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Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi0
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Her last speech was lame though, made worse by Farage immediately saying “unlike the others I don’t need an autocue”.williamglenn said:Daisy Cooper could be the big winner from this debate.
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Anyway, my main take home is that the BBC are sticking with the Rick Wakeman piece from his King Arthur concept album for their election coverage music, which is a-OK with me. (Saw Yes live on Tuesday (a line-up without Wakeman or Wakeman jnr.).)1
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I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.Farooq said:
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthyboulay said:
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.Heathener said:Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
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Or, alternatively, despite being political opponents they can be human beings who have known each other for years once they stop talking politics and be civil?RochdalePioneers said:Handshakes and giggles between Rayner and Mordaunt at the end. Performative arguing for the sake of it.
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@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/17991699776915458560 -
Until the effects of AI are understood there will not be any stability or future growth in the university sector.Phil said:
& now they’re all charging £6.5k in real terms and universities are completely reliant on income from foreign students to keep the lights on. This is not a recipe for stability & economic growth.another_richard said:
I vaguely remember claims back in 2011 that universities would compete to offer the best value and that £6000 would likely become the standard level of student fees with only the top places charging the top fees.Phil said:
The student loan thing is particularly galling since (as I understand things, I’m sure there was a recent article about this in the Economist or somewhere similar?) it would have been /cheaper/ just to pay out student grants. But no, we had to create a complicated loan scheme with all the hideously expensive bureaucracy to go with it instead.state_go_away said:
and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performerPhil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
The student loan debacle is also one of the drivers behind the imminent collapse of the UK university sector because, despite a decade of inflation since the fee cap was put in place, the government has refused to increase it at all. So university fees are now the equivalent of £6500 in 2012. Unsurprisingly, things are starting to fall apart at the seams.
Instead they all decided to charge maximum fees with immediate effect.2 -
Iceland!HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
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£6.5k in real terms being double what they were charging in 2010, so what's the problem?Phil said:
& now they’re all charging £6.5k in real terms and universities are completely reliant on income from foreign students to keep the lights on. This is not a recipe for stability & economic growth.another_richard said:
I vaguely remember claims back in 2011 that universities would compete to offer the best value and that £6000 would likely become the standard level of student fees with only the top places charging the top fees.Phil said:
The student loan thing is particularly galling since (as I understand things, I’m sure there was a recent article about this in the Economist or somewhere similar?) it would have been /cheaper/ just to pay out student grants. But no, we had to create a complicated loan scheme with all the hideously expensive bureaucracy to go with it instead.state_go_away said:
and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performerPhil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
The student loan debacle is also one of the drivers behind the imminent collapse of the UK university sector because, despite a decade of inflation since the fee cap was put in place, the government has refused to increase it at all. So university fees are now the equivalent of £6500 in 2012. Unsurprisingly, things are starting to fall apart at the seams.
Instead they all decided to charge maximum fees with immediate effect.0 -
Feels like when the con man breaks out one last amazing promise, and it is just a bit too much to believe.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/17991699776915458562 -
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
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I thought it was smart to refer to the sewage issue. It could sway a lot of voters.TimS said:
Her last speech was lame though, made worse by Farage immediately saying “unlike the others I don’t need an autocue”.williamglenn said:Daisy Cooper could be the big winner from this debate.
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Quite right.Heathener said:
Standard on here. Every day there are sexist remarks and highly sexual ones - all the bukkake stuff this morning being just one of zillions. And I go and refer to a member of my own sex as ghastly and a man steps in on me. Tsk.Farooq said:
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthyboulay said:
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.Heathener said:Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
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Not a bad policy, but the obvious problem is that house price inflation is a far bigger headache for first time buyers than Stamp Duty is.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/17991699776915458565 -
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If we don't return Penny in Portsmouth North who will open the food pantries?RochdalePioneers said:Penny apparently trying to pivot a Net Zero question into Labour tax rises. "My constituents cannot afford that" says the minister whose government has put taxes up to crazy levels and instigated a cost of living crisis which forces people in full time work to rely on foodbanks
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Of course they do which is why employers prefer having 100 people applying for the job than 2 people. Hence why employers love immigrationDM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.0 -
How the dickens can England be losing to Iceland at football?0
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She ballsed it up by pausing for a bit too long before she'd actually finished her statement - some people clapped early, others didn't clap at all. Hers was easily the worst of all the final statements.bondegezou said:Mordaunt got least applause for her closing statement, followed by Plaid and RefUK
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Aarrrrgggggghhhh!!!!! You don’t fix asset price bubbles by helping people pay more for assets!!! Aarrrggghhh!!!!kle4 said:
Feels like when the con man breaks out one last amazing promise, and it is just a bit too much to believe.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1799169977691545856
None of them get this. Or rather they do, but they want the sugar rush of votes from those who save cash right now, and don’t care about the right policy in the long run.
