The Ayrshire hotelier is running scared – politicalbetting.com
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Well he won't be short of new staff. They might have to hide the dodgy tattoos though.carnforth said:
More people in prison after a year of Labour? Probably not. Early releases are on a massive scale.FrancisUrquhart said:Timpson the cobbler is going to have a tricky task if this carries on much longer.
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Serious Q: do you have a reference to numbers on that?carnforth said:
More people in prison after a year of Labour? Probably not. Early releases are on a massive scale.FrancisUrquhart said:Timpson the cobbler is going to have a tricky task if this carries on much longer.
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We've been put on 24 hour courts apparently. I went to see the out of hours GP today. The homeless were all housed over a weekend during COVID.MattW said:
What does it cost to keep the 16,500 people who are the current remand population in prison?Mortimer said:
More Govt. spending, no doubt.MattW said:
I think one outcome from this may be that a deal may be cut with the lawyers. Are they still working to rule, or whatever the lawyerly term is for that?Nunu5 said:
You was a criminal defence lawyer?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have never forgotten telling man after man in cell after cell how long they would get in prison for the 2011 London riots.FrancisUrquhart said:Courts to be open 24hrs a day.
Once enthusiasm for lobbing bins at police has waned, once your pals have been arrested, once the booze & adrenaline subside - you realise.
Then regret.
Guess who won’t be coming along to give character evidence at your sentencing hearing? It’s the anonymous idiots-on-the-internet who inspired you to be the worst version of yourself after a few cans of beer and too much time on Facebook.
Ask any lawyer who blearily pressed the cell buzzer at Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court in the early hours of those hot, dangerous days in August 2011.
There’s always a reckoning.
https://x.com/Joanna__Hardy/status/1819692360915091742
Is there a hope that something might be done around scheduling in Courts and time lost waiting?
(I may have lost track I admit ... have not kept track of the legal profession's ructions.)
All in all, this Labour government are looking likely to run out of other people's money faster than ever before.
And how much money is being wasted when 1/3 of them will either be found not guilty, or will not receive a prison sentence?
At ~60k a year per pop, it is about a £1bn per annum afaics.
Some of that money could perhaps be better spent elsewhere?
And how much value to the economy has been unnecessarily lost?
How often are we penny wise and billions fucking moronic?3 -
Attacking a judge or a magistrate gets you into the bottom right hand corner of the sentencing matrices.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Diplock courts were judge-only. Even unionist politicians disliked Diplock courts. As they said, the problem wasn't juries but witness intimidation.Malmesbury said:
The PIRA tried that. Hence Diplock courts.DecrepiterJohnL said:
People, even villains, respect the judiciary, but the way things are going, it might only be a question of time before one radical group or other takes revenge on magistrates or judges handing out exemplary sentences.Sandpit said:
Perhaps one of the most amusing consequences of the court delays from the pandemic, has been the various disruptive campaigners see their friends get serious prison time, when their own case is still a year away and they’ve been picked up again for more disruption in the meantime.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have never forgotten telling man after man in cell after cell how long they would get in prison for the 2011 London riots.FrancisUrquhart said:Courts to be open 24hrs a day.
Once enthusiasm for lobbing bins at police has waned, once your pals have been arrested, once the booze & adrenaline subside - you realise.
Then regret.
Guess who won’t be coming along to give character evidence at your sentencing hearing? It’s the anonymous idiots-on-the-internet who inspired you to be the worst version of yourself after a few cans of beer and too much time on Facebook.
Ask any lawyer who blearily pressed the cell buzzer at Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court in the early hours of those hot, dangerous days in August 2011.
There’s always a reckoning.
https://x.com/Joanna__Hardy/status/1819692360915091742
So the story goes, the first time they tried to murder a judge with an RPG-7, they fired it inside a small van. Took a few days to work out what had happened.
As for the future, it is hard to attack crown court judges. You can run into magistrates in the supermarket of a Saturday. The point is that up to now, people have accepted, even respected, the system. In future they might not, especially with exemplary sentences being by definition at one extreme, and ideological rather than criminal motivation and self-justification.1 -
Nah, because the Tories are about to elect an even bigger numpty, one of the ones who ran down our country over the last decade.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
The Tories have to treble their seats to form a majority government, so pace yourself. We get nearly a decade of starmer1 -
No. Just spitballing, as Americans would say.MattW said:
Serious Q: do you have a reference to numbers on that?carnforth said:
More people in prison after a year of Labour? Probably not. Early releases are on a massive scale.FrancisUrquhart said:Timpson the cobbler is going to have a tricky task if this carries on much longer.
