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A problem for the LDs is that there are only eight MPs to choose from. Front runner must be Tim Farron and my guess is that he compete against the North Norfolk MP, Norman Lamb.
Good result for the Tories obviously but among the top issues for the Tories for the next year would be trying to get members and footsoldiers back, creating a mass membership party again, and also working out how to appeal to urban and poorer voters. Here in Birmingham it is almost totally a no-go area for the Tories, with the party only winning one (middle class) seat
Flag Quote · Off Topic Options isam Posts: 14,732 11:16AM edited 11:16AM currystar said: » show previous quotes Did you not say that farage would definitely win? I'm just stating facts. How many posts have you made telling us of all the fantastic odds that you have on ukip winning loads of different seats and how we are stupid for not backing them? I lose at gambling most of the time as we all do that's why I very rarely recommend anyone backing anything i do . I still haven't got over western warhorse.The 13.0 that I mentioned on here and backed in the middle of last night is a happy exception.
I never said anyone was stupid for not backing them
If you are a serious gambler who turns over a lot of money every day, then consistently beating the odds is more important than short term profit,. I beat the odds in this GE and did have some fantastic prices that tumbled, but ended up losing money . Id do the same again tmrw
As I said I have had a v good week gambling this week. Yesterday was a level day because of election losses
I did say Farage would definitely win, I thought he would. Thurrock too fair enough. Backing a 16/1 shot that goes off 8/11 and loses in a photo isn't worthy of being called a bad tip
What will be interesting is when the open positioning starts to replace Cameron. Presumably it will be pretty soon after the referendum, but candidates will want to start building support bases before then and they are going to have to take views on the referendum vote.
It means Labour piled on some votes, but in all the wrong places. In an election where they needed to reach out beyond the base, this looks a lot like a (perhaps unintentional) core vote strategy. The Tories were simply that much more effective in the marginals.
Surprising. I would have thought they needed to start rebuilding in Scotland quite urgently, in preparation for Holyrood 2016, and that a new face untainted by last night's disaster would be a high priority.
It means Labour piled on some votes, but in all the wrong places. In an election where they needed to reach out beyond the base, this looks a lot like a (perhaps unintentional) core vote strategy. The Tories were simply that much more effective in the marginals.
Ukip can point to number of votes and claim progress, hard to see where Labour and Libs go from here. What price a referendum in 2017 now they have a majority?
Surprising. I would have thought they needed to start rebuilding in Scotland quite urgently, in preparation for Holyrood 2016, and that a new face untainted by this disaster would be a high priority.
They should have gone for Neil Findlay in the autumn, untained by Blairism
It means Labour piled on some votes, but in all the wrong places. In an election where they needed to reach out beyond the base, this looks a lot like a (perhaps unintentional) core vote strategy. The Tories were simply that much more effective in the marginals.
Yep, this was always going to happen. The RedLDs were much more prevalent in safe Labour seats. They only voted LD in 2010 because it was relatively risk-free. In marginal they held their noses and voted Labour.
Just emerging bleary-eyed after a nap after a very long night. Just in time for Clegg's resignation statement followed quickly by Ed's.
I've learned that complex computer models based solely on polls are useless. Rubbish in - rubbish out!
Had six winning bets (Clegg to go in 2015, Watford Con, Richmond Park Con, Kingston Con, Lab seats in Scot, Brighton Pav Green) but two big losers (Lab minority gov and Lab most seats). About £200 down.
Ironically my investment in Berkeley Homes Group has risen by £6000 this morning now the threat of mansion tax has gone. A small consolation.
Yes. They can always threaten to resign and join UKIP if they don't get their way.....
Well it would only take 5 or 6 and that'd be the majority gone
But seriously it does prob make it harder for Cameron to do what he wants as he had more in common w lib dems than some of his backbenchers. So to get votes through he is relying on Jackson, Rees Mogg and Hollobone rather than Clegg laws and Browne
Surprising. I would have thought they needed to start rebuilding in Scotland quite urgently, in preparation for Holyrood 2016, and that a new face untainted by this disaster would be a high priority.
There's also the technical but real issue of whether Mr M can remain leader without being a MP or MSP. He was rumoured to have taken legal advice on it some weeks/months back but no idea if that was ever corroborated - however the Times seems pretty sure of it. if this is so them it's up to the NEC in London. (Which might upset the MSPs even more, after having a MP coming up to show the locals how to do it.)
UKIP second in 118 seats. Its new leader inherits a good position.
Do you know how many of these are "marginals", in the sense of being within 10% of the winner?
Coming third in Thurrock, but less than 1,000 votes and 2% behind first is obviously more promising than being more than 30% behind in a useless second in Sunderland somewhere.