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Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
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Ed Davey has made a lot of running on this issue- hence the stunt in Lake Windermere, It is most definitely cutting through.williamglenn said:
I thought it was smart to refer to the sewage issue. It could sway a lot of voters.TimS said:
Her last speech was lame though, made worse by Farage immediately saying “unlike the others I don’t need an autocue”.williamglenn said:Daisy Cooper could be the big winner from this debate.
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To be fair Israel play in UEFA and are in Eurovision so they are part of the whole warlike history that makes us Europeans so “one”.Farooq said:
You know this isn't the Euros, right?HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
I know you're gutted that your beloved Wales aren't in it, but pay attention!1 -
No, we're winning!londonpubman said:I see we are losing in the football
I blame Rishi 😈0 -
Are you trying to tell us poor penny got the clap?AlsoLei said:
She ballsed it up by pausing for a bit too long before she'd actually finished her statement - some people clapped early, others didn't clap at all. Hers was easily the worst of all the final statements.bondegezou said:Mordaunt got least applause for her closing statement, followed by Plaid and RefUK
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They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.0 -
And I appreciate your naïve assumption that taxes don't affect prices.DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
We have full employment in this country, if employers don't pay people enough then they don't get any employees and those who pay more get the employees instead.
Firms have to account for NI when they determine what they can afford to pay. Any firm that fails to account for taxes will go bust instead.1 -
So they’ve promised that current rates will remain unchanged & are spinning this as a great Tory tax giveaway?Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/17991699776915458560 -
That's because they're all to varying degrees and with varying sincerity Unionists. Still, Sir Keir has been known to go full English natio..err..patriot.williamglenn said:If an English politician stood on that stage and said, "Put England's interests first," people would be outraged.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/20/labour-is-now-the-true-party-of-english-patriotism/0 -
Gibraltar 0 Wales 0Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
That is so funny
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And are fucking fruitloopsAndy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.0 -
Yeah, I thought it was fine. It largely worked. The contestants got to make their points.DM_Andy said:That was quite fun, would be surprised if it changed anyone's mind but still probably better than the football.
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Only a team set up by Southgate could struggle to score against such opposition. Its almost criminal how much talent he is going to waste this summer.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
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BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
https://x.com/skynews/status/1799160854765552107?s=61
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Nor is it Israel playing - HY has Sunak levels of football knowledge.Farooq said:
You know this isn't the Euros, right?HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
I know you're gutted that your beloved Wales aren't in it, but pay attention!0 -
DavidL said:
Only a team set up by Southgate could struggle to score against such opposition. Its almost criminal how much talent he is going to waste this summer.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
That is so funny
Time to bring on Grealish...0 -
The block grant from the government being axed down over the last 14 years is the problem. There's a serious funding crunch in the tertiary education sector. It worked out fairly well until recently because international students subsidised UK places (a good way to leverage our international academic rep IMO). However, government moves to try to restrict the number of international students is presenting a big issue for those institutions. Mid-tier institutions are already struggling with the cut to the block grant and now the big boys are having trouble too. It's very silly given how much economic growth places like Imperial put out.BartholomewRoberts said:
£6.5k in real terms being double what they were charging in 2010, so what's the problem?Phil said:
& now they’re all charging £6.5k in real terms and universities are completely reliant on income from foreign students to keep the lights on. This is not a recipe for stability & economic growth.another_richard said:
I vaguely remember claims back in 2011 that universities would compete to offer the best value and that £6000 would likely become the standard level of student fees with only the top places charging the top fees.Phil said:
The student loan thing is particularly galling since (as I understand things, I’m sure there was a recent article about this in the Economist or somewhere similar?) it would have been /cheaper/ just to pay out student grants. But no, we had to create a complicated loan scheme with all the hideously expensive bureaucracy to go with it instead.state_go_away said:
and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performerPhil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
The student loan debacle is also one of the drivers behind the imminent collapse of the UK university sector because, despite a decade of inflation since the fee cap was put in place, the government has refused to increase it at all. So university fees are now the equivalent of £6500 in 2012. Unsurprisingly, things are starting to fall apart at the seams.
