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Weren't you supporting FoM from Europe a few weeks ago ?Leon said:
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brinkDaveyboy1961 said:
Do you, Leon?Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies0 -
I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!2 -
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.Leon said:
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?Omnium said:
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.Leon said:
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brinkDaveyboy1961 said:
Do you, Leon?Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies4 -
I saw that. Seemed odd she cut across him and cut him off without allowing him to expand on the point he was making.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!0 -
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!3 -
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?Foxy said:
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.Leon said:
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?Omnium said:
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.Leon said:
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brinkDaveyboy1961 said:
Do you, Leon?Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies0 -
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!1 -
As far as I can see, it's SKS who is trying to create division.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
What I am in favour of is equal application of the law across communities, colours and creeds. My theory is that far from being complicated, the vast majority of political issues are very simple. Apply the law equally in a colourblind fashion, and you don't get Rotherham, you don't get Harehills, and you don't get Southport. Remember Adam Smith's dictum -
"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism, but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
This is a tolerable adminstration of justice issue.1 -
Jonathan Ashworth ex-MP, surely!FrankBooth said:
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?Foxy said:
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.Leon said:
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?Omnium said:
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.Leon said:
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brinkDaveyboy1961 said:
Do you, Leon?Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies0 -
A useful contribution to the debate.
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If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
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Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!1 -
Agreed.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.1 -
When I defended social services and police in Harehills for taking investigation of suspected child abuse seriously, I was set upon by right wingers on here. It wasn't left wingers being apologist for those rioters either.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
Indeed a few too many right wingers here have spent the last month talking up trouble, following Lenin's saying "The worse, the better" for their fellow citizens.2 -
From another point of view, it's one community determined to attack almost any other community. Tommy Robinson's white working-class teenagers attacking Muslim people, Hindu people, Black people, and soon probably also Eastern Europeans, too.Taz said:
I’m guessing your reply is to Rochdale and not me !Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
The vast majority of the huge number of different British communities are not at each other's throats, this summer.2 -
The same happened when Adam Boulton on Sky interviewed a former police officer at the height of the BLM protests. Asked if the police were actively targeting black people, he replied that on the contrary, the police had virtually given up policing that community. The interview was terminated in seconds. This is on an avowedly right wing channel with an avowedly right wing gammon presenter.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Simply apply the law equally without fear or favour, everyone will know where they stand, and community cohesion will improve as a result.1 -
Why would it apply here? Are we not going to talk about a very serious crime that has been committed in the last couple of weeks? How often does that happen?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!0 -
There does seem to be a more general pattern of media publicity among crime victims possibly based upon what journalists are interested in or think their readers are interested inTheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Middle class > working class
White > non-white
Female > male
Pretty > ugly
Young > old
London > non-London
People like us > people different to us0 -
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Worth spreading these videos as much as possible, the more humiliating the better. Part of the task of the next few days is messaging: you'll be arrested, you'll go to prison, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.
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Depressing to read this.
