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In the UK, I mean.FrankBooth said:
Er....... they most definitely have been since 7 October.Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.0 -
White man's burden wasn't itLuckyguy1983 said:
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.Carnyx said:
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
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90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
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The BBC would, pursuant to the Contempt of Court Act 1981, be liable for contempt where it broadcast anything which creates a substantial risk that active legal proceedings in the United Kingdom will be seriously impeded or prejudiced.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It’s the same with any criminal case after an arrest has been made. Linking the stabbing to the rumours that began the current unrest could prejudice proceedings. That’s the BBC’s rationale anyway. Have a word with their lawyer if you disagree.
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It seems the Daily Mail have published the location of Tommy's hotel, and now he is very upset that people might attack him there...
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A good (and IMO fair) article on the controversy over boxing at the Olympics:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o0 -
Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.0
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Cyprus? Hmmm.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13707385/tommy-robinson-five-star-hotel-cyprus-foot-soldiers-run-riot-violent-protests-britain.html
For a bankrupt he never seems short of a bob or two.0 -
Woo, three medals for Ukraine in field sports, in the last half an hour.2
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Depends which community. There are large numbers of both fully ashkenazi or half-jewish people who can't be distinguished from any other North Europeans, but there are also middle-Eastern Jews and about 200,000 in Orthodox clothes.Nunu5 said:
Am I wrong? Majority of Jewish in Britain today LOOK white. You couldn't tell them apart from a Russian in Londontlg86 said:
Is that you Diane?Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.1 -
He's just attention seeking in between his internet searches for women in burkhas as per usual.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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More Asian men attacking lone white individuals. appears to be in response to earlier violence meted out by overwhelmingly white anti- immigrant marchers
https://x.com/alextomo/status/1820150673037750684?t=VmllMYu21gANxoansr8e0w&s=19
Starmer really needed to be stronger on, people aren't to take revenge, let the police do their work, we will be adding resources to protest you.
Appears a mob are now attacking a hotel in Tamworth. That traditionally is a pretty boring kind of town.1 -
I think the philisophy of the white man's burden was invented after the fact as so many philosophies are.kamski said:
White man's burden wasn't itLuckyguy1983 said:
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.Carnyx said:
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024
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https://x.com/nazirafzal/status/1819850774706344317
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
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The approach that works is multiple cultures without “separate development” - there’s a word in Afrikaans that is handy…Barnesian said:
Thanks for the response. So it's not skin colour or religion. It's multiple cultures.Leon said:
My beef is with absurd leftist nostrums like multiculturalism - parallel societies with parallel values. It is a disaster. Also the idea that you can have essentially limitless migration and asylum from any culture worldwide and it won’t cause enormous problems - and that anyone who complains should be labelled and silenced as a racist, which solves all issuesBarnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid
I love London. I think it is the greatest city in the world. And part of what makes it so is the mixture of cultures. I love the diversity of languages, clothes, food, music. It's got energy and surprise.
Would you prefer London to be like Bournemouth? Old white couples, bless them, harmlessly wandering around exploring its biologically diverse gardens and planning their next bridge game.
PS I like the Danish approach.
Think of Switzerland. The Germans, the French and Italians. Add in the religious wars of the reformation. Stir. Add in more guns per head than America. And yet, what do you have?1 -
Yeah. It's very complex. But boxing always throws up Olympic controversy. Its case for staying in the Games isn't great.JosiasJessop said:A good (and IMO fair) article on the controversy over boxing at the Olympics:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o1 -
That's very different though. He doesn't use full stops for one thing. The iconoclast that he is.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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Concealed carry of nuclear weapons is insane.kyf_100 said:
Bah. I'm supposed to be the batshit insane libertarian on this forum.Malmesbury said:
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?KnightOut said:When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you
A) shoot them
B ) challenge them to a single stick duel
C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you -
A) buy it
B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast
C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
Where does KnightOut stand on the legalisation of drugs, the trans issue, and the right of every upstanding British citizen to concealed carry an M28 Davy Crockett for personal protection?
Your manservant should proudly carry it, 3 steps behind you. No deterence otherwise.4 -
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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The BLM protests were largely peaceful with only a few arrests, some for social distancing breaches not violent disorder. They weren't torching mosques, libraries or hotels.darkage said:I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.