Instead they all decided to charge maximum fees with immediate effect.1 -
You are surprised when clueless politician gets taken in by internet hoax?ToryJim said:BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
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The number of voters, let alone journos, politicos & pundits genuinely outraged by Sunak's D-Day evacuation, is FAR exceeded by those who are baffled by such an absurd level of political ineptitude.Casino_Royale said:Reform are
I'm astonished too. I don't know a single person who was glued to the D-Day coverage beforehand and yet it's got huge traction.Luckyguy1983 said:I find the D-day stuff a bit overblown to be honest.
I can only conclude that the electorate want to see Sunak slip on banana skins, and are rather enjoying it.
There will be more of them. He doesn't have the political savviness or dexterity to avoid them.
Especially since the outraged are obviously concentrated in the very group that he & Tories have been targeting so relentlessly.
Which is underscoring the general lack of competence the PM, his government and his party have been projecting in the weeks, months, years leading up to the Summer of '24.1 -
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Which party does Robertson lead?DavidL said:Andy Robertson has just been superb. His crosses giving rise to both goals. Shankland wants to play against Germany. He wanted a goal so badly.
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Absolute disaster for Mordaunt. She's finished.
Note: Actually watched Coronation Street not that debate nonsense. Our Toyah got arrested for murdering her bairn.1 -
Is he resting the big hitters? I'm not watching it.DavidL said:
Only a team set up by Southgate could struggle to score against such opposition. Its almost criminal how much talent he is going to waste this summer.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
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Yes, fair point. She just delivered it in too scripted a way. I’ve seen her live several times and she really didn’t need the autocue.williamglenn said:
I thought it was smart to refer to the sewage issue. It could sway a lot of voters.TimS said:
Her last speech was lame though, made worse by Farage immediately saying “unlike the others I don’t need an autocue”.williamglenn said:Daisy Cooper could be the big winner from this debate.
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Oh dear. How much later is an embarrassing question.ToryJim said:BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
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Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?boulay said:
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.Farooq said:
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthyboulay said:
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.Heathener said:Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
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Maybe they are though. How many people think Farage still leads them?Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.
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So why isn't everyone on minimum wage ?DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
Because the demand for workers forces employers to pay more.
Ultimately the demand for workers pushes up wage rates to the point where it no longer becomes profitable to employ them.
Employers NI merely reduces the amount that the employee gets not what the employer is willing to pay.2 -
I suspect most people think UKIP and Refuk are the same party. We might see some unexpectedly-high scores for UKIP as a result of any Faragasm...Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.0 -
"Reform Slot"bondegezou said:
Which party does Robertson lead?DavidL said:Andy Robertson has just been superb. His crosses giving rise to both goals. Shankland wants to play against Germany. He wanted a goal so badly.
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I'm expecting Sunak to randomly apologise for England losing in the morning2
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UKIP are standing in Harlow as well as Reformbiggles said:
Maybe they are though. How many people think Farage still leads them?Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.0 -
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"...please clap"Pagan2 said:
Are you trying to tell us poor penny got the clap?AlsoLei said:
She ballsed it up by pausing for a bit too long before she'd actually finished her statement - some people clapped early, others didn't clap at all. Hers was easily the worst of all the final statements.bondegezou said:Mordaunt got least applause for her closing statement, followed by Plaid and RefUK
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I wouldn't be surprised if people voted UKIP thinking they were choosing Farage.Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.
Easy mistake to make.0 -
Is Sunak at the footy?
Well, for the first half, anyway.9 -
Yes well this is English TV not Icelandic TVRichard_Tyndall said:0 -
Are you new to watching England? Recall 2016…Andy_JS said:How the dickens can England be losing to Iceland at football?
Besides it’s a warm up friendly. Players main concern is not getting injured.1 -
I think this could be Southgate's swansong. His squad selection is very strange.DavidL said:
Only a team set up by Southgate could struggle to score against such opposition. Its almost criminal how much talent he is going to waste this summer.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
That is so funny
Replacing the waistcoat with a cardigan is proof positive that he has lost his touch.0 -
We expect it !!!DM_Andy said:
Gibraltar 0 Wales 0Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
That is so funny0 -
I was chatting to a colleague in Canada when I was over there last week and he was saying to me that the only British show he got on CBC when he was a kid was Corrie. He said when he heard the theme music and saw the gable roof skyline it was time to stop watching TV for the evening.Dura_Ace said:Absolute disaster for Mordaunt. She's finished.
