier than expected" have any meaning. Unless they've worked in the same polling booth for at least the 2 previous GEs, how could they know what "unusually high" looked like?
But yeah.0 -
Today feels more like 1983 than 1992 from a Labour perspective. Losing ground to an incumbent government, and far far away from power.
But if this is a replay of '83, that means Miliband is the new Foot rather than Kinnock...0 -
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#ICM is the outlier. 42 out of 65 polls have put #Labour ahead in 2015, incl 10 of the past 130 -
Conservatives gain St Ives.0
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Have to confess I thought that cretins influence would help labourisam said:Plato said:Well quite blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/the-biggest-loser-of-the-night-russell-brand/
This election has just done to Brand what the last election did to Clegg: exposed that his powers of persuasion over the little people are nothing more than a Guardianista fantasy. In 2010 every liberal was banging on about Cleggmania and saying Nick was the Obama of Britain. (Obama should have sued.) Then the election results came in and revealed that Clegg’s Lib Dems actually lost seats – 57, down from 61 in 2005 (and now, of course, his party is wiped out).
This time round, leftish observers talked up the ‘Brand effect’, the possibility that Rusty’s reversal on not voting and his interview with and endorsement of Miliband might help swing the election. ‘The Tories should be worried’, declared the Guardian. Yeah, not so much. If Brand had any effect – and he didn’t – it was only to damn Labour even more than it was already damned.
Hopefully this shows that the British electorate can separate entertainment (though Brand's popularity in that field also baffles me) from politics. Why on earth should I care more about what a luvvie thinks than the political insights of a guy or gal behind the counter at Chipotle or Starbucks?0 -
Not sure why Sky make it CON maj 4?0
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I suspect Lynton Crosby paid Brand to get cosy with Ed.0
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Results so far: - Tory 330 – LAB 232 – SNP 56 – LD 8.0
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But that makes Dave Maggie rather than Major.AllyPally_Rob said:Today feels more like 1983 than 1992 from a Labour perspective. Losing ground to an incumbent government, and far far away from power.
But if this is a replay of '83, that means Miliband is the new Foot rather than Kinnock...0 -
WAHEYNoEasyDay said:
It was busier than usual at mine, I took the dog.BannedInParis said:
Every single one of my mates that I chatted to said "it was busier than last time I voted".not_on_fire said:As predicted, the claims of high turnout were bollocks outside Scotland. I never understand why tellers' reports of polling stations being "busier than expected" have any meaning. Unless they've worked in the same polling booth for at least the 2 previous GEs, how could they know what "unusually high" looked like?
But yeah.
Thinking about it, I can see a lot of "not comparing like with like" - my last election was a local one, as I was overseas for the last Euros.0 -
...And there goes St Ives.Final CON gain.0
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Labour source: "in four years [Miliband's team] have undone the work of a political generation & taken us back to pre-Kinnock" #GE2015
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You mean they did not just repeat the coverage across all the BBC channels? Leftie scum.FrancisUrquhart said:
BBC News...they spent no more than 5 mins (Sky News covering it)...it was far more important to hear John Mann and Jacqui Smith talk to Marr about Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Funny that - I just watched 40 minutes of BBC VE coverage. Must be a different Beeb!FrancisUrquhart said:And now on the BBC...back from 5 minutes of VE service....back to navel grazing about Labour....
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AllyPally No Miliband won 30%, the same as Kinnock got in 1987, indeed he actually won 1 more seat than Kinnock, Foot won 209 seats and 27%. Of course, if Labour had held all its seats in Scotland it would actually have won about the 271 seats Kinnock got in 1992 and the 34% he attained0
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Let's hope Sky are allowed to take over BBC!
As long as Emily stays...0 -
That joke has been told to black friends who laughed at it. I even asked if it was alright to tell it and they said yes. his race isn't the point of the joke, it has been told about Seb Coe too, stop being so sensitiveAnorak said:
Tell the one about Linford Christie again.isam said:
I willa not ansa datAlanbrooke said:
STOP STOP STOPisam said:Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings...
isam can you confirm you're not a Nigerian prince ?0 -
Sounds dangerously like communism to me.Jonathan said:
There's this wonderful concept called 'channels' or 'streams' it enables different people to make different choices about what they watch.SouthamObserver said:
Funny that - I just watched 40 minutes of BBC VE coverage. Must be a different Beeb!FrancisUrquhart said:And now on the BBC...back from 5 minutes of VE service....back to navel grazing about Labour....
