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I can only assume the reason the result in Wells hasn't been declared is because it's extremely close.0
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This is like end of Empire Strikes Back where Luke is hanging on an antenna with no hand0
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He does not look or sound like a Labour metropolitan. His back story makes it impossible to attack him personally and it will get him a hearing that other politicians of all parties, outside the SNP, would struggle to get. That on its own is plenty. Even if he said the same as EdM who he is means a lot more people would listen sympathetically. Put it this way, it's harder to put a decorated war hero in Alec Salmond's pocket.watford30 said:
But what's Jarvis's USP? He was a serving soldier (unusual for Labour), and that seems to be it. Not sure he's the man.SouthamObserver said:If Labour has any sense - hmmmm - they'll forbid anyone who was a cabinet minister between 1997 and 2010 from standing for the leadership. Let Chukka, Liz, Dan and co battle it out. For me Jarvis would buy Labour by far the best hearing in the country generally, but I doubt he has the base as yet within the party.
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Labour abandoned it's core and it's founding purpose from Foot onwards, apart from the brief John Smith and Bryan Gould sunrise, they have finally paid the price for it, and must learn.0
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NPXXMPwatford30 said:Goog grief, just noticed Broxtowe - Soubry gave up, and still won, increasing her majority by 6%.
Nick 'Hubris' Palmer's Tic got Tocked.
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12 hours at this desk without sleep, snacks, tea and champagne. Hard to believe. Most exciting night for years. Time flew.0
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How bad would it have been if Ed, hadn't performed so magnificently on the campaign trail?
Heart of stone etc.0 -
Con HOLD Thanet North 318 vs 2270
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Sadly I think a lot of the awkward squad think a Farron coronation and a leftwards March and all will be rightkle4 said:
They were complicit in their own destruction. As leader he bears much responsibility, but they backed going into coalition, didn't break away earlier and didn't force him to stand down before this GE. It would be a mistake for the party, what is left of it, to take the easy route and blame it all on him and what he did. They won't learn properly from that.Pulpstar said:Nick Clegg has pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems
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None of them will win over voters.richardDodd said:So it is down to Yvette..wee Andy of Staffordshire fame..and Mr slimeball Chuka.
Any one of them will do..
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Yep. Cameron has won a majority but will in effect find it impossible to do anything to Scotland, which is as good as acknowledging we are now two separate countries already.Pulpstar said:The common link between ghe Tories and SNP is very strong leader ratings. Of course FFA will be offered to the Scots now. I think the unionis pretty much done.
He was very gracious last night.watford30 said:Goog grief, just noticed Broxtowe - Soubry gave up, and still won, increasing her majority by 6%.
Nick 'Hubris' Palmer's Tic got Tocked.0 -
Farron new leader Lib Dems nailed on0
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Just seen the fantastic news about Ed Balls. Beautiful!
NPstillXMP seems to have taken a hell of a beating in Broxtowe.0 -
Anyway Mr Kle4 I will now happily say Cameron has won an election ( assuming forecast hold true )kle4 said:
They were complicit in their own destruction. As leader he bears much responsibility, but they backed going into coalition, didn't break away earlier and didn't force him to stand down before this GE. It would be a mistake for the party, what is left of it, to take the easy route and blame it all on him and what he did. They won't learn properly from that.Pulpstar said:Nick Clegg has pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems
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Con hold Thanet N.0
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Mr. Pulpstar, cheers (although I was hoping he'd lose).0
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@bbclaurak: Sounding like Nick Clegg might even resign before Ed Miliband, Lib Dems scheduling an event for this morning0
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The Tories held their 5 most marginal seats, while winning 4 of their top 5 targets (the exception being Hampstead):
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Nonetheless, both presided over disastrous splits within Labour which surely count as much greater 'destructive futility' than anything Miliband managed. Actually, I think he's brought and kept the Labour movement together quite well. Some would argue that it's been at the expense of electoral success. I disagree: a united party is a pre-requisite for success. That Miliband failed to deliver it was the result of other factors, some of which were down to him and some were not.SouthamObserver said:
MacDonald was a PM, Foot had a happy family. Ed failed at the first and destroyed the second.david_herdson said:
Nah. He's not even in the premier league alongside MacDonald and Foot.SouthamObserver said:As an exercise in destructive futility Ed's leadership of the Labour party will take some beating.