Note: Actually watched Coronation Street not that debate nonsense. Our Toyah got arrested for murdering her bairn.0 -
Chapeau.SandyRentool said:Is Sunak at the footy?
Well, for the first half, anyway.3 -
This is exactly why I advised Rishi to leave Normandy - no guarantee that the supposed leaders he was talking to were really who they said they were. They had a senile grandpa pretending to be Biden, a “single dad at B&Q” (hat tip Dura Ace) playing Zelensky, Prince William pretending to be King Charles and Justin Trudeau in White-face.ToryJim said:BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
https://x.com/skynews/status/1799160854765552107?s=612 -
If one went to a public school like Rishi and I football is rugby football and the game on now is soccerFarooq said:
Yes, I saw someone else had picked this up before me so left it alone.Benpointer said:
Nor is it Israel playing - HY has Sunak levels of football knowledge.Farooq said:
You know this isn't the Euros, right?HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
I know you're gutted that your beloved Wales aren't in it, but pay attention!1 -
Since minimum wage came in the number of people paid min wage has increased. The reason not all are are on min wage is as skills get rarer they have to compete. Most people can scrub a toilet....not everyone can write a micro service in c# or perform neurosurgery to remove a brain tumouranother_richard said:
So why isn't everyone on minimum wage ?DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
Because the demand for workers forces employers to pay more.
Ultimately the demand for workers pushes up wage rates to the point where it no longer becomes profitable to employ them.
Employers NI merely reduces the amount that the employee gets not what the employer is willing to pay.0 -
The fees charged in 2010 were topped up by government grants to the higher education sector. These were removed when the £9k fee system was introduced. The £9k limit was roughly equal to the sum of the £3k fee & the grant paid per student at the time I believe.BartholomewRoberts said:
£6.5k in real terms being double what they were charging in 2010, so what's the problem?Phil said:
& now they’re all charging £6.5k in real terms and universities are completely reliant on income from foreign students to keep the lights on. This is not a recipe for stability & economic growth.another_richard said:
I vaguely remember claims back in 2011 that universities would compete to offer the best value and that £6000 would likely become the standard level of student fees with only the top places charging the top fees.Phil said:
The student loan thing is particularly galling since (as I understand things, I’m sure there was a recent article about this in the Economist or somewhere similar?) it would have been /cheaper/ just to pay out student grants. But no, we had to create a complicated loan scheme with all the hideously expensive bureaucracy to go with it instead.state_go_away said:
and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performerPhil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
The student loan debacle is also one of the drivers behind the imminent collapse of the UK university sector because, despite a decade of inflation since the fee cap was put in place, the government has refused to increase it at all. So university fees are now the equivalent of £6500 in 2012. Unsurprisingly, things are starting to fall apart at the seams.
Instead they all decided to charge maximum fees with immediate effect.
(Anyone have any actual figures? I haven’t found any with a brief search, but I’m sure they exist somewhere...)1 -
Farage and the Green seen getting off with each other by the bins out back
#debatescandals0 -
We do not want him at Old TraffordDavidL said:
Only a team set up by Southgate could struggle to score against such opposition. Its almost criminal how much talent he is going to waste this summer.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just switched on the football
England 0 Iceland 1
That is so funny0 -
I see Germany are failing to beat Greece. 1-1 atm.turbotubbs said:
Are you new to watching England? Recall 2016…Andy_JS said:How the dickens can England be losing to Iceland at football?
Besides it’s a warm up friendly. Players main concern is not getting injured.0 -
Possibly the same Poroshenko-impressionist who got Hollande last year?ToryJim said:BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
https://x.com/skynews/status/1799160854765552107?s=61
https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/11/russian-pranksters-posing-as-ukraines-ex-leader-call-former-french-president-francois-holl1 -
I saw on the wiki page for the election a few predictions with the Tories getting around 190 seats. If they were offered that now I think they'd leap at the chance!
The ranges are pretty amaxing - Tories 75-194, Labour 390-475, LDs 22-61, SNP 11-24, PC 1-4 (which feels very broad given the number of seats in Wales), Greens 1-2, Reform 0-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election
Which are the two seats Greens are thought to be close in? One in Bristol and still Brighton?0 -
If they get treble figures I'd be surprisedHYUFD said:
UKIP are standing in Harlow as well as Reformbiggles said:
Maybe they are though. How many people think Farage still leads them?Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.2 -
And English TV follows standard international codes for naming countries.HYUFD said:
Yes well this is English TV not Icelandic TVRichard_Tyndall said:
ISL is the three letter code for ISLand funnily enough.