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Wow, just wow!Life_ina_market_town said:Conservatives gain St Ives.
Completely did NOT expect a Tory majority this time yesterday! Even though I voted Lab in Ilford North (in all honesty my vote could have gone either way), I actually don't mind the full GE result, so congrats to Dave and co. and everyone on Team Blue!
Even the PB Tories
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Turnout was the highest since '97 thoughnot_on_fire said:As predicted, the claims of high turnout were bollocks outside Scotland. I never understand why tellers' reports of polling stations being "busier than expected" have any meaning. Unless they've worked in the same polling booth for at least the 2 previous GEs, how could they know what "unusually high" looked like?
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Labour 99 seats behind Tories0
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OR maybe they think 3 CON are about to defect to SNP 0
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Con Maj of 2500ishSunil_Prasannan said:
Wow, just wow!Life_ina_market_town said:Conservatives gain St Ives.
Completely did NOT expect a Tory majority this time yesterday! Even though I voted Lab in Ilford North (in all honesty my vote could have gone either way), I actually don't mind the full GE result, so congrats to Dave and co. and everyone on Team Blue!
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Franklin If the next Labour leader matches the 62 seats Thatcher gained in 1979 or the 77 seats Heath gained in 1970 or the 59 seats Wilson won in 1964 they will lead the largest party in 20200
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Wonder what the squeakers thoughts are?0
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Has someone given Norman Smith a Glasgow Kiss?0
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For what its worth I think there was probably a bit of Tory tactical voting for Johanna but not enough to make a difference in the finishing order. I've actually met Johanna, she is the leader of Stirling Council and was a strong candidate who got swept away by the SNP tsunami, a name to look out for in the next few years though while SLAB rebuilds itself.Pulpstar said:Ferrucks sake I can't believe this
Stirling:
Labour Johanna Boyd 13,303 25.5 -16.2
Conservative Stephen Kerr[2] 12,051 23.1 -0.9
I bet that was some misguided tacticals that cost me a decent win on Con 2nd there !0 -
but you voted Red.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sunil means "Blue"Alanbrooke said:Blues win the Premiership twice over - Chelsea and Conservatives.
The football indicator holds good.0 -
Craig Oliver?Plato said:Has someone given Norman Smith a Glasgow Kiss?
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@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?0 -
Just about doable in a single parliament. Just.Alanbrooke said:Labour 99 seats behind Tories
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Last night's BBC coverage was utterly shambolic. They seemed to have absolutely no idea what was going on. ITN and Sky were much better, though neither was that good. ]antifrank said:The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.
As for the Charter, this I where the Tories need to be careful of hubris. The public do not hate the BBC in the way some of the more swivel-eyed Blues do. Though, to be fair, I think I saw more claims of BBC bias from the left during this campaign.0 -
When's the next poll out?0
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My first piece of advice is that they should stop demonising the Tories with respect to the NHS. It's a tired and very stale argument.Cyclefree said:
As part of their soul-searching, they need to understand why that's a problem for them. They could try asking David Goodhart as a start.JEO said:In the South and Midlands, Labour don't seem to have won a seat outside heavily ethnic areas and university towns.
As someone with direct, recent and prolonged dealings with both NHS Wales (mental health, oncology, respiratory) and NHS England (oncology), they've really got no room to talk, and many voters know that.
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Um, that was for local reasonsAlanbrooke said:
but you voted Red.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sunil means "Blue"Alanbrooke said:Blues win the Premiership twice over - Chelsea and Conservatives.
The football indicator holds good.
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Going to look forward to the BBC license fee being reviewed, boundary changes, EU referendum, devolution, ability to strike, etc. Guardian readers will be crying into their lentil soups today. Lord Kinnock summed up the Labour party perfectly last night. When faced with defeat he turned on the voters and claimed they were not intelligent enough.0
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Was it me, or was Emily Maitliss really trying to hold back the tears when she was being interviewed ?0
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You should Jonathan, if you can. You'd be good.Jonathan said:May even get involved again myself somehow.
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My new bank card was sent to old branch in Kentish Town so will do that Monday alternatively send bank details and I can do internet transferCD13 said:Isam,
"Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings... "
I didn't expect to win but for the ten pounds you owe me, please donate £5 to Cafod and £5 to Ukip. I'll give a £1 to Guide Dogs for the Blind.