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His usual brainlessness, obvs.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.0 -
At the Army base I visit on a Sunday I love the juxtaposition of messages
On the left, blue sign
“Volunteer Gliding Squadron”
On the right, red sign
“Compulsory Drug Testing”
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I'm in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state and sound money and a lot more and I'm a liberal. You haven't described anything there that makes you right wing.KnightOut said:When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.1 -
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I was quite surprised when I was digging into the Thailand wikipedia pages how much "islamist" (drugs/smuggling/IRA-esque) violence they have. I'd really no idea there were so many deaths.Malmesbury said:
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Over 6,500 people died and almost 12,000 were injured between 2004 and 2015 in a formerly ethnic separatist insurgency, which has currently been taken over by hard-line jihadis and pitted them against both the Thai-speaking Buddhist minority and local Muslims who have a moderate approach or who support the Thai government.
Many Thais in the U.K. are Muslims who left because they felt under threat by the more… err.. outspoken Buddhists and the more outspoken “separatist” types. No safe middle ground in some parts of the country.1 -
One fervently expects it's the Greek bit.Flatlander said:
Cyprus? Hmmm.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13707385/tommy-robinson-five-star-hotel-cyprus-foot-soldiers-run-riot-violent-protests-britain.html
For a bankrupt he never seems short of a bob or two.0 -
Two Cheers for Democracy (as some famous author once said). There are non-violent ways to correct mistakes in democracies. The city of Seattle went too far left, got too much drug use, disorder, and crime, and has reversed itself under a new mayor, Bruce Harrell, who has been trying to reform, and build back the police force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Harrell
He's a good man trying to do the mostly right things, with a fascinating background. And he now has the support of a moderate city council majority (by Seattle standards).
I wish him luck. (He'll need it.)
Meanwhile, the leading Democratic candidate for Washington state governor, Bob Ferguson, is calling for more police officers. (I haven't seen the details, but would be interested, because of the complexity of the issue. The state police, which are under the governor, mostly patrol the highways, so I assume he is thinking of some kind of subsidy to cities and counties.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ferguson_(politician)
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{draws giant two handed sword}Northern_Al said:
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
Heretic !!!!!!1 -
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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I would say you have to be on drugs to fly a plane without an engine, but I have and I'm not.BlancheLivermore said:At the Army base I visit on a Sunday I love the juxtaposition of messages
On the left, blue sign
“Volunteer Gliding Squadron”
On the right, red sign
“Compulsory Drug Testing”2 -
Here goes then, eyes down for the most exciting ten seconds of TV you’ll watch this year!1
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100 m mens final now0
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The Midland Main Line's the best! Better than anything the LNER or GWR could produce!!!!!Malmesbury said:
{draws giant two handed sword}Northern_Al said:
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
Heretic !!!!!!1 -
Kelly’s prior profession might make him a very useful addition to the corridors of power in the next couple of years.Malmesbury said:
Picking a VP to swing their state has a rather spotty track record.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.0 -
The BBC report on Bolton said it was peaceful until the police were attacked by members of the Asian community.FrancisUrquhart said:More Asian men attacking lone white individuals. appears to be in response to earlier violence meted out by overwhelmingly white anti- immigrant marchers
https://x.com/alextomo/status/1820150673037750684?t=VmllMYu21gANxoansr8e0w&s=19
Starmer really needed to be stronger on, people aren't to take revenge, let the police do their work, we will be adding resources to protest you.
Appears a mob are now attacking a hotel in Tamworth. That traditionally is a pretty boring kind of town.
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That isn't true. There were 300 arrests, of which 20 were for breaching COVID regulations. The 6th June BLM protest there was some serious public disorder.Dopermean said:
The BLM protests were largely peaceful with only a few arrests, some for social distancing breaches not violent disorder. They weren't torching mosques, libraries or hotels.darkage said:I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.
Then Tommy and his band of merry men turned up the next weekend and it was for a few hours it was very nasty between both the police and then subsections of the two groups.1 -
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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They didn't do eff all. They wrote a very long report at some expense. There was some earnest hand-wringing. And, I think you'll find, found some lessons to be learned.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
See also Grenfell, umpteen children's homes down the years, blah. Soon we'll have a very long and very earnest report into the current rioting.