Imagine 1000 people are convicted in these riots. Maybe 250 go to prison. Early release could let out, say, 2500 otherwise incarcerated.1 -
Risks Putin invading Leicester to de-Nazify it....Foxy said:
Leon has a great view of the disturbances in northern England. from his hotel in France. Our man on the spot.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Do you accept that the Southport Stabber is NOT a Muslim and did NOT come over in a small boat?Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police officer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
2 arrests in Leicester, both far right, including this fellow:
https://x.com/TripleBarrelKid/status/1819792661634523634?t=FoDFsOY0S2istES24TXEiA&s=190 -
How much will permanently higher public sector wages/rates cost.MattW said:
What does it cost to keep the 16,500 people who are the current remand population in prison?Mortimer said:
More Govt. spending, no doubt.MattW said:
I think one outcome from this may be that a deal may be cut with the lawyers. Are they still working to rule, or whatever the lawyerly term is for that?Nunu5 said:
You was a criminal defence lawyer?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have never forgotten telling man after man in cell after cell how long they would get in prison for the 2011 London riots.FrancisUrquhart said:Courts to be open 24hrs a day.
Once enthusiasm for lobbing bins at police has waned, once your pals have been arrested, once the booze & adrenaline subside - you realise.
Then regret.
Guess who won’t be coming along to give character evidence at your sentencing hearing? It’s the anonymous idiots-on-the-internet who inspired you to be the worst version of yourself after a few cans of beer and too much time on Facebook.
Ask any lawyer who blearily pressed the cell buzzer at Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court in the early hours of those hot, dangerous days in August 2011.
There’s always a reckoning.
https://x.com/Joanna__Hardy/status/1819692360915091742
Is there a hope that something might be done around scheduling in Courts and time lost waiting?
(I may have lost track I admit ... have not kept track of the legal profession's ructions.)
All in all, this Labour government are looking likely to run out of other people's money faster than ever before.
And how much money is being wasted when 1/3 of them will either be found not guilty, or will not receive a prison sentence?
At ~60k a year per pop, it is about a £1bn per annum afaics.
Some of that money could perhaps be better spent elsewhere?
And how much value to the economy has been unnecessarily lost?
Far more than £1bn pa I suspect....1 -
The disappearance of Fabian was cited by Bob Dylan as one of the reasons he went back to rock (his original oeuvre).carnforth said:
The Chubby Checker wiki rabbithole leads to this fella:dixiedean said:
If he hasn't heard of Bob Dylan he gets blocked. And @DavidL will probably prosecute him.carnforth said:
You'd heard of Chubby Checker though, right?DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've never heard, or even heard of, either song. I could have been a high court judge.dixiedean said:
We have a winner!Stark_Dawning said:
Chubby Checker.dixiedean said:
PB quiz.Casino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
Name the three people mentioned in that song (individually, so Beatles don't count) who are still alive.
Without Googling.
By contrast. Everyone mentioned in Madonna's Vogue is now dead.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Forte
Never heard of him, but a rollercoaster life.0 -
The Unknown Stuntman is still waiting in the wings.Foxy said:
Nah, because the Tories are about to elect an even bigger numpty, one of the ones who ran down our country over the last decade.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
The Tories have to treble their seats to form a majority government, so pace yourself. We get nearly a decade of starmer0 -
Though the divide on the right between Tory and Reform under FPTP may yet save them next time too voteshare wise on 4th July Starmer got even less than Kinnock 1992 and Corbyn 2017 let alone Blair 1997. His win was a rejection of the Tory government rather than a huge endorsement for himLeon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues1 -
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No, our pathetic bunch of Nazis were drowned out by chanting from the counter protest, then buggered off. Total victory for the good citizens of Leicester, without a punch or rock being thrown.MarqueeMark said:
Risks Putin invading Leicester to de-Nazify it....Foxy said:
Leon has a great view of the disturbances in northern England. from his hotel in France. Our man on the spot.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Do you accept that the Southport Stabber is NOT a Muslim and did NOT come over in a small boat?Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police officer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
2 arrests in Leicester, both far right, including this fellow:
https://x.com/TripleBarrelKid/status/1819792661634523634?t=FoDFsOY0S2istES24TXEiA&s=19
Master race, my arse.1 -
Is there a market on first Cabinet Minister out? Home Secretary is always a reasonable shout, but I have a sneaky notion it might yet be the Chancellor...MisterBedfordshire said:
If the left turn on them and the unions demand 22% payrises for everyone, then they may not last that long.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues0 -
Starmer may become unpopular for lots of reasons.Foxy said:
Nah, because the Tories are about to elect an even bigger numpty, one of the ones who ran down our country over the last decade.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
The Tories have to treble their seats to form a majority government, so pace yourself. We get nearly a decade of starmer
But I am willing to bet it wont be because this former DPP didn't support a load of Nazi thugs trying to disrupt summer '24 with their 'legitimate questions' and instead had his Home Secretary throw the fucking book at them with five year jail terms.