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Labour on 32%? tim deffo owes me a gold sovereign.....AndyJS said:Current vote share in England:
Con 41%
Lab 32%
UKIP 14%
LD 8%
Greens 4%
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I watch an awful lot of HOC debates..I am gonna miss all those lovable, self righteous, smug, barely literate Scottish Labour MPs0
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UKIP is in third. There is a clear flashing danger for Labour in their S. Wales heartlands in the Welsh Assembly next year.marke09 said:Final Welsh share
Labour 37% (-1)
Cons 27% (+1)
UKIP 14% (+12)
Plaid Cymru 12% (-1)
Lib Dems 7% (-13)
Others 3% (+2)
The two remarkable Tory triumphs Vale of Clwyd and Gower are possible because UKIP bit a chunk of out Labour’s vote. Both constituencies have very affluent portions, and depressed portions.
Outwith Scotland, Gower is the stand-out result. This has been continuously Labour since 1906.
The Tories have never held it before.
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I asked on FPT who the only SLAB MP was - anyone know?0
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My thanks to all at PB Towers. Excellent job. Very much appreciated.0
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It was a brave bet to place and kudos for you for doing it.Pulpstar said:
I laid 50% at evens about 8 hours agoAndyJS said:Final SNP vote share: 49.97%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/scotland
What time did you leave in the end?
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A very odd Labour election as there will be almost no Scottish representationoxfordsimon said:
None of them will win over voters.richardDodd said:So it is down to Yvette..wee Andy of Staffordshire fame..and Mr slimeball Chuka.
Any one of them will do..
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Adieu, and very many thanks to all running PB.com for helping to make last night memorable for all visiting the site. Absolutely splendid job.
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Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.0
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He did what he genuinely thought was required for the country in time of crisis; he accepted the risk that it would destroy his party, but he put his country first.kle4 said:
They were complicit in their own destruction. As leader he bears much responsibility, but they backed going into coalition, didn't break away earlier and didn't force him to stand down before this GE. It would be a mistake for the party, what is left of it, to take the easy route and blame it all on him and what he did. They won't learn properly from that.Pulpstar said:Nick Clegg has pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems
We shouldn't mock him for this, it was tragic in its nobility.0 -
We now desperately need the few remaining one nation Tories like Ken Clarke to stand up and be counted. I can't believe they are happy with this descent into Union-damaging English grievance, city boys fundraisers and endless Brussels bashing.0
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I thought Andrew Marr's comments about that were interesting. He basically said that with the benefit of hindsight it now looks inevitable and there was nothing Westminster politicians could have done to prevent it.Pulpstar said:The common link between ghe Tories and SNP is very strong leader ratings. Of course FFA will be offered to the Scots now. I think the unionis pretty much done.
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Oxford Simon.. That is exactly why they would be great..
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I didn't realise you were a PB Tory?Fenster said:
Yvette Cooper and Dan Jarvis would both be excellent choices.Financier said:
All disastrous choicesScott_P said:@WillHillBet: Next Labour Party Leader http://t.co/DNw3WBnJyf
7/4 Chuka Umunna
5/2 Andy Burnham
3/1 Yvette Cooper
8/1 Dan Jarvis
12 David Miliband
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But Leanne said on the tv this morning that PC had a great campaign. WTF. Maths not a key skill in Wales?marke09 said:Final Welsh share
Labour 37% (-1)
Cons 27% (+1)
UKIP 14% (+12)
Plaid Cymru 12% (-1)
Lib Dems 7% (-13)
Others 3% (+2)
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fascinating to see combined nationalist / republican vote share in NI has fallen0
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They aren't dead but they are back to being at the fringes of politics like they was when they were just the Liberal Party.Patrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
I assume they will eventually rebuild as a protest vote but it'll take a generation.
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Boring election?