Nice doing business with you.
I suspect Ukip will have enough second places and publicity from the EU referendum to challenge strongly in the future. Without the threat of Nicola, you would have won the bet.
Yes I think it was the scots that done us.. My whole betting on the GE was based on Ukip getting a decent double figure vote share, but unfortunately the extrapolations didn't deliver. Hey ho0 -
Theres only so many times you can use the 'X will destroy Y' line. I think labour have run that one into the ground.John_M said:
My first piece of advice is that they should stop demonising the Tories with respect to the NHS. It's a tired and very stale argument.Cyclefree said:
As part of their soul-searching, they need to understand why that's a problem for them. They could try asking David Goodhart as a start.JEO said:In the South and Midlands, Labour don't seem to have won a seat outside heavily ethnic areas and university towns.
As someone with direct, recent and prolonged dealings with both NHS Wales (mental health, oncology, respiratory) and NHS England (oncology), they've really got no room to talk, and many voters know that.0 -
Oder in Englisch - Ninety-nine Red BalloonsSimonStClare said:0 -
HMG appointments due this afternoon.0
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None of the media outlets seem to keep up with what was going on and too many idiots making comments aboout "national vote share neck and neck" and "Tories only 7% ahead"....SouthamObserver said:
Last night's BBC coverage was utterly shambolic. They seemed to have absolutely no idea what was going on. ITN and Sky were much better, though neither was that good. ]antifrank said:The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.
As for the Charter, this I where the Tories need to be careful of hubris. The public do not hate the BBC in the way some of the more swivel-eyed Blues do. Though, to be fair, I think I saw more claims of BBC bias from the left during this campaign.
They don't have enough people of the quality of Thrasher and Curtice (who are clearly busy just processing the data) central to their coverage. BBC did have Kellner as well, but he just couldn't come to terms with the fact that his polling was so wrong, continually wittering about the fact they had resurveyed their group and it didn't show any of this.0 -
Couldnt agree more about the BBC coverage. The amount of times they lost a feed or were late to a count or left a count early ect...SouthamObserver said:
Last night's BBC coverage was utterly shambolic. They seemed to have absolutely no idea what was going on. ITN and Sky were much better, though neither was that good. ]antifrank said:The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.
As for the Charter, this I where the Tories need to be careful of hubris. The public do not hate the BBC in the way some of the more swivel-eyed Blues do. Though, to be fair, I think I saw more claims of BBC bias from the left during this campaign.
Dimbleby needs to call it a day now. The coverage was notably better with Hugh Edwards this morning. Had some decent guests like David Aaranovich.
On the other hand BBC Radio was superb as usual, Peter Allen on 5live has been excellent today.0 -
BBC Held Con minority projection up for aggggges - couldn't bring themselves to contemplate Con Majority0
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I would say the next Labour leader may well have to do a deal with the LDs though to get into power again initially0
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For anyone who still thinks EdM wasn't that bad telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11592866/Just-how-bad-was-Labours-general-election-performance.html
With Labour holding just 232 seats - down from 258 in 2010 - this election is the worst for the party since 1983. Back then the party won just 209 seats, losing 60 since the previous election.
Labour has lost seats at every election since 1997, when Tony Blair went into Downing Street on a landslide of 418 seats. This means that the party has lost seats for four elections in a row, which has not happened since the 1950s.0 -
"State Broadcaster" - surely more at home in Maoist states than Cool Britannia.SouthamObserver said:
Last night's BBC coverage was utterly shambolic. They seemed to have absolutely no idea what was going on. ITN and Sky were much better, though neither was that good. ]antifrank said:The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.
As for the Charter, this I where the Tories need to be careful of hubris. The public do not hate the BBC in the way some of the more swivel-eyed Blues do. Though, to be fair, I think I saw more claims of BBC bias from the left during this campaign.0 -
Alanbrooke said:
STOP STOP STOPisam said:Anyone who I lost a bet to please email bank details and I'll send over the winnings...
isam can you confirm you're not a Nigerian prince ?
Lol.Ave_it said:Let's hope Sky are allowed to take over BBC!
As long as Emily stays...