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Nothing is impossible after Starmer gained 211 seats in one election with just a 1% rise in his party's voteshareFoxy said:
Nah, because the Tories are about to elect an even bigger numpty, one of the ones who ran down our country over the last decade.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
The Tories have to treble their seats to form a majority government, so pace yourself. We get nearly a decade of starmer0 -
*Far right smash up the country*
Far Right: Starmer has lost control of the country. Resign Starmer.2 -
It will be Ed Milliband. For Something stupidMarqueeMark said:
Is there a market on first Cabinet Minister out? Home Secretary is always a reasonable shout, but I have a sneaky notion it might yet be the Chancellor...MisterBedfordshire said:
If the left turn on them and the unions demand 22% payrises for everyone, then they may not last that long.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues0 -
He's not sounding the cognitive-est.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI2 -
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
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She's either a nation wrecker or a nation erecter, depending on how hard one tries to re-articulate his words.HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
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He's now saying Kamala is low IQ.HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
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'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
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Jeez.
The medication I've been asking for for donkey's months is so nice.
My ADHD brain is given a rest.
You look for productivity gains. Look there.0 -
Those people with signs behind Trump.
Jeez.
Have they been dragged off the street and paid $200 to stand for an hour or what?0 -
It's the ones that are calling for a recall of parliament and a Confidence vote that get me!RandallFlagg said:*Far right smash up the country*
Far Right: Starmer has lost control of the country. Resign Starmer.0 -
You lost. Suck it up.Foxy said:
It's the ones that are calling for a recall of parliament and a Confidence vote that get me!RandallFlagg said:*Far right smash up the country*
Far Right: Starmer has lost control of the country. Resign Starmer.1 -
It's just a random ramble of all the things that are currently hurting his thin-skinned, tiny ego.EPG said:
He's not sounding the cognitive-est.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
Pathetic.
How on earth can americans put him back in WH?
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https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1817616289566790100rottenborough said:Those people with signs behind Trump.
Jeez.
Have they been dragged off the street and paid $200 to stand for an hour or what?1 -
Kamalas parents met while doing their PhDs in the days when very few did, I suspect Dozy Donald is wrong again.HYUFD said:
'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
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The paid flunkies behind The Clown are struggling to make sure their signs are the right way around.0
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It's mesmeric fascination of The Leader. Objectively looked at, these characters are often comic and pathetic. To their worshipers they are semi-divine.rottenborough said:
It's just a random ramble of all the things that are currently hurting his thin-skinned, tiny ego.EPG said:
He's not sounding the cognitive-est.DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
Pathetic.
How on earth can americans put him back in WH?1 -
He knows he is wrong. He doesn't care.Foxy said:
Kamalas parents met while doing their PhDs in the days when very few did, I suspect Dozy Donald is wrong again.HYUFD said:
'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
He projects all the time. What he is saying is 'I dont want to debate her, because she is much cleverer than me'.2 -
"No more cows" says Trump0
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My guess is that on current form he'll seem confused if he's on the same stage as her.0
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weirdrottenborough said:"No more cows" says Trump
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It’s all projection with Trump.HYUFD said:
'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
Stirred with bile.0 -
Psychopathic self-interest in there too.Nigelb said:
It’s all projection with Trump.HYUFD said:
'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
Stirred with bile.
Also a narcisisstic love of self-publicity.
And a complete lack of interest in debating policy as most on this website understand it.2 -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOMfGGM6U0rottenborough said:"No more cows" says Trump
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@maggieNYT
"I have a bad trait: I only like people that like me," Trump says as he disses Bruce Springsteen, a wildly popular musician with Trump's own base.0 -
'This is the lunatic the fake news is trying to big up to be the next Margaret Thatcher'1
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Believe that wasRandallFlagg said:*Far right smash up the country*
Far Right: Starmer has lost control of the country. Resign Starmer.
Plus sexism, racism and gumjob for Xitler. (Since DJT forgot to give his best buddy a moniker.)Nigelb said:
It’s all projection with Trump.HYUFD said:
'She is considered more left wing than Crazy Bernie, can you believe it. She is low IQ, President Xi said 'great another one' they love dealing with low IQ level individuals'HYUFD said:
'1929 era depression with Kamaaala or big economic boom with Trump and control of our borders again' in summary if you don't want to watch it!DecrepiterJohnL said:Trump MAGA rally live downstream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UAZqFLVYI
Stirred with bile.0 -
Speaking of IQ: In the US, since 1955, ambitious would-be college students have been taking the National Merit Tests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program
It is much like a two-stage IQ test.
The names of the semi-finalists and finalists are published. If the Loser was really smart back then, he could prove it by releasing his score on the preliminary test, and the finalist test, if he got that far.
That he hasn't shows to me that there is an upper limit on his IQ, that he may be above average, but is no genius.
(FWIW, Hillary Clinton was a semi-finalist, passing the first round, but not the second, proving you can be fairly smart, but still not very good at politics.)3 -
Do many NYT columnists understand Trump’s base better than Trump?Scott_xP said:@maggieNYT
"I have a bad trait: I only like people that like me," Trump says as he disses Bruce Springsteen, a wildly popular musician with Trump's own base.0 -
In US presidential elections (and indeed most global democratic elections now) leaders are elected more for their charisma than IQ most of the time. Though occasionally you get one like Obama, Bill Clinton, Thatcher or Macron who combines a high level of bothJim_Miller said:Speaking of IQ: In the US, since 1955, ambitious would-be college students have been taking the National Merit Tests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Merit_Scholarship_Program
It is much like a two-stage IQ test.
