But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
Do you, Leon?
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brink
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
Weren't you supporting FoM from Europe a few weeks ago ?
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
Do you, Leon?
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brink
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
I saw that. Seemed odd she cut across him and cut him off without allowing him to expand on the point he was making.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
Do you, Leon?
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brink
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
As far as I can see, it's SKS who is trying to create division.
What I am in favour of is equal application of the law across communities, colours and creeds. My theory is that far from being complicated, the vast majority of political issues are very simple. Apply the law equally in a colourblind fashion, and you don't get Rotherham, you don't get Harehills, and you don't get Southport. Remember Adam Smith's dictum -
"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism, but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
This is a tolerable adminstration of justice issue.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
Do you, Leon?
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brink
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
Agreed. Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
When I defended social services and police in Harehills for taking investigation of suspected child abuse seriously, I was set upon by right wingers on here. It wasn't left wingers being apologist for those rioters either.
Indeed a few too many right wingers here have spent the last month talking up trouble, following Lenin's saying "The worse, the better" for their fellow citizens.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
I’m guessing your reply is to Rochdale and not me !
From another point of view, it's one community determined to attack almost any other community. Tommy Robinson's white working-class teenagers attacking Muslim people, Hindu people, Black people, and soon probably also Eastern Europeans, too.
The vast majority of the huge number of different British communities are not at each other's throats, this summer.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
The same happened when Adam Boulton on Sky interviewed a former police officer at the height of the BLM protests. Asked if the police were actively targeting black people, he replied that on the contrary, the police had virtually given up policing that community. The interview was terminated in seconds. This is on an avowedly right wing channel with an avowedly right wing gammon presenter.
Simply apply the law equally without fear or favour, everyone will know where they stand, and community cohesion will improve as a result.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.
Why would it apply here? Are we not going to talk about a very serious crime that has been committed in the last couple of weeks? How often does that happen?
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
There does seem to be a more general pattern of media publicity among crime victims possibly based upon what journalists are interested in or think their readers are interested in
Middle class > working class White > non-white Female > male Pretty > ugly Young > old London > non-London People like us > people different to us
Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 26m Worth spreading these videos as much as possible, the more humiliating the better. Part of the task of the next few days is messaging: you'll be arrested, you'll go to prison, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.
"Rioters set fire to ‘library of the future’ in Liverpool
Far-Right rioters set fire to a library in one of the UK’s most deprived areas, leaving parts of it “completely destroyed”. Spellow Lane Library Hub, in Walton, north Liverpool, was set ablaze on Saturday evening, and footage showed people laughing as flames consumed the building. The library, which was reopened last year by the city’s Lord Mayor, was hailed as the ‘library of the future’ and helped provide routes into education and employment for the community. The area lies in the third most deprived ward in the UK. Speaking about the damage to the library, a spokesperson for Liverpool City Council told The Telegraph: “It’s such a shame because it’s such a community asset. It’s really sad. “Elements of it are completely destroyed. Even the bits that look ok, there will probably be some smoke damage.” Council officials were visiting the library on Sunday morning to inspect the damage."
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
Why wasn’t that said instead of just cutting him off, assuming that was actually the reason.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the country
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The non whites are British people as well you asshat
At what point do I say anything else you knob?
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
Do you, Leon?
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brink
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?
Yes and much impressed by the statement made by his replacement:
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.
The only point on which I have the slightest bit of sympathy with such views, is based on the unresolved delays in the administration of justice, which mean that even the most violent crimes can take many years to come to court.
Almost certainly that has contributed to the current lack of confidence in the criminal justice system.
It doesn’t excuse conspiracy theories, but it does create an environment in which they flourish.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
Agreed. Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.
Why would it apply here? Are we not going to talk about a very serious crime that has been committed in the last couple of weeks? How often does that happen?
It happens many many times, hence your ignorance.
We can talk about it when the trial starts and the jury has been selected.
But I am guessing it could be for several reasons, people on social media already doxxed the wrong person/motive.
There may well be other charges/people involved that the police and CPS are still investigating.
A recent example was Jolyon Maughan causing the trial of the murder of Brianna Ghey to coming close to being abandoned.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
Because we, shamefully, didn't see Johnny Foreigner as fully human. Now we do, and the values we used to apply only amongst ourselves now apply to all.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
I doubt many of these racists are actually proper british, pre-roman invasion stock.