Re the TV - I watched Sky as we have no BBC reception here in Spain. Generally slick and quick with all the results. I was impressed and with no commercial breaks to disrupt the flow of Tory gains. I suspect it was rather better than the Beeb to judge from comments on here.0 -
How many MP's will not be voters in the chamber?0
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At least I do not have to change my shoe avatar for jack ankle boots.0
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000886
I'd love to see the internal churn in the Pudsey voters.
LD -> Lab
LD -> Con
Lab -> UKIP
Lab -> Con
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My argument for reform of telly tax isn't based just in the belief that BBC has too much of a metro liberal elite focus, it is that the telly tax isn't fit for purpose in the modern world.
It can't be enforced, it is as simple as that. The modern wold of the internet, iPad, etc etc etc, we don't all huddle around the moving picture box in the corner of the living room to choose from 4 channels.
IMO it is totally unfair to charge everybody regardless if they have a telly or not, or if they use BBC or not. If the BBC output is good, people wont have a problem paying for it in the same way as people pay for Sky for the footy.0 -
4 main runners:
2/1 Chuka
4/1 Burnham
5/1 Cooper
6/1 Jarvis0 -
120 second places is something to work with. They need to look at their best prospects out of them and throw the kitchen sink at them. The local council results could give them something to build on.foxinsoxuk said:@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?
In terms of leader they almost certainly need someone less divisive. Suzanne Evans would be a solid candidate, although Steven Woolfe or Paul Nuttall being working class and from the north could help to change the stereotype of UKIP being made up of middle class home counties types.
I would like to think that the EU referendum will keep them in the news for the next two years.
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As the party has grown so quickly there's a bit of conflict (not major) between the old school libertarians and the newer ones who talk predominately about immigration. In reality they need do nothing for a while, when the dust has settled a big rise in votes is there for all to see. How to approach electoral reform is the key to progress, under FPTP seats will be very difficult to take.foxinsoxuk said:@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?
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After Ed Is Crap it's Chuka Umunna's Not Trustworthy.MikeL said:4 main runners:
2/1 Chuka
4/1 Burnham
5/1 Cooper
6/1 Jarvis
I'm sure there's an acronym in there somewhere.0 -
And back to LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR droning on BBC News, with yet another former Labour MP....have all other political parties refused to put people up?
I saw Gove on for the Tories and Paddy for Lib Dems in studio for an hour or so, but I think that was it for the whole night.0 -
@Jungleland If you're lurking I think Green seats can be settled at 1 0
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Particularly as the NHS didn't implode when the Coalition took over.Slackbladder said:
Theres only so many times you can use the 'X will destroy Y' line. I think labour have run that one into the ground.John_M said:
My first piece of advice is that they should stop demonising the Tories with respect to the NHS. It's a tired and very stale argument.Cyclefree said:
As part of their soul-searching, they need to understand why that's a problem for them. They could try asking David Goodhart as a start.JEO said:In the South and Midlands, Labour don't seem to have won a seat outside heavily ethnic areas and university towns.
As someone with direct, recent and prolonged dealings with both NHS Wales (mental health, oncology, respiratory) and NHS England (oncology), they've really got no room to talk, and many voters know that.0 -
new PM
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Weaponising the NHS was a mistake. For all its faults the coalition government has done a reasonable job on running it.John_M said:
My first piece of advice is that they should stop demonising the Tories with respect to the NHS. It's a tired and very stale argument.Cyclefree said:
As part of their soul-searching, they need to understand why that's a problem for them. They could try asking David Goodhart as a start.JEO said:In the South and Midlands, Labour don't seem to have won a seat outside heavily ethnic areas and university towns.
As someone with direct, recent and prolonged dealings with both NHS Wales (mental health, oncology, respiratory) and NHS England (oncology), they've really got no room to talk, and many voters know that.0 -
Lord A may also want to review his biography of Cameron before its publication- from his comments it did not seem to be sympathetic to Cameron's campaignMarkHopkins said:NoEasyDay said:
Exactly what I have been saying for weeks.MarkHopkins said:Pulpstar said:Ashcroft Question ONE was more right I think.
Perhaps the problem was that the second question was more seen as an "are you sure?" one, which made the voter needlessly (and falsely) re-think? No one likes to think they've given the wrong answer.
Lord A may need to rethink his polling.