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And the killer will be how much they get cut off from cash - less short money fewer donorsPatrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
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The continual sniping against Soubry over the last 5 years, both here and by all accounts in the constituency, was not.kle4 said:
Yep. Cameron has won a majority but will in effect find it impossible to do anything to Scotland, which is as good as acknowledging we are now two separate countries already.Pulpstar said:The common link between ghe Tories and SNP is very strong leader ratings. Of course FFA will be offered to the Scots now. I think the unionis pretty much done.
He was very gracious last night.watford30 said:Goog grief, just noticed Broxtowe - Soubry gave up, and still won, increasing her majority by 6%.
Nick 'Hubris' Palmer's Tic got Tocked.0 -
No he's a twat.Scott_P said:Boring election?
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Heh.Alanbrooke said:
Anyway Mr Kle4 I will now happily say Cameron has won an election ( assuming forecast hold true )kle4 said:
They were complicit in their own destruction. As leader he bears much responsibility, but they backed going into coalition, didn't break away earlier and didn't force him to stand down before this GE. It would be a mistake for the party, what is left of it, to take the easy route and blame it all on him and what he did. They won't learn properly from that.Pulpstar said:Nick Clegg has pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems
I would vote for Clegg, I think he and the LDs have been punished unduly by the electorate, but I am clearly in a minority in that.asjohnstone said:
He did what he genuinely thought was required for the country in time of crisis; he accepted the risk that it would destroy his party, but he put his country first.kle4 said:
They were complicit in their own destruction. As leader he bears much responsibility, but they backed going into coalition, didn't break away earlier and didn't force him to stand down before this GE. It would be a mistake for the party, what is left of it, to take the easy route and blame it all on him and what he did. They won't learn properly from that.Pulpstar said:Nick Clegg has pretty much destroyed the Lib Dems
We shouldn't mock him for this, it was tragic in its nobility.
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Gower had been held by Labour since 1906. Today they lost it by 27 votes to the Conservatives in what is probably the most surprising result of the election:
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Sky numbers are behind BBC.
Sky say Con 318
BBC say Con 3210 -
LibDems have lost 300+ deposits.0
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The Libs lost their deposits "in over 300 seats".0
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All the pollsters seemed to be predicting a higher turnout than we actually got. That may help to explain, in part at least, where they went wrong.0
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The Lib Dems are now massively over-represented in the Lords. Normally, ex-cabinet ministers and former leaders would automatically receive a peerage after retirement but that'd add an extra seven peers by itself. Far from convinced they'll get that, never mind more, any time soon.marke09 said:How many of the fallen will end up in the Lords
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Over 300 LD constituencies polled less than 5% and lost their deposits - HOLY MOLY0
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Ken said all the Tories like him and his ilk from the seventies started joining the Lib Dems instead in the nineties. Now look at them, they are all utterly savaged. The nice moderate time is over, it's time for bitter leftists, English-nat Tories and splitters named after fish.FrankBooth said:We now desperately need the few remaining one nation Tories like Ken Clarke to stand up and be counted. I can't believe they are happy with this descent into Union-damaging English grievance, city boys fundraisers and endless Brussels bashing.
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Sky confirming over 300 LD deposit losses.0
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They spent a generation lying trying to be all things to all men, come Government and they were found out. They are thoroughly disreputable and are now back in their box.GIN1138 said:
They aren't dead but they are back to being at the fringes of politics like they was when they were just the Liberal Party.Patrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
I assume they will eventually rebuild as a protest vote but it'll take a generation.0 -
TRying to browse results is an absolute pain on everyone's sites - missing information like total votes, no easy to sort list of all constituencies, opening up a new page for every result - this is a bit of a git.0
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I could have been in bloodbath territory.currystar said:
The best bet in the middle of the night that I have ever had. I still can't work out what made the price on a Tory majority drift so suddenly and so muchMarqueeMark said:Can I just say -
CON MAJORITY NAILED ON!
Thank God i avoided the urge at 2am to bet against a Tory Maj at 1.33 nearly stuck a Grand on it to win £330.
That really would have topped off a very bad lefty evening.