There's a real mix by the looks of things. From the inital EDL types, to younger chav/roadman idiots who don't seem to be protesting but are along for a riot/looting, and then there are what might broadly be described as spectators who are along to cheer the riotters and get some video for social media. They aren't all white, not all of them seem to be political or protesting, and I'm fairly sure a decent number aren't in their own minds even participating.
I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
Because we, shamefully, didn't see Johnny Foreigner as fully human. Now we do, and the values we used to apply only amongst ourselves now apply to all.
Not the values' fault per se.
Hmmmmmmm.
I'm not sure the rapacious capitalists of nineteenth century England and Scotland, with rare exceptions like the Cadburys, Robert Owen or Friedrich Engels, saw their workers as fully human either.
And the Enclosures were asset theft on a grand scale.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
George Washington
If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger."
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.
Never a core British value?
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
It’s very beautiful - like so many French towns - it has some spectacular views across the languedoc valleys and a quaint pretty historic quarter. Plus some handsome 19th century boulevards and squares
In most countries it would be prized as a jewel and be upper middle class for sure. But the people here feel like somewhat poorer Brits. A lot of tatts and smoking. Quite shit restaurants everywhere. Cheap clothes and cheap booze
It’s hard for a Briton to reconcile the apparently elegant Mediterranean urbanism with a poorer citizenry
Can it possibly be a psychographical hangover from the Albigensian crusade?! A cursed town?
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
I wouldn't say pre-modern Britain was more or less violent or thieving than other countries. Modern Britain is definitely less violent and criminal or corrupt than the global average, at least according to relevant international rankings.
As for traditional values, how relevant are they really? When it comes to today's political debates, does it matter what we were like in the 17th century? Anyway, British history is long and complicated enough that you can cherry-pick any value you want and claim either that it is a traditional value, or that it is complete anathema to us.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Picking a VP to swing their state has a rather spotty track record.
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
Agreed. Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.
Someone was just talking about stupid whataboutery.
I'm on the left, but British history is not just pillage and exploitation.
There is a very specific liberal tradition here worth taking some pride in here, or at least seeking to perpetuate, just as the French take pride in theirs.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
Agreed. Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.
Someone was just talking about stupid whataboutery.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value.
Never heard of the British Empire?
I studied the British Empire. The majority of Britain's territorial expansion came in just the way I describe - previously those countries were British spheres of influence so we were able to benefit without actually having to plant the flag. When other countries or regional powers became powerful and threatened our interests, those territories were made official colonies. That's how most of the Empire came about. Like marrying your girlfriend to stop her going off with someone else. If you can get all the goods and don't think she'll go off with someone else, you don't need to propose. It's an indelicate analogy but it works just about.
"Rioters set fire to ‘library of the future’ in Liverpool
Far-Right rioters set fire to a library in one of the UK’s most deprived areas, leaving parts of it “completely destroyed”. Spellow Lane Library Hub, in Walton, north Liverpool, was set ablaze on Saturday evening, and footage showed people laughing as flames consumed the building. The library, which was reopened last year by the city’s Lord Mayor, was hailed as the ‘library of the future’ and helped provide routes into education and employment for the community. The area lies in the third most deprived ward in the UK. Speaking about the damage to the library, a spokesperson for Liverpool City Council told The Telegraph: “It’s such a shame because it’s such a community asset. It’s really sad. “Elements of it are completely destroyed. Even the bits that look ok, there will probably be some smoke damage.” Council officials were visiting the library on Sunday morning to inspect the damage."
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
I wouldn't say pre-modern Britain was more or less violent or thieving than other countries. Modern Britain is definitely less violent and criminal or corrupt than the global average, at least according to relevant international rankings.
As for traditional values, how relevant are they really? When it comes to today's political debates, does it matter what we were like in the 17th century? Anyway, British history is long and complicated enough that you can cherry-pick any value you want and claim either that it is a traditional value, or that it is complete anathema to us.
Then don't call them 'traditional British values.'
It isn't true and it isn't convincing.
It makes them come across as 'the indoctrination wish list of a bunch of hypocritical drunks and smackheads.'
Well, of course, that's what they *are*, but there are ways of making it less obvious with just a little intellige...ah, I see the problem.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.
Never a core British value?
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.
Never a core British value?
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
Fuck no
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.
Good, I commend you.
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whataboutery
Agreed. Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.
Or imbecile wannabes referring to the police as 'the feds'.
Massive pet peeve of mine, dickheads going to a gig and filming the whole thing with their cellphone.