The names of the semi-finalists and finalists are published. If the Loser was really smart back then, he could prove it by releasing his score on the preliminary test, and the finalist test, if he got that far.
That he hasn't shows to me that there is an upper limit on his IQ, that he may be above average, but is no genius.
(FWIW, Hillary Clinton was a semi-finalist, passing the first round, but not the second, proving you can be fairly smart, but still not very good at politics.)0 -
Trump's base likes Trump because the libs - including NYTimes columnists - dislike him. My enemy's enemy is my friend.williamglenn said:
Do many NYT columnists understand Trump’s base better than Trump?Scott_xP said:@maggieNYT
"I have a bad trait: I only like people that like me," Trump says as he disses Bruce Springsteen, a wildly popular musician with Trump's own base.
The best way for "the libs" to defeat Trump is to embrace him.1 -
Springsteen and Trump have long not seen eye to eye. Its hard new news. Springsteen has said all the standard stuff about the evils of Trump, repeatedly and stopped him playing his music at events. And yet there are a base of people who like Trump and like Springsteen's music.
Weirdly people seem to be able like somebodies music and detach that from what an artist might think about a politician. Strange I know.0 -
It’s strange that they haven’t tried that: “The Republicans might be scary but we know Trump is one of us.”rcs1000 said:
Trump's base likes Trump because the libs - including NYTimes columnists - dislike him. My enemy's enemy is my friend.williamglenn said:
Do many NYT columnists understand Trump’s base better than Trump?Scott_xP said:@maggieNYT
"I have a bad trait: I only like people that like me," Trump says as he disses Bruce Springsteen, a wildly popular musician with Trump's own base.
The best way for "the libs" to defeat Trump is to embrace him.0 -
The scouser mob are burning down a library now and looting shops. It looks proper bad.0
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It's because there's no organized "they", and no individual incentive to do so.williamglenn said:
It’s strange that they haven’t tried that: “The Republicans might be scary but we know Trump is one of us.”rcs1000 said:
Trump's base likes Trump because the libs - including NYTimes columnists - dislike him. My enemy's enemy is my friend.williamglenn said:
Do many NYT columnists understand Trump’s base better than Trump?Scott_xP said:@maggieNYT
"I have a bad trait: I only like people that like me," Trump says as he disses Bruce Springsteen, a wildly popular musician with Trump's own base.
The best way for "the libs" to defeat Trump is to embrace him.
Ms Haberman earns her crust because NYTimes readers want to read shit about Trump. If she embrace Trump, she would lose her readership and her job.0 -
Not much different to what they were doing in the 1980s thenFrancisUrquhart said:The scouser mob are burning down a library now and looting shops. It looks proper bad.
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Liberal, middle class Guardian reading compilation:
https://x.com/andy_5088/status/18196833402212925570 -
Space stuff
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"What a good time for Labour to win an election! "0
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BBC starts removing Huw Edwards from archives
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0w44nz6nneo0 -
Who is "they"?HYUFD said:
Not much different to what they were doing in the 1980s thenFrancisUrquhart said:The scouser mob are burning down a library now and looting shops. It looks proper bad.
I think you'll find the 1980s riots were a bit different.
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Also known as Saturday night in Walton.FrancisUrquhart said:The scouser mob are burning down a library now and looting shops. It looks proper bad.
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It's all getting a bit serious isn't it?0
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An issue I can see being spread on social media is all sides from today now got their examples of ingroup being oppressed or out group attacking ingroup, this is being used to perpetuating the issues and anger. I am sure the busy fingers of Russia's Internet Research Agency (IRA) have nothing to do with this.GIN1138 said:It's all getting a bit serious isn't it?
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Lateral with Tom ScottCasino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
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Luckiest person in the UK at the moment: one Rishi Sunak.0
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Not really.GIN1138 said:It's all getting a bit serious isn't it?
A few coke-ridden twats need to be arrested and sent behind bars for what they're doing.
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My favourite Tom Scott game is that Two Of These People Are Lying.Andy_JS said:
Lateral with Tom ScottCasino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
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I'll have to watch it. Don't think I've seen it so far.FrancisUrquhart said:
My favourite Tom Scott game is that Two Of These People Are Lying.Andy_JS said:
Lateral with Tom ScottCasino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
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You do know it doesn't work like this, right?Foxy said:
Nah, because the Tories are about to elect an even bigger numpty, one of the ones who ran down our country over the last decade.Leon said:
Within a year Starmer could be less popular than Truss. Despite their majority, I think this will be a feeble clueless one term Labour govtFrancisUrquhart said:
Certainly useful for those pushing the TwoTierKeir hashtag.Leon said:Guardian, BBC, Telegraph, etc - multiple screeds on the awful far right thugs. And there has been some awful far right thuggery - no question. It needs vehement calling out
But not a single fucking mention of the many many videos of Muslims with machetes, of white people being brutalised, of the police offer politely asking Muslims to “please leave your weapons at the mosque”
This just won’t do. I don’t simply mean it’s wrong or bad I mean it is stupidly counterproductive. Anyone with half a brain can find this stuff on social media and will then ask: why aren’t they showing me THIS???