Also funnily enough ISR is the three letter code for ISRael.
Why would Israel be ISL instead of ISR?0 -
IF there's a Coalition, perhaps Minister of State for Shuffling, Sliding & Tripping in MoSW?RochdalePioneers said:
Remember that I have baggsied the Ministry of Silly Walksbiggles said:
With the mighty Ed Davey? Easily. One bonkers photo op a week and they’ll be running the country by Christmas.Benpointer said:So it has come to this, we are seriously contemplating how the LibDems will manage as the Official Opposition.
We live in interesting times!1 -
If someone is willing to work for £x, has there been a situation where the manager has said "You're doing great, we'll pay you more money for exactly the same job" Employers look at retention rates and what the competition is offering to decide what to pay their employees.another_richard said:
So why isn't everyone on minimum wage ?DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
Because the demand for workers forces employers to pay more.
Ultimately the demand for workers pushes up wage rates to the point where it no longer becomes profitable to employ them.
Employers NI merely reduces the amount that the employee gets not what the employer is willing to pay.
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Possibly in the few seats where UKIP stands and Reform doesn't. (I would guess not).AlsoLei said:
I suspect most people think UKIP and Refuk are the same party. We might see some unexpectedly-high scores for UKIP as a result of any Faragasm...Andy_JS said:
They won't because UKIP isn't getting any publicity at this election.OnboardG1 said:
It would be genuinely funny if UKIP somehow crib all the reform vote in that seat.kle4 said:
More shocking is UKIP are standing.Andy_JS said:No RefUK candidate in Gavin Williamson's new seat of Stone, Great Wyrley & Penkridge.
https://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/SOPN__NOP_Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge.pdf
Makes this seat a possibility for the highest Tory share in the country, given that Reform probably would have done quite well if they'd stood.
They had 44 candidates last time.0 -
Food pantries? You mean food banks with gingham tops?Mexicanpete said:...
If we don't return Penny in Portsmouth North who will open the food pantries?RochdalePioneers said:Penny apparently trying to pivot a Net Zero question into Labour tax rises. "My constituents cannot afford that" says the minister whose government has put taxes up to crazy levels and instigated a cost of living crisis which forces people in full time work to rely on foodbanks
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Israel is ISRTheuniondivvie said:0 -
The timings yesterday were all wrong.SandyRentool said:Is Sunak at the footy?
Well, for the first half, anyway.
Sunak should have been there throughout
Macron should have been there at the start, disappeared for most of it and then returned at the end
Biden should have turned up half way through4 -
In the good old days it would have been Steve Penk doing the hoax callToryJim said:BREAKING: Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron exchanged messages and held a video call with someone purporting to be former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, but the interactions were later determined to be a hoax.
https://x.com/skynews/status/1799160854765552107?s=610 -
But it should be ÍSL not ISL then.BartholomewRoberts said:0 -
A man has assaulted and beaten Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen on a street in Copenhagen, Danish broadcaster TV2 reported.
https://x.com/politicoeurope/status/1799171751558996119?s=61
Eek. I hope she’s ok.2 -
The Canadians ....another_richard said:
The timings yesterday were all wrong.SandyRentool said:Is Sunak at the footy?
Well, for the first half, anyway.
Sunak should have been there throughout
Macron should have been there at the start, disappeared for most of it and then returned at the end
Biden should have turned up half way through0 -
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.Heathener said:
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?boulay said:
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.Farooq said:
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthyboulay said:
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.Heathener said:Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
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I've mostly been looking at the FT's polling tracker rather than Wiki recently but looking at the table, that's a truly fucking awful set of polls for Blue Team since the debate.kle4 said:I saw on the wiki page for the election a few predictions with the Tories getting around 190 seats. If they were offered that now I think they'd leap at the chance!
The ranges are pretty amaxing - Tories 75-194, Labour 390-475, LDs 22-61, SNP 11-24, PC 1-4 (which feels very broad given the number of seats in Wales), Greens 1-2, Reform 0-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election
Which are the two seats Greens are thought to be close in? One in Bristol and still Brighton?0 -
Do danish pm's not have a security detail?ToryJim said:A man has assaulted and beaten Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen on a street in Copenhagen, Danish broadcaster TV2 reported.
https://x.com/politicoeurope/status/1799171751558996119?s=61
Eek. I hope she’s ok.