Yes. The row in front spend the who concert filming the show on mahoosive phones. The row behind are drunken “singers” who sing like peacocks screeching.
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value 10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024 · 2.1M Views"
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.
Never a core British value?
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.
The Sultan of Zanzibar might disagree with you.
I admit I didn't know very much about Zanzibar specifically, but a quick Google indicates much the same pattern I've described.
British influence in the region grew and grew, it became a protectorate in 1890, but when the Britain-friendly Sultan died in suspicious circumstances and the successor was less friendly to British interests, war and invasion followed. That's a a variation on the 'sphere-of-influence>challenge>invasion-solidification' pattern.
It's also worth remembering that the Sultans themselves were outsiders, from Oman.
When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
The hope that a crowd of billy goats will gather on the bridge and engage him in conversation.
Is there a market on how long it will be before Labour is behind in any poll to the Tories.?
Or reform
If you want to lose money.. by all means.. no sane person supports Reform.
A bit like this?
“Governor,” someone once told Adlai Stevenson, the cerebral 1956 Democratic presidential candidate, “every thinking person in America will vote for you.”
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
It is putting a key state in play that is pivotal for Harris though and that means Shapiro and Pennsylvania. Buttigieg may have OK numbers with Democrats overall but Indiana will likely stay GOP
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
My beef is with absurd leftist nostrums like multiculturalism - parallel societies with parallel values. It is a disaster. Also the idea that you can have essentially limitless migration and asylum from any culture worldwide and it won’t cause enormous problems - and that anyone who complains should be labelled and silenced as a racist, which solves all issues
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
Most racists are thick. @Leon is thick, despite his alleged IQ.
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Picking a VP to swing their state has a rather spotty track record.
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.
The left of the Democrat Party is irrelevant under FPTP, it is the swing states that are all that matters. Pennsylvania also has more EC votes than Arizona.
Ask Starmer how devastating it was losing some on the left of Labour to Independents and Galloway, given he still won the biggest Labour landslide since Blair. Even if Harris takes a hit in the popular vote with a few Democrat defections to Stein and the Greens if she wins PA it would have been worth it
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
An education in the Contempt of Court Act would benefit most of the terminally online - especially on here. The Army officer case is an active proceeding.
I am starting to consider the possibility that JD Vance is actually doing a Borat-level troll of the entire GOP and after the election he’ll release a movie. https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1819864683706265675
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
No doubt your admiration will now extend to Muslims peacefully worshipping in mosques fearful that at any moment they will be attacked, and to innocent asylum seekers that the British state, due to its incompetence, has accommodated in hotels, living in fear that at any moment the far right will seek to attack the hotel.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
Most racists are thick. @Leon is thick, despite his alleged IQ.
Yes of course dear. Have a shandy in your pitiful scotch hovel
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.
Er....... they most definitely have been since 7 October.
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.
That"s a bit complex, as some do, and some don't.
The largest-growing population are also Orthodox Jews, pretty identifiable.
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you A) shoot them B ) challenge them to a single stick duel C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you - A) buy it B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Yes but most of the whites rioting are EDL linked or far right, not average members of the population
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
My beef is with absurd leftist nostrums like multiculturalism - parallel societies with parallel values. It is a disaster. Also the idea that you can have essentially limitless migration and asylum from any culture worldwide and it won’t cause enormous problems - and that anyone who complains should be labelled and silenced as a racist, which solves all issues
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid
Thanks for the response. So it's not skin colour or religion. It's multiple cultures.
I love London. I think it is the greatest city in the world. And part of what makes it so is the mixture of cultures. I love the diversity of languages, clothes, food, music. It's got energy and surprise.
Would you prefer London to be like Bournemouth? Old white couples, bless them, harmlessly wandering around exploring its biologically diverse gardens and planning their next bridge game.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you A) shoot them B ) challenge them to a single stick duel C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you - A) buy it B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
Bah. I'm supposed to be the batshit insane libertarian on this forum.
Where does KnightOut stand on the legalisation of drugs, the trans issue, and the right of every upstanding British citizen to concealed carry an M28 Davy Crockett for personal protection?
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
On that I agree Leon, all views must be welcome here. Labour, LD, Tory, Green, SNP and yes Reform voters too to ensure the site remains representative
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Nonsense. Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Nonsense. Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
Just don't get us onto the four-tracking of the Welwyn viaduct... that causes real holy wars on here...