By 'soon' I mean in five to ten years time and upwards of £50m in costs. More lessons to be learned added to the list. Long polemics written by the fourth estate. Sad and solemn words said in parliament.0 -
Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. 👋Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die1 -
There is video of the library being burned in Liverpool, those inside building the fire by adding chairs etc, look very young.0
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Lyles! Told youse.1
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Lyles for US narrowly bears Thomson for Jamaice in Olympics mens' 100m final0
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Wow what a race!0
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How did Lyles win that....he was miles behind with 10m to go.0
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Photo finish!0
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Many Thais in the U.K. are Muslims who left because they felt under threat by the more… err.. outspoken Buddhists and the more outspoken “separatist” types. No safe middle ground in some parts of the country.Malmesbury said:ohnotnow said:
I was quite surprised when I was digging into the Thailand wikipedia pages how much "islamist" (drugs/smuggling/IRA-esque) violence they have. I'd really no idea there were so many deaths.Malmesbury said:
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Over 6,500 people died and almost 12,000 were injured between 2004 and 2015 in a formerly ethnic separatist insurgency, which has currently been taken over by hard-line jihadis and pitted them against both the Thai-speaking Buddhist minority and local Muslims who have a moderate approach or who support the Thai government.
Buddhists. Don't get me started!...
(joking - in the current climate - just to be clear)
(Though again - I was surprised when it turned out the nice Buddhist people were also capable of brutal violence. I'm a sucker for marketing it seems...)0 -
9.91 and you finish last. Tough gig.4
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Those lads are definitely on the baking soda.1
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Won on the dip!
7th Place went under 9.9.1 -
An excellent race and an advert for these Games, which are turning out better than most expected.0
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https://x.com/runthinkwrite/status/1820140123197194547JosiasJessop said:A good (and IMO fair) article on the controversy over boxing at the Olympics:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o
Jon Pike
@runthinkwrite
Whatever the political disputes between a Putin-influenced IBA and an indentitarian-influenced IOC consider this:
What would a global sports authority that was genuinely committed to the integrity of female sport do?
And compare that to what is unfolding
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I said “justify”. Or, alternatively, “excuse” if you prefer. Not “praise”.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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Seville who finished last showed signs of an injury just after his semi win.
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Only if you're able to ignore blatant doping by the Chinese in swimming. In a few years there will be another "scandal" and WADA will have been shown to be just as useless as they were with the Russians.Babbage9 said:An excellent race and a advert for these Games, which are turning out better than most expected.
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I would and you might need some encouragement to do it in a war zone!kjh said:
I would say you have to be on drugs to fly a plane without an engine, but I have and I'm not.BlancheLivermore said:At the Army base I visit on a Sunday I love the juxtaposition of messages
On the left, blue sign
“Volunteer Gliding Squadron”
On the right, red sign
“Compulsory Drug Testing”0 -
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.
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The 100m sprinters would be getting themselves a regularly speeding ticket in Wales....0
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Was last after 30 metres. Imagine what he could have done with a decent start.FrancisUrquhart said:How did Lyles win that....he was miles behind with 10m to go.
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As a 'rightist' on this board, I'm not remotely insecure about my arguments, nor afraid to engage with a contrary viewpoint, nor prone to 'slurs' - those tend to come my way far more than the other way around.DougSeal said:
I said “justify”. Or, alternatively, “excuse” if you prefer. Not “praise”.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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Surrounded by heresy! cruuuuuussssssaaaaaaadddde!JosiasJessop said:
The Midland Main Line's the best! Better than anything the LNER or GWR could produce!!!!!Malmesbury said:
{draws giant two handed sword}Northern_Al said:
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
Heretic !!!!!!1 -
This website is substantially more boring than it was three or four years ago. There used to be very strident back and forths with compelling arguments each way that were genuinely illuminating. But almost all the voices that didn't conform to dull Starmerism have gone. Leon is one of the few regular commenters that still argues regularly from the right. And of course now they want him banned too.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.2 -
Unlike the pole vaulter the other day where it cost him a medal, having your manhood untucked might be the difference between gold and 4th.Sandpit said:Here’s the finish photo.