"Rioters set fire to ‘library of the future’ in Liverpool
Far-Right rioters set fire to a library in one of the UK’s most deprived areas, leaving parts of it “completely destroyed”. Spellow Lane Library Hub, in Walton, north Liverpool, was set ablaze on Saturday evening, and footage showed people laughing as flames consumed the building. The library, which was reopened last year by the city’s Lord Mayor, was hailed as the ‘library of the future’ and helped provide routes into education and employment for the community. The area lies in the third most deprived ward in the UK. Speaking about the damage to the library, a spokesperson for Liverpool City Council told The Telegraph: “It’s such a shame because it’s such a community asset. It’s really sad. “Elements of it are completely destroyed. Even the bits that look ok, there will probably be some smoke damage.” Council officials were visiting the library on Sunday morning to inspect the damage."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/southport-latest-news-rioting-disorder-arrests-liverpool/1 -
Why wasn’t that said instead of just cutting him off, assuming that was actually the reason.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!0 -
Yes and much impressed by the statement made by his replacement:FrankBooth said:
Leaving the rioting aside are you aware of what happened to Jonathan Ashworth MP in Leicester?Foxy said:
Except it isn't sectarian, except in your mind. The EDL protesters are nearly all white, though I suspect few have been to church at all, while the counter protesters are all faiths and colours, indeed majority white British.Leon said:
I just did. My central claim is that we now have sometimes-violent sectarian division between British citizens in Britain - as was the case in Northern Ireland. In what way is that wrong?Omnium said:
I strongly suggest that you read over what you've just written and consider whether it's quite what you want.Leon said:
Do I what? Yes I would love to see a way of returning Britain to calm but I fear that 30 years of insane migration/asylum/multiculti policies - from both parties - have led us to the brinkDaveyboy1961 said:
Do you, Leon?Leon said:Taz said:
Bout 2 I have thought about that and the Copper said something like ‘if I was you if I had these I’d drop them at the Mosque’. I didn’t see it as anything other than a wise attempt at de-escalation Leon. I get the complaints about 2 tier policing. Don’t see that as it.Leon said:
1. That’s not true? There are videos of fairly random arrests across the countryFoxy said:
Yes, but only those committing alleged crimes are being arrested and charged.Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
There were around a dozen or so EDL types in Leicester, and about 200 counter protesters, but only 2 arrests.
2. But then you get mad things like the copper calmly asking the Muslim Defence League to “please leave your weapons at the mosque” as if it’s perfectly fine to walk around with a machete
At what point do I say anything else you knob?RochdalePioneers said:
The non whites are British people as well you asshatLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
That is WHY it is like Ulster. Two communities of British citizens determined to attack each other and divided by faith (and race)
It’s a calamity. I’d love to see an easy route out of this but I can’t
It needs inspired leadership. Something truly special. I want this leadership to happen because although I can personally escape this mess most of my friends and family are in Britain and I don’t want them living in a massive version of 70s Ulster
Perhaps it will all disappear with the first wave of British summer rain. And never return. Who knows - that might happen 🙏🙏
Sweden says it will get worse. Denmark says there are remedies
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This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.3 -
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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I doubt many of these racists are actually proper british, pre-roman invasion stock.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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Most of them are Saxons and Vikings.rottenborough said:
I doubt many of these racists are actually proper british, pre-roman invasion stock.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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Send the bastards back to Jutland.0 -
The only point on which I have the slightest bit of sympathy with such views, is based on the unresolved delays in the administration of justice, which mean that even the most violent crimes can take many years to come to court.TheScreamingEagles said:
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Almost certainly that has contributed to the current lack of confidence in the criminal justice system.
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well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.Nigelb said:
Agreed.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.1 -
It happens many many times, hence your ignorance.FrankBooth said:
Why would it apply here? Are we not going to talk about a very serious crime that has been committed in the last couple of weeks? How often does that happen?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then those people with those feelings are incredibly ignorant about the history of the country.FrankBooth said:
But why? There's a feeling now that CoC is being used to censor the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's almost like there's reporting restrictions in place and the BBC do not want to be in contempt of court.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
We can talk about it when the trial starts and the jury has been selected.
But I am guessing it could be for several reasons, people on social media already doxxed the wrong person/motive.
There may well be other charges/people involved that the police and CPS are still investigating.
A recent example was Jolyon Maughan causing the trial of the murder of Brianna Ghey to coming close to being abandoned.3 -
Never heard of the British Empire?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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Because we, shamefully, didn't see Johnny Foreigner as fully human. Now we do, and the values we used to apply only amongst ourselves now apply to all.ydoethur said:
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
Not the values' fault per se.0 -
What the hell were the Cameronites thinking?
Defunding the police/criminal justice system.