And thus the corrosion of trust continues
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Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UAOs9B9UH8&list=PLfx61sxf1Yz2I-c7eMRk9wBUUDCJkU7H0Andy_JS said:
I'll have to watch it. Don't think I've seen it so far.FrancisUrquhart said:
My favourite Tom Scott game is that Two Of These People Are Lying.Andy_JS said:
Lateral with Tom ScottCasino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
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She must have overdosed on the calories again. Tory Police Commissioner says “don’t arrest people rioting”. What is the world coming to?Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/18198585755877008851 -
On topic the Ayrshire hotelier is trying, successfully, to distract from the fact that he took a 10 million dollar bribe from the president of Egypt.0
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One I hadn't noticed.
Former MP Andrew Bridgen at the recent Tommy Robinson rally in Trafalgar Square. Reported by Hope Not Hate, and others.
An interesting read, looking at our Far Right following the USA in some measure, pitching a Christian Nationalist style. Having checked a couple, their "British Priest" associated are from splinter groups and overseas affiliations.
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/07/27/tommy-robinson-leads-huge-far-right-demonstration-in-london/0 -
Did he mean Russia, or France ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/03/government-warns-that-rioters-will-pay-the-price-as-wave-of-violence-sweeps-uk
...He said: “We had reports today that two people had been stabbed by Muslims in Stoke – it’s just not true. There’s people out there, not even in this country, circulating and stoking up hatred, division and concerns in communities that they don’t care about, don’t know and don’t understand.”..1 -
Interesting.
The U.S. is going to build the first molten salt test reactor.
Construction of next-gen nuclear reactor ‘Hermes’ begins in Oak Ridge
https://www.wate.com/news/top-stories/construction-of-next-gen-nuclear-reactor-hermes-begins-in-oak-ridge/amp/
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It's quite a political statement which I think won't age well, but TBF she didn't say say don't arrest them. She portrayed it as a violent minority, and was too keen to try and explain their narrative.IanB2 said:
She must have overdosed on the calories again. Tory Police Commissioner says “don’t arrest people rioting”. What is the world coming to?Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
I wonder if she spoke to her Chief Constable first? Or if there has been much violence in her area?
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She says that arresting people is treating the symptom, not the cause. That sounds like criticism to me. And then puts forward her alternative approach, which doesn’t mention penalties for those involved, at all.MattW said:
It's quite a political statement which I think won't age well, but TBF she didn't say say don't arrest them. She portrayed it as a violent minority, and was too keen to try and explain their narrative.IanB2 said:
She must have overdosed on the calories again. Tory Police Commissioner says “don’t arrest people rioting”. What is the world coming to?Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
I wonder if she spoke to her Chief Constable first? Or if there has been much violence in her area?
Is she perhaps projecting her local perceptions nationally without careful thought? Hampshire and the IOW is hardly insurrection central.1 -
Ha, brilliant!Andy_JS said:
Lateral with Tom ScottCasino_Royale said:We didn't start the fire.
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Anyhow, I see she has now deleted her own tweet, removed her media release from the PCC website, and tweeted something new about putting those responsible behind bars.IanB2 said:
She says that arresting people is treating the symptom, not the cause. That sounds like criticism to me. And then puts forward her alternative approach, which doesn’t mention penalties for those involved, at all.MattW said:
It's quite a political statement which I think won't age well, but TBF she didn't say say don't arrest them. She portrayed it as a violent minority, and was too keen to try and explain their narrative.IanB2 said:
She must have overdosed on the calories again. Tory Police Commissioner says “don’t arrest people rioting”. What is the world coming to?Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
I wonder if she spoke to her Chief Constable first? Or if there has been much violence in her area?
Is she perhaps projecting her local perceptions nationally without careful thought? Hampshire and the IOW is hardly insurrection central.
Which strongly suggests she knows she has ***ked up.1 -
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.
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Not 'the first'. The US had two test reactors back in the 50s and 60s. Including one meant for use in aircraft...Nigelb said:Interesting.
The U.S. is going to build the first molten salt test reactor.
Construction of next-gen nuclear reactor ‘Hermes’ begins in Oak Ridge
https://www.wate.com/news/top-stories/construction-of-next-gen-nuclear-reactor-hermes-begins-in-oak-ridge/amp/
Different times.