It means Labour piled on some votes, but in all the wrong places. In an election where they needed to reach out beyond the base, this looks a lot like a (perhaps unintentional) core vote strategy. The Tories were simply that much more effective in the marginals.
I did say this earlier this week but I was making the case for Tories largest party on level vote shares.
The effect of the lib dems collapse in south west will be many more votes for Labour for no return. And the opposite has happened in Scotland. Whereas they used to have say 4 - 5 % of their vote share tied up in Scotland, they would get 40 seats for that. Now it is 1 from say 3% of their vote.
Ukip can point to number of votes and claim progress, hard to see where Labour and Libs go from here. What price a referendum in 2017 now they have a majority?
There'll be a referendum after 'renegotiation'. Dave will recommend staying in. We'll stay in by a fairly large majority. If we don't Scotland will demand another Indyref and will probably win it.
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I have to say I am very sad to see Nick CLegg resign.
In 2010 He and the lib dems made a massive decision to join a coalition which they stood by for the entire 5 years. They did what they had to do and they for once put the country before the party and themselves.
That alone should and must never be forgotten. History will judge them kindly even though the ballot boxes were quite cruel.
Well done Nick I hope that this is not the last we see off you. I say the same about Danny Alexander.
You didn't make the LibDems still adhere to the riding-two-horses-going-in-opposite-directions strategy they should have ditched when they got into Government. They did that all by themselves.
In the past 40 years, the Tories have only ever been voted out of office ONCE.
That was in 1997. In that election, the Labour Party presented itself as the heir of Margaret Thatcher, the Tory PM of 1979-90. Labour were also supported by both the Sun and the Financial Times.
Farage has just thrown away his reputation - an very obvious device to get round his promise..
Clegg's speech is self serving tripe but at least he has resigned. He has taken some element of responsibility. Both however are much better than Murphy.
No-one but no-one continues when they lose not just their own seat but all but one of their colleagues - having claimed that he would lose none! As long as he stays there can be no recovery whatsoever for Labour in Scotland.
Well done Nick I hope that this is not the last we see off you. I say the same about Danny Alexander.
Completely agree, that said they (Lib Dems in general) should have spent more time defending their successes rather than attacking the Tories, they have done this country a lot of good.
Sorry to see Clegg go, he had a tough hand to play and got no thanks for it.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Clegg and Alexander played a difficult hand well - I suspect Vince may have been more effective than his public sounding off suggested, and while Simon Hughes has been forgiven by Peter Tatchell, I can't but help feel a small dose of Karma in his loss.
The clear winners are Sturgeon (and I've no doubt she did better than Salmond would have done) - and Cameron. These two will dominate the next 5 years.
Meanwhile Ed's 'intellectual self confidence' has been comprehensively trumped by his 'lack of self awareness.'
I don't understand why the junior member of a coalition usually ends up taking most of the blame for its unpopularity.
They handled it incredibly badly. They spent most of the 5 years looking thoroughly miserable about being in government, laying into their coalition partners in intemperate terms, and generally giving the strong impression that coalition is a bad idea, in direct contradiction to what they had been telling us for previous 50 years. As a result they didn't get the credit they deserved both for ensuring stability and for the LibDem policies which they did get implemented. They thought they needed to differentiate themselves by implying (and in many cases actually saying) that the Tories were dreadful heartless people interested only in helping the rich - a message which put centre-right voters off, and invited the response from the left "So why are you keeping this dreadful Tory party in government then?"
The needed above all to sell the concept of coalition as a Good Thing. Only in the last few weeks did they begin to get that message right, but by then it was too late.
what a night, what a night!!!!!! Made 1992 seem pedestrian.
Ed Balls was just the icing on the cake.
Couple of things, Jack W (and a couple of notable others) you truly are amazing, never in my wildest dreams would I have predicted this result. Kudos to you all.
After enduring the smug, gloating posts of certain Labour supporters over the last week or so I do hope they turn up to eat some humble pie.
BenM proved yet again that whilst I don't share his politics he is a true gentleman.
likewise Smukesh reacted with decency last night too.
I loathed tim (the very worst of new Labour) when he was here but god it would have been funny to witness his meltdown :-)
Oh,was Ed Milliband ready? HELL NO!!!!!
Finally, my wife and I feel so guilty about helping to turf Sir Bob out, but I did say the Lib Dems were rattled here and although we will always owe that man a debt we just could not bear the thought of a Labour / SNP coalition. I hear he is retiring now and I wish him the very best for the future.
Now to quickly walk the dog with a huge smile on my face.
Ukip can point to number of votes and claim progress, hard to see where Labour and Libs go from here. What price a referendum in 2017 now they have a majority?