Bloody idiots.2 -
There's a real mix by the looks of things. From the inital EDL types, to younger chav/roadman idiots who don't seem to be protesting but are along for a riot/looting, and then there are what might broadly be described as spectators who are along to cheer the riotters and get some video for social media. They aren't all white, not all of them seem to be political or protesting, and I'm fairly sure a decent number aren't in their own minds even participating.rottenborough said:
I doubt many of these racists are actually proper british, pre-roman invasion stock.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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I just looked at Starmers video. The double standards between the stance taken now on 'far right' rioting and what he said in 2020 about BLM is really obvious. Farage isn't saying much at the moment; he is just waiting for the right time to attack Starmer over this. Starmer may imprison a load of thugs, but the problem of the 'far right' is just going to get bigger. Reform intend to make rapid progress in the north of england, this is a good opportunity for them.0
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Just wondering what some of us would say if told that only the Cornish, Welsh and Cumbrians qualified to be British (Southern Cultivar).ydoethur said:
Most of them are Saxons and Vikings.rottenborough said:
I doubt many of these racists are actually proper british, pre-roman invasion stock.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
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Send the bastards back to Jutland.0 -
Hmmmmmmm.carnforth said:
Because we, shamefully, didn't see Johnny Foreigner as fully human. Now we do, and the values we used to apply only amongst ourselves now apply to all.ydoethur said:
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
Not the values' fault per se.
I'm not sure the rapacious capitalists of nineteenth century England and Scotland, with rare exceptions like the Cadburys, Robert Owen or Friedrich Engels, saw their workers as fully human either.
And the Enclosures were asset theft on a grand scale.1 -
George Washingtonydoethur said:
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
Democracy is quite recent at best, and deeply flawed at worst.
The rule of law? From Gove?
As for liberty, that's also not a traditional one as the Northern Irish could explain to you.
It's patronising, pompous, lying bullshit.
And one of the great things about teenagers is they can see pseuds at a thousand yards.
If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger."
You forelock tugger0 -
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
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90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+countries+has+britain+invaded1 -
On a more cheerful note, Béziers is genuinely odd
It’s very beautiful - like so many French towns - it has some spectacular views across the languedoc valleys and a quaint pretty historic quarter. Plus some handsome 19th century boulevards and squares
In most countries it would be prized as a jewel and be upper middle class for sure. But the people here feel like somewhat poorer Brits. A lot of tatts and smoking. Quite shit restaurants everywhere. Cheap clothes and cheap booze
It’s hard for a Briton to reconcile the apparently elegant Mediterranean urbanism with a poorer citizenry
Can it possibly be a psychographical hangover from the Albigensian crusade?! A cursed town?0 -
I wouldn't say pre-modern Britain was more or less violent or thieving than other countries. Modern Britain is definitely less violent and criminal or corrupt than the global average, at least according to relevant international rankings.ydoethur said:
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
As for traditional values, how relevant are they really? When it comes to today's political debates, does it matter what we were like in the 17th century? Anyway, British history is long and complicated enough that you can cherry-pick any value you want and claim either that it is a traditional value, or that it is complete anathema to us.1 -
OT. It shows how disgusting some of our fellow Brits are.
A few depressingly represented on here.0 -
Picking a VP to swing their state has a rather spotty track record.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.3 -
Someone was just talking about stupid whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.Nigelb said:
Agreed.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
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I'm on the left, but British history is not just pillage and exploitation.
There is a very specific liberal tradition here worth taking some pride in here, or at least seeking to perpetuate, just as the French take pride in theirs.2 -
Probably Biden but he didnt know itNigelb said:
Someone was just talking about stupid whataboutery.Alanbrooke said:
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.Nigelb said:
Agreed.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.0 -
Wow. I’m not wrong
Béziers general election results
It was Le Pen first and the “extreme right” second
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-legislatives-2024/beziers-34032/
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It looks like the nazis are already at the burning books stage.Andy_JS said:Depressing to read this.