Congratulations to those who got on at 9/1 earlier in the campaign.
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Butcher would be my choice as well. Sly, evasive, innumerate, never done a real job and drenched in Staffordshire blood. Sort of Tony Blair without the personal integrity.Scott_P said:
Andy Burnham could give it a good goSouthamObserver said:As an exercise in destructive futility Ed's leadership of the Labour party will take some beating.
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Didnt she give up? Tick tockwatford30 said:
The continual sniping against Soubry over the last 5 years, both here and by accounts in the constituency, was not.kle4 said:
Yep. Cameron has won a majority but will in effect find it impossible to do anything to Scotland, which is as good as acknowledging we are now two separate countries already.Pulpstar said:The common link between ghe Tories and SNP is very strong leader ratings. Of course FFA will be offered to the Scots now. I think the unionis pretty much done.
He was very gracious last night.watford30 said:Goog grief, just noticed Broxtowe - Soubry gave up, and still won, increasing her majority by 6%.
Nick 'Hubris' Palmer's Tic got Tocked.0 -
So much for the 'tories haven't won a majority in 20 years' line....0
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LOL!bigjohnowls said:
No I will be around for sure.RobD said:
Quite right. I assume you'll be enjoying PB for years to come BJO!Ishmael_X said:
I do hope that doesn't mean off from the site. The loss of the poster who coined EICIPM would impoverish it.bigjohnowls said:
No more of that Crap from me.TGOHF said:
Will there me modifications to the BJESUS methodology for 2020 ?bigjohnowls said:
Thank GodPhilip_Thompson said:EICINELOTO
Ed Is Crap Is Not Even Leader Of The Opposition
I am off to enjoy my retirement and will be interested to see how the next 5 years pan out.
Mrs BJ retires later this year so maybe less frequently after that but it is bloody addictive so maybe just as much.
One for the road for now Eds Idiotic Cameron Is PM (EICIPM)
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Not dead. No, no.....No, 'e's stunned! Lib Dem birds stun easily.Patrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This Lib Dem bird is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
Ref Monty Python and the great late Lady.0 -
Don't tell me the young didn't turn up 'again'.....SouthamObserver said:All the pollsters seemed to be predicting a higher turnout than we actually got. That may help to explain, in part at least, where they went wrong.
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I'm looking forward to Holyrood 2016, lets hope the bookies open up the markets soon !!0
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If, if, Thanet South does become Cons hold we are very very close to the Farage result being the one which would win the majority. Would be so cute but too much to ask for!!0
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Politics abhors a vacuum, and somebody needs to be the opposition to the Tories in the South of England. In theory there's an opening for Labour there with the right leader, but they still have a lot of residual brand damage, and it's not obvious who they can pick who could appeal. Meanwhile the Greens seem determined to be resolutely lefty and a lot of voters are allergic to UKIP.Patrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
So they go back to councils, then hope for a good by-election...0 -
Can someone post a link to a site updating the percentages each party has got on a national basis?
Can't see them on the Beeb site
What numbers are Con and Lab at broadly?
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Someone also said earlier he will be the first private school educated tory to win an election since 1959.Slackbladder said:So much for the 'tories haven't won a majority in 20 years' line....
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I wonder if IOS could opine on Labour's ground game.Slackbladder said:
Don't tell me the young didn't turn up 'again'.....SouthamObserver said:All the pollsters seemed to be predicting a higher turnout than we actually got. That may help to explain, in part at least, where they went wrong.
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But only 1 seat with a vastly reduced majority, Farange finished. This was their time.nigel4england said:
Vote gone from 3% to 12%, think you need to put prejudices to one side as it costs you money.asjohnstone said:Obviously good night for the tories, wiped out the lib dems south of the trent.
Mixed night for labour, net gains in england but not enough to offset the bad losses in Scotland. It's not a total wipeout and it's a good base to build from. Get a proper leader willing to put in the hard yards and victory in 2020 looks likely. The brand is still strong.
Lib Dem and UKIP the big losers of the night; the insurgent purple peoples army was routed by the voting system, and failed to breakthrough everywhere. Farange's career is over. Carswell must be regretting his defection.