https://x.com/danslamusette/status/18201876213160673930 -
Quite an unedifying pile on against Leon tonight.2
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And no women at all these days. We used to have quite a few.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.1 -
Peak PB was 2010-ish, where people actually discussed pros and cons of policy backed up by data.WillG said:
This website is substantially more boring than it was three or four years ago. There used to be very strident back and forths with compelling arguments each way that were genuinely illuminating. But almost all the voices that didn't conform to dull Starmerism have gone. Leon is one of the few regular commenters that still argues regularly from the right. And of course now they want him banned too.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.3 -
Many people drop in, become regulars for a bit, then drop out. Of those that stay most are in the 35-65 range, and skewed towards the older. There are some young people, but not many.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.3 -
I prefer a more modern approach: an AG drone with the M388 and a mock up RCL rifle as a deliberately retro payload, but also several knife missiles concealed here and there.Malmesbury said:
Concealed carry of nuclear weapons is insane.kyf_100 said:
Bah. I'm supposed to be the batshit insane libertarian on this forum.Malmesbury said:
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?KnightOut said:When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you
A) shoot them
B ) challenge them to a single stick duel
C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you -
A) buy it
B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast
C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
Where does KnightOut stand on the legalisation of drugs, the trans issue, and the right of every upstanding British citizen to concealed carry an M28 Davy Crockett for personal protection?
Your manservant should proudly carry it, 3 steps behind you. No deterence otherwise.0 -
Buddhists. Don't get me started!...ohnotnow said:
Many Thais in the U.K. are Muslims who left because they felt under threat by the more… err.. outspoken Buddhists and the more outspoken “separatist” types. No safe middle ground in some parts of the country.Malmesbury said:ohnotnow said:
I was quite surprised when I was digging into the Thailand wikipedia pages how much "islamist" (drugs/smuggling/IRA-esque) violence they have. I'd really no idea there were so many deaths.Malmesbury said:
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Over 6,500 people died and almost 12,000 were injured between 2004 and 2015 in a formerly ethnic separatist insurgency, which has currently been taken over by hard-line jihadis and pitted them against both the Thai-speaking Buddhist minority and local Muslims who have a moderate approach or who support the Thai government.
(joking - in the current climate - just to be clear)
(Though again - I was surprised when it turned out the nice Buddhist people were also capable of brutal violence. I'm a sucker for marketing it seems...)
There is no creed that has not been turned to such ends. Nor is one possible.0 -
Hey, come on. The Peak Line and the Settle and Carlisle were both on the MML. No other main route went through anything like it.Malmesbury said:
Surrounded by heresy! cruuuuuussssssaaaaaaadddde!JosiasJessop said:
The Midland Main Line's the best! Better than anything the LNER or GWR could produce!!!!!Malmesbury said:
{draws giant two handed sword}Northern_Al said:
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
Heretic !!!!!!2 -
These guys will facing each other more regularly next year. Michael Johnson is fronting a new venture called Grand Slam Track.
Based on the majors in golf and the grand slam tournaments in tennis.
No field events only track.
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Socially centre-left types just like to make up shit to argue against, because they can't argue your actual viewpoints. It's why I was accused of blaming victims on the last thread by TSE. When the only people I ever blamed were the authorities and the media. It's like their brains stop engaging when they see it is a viewpoint outside the centre-left consensus. They just assume you have said their what their stereotype view would say. Regardless of what you actually said.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
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Field-ist....EScrymgeour said:These guys will facing each other more regularly next year. Michael Johnson is fronting a new venture called Grand Slam Track.
Based on the majors in golf and the grand slam tournaments in tennis.
No field events only track.0 -
You may get a little pushback on here because of your track record of shilling for Russia - whether it was over the MH17 shootdown or Ukrainian biolabs.Luckyguy1983 said:,,,
As a 'rightist' on this board, I'm not remotely insecure about my arguments, nor afraid to engage with a contrary viewpoint, nor prone to 'slurs' - those tend to come my way far more than the other way around.DougSeal said:
I said “justify”. Or, alternatively, “excuse” if you prefer. Not “praise”.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
And as those examples show, your 'arguments' are often ludicrous.