"Rioters set fire to ‘library of the future’ in Liverpool
Far-Right rioters set fire to a library in one of the UK’s most deprived areas, leaving parts of it “completely destroyed”. Spellow Lane Library Hub, in Walton, north Liverpool, was set ablaze on Saturday evening, and footage showed people laughing as flames consumed the building. The library, which was reopened last year by the city’s Lord Mayor, was hailed as the ‘library of the future’ and helped provide routes into education and employment for the community. The area lies in the third most deprived ward in the UK. Speaking about the damage to the library, a spokesperson for Liverpool City Council told The Telegraph: “It’s such a shame because it’s such a community asset. It’s really sad. “Elements of it are completely destroyed. Even the bits that look ok, there will probably be some smoke damage.” Council officials were visiting the library on Sunday morning to inspect the damage."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/southport-latest-news-rioting-disorder-arrests-liverpool/2 -
I studied the British Empire. The majority of Britain's territorial expansion came in just the way I describe - previously those countries were British spheres of influence so we were able to benefit without actually having to plant the flag. When other countries or regional powers became powerful and threatened our interests, those territories were made official colonies. That's how most of the Empire came about. Like marrying your girlfriend to stop her going off with someone else. If you can get all the goods and don't think she'll go off with someone else, you don't need to propose. It's an indelicate analogy but it works just about.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Never heard of the British Empire?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
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Then don't call them 'traditional British values.'Fishing said:
I wouldn't say pre-modern Britain was more or less violent or thieving than other countries. Modern Britain is definitely less violent and criminal or corrupt than the global average, at least according to relevant international rankings.ydoethur said:
This is one of the things that bugs me with 'British Values' (along with the de facto tautology in 'tolerance and mutual respect').Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
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I mean, traditional British values are knocking Jonny Foreigner on the head and nicking all his cash.
As for traditional values, how relevant are they really? When it comes to today's political debates, does it matter what we were like in the 17th century? Anyway, British history is long and complicated enough that you can cherry-pick any value you want and claim either that it is a traditional value, or that it is complete anathema to us.
It isn't true and it isn't convincing.
It makes them come across as 'the indoctrination wish list of a bunch of hypocritical drunks and smackheads.'
Well, of course, that's what they *are*, but there are ways of making it less obvious with just a little intellige...ah, I see the problem.0 -
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.Carnyx said:
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
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90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+countries+has+britain+invaded0 -
The Sultan of Zanzibar might disagree with you.Luckyguy1983 said:
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.Carnyx said:
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024
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https://x.com/nazirafzal/status/1819850774706344317
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+countries+has+britain+invaded1 -
Did they say that?Tim_in_Ruislip said:What the hell were the Cameronites thinking?
Defunding the police/criminal justice system.
Bloody idiots.0 -
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.0 -
Or imbecile wannabes referring to the police as 'the feds'.Alanbrooke said:
well hopefully we wont be importing more twattish ideas from the US such as defund the police.Nigelb said:
Agreed.RochdalePioneers said:
I can’t commend you. The fix is not more division and whatabouteryLuckyguy1983 said:
Good, I commend you.RochdalePioneers said:
I’ve been on here calling out the Gaza and Harehills stuff.Luckyguy1983 said:
I tend to agree. I am on the side of strong law and order - vandals and violent thugs should be given a good shoeing and the book thrown at them. But I felt the same about BLM, Gaza, Harehills etc. I didn't notice ScottP, you, or any of our 'centre-left' contingent making those arguments then.DM_Andy said:
The majority should be stopping the minority committing crimes. All demonstrations that I've been on have had stewards that work with police to ensure as much as possible that no troublemakers latch on and use the majority to cover their criminality. Where's the stewardship of these demonstrations?Luckyguy1983 said:
The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes. Your statements, and SKS's statements, happily lump them all in with those who have. Something I must have missed you doing when other protests that you were more aligned with politically turned to violence.Scott_xP said:
Fuck noLuckyguy1983 said:But again, that seems like classic political manipulation - are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people*.
*which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again.
"are you on the side of brick throwers, or do you want to be one of the good, nice people"
Everybody should know the right answer to that
"which means never complaining about migration or whether it's having a negative affect on your life or community again"
Bollocks
You can complain, you can vote. We just had an election. The racists didn't win.
What you can't do is attempt murder.
This is not complicated.
Such violent behaviour is wrong, irrespective of the views of those engaging in it.0 -
Yes. The row in front spend the who concert filming the show on mahoosive phones. The row behind are drunken “singers” who sing like peacocks screeching.FrancisUrquhart said:Massive pet peeve of mine, dickheads going to a gig and filming the whole thing with their cellphone.