It is apparently the first non-LWR permitted to be built in 50 years, which is perhaps more notable.1 -
Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.3 -
Russia has its useful little idiot in France.Nigelb said:Did he mean Russia, or France ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/03/government-warns-that-rioters-will-pay-the-price-as-wave-of-violence-sweeps-uk
...He said: “We had reports today that two people had been stabbed by Muslims in Stoke – it’s just not true. There’s people out there, not even in this country, circulating and stoking up hatred, division and concerns in communities that they don’t care about, don’t know and don’t understand.”..0 -
Some people here have obviously learned absolutely nothing in the last decade about the dangers of pandering to the far right.
Let's hope Tory politicians have more intelligence.4 -
Trump's nonsense raises the interesting question of who actually was the worst VP in history.
"she's the worst vice president in history" we literally had a vice president shoot someone in the face??
https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1819802417493573882
Cheney is certainly in the running.
But, Aaron Burr ? Spiro Agnew ? Andrew Johnson ?
Or was the latter even the worst Johnson ?
...In 1836, (Richard Mentor) Johnson was the Democratic nominee for vice-president on a ticket with Martin Van Buren. Campaigning with the slogan "Rumpsey Dumpsey, Rumpsey Dumpsey, Colonel Johnson killed Tecumseh", Johnson fell one short of the electoral votes needed to secure his election. Virginia's delegation to the Electoral College refused to endorse Johnson, voting instead for William Smith of South Carolina. The Senate elected him to the vice-presidential office. Johnson proved such a liability for the Democrats in the 1836 election that they refused to renominate him for vice president in 1840. Van Buren campaigned for reelection without a running mate...
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I don't think anyone would disagree that the vandals and thugs should be arrested etc, and imprisoned. The problem starts when their treatment in the criminal justice system gets politicised. In 2011 there was a strategy of harsh, instant justice against the rioting which was political but it was a strategy that worked. But I think it is a mistake to repeat this strategy now because of the wider political context (ie concern about immigration, and also the different approach taken in 2020), and I think also this is reflected in the comments of the Hampshire PCC. But anyway, it is what the labour government is going to try and do, and I think it will just make the problem worse.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.0 -
There's a bit of rewriting history here by you calling them "BLM riots", the vast majority of demonstrations in 2020 were completely peaceful. When they weren't, the police didn't take the knee but the thugs responsible were arrested. If a group wanted to demonstrate their opposition to children being stabbed to death then why wouldn't the Establishment support that. But that's not what the far-right want to do is it.darkage said:
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.
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NBC News polling says Trump was right:
49% of registered voters have a negative view of Vice President Kamala Harris, compared to 32% with a positive view, per a new NBC News poll.
Why it matters: NBC News says Harris' net-negative rating of -17 is the lowest for a vice president in the history of its poll.
Zoom out: In Oct. 2019, 34% had a positive view of then-Vice President Mike Pence, while 38% had a negative view, for a rating of -4, per NBC News.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/26/kamala-harris-poll-2024-election-biden0 -
There was a 'wider political context' back in 2011 as well. It was bullshit, but so are the reasons that people are rioting now.darkage said:
I don't think anyone would disagree that the vandals and thugs should be arrested etc, and imprisoned. The problem starts when their treatment in the criminal justice system gets politicised. In 2011 there was a strategy of harsh, instant justice against the rioting which was political but it was a strategy that worked. But I think it is a mistake to repeat this strategy now because of the wider political context (ie concern about immigration, and also the different approach taken in 2020), and I think also this is reflected in the comments of the Hampshire PCC. But anyway, it is what the labour government is going to try and do, and I think it will just make the problem worse.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.1 -
Josh Shapiro is drifting ever so slightly in the Dem VP nomination market, from 1.4 to 1.42 in the last half hour or so. Whether that is profit-taking or cold feet, who knows?
1.42 Shapiro
5.9 Walz
16 Kelly
17.5 Beshear
40 Buttigieg
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.190716127
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KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov explained it in the 1980s.MisterBedfordshire said:
All Sounds like a conspiracy that would require an awful lot of people to run it.Sandpit said:
Joe Rogan has been going about this for years, that 19 of the top 20 Christian Facebook pages were being run by the Russians.FrancisUrquhart said:Re the likes of Time and Telegraph doing articles on Russian disinformation. One thing they miss and was widely documented by the expert that Obama hired during the end of his time in the White House to look into what the Russians were up to. It isn't a one side thing, they run the same tactics across all angles.
The examples given in the US is they would have Facebook groups say for mostly Black church goers and then also have ones for mostly White church goes. And these groups for 90% of the time would be posting Christian things and information about local events etc, as you would expect, then every so often they would slip in a story about a black person being beaten by a white gang on the one group and vice versa on the other group. Sometimes true stories, sometimes fake ones.
Senator McCarthy was convinced the Russians were up to similar things in the 1950s.
A quite deliberate strategy to confuse Americans into fighting each other, done slowly and in the open over a period of decades.
https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/2 -
No it doesn't.Sandpit said:NBC News polling says Trump was right:
49% of registered voters have a negative view of Vice President Kamala Harris, compared to 32% with a positive view, per a new NBC News poll.