Last euros will be the historical highpoint for them
I think it's a dreadful shame, I'd have much preferred to see them break through into the mainstream. They represent a strain of opinion that is becoming isolated from the process.
There will be a pretend referendum on a pretend renegotiation where much like in Scotland where Devomax wasn't offered, a much looser EFA type deal which people would like will not be offered.
But UKIP in its current form is done.0 -
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Parts of GOwer are pretty upmarket. Conundrum now for Blues. Do they slash welsh seat numbers to equalize constituencies having done so well here?0 -
Like health, education and the economy - none are key skills in Wales.TCPoliticalBetting said:
But Leanne said on the tv this morning that PC had a great campaign. WTF. Maths not a key skill in Wales?marke09 said:Final Welsh share
Labour 37% (-1)
Cons 27% (+1)
UKIP 14% (+12)
Plaid Cymru 12% (-1)
Lib Dems 7% (-13)
Others 3% (+2)
The Cons did above expectation in Wales by retaining their Cardiff seat and gaining two Labour seats. Winning Brecon from the LDs was always probable.
Plaid are very sensitive this morning at being called the 4th party in Wales - coming in behind UKIP. Labour is quite concerned at UKIP getting constituency seats at next year's Assembly elections.0 -
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In Hampstead - the dead candidate Ronnie Carroll of Eurovision passim got 118 votes0
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So David Cameron.
Since he became leader of the Tories, David Cameron seen off Charles Kennedy, Tony Blair, Ming Campbell, Gordon Brown, and now Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage.
And he has given the Tories their first majority government for 23 years.
Turns out, for all the abuse I and everyone else has given him over the years, he's actually a bloody leader isn't he?0 -
As I said earlier my daughter is getting a new car. In my very unsuccessful gambling career this is one of the few times I saw an extraordinary price and hammered it. I just need them to get to 326 now.bigjohnowls said:
I could have been in bloodbath territory.currystar said:
The best bet in the middle of the night that I have ever had. I still can't work out what made the price on a Tory majority drift so suddenly and so muchMarqueeMark said:Can I just say -
CON MAJORITY NAILED ON!
Thank God i avoided the urge at 2am to bet against a Tory Maj at 1.33 nearly stuck a Grand on it to win £330.
That really would have topped off a very bad lefty evening.
Congratulations to those who got on at 9/1 earlier in the campaign.
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The Tory vote is now more efficient than the Labour one. The SNP vote is the most efficient of all.
https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/596600570716237825
Good old FPTP!!0 -
Big John Owls
First Rule of betting on Political-Betting:
Know whom your counter-party is. As such; please use PayPal to fund junior's services. If in doubt I can assure you that pulpie has been through said experience (so may be available to advise)....
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This is the BBC page:TheKingofLangley said:Can someone post a link to a site updating the percentages each party has got on a national basis?
Can't see them on the Beeb site
What numbers are Con and Lab at broadly?
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Very nice to see, with one obvious exception, that all the Labour supporters have stuck around and accepted the result with good grace. It's a reflection on their integrity.0
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@ewenmacaskill: Labour's defeated Scottish leader Jim Murphy not standing down. to stay on as leader and fight for seat in Scottish Parliament next year.0
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Tories are on 36.8% now. They got 36.9% in 2010. I think the remaining 14 results will take them above 37%, so an increased vote share in GB compared to the last election.
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They'll now be getting Short money, which they lost when they went into government.Alanbrooke said:
And the killer will be how much they get cut off from cash - less short money fewer donorsPatrick said:Are the LibDems now basically dead? 8 MPs and a pitiful share of the vote - where can they go from here? I assume the media will soon enough just stop talking about them. They have the same number of MPs as the DUP and look set to be as relevant! For so long they stood for nothing and everything. One hung parliament was all it took to expose that. They'll fade from our memories PDQ I suspect.
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Losing a referendum worked out OK for the SNP. Even better if they can persuade the "out" side that they were robbed.asjohnstone said:
But only 1 seat with a vastly reduced majority, Farange finished. This was their time.nigel4england said:
Vote gone from 3% to 12%, think you need to put prejudices to one side as it costs you money.asjohnstone said:Obviously good night for the tories, wiped out the lib dems south of the trent.