There'll be a referendum after 'renegotiation'. Dave will recommend staying in. We'll stay in by a fairly large majority. If we don't Scotland will demand another Indyref and will probably win it.
Sorry don't buy that. He'll go to Brussels with vague intentions to renegotiate and come back waving a piece of paper saying its all sorted. Cameron doesn't want a referendum, he'll wriggle out of it again.
I think we can now consign the anti-Tory party to history in England and Wales.
This really has been a game-changing election in so many ways. Almost all the old certainties have been laid to waste.
England has and always will be a small-c consverative country. Blair understood that, that why New labour was needed.
It's a tiny majority, there are still 'awkward squad' tories. No LibDem involvement to restrain them this time. Opposition parties to get new leaders and a new start (except UKIP where Farage is copying his idol Putin).
Farage has just thrown away his reputation - an very obvious device to get round his promise..
Clegg's speech is self serving tripe but at least he has resigned. He has taken some element of responsibility. Both however are much better than Murphy.
No-one but no-one continues when they lose not just their own seat but all but one of their colleagues - having claimed that he would lose none! As long as he stays there can be no recovery whatsoever for Labour in Scotland.
I don't understand why the junior member of a coalition usually ends up taking most of the blame for its unpopularity.
Frankly, it seems like the electorate isn't (politically) mature enough for the basics of coalition politics. I've really no idea how he got stuck with that "betrayal" mantra - the LDs only made up 15%ish of the coalition, inevitably most of their manifesto would disappear in negotiations.
Farage has just thrown away his reputation - an very obvious device to get round his promise..
Clegg's speech is self serving tripe but at least he has resigned. He has taken some element of responsibility. Both however are much better than Murphy.
No-one but no-one continues when they lose not just their own seat but all but one of their colleagues - having claimed that he would lose none! As long as he stays there can be no recovery whatsoever for Labour in Scotland.
To be fair to Mr M, what he actiually said IIRC was tha he would "not lose one Labour seat" in Scotland - an unfortunate ambiguity of the kind more usually associated with the Pythoness of the Oracle at Delphi.
Just emerging bleary-eyed after a nap after a very long night. Just in time for Clegg's resignation statement followed quickly by Ed's.
I've learned that complex computer models based solely on polls are useless. Rubbish in - rubbish out!
Had six winning bets (Clegg to go in 2015, Watford Con, Richmond Park Con, Kingston Con, Lab seats in Scot, Brighton Pav Green) but two big losers (Lab minority gov and Lab most seats). About £200 down.
Ironically my investment in Berkeley Homes Group has risen by £6000 this morning now the threat of mansion tax has gone. A small consolation.
Farage has just thrown away his reputation - an very obvious device to get round his promise..
Clegg's speech is self serving tripe but at least he has resigned. He has taken some element of responsibility. Both however are much better than Murphy.
No-one but no-one continues when they lose not just their own seat but all but one of their colleagues - having claimed that he would lose none! As long as he stays there can be no recovery whatsoever for Labour in Scotland.
So why's Alex Salmond still there ?
Because he resigned as party leader pdq?
{Might have pressed the flag button in error - too dozy - if so many apologies.]
And a majority should mean an EU referendum in 2017. I'm expecting Cameron to find some excuse to wriggle out of it, but we shall see.
There's not a snowflake's chance in hell of him wriggling out of it, nor will he want to. Politics doesn't come more certain than this.
Whether he actually would wriggle out of it, I can't say. But I'm pretty certain he would want to, if he thought there was a strong possibility that the country would vote to leave.
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If you are a serious gambler who turns over a lot of money every day, then consistently beating the odds is more important than short term profit,. I beat the odds in this GE and did have some fantastic prices that tumbled, but ended up losing money . Id do the same again tmrw
As I said I have had a v good week gambling this week. Yesterday was a level day because of election losses
I did say Farage would definitely win, I thought he would. Thurrock too fair enough. Backing a 16/1 shot that goes off 8/11 and loses in a photo isn't worthy of being called a bad tip
The following seats have been counting for more than 13 hours:
Luton North
Luton South
Devon Central
The Cotswolds
Wells
Suzanne Evans made leader Pro Tempore
Farage resigning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14001026
Boom.
Err...
Boomerang.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/08/election-2015-live-labour-and-libdems-crushed-in-shock-election-result
“We have been overwhelmed by history.”
He says it will take time for the divisions of the referendum to fade back into distinctions between left and right.
He says he and deputy Kezia Dugdale, elected last year, had not had enough time to steer Labour back to where it needs to be.
Libby Brooks
@libby_brooks Jim Murphy is not resigning: determined to offer period of stability and be leader of fightback #GE2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-2015-32610187
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000623
#CameronMustGo
Chortle
I've learned that complex computer models based solely on polls are useless. Rubbish in - rubbish out!