Assuming he carries on.0 -
Er, the BBC ganged up with SKY and ITV to dictate the terms of the debates to the PM - He rightly said take a hike. - no favours due imho.JEO said:
Is that really the case? The BBC happily obliged all of Cameron's wishes for the TV debates and Cameron will repay the favour.antifrank said:The BBC is one of the election losers. They have the least friendly government imaginable for the charter renewal.
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I'm seeing what you mean - golly its tediously one-sided. At least Charles Clarke talks sensible stuff.FrancisUrquhart said:
And back to LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR droning on BBC News, with yet another former Labour MP....have all other political parties refused to put people up?
I saw Gove on for the Tories and Paddy for Lib Dems in studio for an hour or so, but I think that was it for the whole night.0 -
Banbury Beer Festival for me.Casino_Royale said:Right, off out for steak and beer now with some friends now to celebrate. Great day!
Good day to all you fellow pb-ers!!0 -
Ha that's ok! I'm not making it up when I say I bet a lot every day for my living, the GE outlay was the equivalent of a quiet day really, just talked about a lot more than my normal stuff and obv took a year to settlefoxinsoxuk said:@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?
What I took from telling in Dagenham and Rainham yesterday was there are a huge number of people who feel let down and want someone to stick up for them.a lot if the elderly people thought I was the candidate and were begging me to win! On the other hand I felt v uncomfortable asking non white people for their card number whilst wearing a Ukip rosette, and it kind of hurt to be the bad guy in their eyes., as I presumed they thought I was anti them I've not met anyone at Ukip dos that was racist, and many I have met are desperate to be inclusive. I think it's a shame we were smeared as racist as it prevents a lot of people associating. It would be great to get a large black vote in particular without pandering to people on race issues. Just treat everyone the same
Really though I don't think it's a failure to get 13%, it's prob above what I expected. The seats were terribly disappointing but v close to getting 3 or 4. It's the way the cookie bounces. Glorious failure, quite romantic!
I think Farage was hasty to stand down and I hope he is encouraged to run again and wins. I don't want Ukip to be softened up and changed into a photoshopped glossy party with frontmen and women that the other sides like, I want us to be true to ourselves and tear it up!0 -
Sam just mailed you againisam said:
Ha that's ok! I'm not making it up when I say I bet a lot every day for my living, the GE outlay was the equivalent of a quiet day really, just talked about a lot more than my normal stuff and obv took a year to settlefoxinsoxuk said:@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?
What I took from telling in Dagenham and Rainham yesterday was there are a huge number of people who feel let down and want someone to stick up for them.a lot if the elderly people thought I was the candidate and were begging me to win! On the other hand I felt v uncomfortable asking non white people for their card number whilst wearing a Ukip rosette, and it kind of hurt to be the bad guy in their eyes., as I presumed they thought I was anti them I've not met anyone at Ukip dos that was racist, and many I have met are desperate to be inclusive. I think it's a shame we were smeared as racist as it prevents a lot of people associating. It would be great to get a large black vote in particular without pandering to people on race issues. Just treat everyone the same
Really though I don't think it's a failure to get 13%, it's prob above what I expected. The seats were terribly disappointing but v close to getting 3 or 4. It's the way the cookie bounces.
I think Farage was hasty to stand down and I hope he is encouraged to run again and wins. I don't want Ukip to be softened up and changed into a photoshopped glossy party with frontmen and women that the other sides like, I want us to be true to ourselves and tear it up!0 -
If Labour go for any of these they will be like the Bourbons of Spain - learning nothing, forgetting nothing.MikeL said:4 main runners:
2/1 Chuka
4/1 Burnham
5/1 Cooper
6/1 Jarvis
They are part of the problem not the solution. The first 3 are empty-headed and/or too connected with the current Labour party. I can't comment on Jarvis.
They are not the people to rethink what Labour is about. They are not the people to persuade people in 5 years time to vote Labour.
They need to go back to first principles:
- They need to understand what liberal and progressive mean, really mean. Shacking up with segregationists is not progressive.
- They need to rediscover the best of their Methodist, Christian socialist roots - the desire to help those at the bottom end better themselves.
- They need to stop worshipping the state or any emanation of it (the NHS) as an end in itself rather than a means to an end.
- They need to remember that the state, public servants are there to serve the people not the other way around.
- They need to understand that economic competence is the sine qua non of every government.
- They need to remember that they are spending taxpayers' money and that they need to spend it wisely and effectively.
- They need to believe in Britain and British values rather than view them, in an de haut en bas way, with disdain.