Mixed night for labour, net gains in england but not enough to offset the bad losses in Scotland. It's not a total wipeout and it's a good base to build from. Get a proper leader willing to put in the hard yards and victory in 2020 looks likely. The brand is still strong.
Lib Dem and UKIP the big losers of the night; the insurgent purple peoples army was routed by the voting system, and failed to breakthrough everywhere. Farange's career is over. Carswell must be regretting his defection.
Last euros will be the historical highpoint for them
I think it's a dreadful shame, I'd have much preferred to see them break through into the mainstream. They represent a strain of opinion that is becoming isolated from the process.
There will be a pretend referendum on a pretend renegotiation where much like in Scotland where Devomax wasn't offered, a much looser EFA type deal which people would like will not be offered.
But UKIP in its current form is done.0 -
thats a landslide for the SNP next year thenScott_P said:@ewenmacaskill: Labour's defeated Scottish leader Jim Murphy not standing down. to stay on as leader and fight for seat in Scottish Parliament next year.
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It looks like the final vote shares to the nearest whole percentage will be Con 37%, Lab 30%, UKIP 13%, LD 8%.0
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Tory Surge!!!!!!kjohnw said:
thats a landslide for the SNP next year thenScott_P said:@ewenmacaskill: Labour's defeated Scottish leader Jim Murphy not standing down. to stay on as leader and fight for seat in Scottish Parliament next year.
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what will the Milifandom do now?0
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Laura Kuenessberg is a shining beacon in the BBC. She has stayed awake right through, continues to talk immense sense, with passion and looks gorgeous.0
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Mr Gin well said. I have thrown a bunch of brickbats at Cam, v. Disgruntled Tory for a while.0
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Turnout up just 1 point from 2010 at 66%:
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I would like to see Clegg try and walk across England now while avoiding Tory seats0
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It'll be over, thank god. It was utter drivel.Slackbladder said:what will the Milifandom do now?
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I would say yes - since the overall boundaries commission recommendations (which WILL get through this time) will heavily favour them.taffys said:Andyjs
Parts of GOwer are pretty upmarket. Conundrum now for Blues. Do they slash welsh seat numbers to equalize constituencies having done so well here?0 -
It will be particularly encouraging for Cameron that he has won this GE from the centre.
UKIP took 13% of the vote, and a percentage of that vote would've been the LibLabConner's who've peeled away from the Tory right.
I think Cameron should aim to occupy the centre ground a la Blair. But do it with the Tory principles of sound money at its core.
As I said last night, I'd like Cameron to go big on helping the disabled and the many, many carers out there who need help. Be persuasive in making the case that money needs to be diverted to the most needy in society - it'll be the right thing to do and will be immensely popular/would change the face of the Tory party.0 -
Will the SNP be that much different?richardDodd said:I watch an awful lot of HOC debates..I am gonna miss all those lovable, self righteous, smug, barely literate Scottish Labour MPs
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You what?? They were coming from next to nowhere in most seats. They are now the main alternative in 100-odd seats, and have an MP in the HoC voted in twice on the UKIP ticket.asjohnstone said:
But only 1 seat with a vastly reduced majority, Farange finished. This was their time.nigel4england said:
Vote gone from 3% to 12%, think you need to put prejudices to one side as it costs you money.asjohnstone said:Obviously good night for the tories, wiped out the lib dems south of the trent.
Mixed night for labour, net gains in england but not enough to offset the bad losses in Scotland. It's not a total wipeout and it's a good base to build from. Get a proper leader willing to put in the hard yards and victory in 2020 looks likely. The brand is still strong.
Lib Dem and UKIP the big losers of the night; the insurgent purple peoples army was routed by the voting system, and failed to breakthrough everywhere. Farange's career is over. Carswell must be regretting his defection.
Last euros will be the historical highpoint for them
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There are Euros in 2019, a year before 2020. New leader choice is crucial but they can push on.0
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