Why it matters: NBC News says Harris' net-negative rating of -17 is the lowest for a vice president in the history of its poll.
Zoom out: In Oct. 2019, 34% had a positive view of then-Vice President Mike Pence, while 38% had a negative view, for a rating of -4, per NBC News.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/26/kamala-harris-poll-2024-election-biden
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Guess who was behind the strategy in 2011.darkage said:
I don't think anyone would disagree that the vandals and thugs should be arrested etc, and imprisoned. The problem starts when their treatment in the criminal justice system gets politicised. In 2011 there was a strategy of harsh, instant justice against the rioting which was political but it was a strategy that worked. But I think it is a mistake to repeat this strategy now because of the wider political context (ie concern about immigration, and also the different approach taken in 2020), and I think also this is reflected in the comments of the Hampshire PCC. But anyway, it is what the labour government is going to try and do, and I think it will just make the problem worse.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.
A lot of neanderthal far-right rioters and looters probably bought the lefty lawyer stuff that has been thrown at Starmer. They are about to find out they have been sold a pup.
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There isn't much point going over this debate as it is one where people just have their own version of the truth. I would just note that, in 2020, firstly we were in the middle of covid restrictions but the rules were waived/bent, including by labour politicians. Secondly it involved a lot of criminal damage and there were also assaults of police, but light on prosecutions afterwards - no 24 hour courts despatching instant justice. Third, you have the symbolism of the police kneeling before the protestors. I am not even really commenting on the rights v wrongs of all this, just pointing out that it will all be dug up and used by internet memes by the 'far right' now.DM_Andy said:
There's a bit of rewriting history here by you calling them "BLM riots", the vast majority of demonstrations in 2020 were completely peaceful. When they weren't, the police didn't take the knee but the thugs responsible were arrested. If a group wanted to demonstrate their opposition to children being stabbed to death then why wouldn't the Establishment support that. But that's not what the far-right want to do is it.darkage said:
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.
Even if you perceive 2020 as 'mostly peaceful protests' it is not how other people perceive the events.
Regarding the 'far right', I am not a supporter of the 'far right' even though people always seem to interpret my comments that way. I am not even in the 40% of people that would vote for conservative/reform, I voted for labour.
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There was a vigil in Southport for the poor girls who were brutally murdered. It passed off entirely peacefully because those who attended were there to express their grief and their horror and to show their love and support for the families affected. Then the far-right moved in.DM_Andy said:
There's a bit of rewriting history here by you calling them "BLM riots", the vast majority of demonstrations in 2020 were completely peaceful. When they weren't, the police didn't take the knee but the thugs responsible were arrested. If a group wanted to demonstrate their opposition to children being stabbed to death then why wouldn't the Establishment support that. But that's not what the far-right want to do is it.darkage said:
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.1 -
The police are being a little disingenuous. The video people were highlighting, the guy was attacked after throwing rocks at a group of Asians. There were various claims online of how he got those injuries ranging from being hit back with rocks to being stabbed. There are also multiple videos of a gang of Asians running around armed with knives, and they kicked the shit out of multiple other people. The police were also recorded saying to this gang, come on, no weapons, leave them back at the mosque.Nigelb said:Did he mean Russia, or France ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/03/government-warns-that-rioters-will-pay-the-price-as-wave-of-violence-sweeps-uk
...He said: “We had reports today that two people had been stabbed by Muslims in Stoke – it’s just not true. There’s people out there, not even in this country, circulating and stoking up hatred, division and concerns in communities that they don’t care about, don’t know and don’t understand.”..
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One of the first announcements his govt made after winning was to say they intended to release a third of the prison population. Bit odd to paint him as Judge Dredd.SouthamObserver said:
Guess who was behind the strategy in 2011.darkage said:
I don't think anyone would disagree that the vandals and thugs should be arrested etc, and imprisoned. The problem starts when their treatment in the criminal justice system gets politicised. In 2011 there was a strategy of harsh, instant justice against the rioting which was political but it was a strategy that worked. But I think it is a mistake to repeat this strategy now because of the wider political context (ie concern about immigration, and also the different approach taken in 2020), and I think also this is reflected in the comments of the Hampshire PCC. But anyway, it is what the labour government is going to try and do, and I think it will just make the problem worse.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.
A lot of neanderthal far-right rioters and looters probably bought the lefty lawyer stuff that has been thrown at Starmer. They are about to find out they have been sold a pup.