- They need to abandon the patronising and racist identity/community politics shtick.
- They need to remember that it is what you do and not how you describe yourself which tells voters what your values are.
- They need to stop behaving as if anyone who disagrees with them is evil.
- They need to remember that decency and fairness and honesty are the monopoly of no-one.
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Very interesting thoughts on the leadership.isam said:
Ha that's ok! I'm not making it up when I say I bet a lot every day for my living, the GE outlay was the equivalent of a quiet day really, just talked about a lot more than my normal stuff and obv took a year to settlefoxinsoxuk said:@isam
Credit for staying on after what must have been a disappointing night.
Any thoughts on how UKIP should move now in terms of policy and/or leader?
What I took from telling in Dagenham and Rainham yesterday was there are a huge number of people who feel let down and want someone to stick up for them.a lot if the elderly people thought I was the candidate and were begging me to win! On the other hand I felt v uncomfortable asking non white people for their card number whilst wearing a Ukip rosette, and it kind of hurt to be the bad guy in their eyes., as I presumed they thought I was anti them I've not met anyone at Ukip dos that was racist, and many I have met are desperate to be inclusive. I think it's a shame we were smeared as racist as it prevents a lot of people associating. It would be great to get a large black vote in particular without pandering to people on race issues. Just treat everyone the same
Really though I don't think it's a failure to get 13%, it's prob above what I expected. The seats were terribly disappointing but v close to getting 3 or 4. It's the way the cookie bounces. Glorious failure, quite romantic!
I think Farage was hasty to stand down and I hope he is encouraged to run again and wins. I don't want Ukip to be softened up and changed into a photoshopped glossy party with frontmen and women that the other sides like, I want us to be true to ourselves and tear it up!0 -
Cyclefree said:
Absolutely agree with your last 2 points, when I heard Nicola saying we have to get the Tories out, she practically hissed and snarled the word Tory as though they are the worst evil, I would have voted blue anyway, but I suspect there were many shy tories like me, I am always wary of discussing politics with friends.MikeL said:
- They need to stop behaving as if anyone who disagrees with them is evil.
- They need to remember that decency and fairness and honesty are the monopoly of no-one.0 -
From the BBC:
'Conservative MP Glyn Davies - who held the Montgomeryshire seat in mid-Wales - admitted to being "rather pleased" with holding his 5,300 majority. However, one of those who ended up voting for him might not share his glee.
He wrote on Facebook: "One voter decided to draw a detailed representation of a penis instead of a cross in my box on one ballot paper. Amazingly, because it was neatly drawn within the confines of the box, the returning officer deemed it a valid vote. Not sure the artist meant it to count, but I am grateful. If I knew who it was, I would like to thank him (or her) personally."
He added later: "Seems it doesn't actually have to a cross. It's one of the funniest election incidents I've ever known of."'
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Now it's MY turn to compliment you on an outstanding post. However, Frank Field and Kate Hoey do not a party make!Cyclefree said:
If Labour go for any of these they will be like the Bourbons of Spain - learning nothing, forgetting nothing.MikeL said:4 main runners:
2/1 Chuka
4/1 Burnham
5/1 Cooper
6/1 Jarvis
They are part of the problem not the solution. The first 3 are empty-headed and/or too connected with the current Labour party. I can't comment on Jarvis.
They are not the people to rethink what Labour is about. They are not the people to persuade people in 5 years time to vote Labour.
They need to go back to first principles:
- They need to understand what liberal and progressive mean, really mean. Shacking up with segregationists is not progressive.
- They need to rediscover the best of their Methodist, Christian socialist roots - the desire to help those at the bottom end better themselves.
- They need to stop worshipping the state or any emanation of it (the NHS) as an end in itself rather than a means to an end.
- They need to remember that the state, public servants are there to serve the people not the other way around.
- They need to understand that economic competence is the sine qua non of every government.
- They need to remember that they are spending taxpayers' money and that they need to spend it wisely and effectively.
- They need to believe in Britain and British values rather than view them, in an de haut en bas way, with disdain.
- They need to abandon the patronising and racist identity/community politics shtick.
- They need to remember that it is what you do and not how you describe yourself which tells voters what your values are.
- They need to stop behaving as if anyone who disagrees with them is evil.
- They need to remember that decency and fairness and honesty are the monopoly of no-one.
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