Had six winning bets (Clegg to go in 2015, Watford Con, Richmond Park Con, Kingston Con, Lab seats in Scot, Brighton Pav Green) but two big losers (Lab minority gov and Lab most seats). About £200 down.
Ironically my investment in Berkeley Homes Group has risen by £6000 this morning now the threat of mansion tax has gone. A small consolation.
But seriously it does prob make it harder for Cameron to do what he wants as he had more in common w lib dems than some of his backbenchers. So to get votes through he is relying on Jackson, Rees Mogg and Hollobone rather than Clegg laws and Browne
http://action4equalityscotland.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/jim-no-jobs-murphy.html
Coming third in Thurrock, but less than 1,000 votes and 2% behind first is obviously more promising than being more than 30% behind in a useless second in Sunderland somewhere.
And a majority should mean an EU referendum in 2017. I'm expecting Cameron to find some excuse to wriggle out of it, but we shall see.
This really has been a game-changing election in so many ways. Almost all the old certainties have been laid to waste.
The twitter is all powerful... or not.
The effect of the lib dems collapse in south west will be many more votes for Labour for no return. And the opposite has happened in Scotland. Whereas they used to have say 4 - 5 % of their vote share tied up in Scotland, they would get 40 seats for that. Now it is 1 from say 3% of their vote.
I feel guilty.
Libby Wiener @LibbyWienerITV 1m1 minute ago
Senior Labour advisers have left party HQ as Ed Miliband prepares to announce he's quitting @itvnews
In 2010 He and the lib dems made a massive decision to join a coalition which they stood by for the entire 5 years. They did what they had to do and they for once put the country before the party and themselves.
That alone should and must never be forgotten. History will judge them kindly even though the ballot boxes were quite cruel.
Well done Nick I hope that this is not the last we see off you. I say the same about Danny Alexander.
Glasgow South West 11/2
Glasgow North EAst 5/1
Dumfries & Galloway 7/2
Glasgow North WEst 7/2
Rutherglen & Hamilton West 10/3
Everything else was 3/1 or lower.
My £1 on SLab 0-5 seats at 40/1 was hedged out so don't get to claim that.
I just keep going back to the Glasgow results - can't quite believe they actually happened.
That was in 1997. In that election, the Labour Party presented itself as the heir of Margaret Thatcher, the Tory PM of 1979-90. Labour were also supported by both the Sun and the Financial Times.
Clegg's speech is self serving tripe but at least he has resigned. He has taken some element of responsibility. Both however are much better than Murphy.
No-one but no-one continues when they lose not just their own seat but all but one of their colleagues - having claimed that he would lose none! As long as he stays there can be no recovery whatsoever for Labour in Scotland.
Clegg and Alexander played a difficult hand well - I suspect Vince may have been more effective than his public sounding off suggested, and while Simon Hughes has been forgiven by Peter Tatchell, I can't but help feel a small dose of Karma in his loss.
The clear winners are Sturgeon (and I've no doubt she did better than Salmond would have done) - and Cameron. These two will dominate the next 5 years.
Meanwhile Ed's 'intellectual self confidence' has been comprehensively trumped by his 'lack of self awareness.'
The needed above all to sell the concept of coalition as a Good Thing. Only in the last few weeks did they begin to get that message right, but by then it was too late.
what a night, what a night!!!!!! Made 1992 seem pedestrian.
Ed Balls was just the icing on the cake.
Couple of things, Jack W (and a couple of notable others) you truly are amazing, never in my wildest dreams would I have predicted this result. Kudos to you all.
After enduring the smug, gloating posts of certain Labour supporters over the last week or so I do hope they turn up to eat some humble pie.
BenM proved yet again that whilst I don't share his politics he is a true gentleman.
likewise Smukesh reacted with decency last night too.
I loathed tim (the very worst of new Labour) when he was here but god it would have been funny to witness his meltdown :-)
Oh,was Ed Milliband ready? HELL NO!!!!!
Finally, my wife and I feel so guilty about helping to turf Sir Bob out, but I did say the Lib Dems were rattled here and although we will always owe that man a debt we just could not bear the thought of a Labour / SNP coalition. I hear he is retiring now and I wish him the very best for the future.
Now to quickly walk the dog with a huge smile on my face.
Lord A's first post-vote poll looks for explanations.
Opposition parties to get new leaders and a new start (except UKIP where Farage is copying his idol Putin).
{Might have pressed the flag button in error - too dozy - if so many apologies.]
Bet 365 particularly quick to settle, good mobile useability too.
I reckon I am up about £500, but to put it in perspective My ISA is up 4 times that on todays news.
Clegg very dignified resignation speech.