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It should be like the T20 World Cup, every team there has their country's name on their shirts IN ENGLISH as God himself intended. (/s obviously)Theuniondivvie said:
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It’s a 70’s or 80’s tv show which is surprisingly amusing. It’s like watching my parents and friends parents at their peak having awkward social situations. I’m amazed your Tory friends don’t talk to you about it, it’s right up their street by the sound of things. It’s centred around a “Will they or won’t they” relationship like Leon and Cyclefree, two star crossed lovers separated by social class and bullshit. Like Marina Hyde and Piers Morgan even.Heathener said:
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?boulay said:
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.Farooq said:
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthyboulay said:
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.Heathener said:Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
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Yes absolutely that situation happens all the time, whenever that employers competitors are offering £x+y then the employer can't afford to only offer £x unless they want to lose all of their good employees.DM_Andy said:
If someone is willing to work for £x, has there been a situation where the manager has said "You're doing great, we'll pay you more money for exactly the same job" Employers look at retention rates and what the competition is offering to decide what to pay their employees.another_richard said:
So why isn't everyone on minimum wage ?DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
Because the demand for workers forces employers to pay more.
Ultimately the demand for workers pushes up wage rates to the point where it no longer becomes profitable to employ them.
Employers NI merely reduces the amount that the employee gets not what the employer is willing to pay.
As you acknowledge, competition exists.
Currently the competition has to price in NI, which means they reduce wages proportionately as its a direct cost to them for employing someone. Remove employers NI and the competition can afford to pay more, which when we have full employment means only one thing.2 -
Unless you're the government.DM_Andy said:
If someone is willing to work for £x, has there been a situation where the manager has said "You're doing great, we'll pay you more money for exactly the same job" Employers look at retention rates and what the competition is offering to decide what to pay their employees.another_richard said:
So why isn't everyone on minimum wage ?DM_Andy said:
I appreciate your naïve assumption that employers wouldn't just trouser any tax savings. Employers pay people as little as they can get away with.BartholomewRoberts said:
Since always. Its a direct tax on wages, which means firms pay lower wages as a result as they budget the tax as part of their costs.DM_Andy said:
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?Phil said:
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.DM_Andy said:
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.tlg86 said:Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Tax on wages are far too high in this country.
Tax on unearned incomes are far too low.
Working for a living should never be taxed any higher than making a living through means other than working.
Because the demand for workers forces employers to pay more.
Ultimately the demand for workers pushes up wage rates to the point where it no longer becomes profitable to employ them.
Employers NI merely reduces the amount that the employee gets not what the employer is willing to pay.0 -
Whereas up here in the Red Wall that nonsense you posh lads play isn't proper rugby.HYUFD said:
If one went to a public school like Rishi and I football is rugby football and the game on now is soccerFarooq said:
Yes, I saw someone else had picked this up before me so left it alone.Benpointer said:
Nor is it Israel playing - HY has Sunak levels of football knowledge.Farooq said:
You know this isn't the Euros, right?HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
I know you're gutted that your beloved Wales aren't in it, but pay attention!3 -
Just more driving on the demand side, rather than addressing the need for a functioning market.Scott_xP said:@benrileysmith
**EXCLUSIVE**
The Tories will promise to **permanently** abolish stamp duty for first time buyers on properties worth up to £425,000.
Policy will be unveiled in their manifesto next week. Around 200,000 households to benefit every year. Our story below:
https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1799169977691545856
Arse about face.
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Jon Craig Sky political correspondent thinks Mordaunt was class and very polished . Jeez is he drunk !
I like Penny but really she wasn’t great tonight .0 -
He obviously didn't go to Eton ...Farooq said:
Ok Dafydd ap Hyufd, but you're the one who started talking about it, not me!HYUFD said:
If one went to a public school like Rishi and I football is rugby football and the game on now is soccerFarooq said:
Yes, I saw someone else had picked this up before me so left it alone.Benpointer said:
Nor is it Israel playing - HY has Sunak levels of football knowledge.Farooq said:
You know this isn't the Euros, right?HYUFD said:Meanwhile England currently losing to Israel in the football, so no Euros bounce likely for Rishi
I know you're gutted that your beloved Wales aren't in it, but pay attention!0