While there are still people willing to trudge through this thread an irrelevant story. My oldest friend an academic and now a professor was intending to visit his old haunts. He called to ask if I could jog his memory about a few things. Before going to Edinburgh and Oxford he'd been to Burnage Grammar. "Was it still there?"
I did some speedy research and found that it was and among it's short list of famous Alumni was none other than Sir Norman Foster the bass player of Oasis and Mike Smithson!
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
It’s not whites against non-whites. It’s facists against non-fascists. You’ve been in France since this blew up and wouldn’t be seen in any of the affected cities if your life depended on it.
The 25% of the year you do spend in the UK is largely spent in a right wing London media bubble moaning about how you’d like to be a “digital nomad”. Otherwise known as an “immigrant” from the perspective of your potential hosts.
You have literally no fucking clue what’s going on save for what you read on TwiX You’re not as stupid as some on here make out but your pretence to speak for, or understand, the British people is as laughable as your prose.
So who do we fancy for the 100 metres? I think Noah Lyles hasn't expended anything so far.
The Jamaicans looked good in the semis, but I’m not seeing any particular athlete standing out as we did in the days of Usain Bolt. They’re all capable of winning a medal, and it’ll be whoever turns up on the night.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians? I'm not sure what is driving you.
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
I was quite surprised when I was digging into the Thailand wikipedia pages how much "islamist" (drugs/smuggling/IRA-esque) violence they have. I'd really no idea there were so many deaths.
Over 6,500 people died and almost 12,000 were injured between 2004 and 2015 in a formerly ethnic separatist insurgency, which has currently been taken over by hard-line jihadis and pitted them against both the Thai-speaking Buddhist minority and local Muslims who have a moderate approach or who support the Thai government.
This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
It’s not whites against non-whites. It’s facists against non-fascists.
To what extent do you think that anti-white racism exists in communities within Britain and is it a problem?
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.
Is that you Diane?
Am I wrong? Majority of Jewish in Britain today LOOK white. You couldn't tell them apart from a Russian in London
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A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
What I am in favour of is equal application of the law across communities, colours and creeds. My theory is that far from being complicated, the vast majority of political issues are very simple. Apply the law equally in a colourblind fashion, and you don't get Rotherham, you don't get Harehills, and you don't get Southport. Remember Adam Smith's dictum -
"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism, but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
This is a tolerable adminstration of justice issue.
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If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
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https://x.com/nazirafzal/status/1819850774706344317
Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.
Indeed a few too many right wingers here have spent the last month talking up trouble, following Lenin's saying "The worse, the better" for their fellow citizens.
The vast majority of the huge number of different British communities are not at each other's throats, this summer.
Simply apply the law equally without fear or favour, everyone will know where they stand, and community cohesion will improve as a result.
Middle class > working class
White > non-white
Female > male
Pretty > ugly
Young > old
London > non-London
People like us > people different to us
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Worth spreading these videos as much as possible, the more humiliating the better. Part of the task of the next few days is messaging: you'll be arrested, you'll go to prison, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.
https://x.com/IanDunt/status/1820158012176191858
"Rioters set fire to ‘library of the future’ in Liverpool
Far-Right rioters set fire to a library in one of the UK’s most deprived areas, leaving parts of it “completely destroyed”. Spellow Lane Library Hub, in Walton, north Liverpool, was set ablaze on Saturday evening, and footage showed people laughing as flames consumed the building. The library, which was reopened last year by the city’s Lord Mayor, was hailed as the ‘library of the future’ and helped provide routes into education and employment for the community. The area lies in the third most deprived ward in the UK. Speaking about the damage to the library, a spokesperson for Liverpool City Council told The Telegraph: “It’s such a shame because it’s such a community asset. It’s really sad. “Elements of it are completely destroyed. Even the bits that look ok, there will probably be some smoke damage.” Council officials were visiting the library on Sunday morning to inspect the damage."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/southport-latest-news-rioting-disorder-arrests-liverpool/
https://x.com/ShockatAdam/status/1819860292936880502?t=-kYKz71xKqEshfi-5uBa4g&s=19
I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
Send the bastards back to Jutland.
Almost certainly that has contributed to the current lack of confidence in the criminal justice system.
It doesn’t excuse conspiracy theories, but it does create an environment in which they flourish.
We can talk about it when the trial starts and the jury has been selected.
But I am guessing it could be for several reasons, people on social media already doxxed the wrong person/motive.
There may well be other charges/people involved that the police and CPS are still investigating.