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Hey! The year I joined! Glad to know it hasn't descended since then...FrancisUrquhart said:
Peak PB was 2010-ish, where people actually discussed pros and cons of policy backed up by data.WillG said:
This website is substantially more boring than it was three or four years ago. There used to be very strident back and forths with compelling arguments each way that were genuinely illuminating. But almost all the voices that didn't conform to dull Starmerism have gone. Leon is one of the few regular commenters that still argues regularly from the right. And of course now they want him banned too.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.1 -
Would you prefer IF they were reversed?BlancheLivermore said:At the Army base I visit on a Sunday I love the juxtaposition of messages
On the left, blue sign
“Volunteer Gliding Squadron”
On the right, red sign
“Compulsory Drug Testing”1 -
I got shouted at for linking to polling earlier, because it showed a particularly unpopular politician as perhaps having a point.FrancisUrquhart said:
Peak PB was 2010-ish, where people actually discussed pros and cons of policy backed up by data.WillG said:
This website is substantially more boring than it was three or four years ago. There used to be very strident back and forths with compelling arguments each way that were genuinely illuminating. But almost all the voices that didn't conform to dull Starmerism have gone. Leon is one of the few regular commenters that still argues regularly from the right. And of course now they want him banned too.darkage said:
I didn't read all the comments but would agree that there is a tendency to want to turn the website in to a safe space for the centre left, by trying to shut down all the forces that seek to challenge the dominant worldview. If this succeeds the website is effectively dead, because it becomes people of the same worldview logging on to agree with each other, a form of companionship and therapy perhaps, but not useful debate.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
One comment I would make, and not something that is really discussed, is that there are no new young posters. I'd guess a large majority are in their 50's or older, some in their 40's. It is starting to noticeably affect the discussions.1 -
The gliding should be compulsory - it’s great fun!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Would you prefer IF they were reversed?BlancheLivermore said:At the Army base I visit on a Sunday I love the juxtaposition of messages
On the left, blue sign
“Volunteer Gliding Squadron”
On the right, red sign
“Compulsory Drug Testing”
(Although I do wonder what modern health and safety types would say, if someone proposed today either of the usual launch methods without a long history and grandfather rights!).0 -
It’s a shame they can’t use rubber bullets on the scum causing all this devastation.0
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I love how the blame for moron racist scum burning hotels full of people and desperately trying to attack mosques is "lefties" who apparently should take ownership of their actions.
Unlike said moron racists of course. Who were provoked into it by leftists and aren't responsible for their actions. Or something.6 -
Actually having checked, I gave an example of this behavior by TSE in the comment Scott actually replied to. But of course, Scott can't engage with what actually happened, proving my point.WillG said:1 -
No-one has said this. You are arguing against a completely made up scenario in your own head.RochdalePioneers said:I love how the blame for moron racist scum burning hotels full of people and desperately trying to attack mosques is "lefties" who apparently should take ownership of their actions.
Unlike said moron racists of course. Who were provoked into it by leftists and aren't responsible for their actions. Or something.1 -
I am always happy to learn new things, and sometimes I've found taking a strong position and attracting counter-arguments that can change my initial view to be a good, if unintended outcome.JosiasJessop said:
You may get a little pushback on here because of your track record of shilling for Russia - whether it was over the MH17 shootdown or Ukrainian biolabs.Luckyguy1983 said:,,,
As a 'rightist' on this board, I'm not remotely insecure about my arguments, nor afraid to engage with a contrary viewpoint, nor prone to 'slurs' - those tend to come my way far more than the other way around.DougSeal said:
I said “justify”. Or, alternatively, “excuse” if you prefer. Not “praise”.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
And as those examples show, your 'arguments' are often ludicrous.
Needless to say, that hasn't happened with your responses, which are usually puerile smears.0 -
Fields medal. 100m the fastest, and you have to prove it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Field-ist....EScrymgeour said:These guys will facing each other more regularly next year. Michael Johnson is fronting a new venture called Grand Slam Track.
Based on the majors in golf and the grand slam tournaments in tennis.
No field events only track.1 -
I think part of the issue facing PB is that politics has been moving very fast since about 2015, and especially since 2019. Before then, whilst there was change and scandals, they happened at a much slower rate.
For the last few years both main parties have been in considerable flux, with Corbyn, and Boris and his successors taking their parties into uncharted waters. There has been no stability, and the extremes of left and right have had their time in the limelight. It's hard to talk about policy details when a party's leadership changes as radically as it has from Cameron to Truss, or from Ed to Corbyn to Starmer.
We used to argue over VAT on pasties, for goodness' sake! What innocent times.
Politics, and the world as a whole, could do with a few quiet years.3 -
I remember being one of a handful of Labour supporters on here, taking a battering every thread.
Wasn't that long ago.8 -
I actually have some knowledge of this as my job involves defending organisations from claims of, and on the other side bringing claims of, racism in the labour market. I have to read any number of reports, consider statistics etc. What I can say with confidence is that racism against white people in the job market is virtually non-existent. Racism against non-white communities in the job market is very real.williamglenn said:
To what extent do you think that anti-white racism exists in communities within Britain and is it a problem?DougSeal said:
It’s not whites against non-whites. It’s facists against non-fascists.Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
As for prejudice against white people, yes, that also exists. Undoubtedly. But whatever the snowflakes tell you the burden of racism in this country is, and this should be obvious, borne by people of colour and the Jewish community. The white community has not had to suffer for the horrific crimes of Ian Brady, Levi Bellfield, the Wests, Jimmy Saville, or any number of heinous criminals in that community. But as soon as a person of colour is the prime suspect in a horrific incident, whole communities (ironically not the specific community that this suspect belonged to) are expected to answer for that. Similarly the whole Jewish community is expected to answer for the actions of the IDF, equally bigoted.
These events were triggered by Monday’s atrocity in Southport. The Southport suspect is black and, as a result, people of colour suffer the backlash, and right wingers see that as in some way justified. It’s a double standard and I won’t cease calling that out.12 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_KingdomFrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't true. There were 300 arrests, of which 20 were for breaching COVID regulations. The 6th June BLM protest there was some serious public disorder.Dopermean said:
The BLM protests were largely peaceful with only a few arrests, some for social distancing breaches not violent disorder. They weren't torching mosques, libraries or hotels.darkage said:I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.
Then Tommy and his band of merry men turned up the next weekend and it was for a few hours it was very nasty between both the police and then subsections of the two groups.
Given the numbers at the marches, the arrests are a very small % and it's not clear if the Met differentiated between protesters and counter-protesters. Also they tore down some statues, they weren't torching buildings putting lives at risk.1 -
Oh come off it. @leon is provocative, posts endlessly and can handle himself robustly. He doesn't need any help or sympathy and probably doesn't appreciate it. I've never seen him not holding his own. Double entendre not intended, but appropriate given his recent postings about socks.moonshine said:Quite an unedifying pile on against Leon tonight.
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The 6th and 13th was very bad days. On the 13th in particular there was widespread lawlessness, where people were severely beaten to an extent that they could have been killed, there is some footage of that happening in isolated cases today and yesterday. But no, we didn't have US style "mostly peaceful" riots.Dopermean said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_KingdomFrancisUrquhart said:
That isn't true. There were 300 arrests, of which 20 were for breaching COVID regulations. The 6th June BLM protest there was some serious public disorder.Dopermean said:
The BLM protests were largely peaceful with only a few arrests, some for social distancing breaches not violent disorder. They weren't torching mosques, libraries or hotels.darkage said:I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.
Then Tommy and his band of merry men turned up the next weekend and it was for a few hours it was very nasty between both the police and then subsections of the two groups.
Given the numbers at the marches, the arrests are a very small % and it's not clear if the Met differentiated between protesters and counter-protesters. Also they tore down some statues, they weren't torching buildings putting lives at risk.
Unlike France, violence at protests turning into riots are very rare in the UK, it is why the shock in Wales the other year, in Leeds the other week and now how it is spiralled the past few days. Its why we all remember 2011, as it stood out as a really bad example, same as Brixton riots.0 -
200 metres is quicker.carnforth said:
Fields medal. 100m the fastest, and you have to prove it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Field-ist....EScrymgeour said:These guys will facing each other more regularly next year. Michael Johnson is fronting a new venture called Grand Slam Track.
Based on the majors in golf and the grand slam tournaments in tennis.
No field events only track.0 -
No, I think I’m pretty much donekjh said:
Oh come off it. @leon is provocative, posts endlessly and can handle himself robustly. He doesn't need any help or sympathy and probably doesn't appreciate it. I've never seen him not holding his own. Double entendre not intended, but appropriate given his recent postings about socks.moonshine said:Quite an unedifying pile on against Leon tonight.
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That really doesn't wash.Luckyguy1983 said:
I am always happy to learn new things, and sometimes I've found taking a strong position and attracting counter-arguments that can change my initial view to be a good, if unintended outcome.JosiasJessop said:
You may get a little pushback on here because of your track record of shilling for Russia - whether it was over the MH17 shootdown or Ukrainian biolabs.Luckyguy1983 said:,,,
As a 'rightist' on this board, I'm not remotely insecure about my arguments, nor afraid to engage with a contrary viewpoint, nor prone to 'slurs' - those tend to come my way far more than the other way around.DougSeal said:
I said “justify”. Or, alternatively, “excuse” if you prefer. Not “praise”.Leon said:
Yes. Because of course I praised the burning of libraries. That’s what I doDougSeal said:
Lol. That’s exactly what Leon does and I’d hardly describe him as centre-left. Indeed the rightists here are so insecure in their arguments they don’t even bother to engage with a contrary viewpoint before resorting to slurs. The knots the right tie themselves in here to justify burning libraries and then insult anyone who dares suggest that might not be a good idea are quite remarkable.WillG said:
People were actively arguing for him to be banned on the last thread, based on "Islamophobia" when he didn't say anything about Islam. And I was accused of being a Nazi, because I pointed out the authorities did eff all about 10,000 raped kids. It is just how centre-left people are. If they don't like a viewpoint, they don't try to argue against it but slur, insult and ban.DougSeal said:Can someone explain to me how exactly Leon is being “silenced” on here? From personal experience I know he’s not averse to shutting people down with a few choice ad hominems.
And as those examples show, your 'arguments' are often ludicrous.
Needless to say, that hasn't happened with your responses, which are usually puerile smears.
You show no indication you have learnt from those incidents. I wasn't the one who started calling you 'PutinsGuy'.
'usually puerile smears' ? I'd prefer to call them factual reminders of who you are.
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Despite the implicit anti-Semitism of their views on the Old Testament God, the Cathars had little hostility to Jews as people and Jews probably had a higher status in Cathar territories than they had anywhere else in Europe at the time. Cathars appointed Jews as bailiffs and to other roles as public officials, which further increased the Catholic Church's anger at the Cathars.[59]Leon said:On a more cheerful note, Béziers is genuinely odd
It’s very beautiful - like so many French towns - it has some spectacular views across the languedoc valleys and a quaint pretty historic quarter. Plus some handsome 19th century boulevards and squares
In most countries it would be prized as a jewel and be upper middle class for sure. But the people here feel like somewhat poorer Brits. A lot of tatts and smoking. Quite shit restaurants everywhere. Cheap clothes and cheap booze
It’s hard for a Briton to reconcile the apparently elegant Mediterranean urbanism with a poorer citizenry
Can it possibly be a psychographical hangover from the Albigensian crusade?! A cursed town?0 -
That’s also a good pub quiz question (although the current WR is slightly faster for the 100m, 9.58 vs 19.19).dixiedean said:
200 metres is quicker.carnforth said:
Fields medal. 100m the fastest, and you have to prove it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Field-ist....EScrymgeour said:These guys will facing each other more regularly next year. Michael Johnson is fronting a new venture called Grand Slam Track.
Based on the majors in golf and the grand slam tournaments in tennis.
No field events only track.
As is the distance of the fastest (in speed) race at the Olympics, which is the 4x100m relay.0 -
I was saying BJ would be a terrible PM whilst he was still MoL - the Garden Bridge debacle showing all the traits that would eventually bring him down.FF43 said:
I was actually called deranged for thinking Boris Johnson a suboptimal prime minister.dixiedean said:I remember being one of a handful of Labour supporters on here, taking a battering every thread.
Wasn't that long ago.
I got a lot of pushback over that. The defefew people defending the Garden Bridge project on here were hilarious.
But I have to disagree with your main point. You are deranged if you think BJ was a suboptimal PM.
He was much worse than that...3