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I admit I didn't know very much about Zanzibar specifically, but a quick Google indicates much the same pattern I've described.ydoethur said:
The Sultan of Zanzibar might disagree with you.Luckyguy1983 said:
'A core value' suggests that we invaded other countries because we felt like it. This has never been the case.Carnyx said:
Never a core British value?Luckyguy1983 said:
Invading countries has never been a core British value. It isn't even a core American value. One only invades when one can no longer influence without the bother of invading and garrisoning.Andy_JS said:A useful contribution to the debate.
"nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
If I hear one more racist say “they’re invading our country” & “they don’t share core British values,” I’m going to remind them of how invading countries used to be a core British value
10:40 PM · Aug 3, 2024
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2.1M Views"
https://x.com/nazirafzal/status/1819850774706344317
90% of the world's countries would be surprised at your assertion.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+countries+has+britain+invaded
British influence in the region grew and grew, it became a protectorate in 1890, but when the Britain-friendly Sultan died in suspicious circumstances and the successor was less friendly to British interests, war and invasion followed. That's a a variation on the 'sphere-of-influence>challenge>invasion-solidification' pattern.
It's also worth remembering that the Sultans themselves were outsiders, from Oman.2 -
When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.3 -
The hope that a crowd of billy goats will gather on the bridge and engage him in conversation.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.1 -
Off topic: two left in the women's high jump. Both have cleared 2m.1
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A bit like this?squareroot2 said:
If you want to lose money.. by all means.. no sane person supports Reform.Nunu5 said:
Or reformsquareroot2 said:Is there a market on how long it will be before Labour is behind in any poll to the Tories.?
“Governor,” someone once told Adlai Stevenson, the cerebral 1956 Democratic presidential candidate, “every thinking person in America will vote for you.”3 -
Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.2 -
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.0 -
It is putting a key state in play that is pivotal for Harris though and that means Shapiro and Pennsylvania. Buttigieg may have OK numbers with Democrats overall but Indiana will likely stay GOP0
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My beef is with absurd leftist nostrums like multiculturalism - parallel societies with parallel values. It is a disaster. Also the idea that you can have essentially limitless migration and asylum from any culture worldwide and it won’t cause enormous problems - and that anyone who complains should be labelled and silenced as a racist, which solves all issuesBarnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid2 -
Most racists are thick. @Leon is thick, despite his alleged IQ.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.2 -
They did that.Andy_JS said:
Did they say that?Tim_in_Ruislip said:What the hell were the Cameronites thinking?
Defunding the police/criminal justice system.
Bloody idiots.
It's what they not what they said that's the problem.0 -
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.0 -
The left of the Democrat Party is irrelevant under FPTP, it is the swing states that are all that matters. Pennsylvania also has more EC votes than Arizona.Malmesbury said:
Picking a VP to swing their state has a rather spotty track record.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!
Shapiro has a big issue with the Left of the Democrat Party over Gaza.
Kelly has less issues and may have more reach with independents and swing voters.
Ask Starmer how devastating it was losing some on the left of Labour to Independents and Galloway, given he still won the biggest Labour landslide since Blair. Even if Harris takes a hit in the popular vote with a few Democrat defections to Stein and the Greens if she wins PA it would have been worth it0 -
An education in the Contempt of Court Act would benefit most of the terminally online - especially on here. The Army officer case is an active proceeding.FrankBooth said:I keep hearing that there are only a few states in play. Picking someone who's likely to swing one of the key states would be the obvious thing to do.
A strange little incident from BBC News. A former senior Met officer mentions the Army officer stabbing and is quickly cut off.
https://x.com/livethedream99/status/1820086536806728065
He talks about people putting two and two together and making five. I'm not sure the beeb giving the impression it wants certain stories avoided will improve public confidence!5 -
I am starting to consider the possibility that JD Vance is actually doing a Borat-level troll of the entire GOP and after the election he’ll release a movie.
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1819864683706265675
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No doubt your admiration will now extend to Muslims peacefully worshipping in mosques fearful that at any moment they will be attacked, and to innocent asylum seekers that the British state, due to its incompetence, has accommodated in hotels, living in fear that at any moment the far right will seek to attack the hotel.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.1 -
There are ‘issues’ with Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.0 -
Yes of course dear. Have a shandy in your pitiful scotch hovelFairliered said:
Most racists are thick. @Leon is thick, despite his alleged IQ.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.0 -
Er....... they most definitely have been since 7 October.Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.2 -
That"s a bit complex, as some do, and some don't.Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
The largest-growing population are also Orthodox Jews, pretty identifiable.0 -
Gold for Ukraine! 🥇🇺🇦
Congratulations to Yaroslava Mahuchikh in the women’s high jump.4 -
Olympic level whataboutery.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.4 -
Is that you Diane?Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.0 -
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?KnightOut said:When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you
A) shoot them
B ) challenge them to a single stick duel
C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you -
A) buy it
B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast
C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it0 -
Yes but most of the whites rioting are EDL linked or far right, not average members of the populationLeon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people4 -
Thanks for the response. So it's not skin colour or religion. It's multiple cultures.Leon said:
My beef is with absurd leftist nostrums like multiculturalism - parallel societies with parallel values. It is a disaster. Also the idea that you can have essentially limitless migration and asylum from any culture worldwide and it won’t cause enormous problems - and that anyone who complains should be labelled and silenced as a racist, which solves all issuesBarnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
THAT is my beef. It is now plainly apparent that all these policies are destructively stupid
I love London. I think it is the greatest city in the world. And part of what makes it so is the mixture of cultures. I love the diversity of languages, clothes, food, music. It's got energy and surprise.
Would you prefer London to be like Bournemouth? Old white couples, bless them, harmlessly wandering around exploring its biologically diverse gardens and planning their next bridge game.
PS I like the Danish approach.1 -
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….0 -
You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die2 -
They're the current in-group;Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
Is a decent essay that explores the psychology.
Without the Muslims, they'd probably still be the outgroup.0 -
Bah. I'm supposed to be the batshit insane libertarian on this forum.Malmesbury said:
1) if a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China, which side should we bury the survivors?KnightOut said:When is someone more important than me going to stand up and 'Reclaim the Right'?
I consider myself to be very right wing, but the beliefs and behaviours of the so-called 'far right' is absolute anathema to me.
Now I accept that there's a slight possibilty that I've spent my life misunderstanding the definitions and that I am actually a raging lefty or radical centrist or something, but my strong suspicion is that it is the 'far right' who have been mislabelled. By those for whom such an agenda would be strategically convenient.
And I'm fucking sick of it. I'd like those of us who are strongly in favour of individualism, personal freedoms, minimal state, sound money etc. to be able to say that we are very right wing and proud of the fact, without all the negative connotations.
2) if you are in a queue at A&E for four hours and someone cuts into the queue, do you
A) shoot them
B ) challenge them to a single stick duel
C )do nothing but mutter under your breath to someone else in the queue about manners.
3) when the sacristan of an ancient French cathedral offers you a medieval manuscript created by a cleric who died in mysterious circumstances, for a price far below its value, do you -
A) buy it
B ) say no very politely, then leave town fast
C ) see if you can arrange for Putin (or similar) to buy it
Where does KnightOut stand on the legalisation of drugs, the trans issue, and the right of every upstanding British citizen to concealed carry an M28 Davy Crockett for personal protection?1 -
The Daily Mail seems to have had a change of mind.
Its comments are back, so the thousands of Tommy Robinson fans alongside the Russian bots are, too.0 -
On that I agree Leon, all views must be welcome here. Labour, LD, Tory, Green, SNP and yes Reform voters too to ensure the site remains representativeLeon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die5 -
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.12 -
Just don't get us onto the four-tracking of the Welwyn viaduct... that causes real holy wars on here...Northern_Al said:
Nonsense.Leon said:You know what. I’m nearly done here
If you want to drive every sane or civilised right wing voice off the site then carry on exactly as you are and I will indeed leave. And this time I won’t come back
And this site will turn into an insanely boring pile of shite where centrist lefty dads discuss the fucking west coast main line. And it will finally die
Some of us are more interested in the East Coast main line.2 -
Meanwhile, Harry and Meghan talk about protecting their children
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldydy6e1d0o0 -
So who do we fancy for the 100 metres?
I think Noah Lyles hasn't expended anything so far.1 -
Belgium out of tomorrow's triathlon relay after an athlete falls ill... days after swimming in the Seine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cgerrl2w19ko
Hope she recovers soon.0 -
While there are still people willing to trudge through this thread an irrelevant story. My oldest friend an academic and now a professor was intending to visit his old haunts. He called to ask if I could jog his memory about a few things. Before going to Edinburgh and Oxford he'd been to Burnage Grammar. "Was it still there?"
I did some speedy research and found that it was and among it's short list of famous Alumni was none other than Sir Norman Foster the bass player of Oasis and Mike Smithson!
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It’s not whites against non-whites. It’s facists against non-fascists. You’ve been in France since this blew up and wouldn’t be seen in any of the affected cities if your life depended on it.Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
The 25% of the year you do spend in the UK is largely spent in a right wing London media bubble moaning about how you’d like to be a “digital nomad”. Otherwise known as an “immigrant” from the perspective of your potential hosts.
You have literally no fucking clue what’s going on save for what you read on TwiX You’re not as stupid as some on here make out but your pretence to speak for, or understand, the British people is as laughable as your prose.2 -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13707385/tommy-robinson-five-star-hotel-cyprus-foot-soldiers-run-riot-violent-protests-britain.html
For a bankrupt he never seems short of a bob or two.0 -
Fuck offLuckyguy1983 said:The majority of those protesting have not been committing crimes.
The crowd who set fire to a hotel today were not protesting, they were rioting.
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The Jamaicans looked good in the semis, but I’m not seeing any particular athlete standing out as we did in the days of Usain Bolt. They’re all capable of winning a medal, and it’ll be whoever turns up on the night.dixiedean said:So who do we fancy for the 100 metres?
I think Noah Lyles hasn't expended anything so far.1 -
Disappointing no Brit in the final againdixiedean said:So who do we fancy for the 100 metres?
I think Noah Lyles hasn't expended anything so far.0 -
I was quite surprised when I was digging into the Thailand wikipedia pages how much "islamist" (drugs/smuggling/IRA-esque) violence they have. I'd really no idea there were so many deaths.Malmesbury said:
There are lots of Muslims in Thailand.EPG said:
Muslims, primarily. He had no problem trolling around Thailand.Barnesian said:
Is your problem with non-whites or is it with Muslims? Is it skin colour or religion?Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people
How you feel about white Muslims or black Christians?
I'm not sure what is driving you.
Mind you, they don’t look like the stereotype angry beard types….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Over 6,500 people died and almost 12,000 were injured between 2004 and 2015 in a formerly ethnic separatist insurgency, which has currently been taken over by hard-line jihadis and pitted them against both the Thai-speaking Buddhist minority and local Muslims who have a moderate approach or who support the Thai government.0 -
To what extent do you think that anti-white racism exists in communities within Britain and is it a problem?DougSeal said:
It’s not whites against non-whites. It’s facists against non-fascists.Leon said:This is now sectarian rioting with whites versus non whites all across Britain. We have 30 mini Belfasts around the UK
Congratulations to all the British politicians who strived so mightily to achieve this fantastic outcome despite the foolish warnings of the British people0 -
Am I wrong? Majority of Jewish in Britain today LOOK white. You couldn't tell them apart from a Russian in Londontlg86 said:
Is that you Diane?Nunu5 said:
Jewish population look white so aren't targetted.FrankBooth said:Two tier Keir is a dangerous moniker that could stick. He'll need to tread carefully. And it isn't true that all the counter protesters have been multi-cultural and peaceful. We've had gangs of muslim men charging around chanting Allahu Akbar. They may be unhappy with things they've seen in recent days but that's not likely to help.
It only increases my admiration for our Jewish population who have retained an incredibly dignified civility in spite of everything that they have experienced over the last nine months.0