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There have been dozens of pre-organised attempts to inflict violence on communities across England over the course of the last few days. Some have succeeded. I suspect most people will be fully supportive of the perpetrators being dealt with as quickly and as harshly as the law permits. I doubt many beyond their apologists will be that bothered by what happened under a completely different set of circumstances in 2020.darkage said:
There isn't much point going over this debate as it is one where people just have their own version of the truth. I would just note that, in 2020, firstly we were in the middle of covid restrictions but the rules were waived/bent, including by labour politicians. Secondly it involved a lot of criminal damage and there were also assaults of police, but light on prosecutions afterwards - no 24 hour courts despatching instant justice. Third, you have the symbolism of the police kneeling before the protestors. I am not even really commenting on the rights v wrongs of all this, just pointing out that it will all be dug up and used by internet memes by the 'far right' now.DM_Andy said:
There's a bit of rewriting history here by you calling them "BLM riots", the vast majority of demonstrations in 2020 were completely peaceful. When they weren't, the police didn't take the knee but the thugs responsible were arrested. If a group wanted to demonstrate their opposition to children being stabbed to death then why wouldn't the Establishment support that. But that's not what the far-right want to do is it.darkage said:
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.
Even if you perceive 2020 as 'mostly peaceful protests' it is not how other people perceive the events.
Regarding the 'far right', I am not a supporter of the 'far right' even though people always seem to interpret my comments that way. I am not even in the 40% of people that would vote for conservative/reform, I voted for labour.0 -
Good luck with that! The Tories bequeathed a prison system that would have been unable to absorb the far-right rioters and looters. The new government has taken action that will ensure they can serve the time they so richly deserve.moonshine said:
One of the first announcements his govt made after winning was to say they intended to release a third of the prison population. Bit odd to paint him as Judge Dredd.SouthamObserver said:
Guess who was behind the strategy in 2011.darkage said:
I don't think anyone would disagree that the vandals and thugs should be arrested etc, and imprisoned. The problem starts when their treatment in the criminal justice system gets politicised. In 2011 there was a strategy of harsh, instant justice against the rioting which was political but it was a strategy that worked. But I think it is a mistake to repeat this strategy now because of the wider political context (ie concern about immigration, and also the different approach taken in 2020), and I think also this is reflected in the comments of the Hampshire PCC. But anyway, it is what the labour government is going to try and do, and I think it will just make the problem worse.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. darkage, vandals and thugs should not be able to run amok but you're entirely right that the kneeling before BLM sets a damned foolish precedent, as many pointed out at the time.
A lot of neanderthal far-right rioters and looters probably bought the lefty lawyer stuff that has been thrown at Starmer. They are about to find out they have been sold a pup.
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And there was me thinking that this site likes polling evidence to back up people’s opinions.Nigelb said:
No it doesn't.Sandpit said:NBC News polling says Trump was right:
49% of registered voters have a negative view of Vice President Kamala Harris, compared to 32% with a positive view, per a new NBC News poll.
Why it matters: NBC News says Harris' net-negative rating of -17 is the lowest for a vice president in the history of its poll.
Zoom out: In Oct. 2019, 34% had a positive view of then-Vice President Mike Pence, while 38% had a negative view, for a rating of -4, per NBC News.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/26/kamala-harris-poll-2024-election-biden
It says that the GOP is a MAGA cult.
Trump was right, until about three weeks ago Harris was the most unpopular VP in history.0 -
Quite.SouthamObserver said:
There was a vigil in Southport for the poor girls who were brutally murdered. It passed off entirely peacefully because those who attended were there to express their grief and their horror and to show their love and support for the families affected. Then the far-right moved in.DM_Andy said:
There's a bit of rewriting history here by you calling them "BLM riots", the vast majority of demonstrations in 2020 were completely peaceful. When they weren't, the police didn't take the knee but the thugs responsible were arrested. If a group wanted to demonstrate their opposition to children being stabbed to death then why wouldn't the Establishment support that. But that's not what the far-right want to do is it.darkage said:
It is an insightful statement, if a bit clumsy. The problem with the 'tough/zero tolerance' option, ie repeating the 2011 approach, is that it did not apply to the BLM riots in 2020, which were basically supported by the 'establishment' at the time, with the police kneeling down before the participants, Sir Keir Starmer kneeling down in pictures, labour politicians actually breaking the law to join the protests, and promoting that they were doing so on social media. So, what you actually have, is one approach towards rioting where the group is supported by the establishment, and another where the group is disliked by the establishment. It is very easy for the 'far right' to communicate this via memes. They can use this to expand their appeal, as they are doing already. Farage is also good at communicating this with his Trump style addresses and he has the skill and experience to keep appropriate separation from those involved in the rioting.Andy_JS said:Donna Jones's statement about the riots. She's the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, elected with 68% of the vote after transfers.
https://x.com/prwhittle/status/1819858575587700885
No one wants this, but I am afraid it is nearly inevitable. Douglas Murray and countless others (who have been unfairly dismissed themselves as 'far right') have been warning about it for the past decade. Because there is widespread support for resolution of the underlying issues, ie immigration and integration, the instinctive approach on the part of the government 'to 'crack down', round people up, send them to prison, outlaw it, make it hate speech' will not work and instead just inflame the problem, which will be very skilfully exploited by the opposition to the government, which includes people like Farage and Anderson who are there to rock the boat.
This is largely just an outburst of hatred against minorities in general, rather than an organised "protest" on immigration.
The attacker in the Southport atrocity wasn't an immigrant.4