A recent example was Jolyon Maughan causing the trial of the murder of Brianna Ghey to coming close to being abandoned.
Not the values' fault per se.
Defunding the police/criminal justice system.
Bloody idiots.
I'm not sure the rapacious capitalists of nineteenth century England and Scotland, with rare exceptions like the Cadburys, Robert Owen or Friedrich Engels, saw their workers as fully human either.
And the Enclosures were asset theft on a grand scale.
If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger."
You forelock tugger
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+countries+has+britain+invaded
It’s very beautiful - like so many French towns - it has some spectacular views across the languedoc valleys and a quaint pretty historic quarter. Plus some handsome 19th century boulevards and squares
In most countries it would be prized as a jewel and be upper middle class for sure. But the people here feel like somewhat poorer Brits. A lot of tatts and smoking. Quite shit restaurants everywhere. Cheap clothes and cheap booze
It’s hard for a Briton to reconcile the apparently elegant Mediterranean urbanism with a poorer citizenry
Can it possibly be a psychographical hangover from the Albigensian crusade?! A cursed town?
As for traditional values, how relevant are they really? When it comes to today's political debates, does it matter what we were like in the 17th century? Anyway, British history is long and complicated enough that you can cherry-pick any value you want and claim either that it is a traditional value, or that it is complete anathema to us.
A few depressingly represented on here.
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.
There is a very specific liberal tradition here worth taking some pride in here, or at least seeking to perpetuate, just as the French take pride in theirs.
Béziers general election results
It was Le Pen first and the “extreme right” second
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-legislatives-2024/beziers-34032/
Extraordinary. A lot of unhappiness here
It isn't true and it isn't convincing.
It makes them come across as 'the indoctrination wish list of a bunch of hypocritical drunks and smackheads.'
Well, of course, that's what they *are*, but there are ways of making it less obvious with just a little intellige...ah, I see the problem.
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
British influence in the region grew and grew, it became a protectorate in 1890, but when the Britain-friendly Sultan died in suspicious circumstances and the successor was less friendly to British interests, war and invasion followed. That's a a variation on the 'sphere-of-influence>challenge>invasion-solidification' pattern.
It's also worth remembering that the Sultans themselves were outsiders, from Oman.
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
“Governor,” someone once told Adlai Stevenson, the cerebral 1956 Democratic presidential candidate, “every thinking person in America will vote for you.”
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid
It's what they not what they said that's the problem.
Ask Starmer how devastating it was losing some on the left of Labour to Independents and Galloway, given he still won the biggest Labour landslide since Blair. Even if Harris takes a hit in the popular vote with a few Democrat defections to Stein and the Greens if she wins PA it would have been worth it
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1819864683706265675
The largest-growing population are also Orthodox Jews, pretty identifiable.
Congratulations to Yaroslava Mahuchikh in the women’s high jump.
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you
A) shoot them
B ) challenge them to a single stick duel
C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you -
A) buy it
B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast
C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
I love London. I think it is the greatest city in the world. And part of what makes it so is the mixture of cultures. I love the diversity of languages, clothes, food, music. It's got energy and surprise.
Would you prefer London to be like Bournemouth? Old white couples, bless them, harmlessly wandering around exploring its biologically diverse gardens and planning their next bridge game.
PS I like the Danish approach.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
Is a decent essay that explores the psychology.
Without the Muslims, they'd probably still be the outgroup.
Where does KnightOut stand on the legalisation of drugs, the trans issue, and the right of every upstanding British citizen to concealed carry an M28 Davy Crockett for personal protection?
Its comments are back, so the thousands of Tommy Robinson fans alongside the Russian bots are, too.
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldydy6e1d0o
I think Noah Lyles hasn't expended anything so far.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cgerrl2w19ko
Hope she recovers soon.
I did some speedy research and found that it was and among it's short list of famous Alumni was none other than Sir Norman Foster the bass player of Oasis and Mike Smithson!
The 25% of the year you do spend in the UK is largely spent in a right wing London media bubble moaning about how you’d like to be a “digital nomad”. Otherwise known as an “immigrant” from the perspective of your potential hosts.
You have literally no fucking clue what’s going on save for what you read on TwiX You’re not as stupid as some on here make out but your pretence to speak for, or understand, the British people is as laughable as your prose.
For a bankrupt he never seems short of a bob or two.
The crowd who set fire to a hotel today were not protesting, they were rioting.
Inciting and encouraging them appears to also be a crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency