Next week things can only get better for Sunak or worse – politicalbetting.com
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What was this post Faiza Shaheen liked?ThomasNashe said:
It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
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Timms may sleep easier to know that he's assured of my vote. Mrs N too, I'd think.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..0 -
Damn I thought I'd got the correction done in time!Farooq said:
No, they'd have to go to the ends of the earth to shift the polesThomasNashe said:
Failing some Donaldson-like revelations about SKS the poles just aren't going to shift are they?Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)1 -
If you could afford private school fees before you can certainly afford to move to the catchment area of an Outstanding school.eek said:
Again see my comment below regarding Durham Framwellgate. Basically a lot of the time you aren't going to get into the Outstanding school unless you up sticks and move next door to said school...HYUFD said:
Any pushy parents no longer able to afford private school fees would almost certainly not touch a state school that was anything other than Outstanding rated on everything with a bargepole. So it really makes no difference to raising state standards except reducing places for children who might otherwise have got into an Outstanding schooleek said:
Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.Casino_Royale said:
It's perfectly possible he tries that.Benpointer said:
Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!boulay said:
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.Nigelb said:
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…boulay said:…
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.GIN1138 said:
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏Taz said:
Scott does.GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
So nobody of any consequence.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
[Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
Plus you will almost certainly be motivated enough do the necessary church attendance or fund enough tutors to get your child into an Outstanding church school or a grammar school0 -
I agree. These things aren't massively predictive. But, in general, long deliberations are bad news for the defence.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily, if a jury has clearly decided on not guilty it normally reaches a verdict within a few hours (and the defence asked for a swift and decisive not guilty).nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
Not guilty verdicts are often very quick. If you go round the jury room and four or five jurors are deeply sceptical or even hostile towards convicting, the rest realise quickly it ain't happening. You need unanimity to convict but, for acquittal, all it takes is for the jurors who believe the defendant to be guilty to realise they aren't going to get unanimity.1 -
Not necessarily to their advantage...ThomasNashe said:
Failing some Donaldson-like revelations about SKS the polls just aren't going to shift are they?Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)1 -
Details here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c3ggv2jxz7goDecrepiterJohnL said:
What was this post Faiza Shaheen liked?ThomasNashe said:
It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
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Rather than banning smartphones and social media for the under 16's, we really ought to be looking at banning the over 60"s.Nigelb said:Tiny number of ‘supersharers’ spread the vast majority of fake news
https://www.science.org/content/article/tiny-number-supersharers-spread-vast-majority-fake-news
Did you see the article claiming Kamala Harris joked about killing Mike Pence and Donald Trump? Or the one about large numbers of Trump votes being secretly switched to Joe Biden? If stories like this, run by fake news sites such as Infowars or Gatewaypundit, popped up in your social media feed about the 2020 U.S. presidential election, they probably came from a tiny group of people with a massive impact.
A mere 2000 or so “supersharers” spread 80% of content from fake news sites in a sample of more than 600,000 U.S. voters on X (formerly Twitter), according to an analysis published today in Science. The posters were more likely to be women and older—challenging the stereotype of social media manipulators as young, alt-right men—and they had a huge reach: More than one in 20 users in the data set followed at least one of these supersharers...4 -
Important not to smile too. He smirks inappropriately when under pressure.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786781 -
Could it be, that the trade unionist cited are desparate to be seen & heard supporting Diane Abbot as a Labour candidate?Mexicanpete said:The trade union leaders ( Matt Wrack on C4) really are a bit thick. Desperate to see the entitled mad old Diane Abbott as a candidate even if that means a Conservative victory.
That is, more so perhaps than actually wanting it!0 -
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.0 -
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.1 -
Everything we have seen in the last week has been MOE stuff.ThomasNashe said:
Failing some Donaldson-like revelations about SKS the polls just aren't going to shift are they?Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)
Nothing has changed.2 -
The question of who Refuk supporters will actually vote for in seats without a candidate might be, well, not crucial but vaguely interesting. Is it a right-wing vote or a NOTA vote?Stuartinromford said:
Can't hide in a fridge when you're so far behind.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
Talking of which YouGov have generated another set of numbers for The Times;
Overall the Conservatives are up one point on 21 per cent, Labour are down one point on 46 per cent while support for Reform UK has increased from 12 per cent to 15 per cent. The Liberal Democrats are down one point on 8 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a7198376-ceba-43f0-a566-44b8f4af21db0 -
Fried Chicken Friday. They're certainly making the most of the lunch provision.Scott_xP said:@kaitlancollins
Judge Merchan says he is going to excuse the jury at 4:30 p.m. ET. They have not submitted any more notes since the third one this morning. That means deliberations are expected to resume tomorrow.0 -
Angela Rayner isn’t my cup of tea politically but this video is pretty good.
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Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?0 -
Downing Street was full of staffers and SpAds, each of whom had a camera in their pocket, and most of whom had a loathing ofMexicanpete said:...
It really is unfair, there is a narrative that alleges it might have been Sunak who dobbed Johnson in for Partygate The story goes that the infamous photo that showed Mr and Mrs Johnson and a bunch of Downing Street staffers partying like it was 1999.during Lockdown One, was taken from Rishi's Office window. So did Rishi take it or was COVID Lockdown Downing Street an open house for allcomers with a camera?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, he was genuinely ambushed by cake.Stuartinromford said:
And the response... Not at all tetchy.Scott_xP said:@LizzyBuchan
Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.
"How can anyone trust you after things like this?"
Sunak says he only got fined because he "turned up early" while "working on things to help you and your business"
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1796193024269062167
Which could be a problem next Tuesday. (And I've got some sympathy for Sunak on the fine- it was harsh given what else was going on.)BorisDominic Cummings who was likely the real target. ETA or should that be each of who?0 -
Good to see some positivity rather than just slagging off the opposition.ToryJim said:Angela Rayner isn’t my cup of tea politically but this video is pretty good.
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'US President Joe Biden has given Ukraine permission to use US-supplied weapons to strike targets in Russia, but only near the Kharkiv region, US media are quoting officials as saying.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy770l9llnzo0 -
I think he will just about scrape back in.ThomasNashe said:s
Timms may sleep easier to know that he's assured of my vote. Mrs N too, I'd think.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
BTW, when you look (which I don't often) at the Labour and fringe hard left on social media, they are absolutely furious with Starmer and co. They are so cooped in their corner that I doubt if they will have the chance to lose it for Labour, but they would if the possibly could. Which reminds me, is Richard Burgon still around? He has gone very quiet indeed. I always felt that with his particular talent he could lose an election single handed.0 -
I mean, just pathetic from Biden. They need to be able to hit the airfields the Glide Bombers are using.HYUFD said:'US President Joe Biden has given Ukraine permission to use US-supplied weapons to strike targets in Russia, but only near the Kharkiv region, US media are quoting officials as saying.'
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No, in some respects a whole life term with no hope of ever getting released is worse than a swift deathFoxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?0 -
@jessicaelgot
🚨That was quick!
Labour selects teacher Shama Tatler in Chingford and Woodford Green, a key figure in Labour To Win.0 -
Hanged. Are there any capital punishment fans on PB? I live very quietly and never meet any. The debate is over SFAICS, and a good thing too.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?0 -
Funny how so many of these "Socialists" are trying their hardest to help the Tories.1
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We must be due a big policy announcement held back so far by Labour this weekend to try and move on from splits and Abbot and so on?
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It looks like they have candidates now for 500 or so seats, so not many left to fill for a full slate.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The question of who Refuk supporters will actually vote for in seats without a candidate might be, well, not crucial but vaguely interesting. Is it a right-wing vote or a NOTA vote?Stuartinromford said:
Can't hide in a fridge when you're so far behind.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
Talking of which YouGov have generated another set of numbers for The Times;
Overall the Conservatives are up one point on 21 per cent, Labour are down one point on 46 per cent while support for Reform UK has increased from 12 per cent to 15 per cent. The Liberal Democrats are down one point on 8 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a7198376-ceba-43f0-a566-44b8f4af21db1 -
As Big Ron used to sing ‘it’s up to you, Dwight Yorke, Dwight Yorke’Stuartinromford said:
Are you suggesting that if Trump can make it there, he can make it anywhere?HYUFD said:
The jury is from Manhattan, if a jury won't convict Trump there of at least 1 of 38 charges he wouldn't be convicted anywhere in the USalgarkirk said:
FWIW it has always seemed to me that if all 12 are required for a guilty verdict this isn't going to happen.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .0 -
Indeed, at the end of the day the only people who know what is going on are the jury themselves.algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
Given the large number of charges, their complexity and the need for unanimity it is likely they will take their time and want a verdict that has considered carefully all the evidence and where they all agree1 -
Jury have a verdict !
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That is brilliant. I love his stuff.Scott_xP said:@MrMichaelSpicer
the room next door - Rishi Sunak and the Eye Roller
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Plus ca change.SandyRentool said:Funny how so many of these "Socialists" are trying their hardest to help the Tories.
Only one thing utterly worse than Tory party in office and that is middle of the road Wilson/Blair type social democratic party in office.
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He has to be careful not to push towards WW3 as well however by sending US missiles deep into Russia itselfMonksfield said:
I mean, just pathetic from Biden. They need to be able to hit the airfields the Glide Bombers are using.HYUFD said:'US President Joe Biden has given Ukraine permission to use US-supplied weapons to strike targets in Russia, but only near the Kharkiv region, US media are quoting officials as saying.'
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Hanged. Hung is what I am.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?
Looking at the shit NHS trusts hand out to NHS whistle blowers I am profoundly unhappy about this conviction on the basis of NHS generated evidence. And this is not because she is a pretty blonde, because she is neither.0 -
@nadinebh_
Not exactly the sort of stuff you want to have to be sharing during an election campaign when you're the chancellor of the governing party...
@Jeremy_Hunt
I have this afternoon been on a call with the UKHSA, DEFRA, Thames Water and Asda with Cllr Austin. Thames Water are implementing a drinking water stop notice across much of Bramley Village.
Please see the press release below. I have requested that bottled water stations are in Bramley itself - they are being set up now. I will keep you updated on this, Jeremy0 -
Very quick verdicts are almost always not guilty.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
If a few jurors say, "he's not guilty and I won't vote to convict full stop" it's game over and, however much others may think they are wrong, there is no point continuing.
The same just isn't true in reverse. If a few are convinced of guilt, there's no inevitability about the outcome and the more sceptical will want a very long conversation.
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She is so ending up on Strictly or the jungle when this Lab administration has run its due course.Foxy said:
Good to see some positivity rather than just slagging off the opposition.ToryJim said:Angela Rayner isn’t my cup of tea politically but this video is pretty good.
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Tatler, she even sounds like a Tory!Scott_xP said:@jessicaelgot
🚨That was quick!
Labour selects teacher Shama Tatler in Chingford and Woodford Green, a key figure in Labour To Win.1 -
Matt Wrack is hardly a typical trade union leader. The FBU only reaffiliated with Labour to support Corbyn.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Could it be, that the trade unionist cited are desparate to be seen & heard supporting Diane Abbot as a Labour candidate?Mexicanpete said:The trade union leaders ( Matt Wrack on C4) really are a bit thick. Desperate to see the entitled mad old Diane Abbott as a candidate even if that means a Conservative victory.
That is, more so perhaps than actually wanting it!1 -
Cancel the Chicken!Scott_xP said:Jury have a verdict !
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They are so fucked.Scott_xP said:@nadinebh_
Not exactly the sort of stuff you want to have to be sharing during an election campaign when you're the chancellor of the governing party...
@Jeremy_Hunt
I have this afternoon been on a call with the UKHSA, DEFRA, Thames Water and Asda with Cllr Austin. Thames Water are implementing a drinking water stop notice across much of Bramley Village.
Please see the press release below. I have requested that bottled water stations are in Bramley itself - they are being set up now. I will keep you updated on this, Jeremy
This is how it ends, not with a bang but with a retch.0 -
OK so googling the text from that video finds the tweet in question was from Jon Stewart of American television fame. Stewart is himself Jewish.ThomasNashe said:
Details here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c3ggv2jxz7goDecrepiterJohnL said:
What was this post Faiza Shaheen liked?ThomasNashe said:
It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The US late-night satirist Jon Stewart has responded after Britain’s Labour Party blocked left-wing academic Faiza Shaheen from standing as a candidate in the upcoming general election for liking a number of potentially offensive social media posts, one of which featured a clip from The Daily Show.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jon-stewart-faiza-shaheen-labour-b2553787.html
This is the dumbest thing The UK has done since electing Boris Johnson…what the actual fuck…
https://x.com/jonstewart/status/1795993805411229746
Suddenly it seems a lot more nuanced. That said, talk of suing seems misguided. Shaheen has a political problem that should be solved in the political sphere.2 -
Yes but if we still had hanging she would be on death row.megasaur said:
Hanged. Hung is what I am.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?
Looking at the shit NHS trusts hand out to NHS whistle blowers I am profoundly unhappy about this conviction on the basis of NHS generated evidence. And this is not because she is a pretty blonde, because she is neither.
Who would be happy with that?
I didn't follow the case particularly closely and don't question the conviction, but it would only take one miscarriage of justice.0 -
Looking at reports generally it's really how amateurishly unprepared the parties are for an election they all knew might be coming as early as May. A lot of candidate issues feel last minute and hasty all round, and much more so than usual.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine. Happy days.
Prediction: Goes Labour this time. If it does we will have a (junior - he looks about 12) Campbell Savours back in Cumbria.0 -
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Incoming in 30 mins.0 -
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I do too! So he has my sympathies on that.Foxy said:
Important not to smile too. He smirks inappropriately when under pressure.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786780 -
NY Times:
6 minutes ago
Maggie Haberman Reporting from inside the courthouse
Trump, who had been smiling a minute ago, is suddenly serious after the judge’s alert that there’s a verdict.1 -
he said, smirking...bondegezou said:.
I do too! So he has my sympathies on that.Foxy said:
Important not to smile too. He smirks inappropriately when under pressure.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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1h
Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786780 -
Film review
Just watched Civil War on my 75 incher (fnaar) and it is the best film of the century. Pulp Fiction, Private Ryan good.0 -
I don't see that as at all surprising. Those verdicts weren't just consequential for Letby but parents of babies who died. It's quite a big thing to say that someone's premature, potentially struggling baby, wasn't just unlucky but murdered. Had I been on the jury, and satisfied on some charges, I'd have been very reluctant to move quickly to guilty on ALL charges.algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.2 -
Technically, we have insufficient evidence to conclude anything has changed, but we can’t rule it out.Foxy said:
Everything we have seen in the last week has been MOE stuff.ThomasNashe said:
Failing some Donaldson-like revelations about SKS the polls just aren't going to shift are they?Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)
Nothing has changed.2 -
I heard he nearly succeeded - it was on a knife-edge.algarkirk said:
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..5 -
Verdict reached ...
But they need half an hour to fill out the jury form.0 -
I don't think it so much the sketch as the text on the tweet that created the trouble.DecrepiterJohnL said:
OK so googling the text from that video finds the tweet in question was from Jon Stewart of American television fame. Stewart is himself Jewish.ThomasNashe said:
Details here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c3ggv2jxz7goDecrepiterJohnL said:
What was this post Faiza Shaheen liked?ThomasNashe said:
It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The US late-night satirist Jon Stewart has responded after Britain’s Labour Party blocked left-wing academic Faiza Shaheen from standing as a candidate in the upcoming general election for liking a number of potentially offensive social media posts, one of which featured a clip from The Daily Show.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jon-stewart-faiza-shaheen-labour-b2553787.html
This is the dumbest thing The UK has done since electing Boris Johnson…what the actual fuck…
https://x.com/jonstewart/status/1795993805411229746
Suddenly it seems a lot more nuanced. That said, talk of suing seems misguided. Shaheen has a political problem that should be solved in the political sphere.
It seems far too harsh a punishment to me, but all parties should be vetting their candidates Social Media, to avoid problems after nominations close. That is the modern age, no matter how much we deplore it.
Expect a torrent of low rent exposes of candidates after June 7th. All parties will be scouring old tweets in the hunt for offence.2 -
megasaur said:
Film review
Just watched Civil War on my 75 incher (fnaar) and it is the best film of the century. Pulp Fiction, Private Ryan good.
Is it as quotable as Aliens, though?0 -
There was money to be made on the spread betsNeilVW said:
I heard he nearly succeeded - it was on a knife-edge.algarkirk said:
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..4 -
Looks as if our GE is about to be sidelined by the Trump verdict0
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NYT - Trump, who had been smiling a minute ago, is suddenly serious after the judge’s alert that there’s a verdict.1
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I have a tendency to inappropriate jokes at times that are liable to misinterpretation. One of many reasons for me to not run for office.bondegezou said:.
I do too! So he has my sympathies on that.Foxy said:
Important not to smile too. He smirks inappropriately when under pressure.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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1h
Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786781 -
Didn't do enough to butter up the electorate.....megasaur said:
There was money to be made on the spread betsNeilVW said:
I heard he nearly succeeded - it was on a knife-edge.algarkirk said:
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..1 -
I don’t support the death penalty (but would allow assisted suicide for whole life prisoners). In this case their is doubt, at least in the sense that the evidence used to convict has been questioned (statistical evidence can seem foolproof yet be anything but). C.F. to the murderer of Sarah Evans - Inthink there is no doubt at all that he is guilty.Foxy said:
Yes but if we still had hanging she would be on death row.megasaur said:
Hanged. Hung is what I am.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?
Looking at the shit NHS trusts hand out to NHS whistle blowers I am profoundly unhappy about this conviction on the basis of NHS generated evidence. And this is not because she is a pretty blonde, because she is neither.
Who would be happy with that?
I didn't follow the case particularly closely and don't question the conviction, but it would only take one miscarriage of justice.0 -
An early example of spread betting?NeilVW said:
I heard he nearly succeeded - it was on a knife-edge.algarkirk said:
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..3 -
A lot of charges to fill out "Guilty...."Nigelb said:Verdict reached ...
But they need half an hour to fill out the jury form.0 -
No, I think it will still go ahead...Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if our GE is about to be sidelined by the Trump verdict
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But Dune 2 good? Surely not...megasaur said:Film review
Just watched Civil War on my 75 incher (fnaar) and it is the best film of the century. Pulp Fiction, Private Ryan good.0 -
Trump is obviously nervous that's what they've decided judging from the change in his demeanour.MarqueeMark said:
A lot of charges to fill out "Guilty...."Nigelb said:Verdict reached ...
But they need half an hour to fill out the jury form.
But ultimate popcorn - he!s found not guilty and then jailed for contempt.1 -
Milwaukee Sentinel - Wisconsin banned selling yellow margarine for 72 years, so residents smuggled it in from Illinoisalgarkirk said:
Looking at reports generally it's really how amateurishly unprepared the parties are for an election they all knew might be coming as early as May. A lot of candidate issues feel last minute and hasty all round, and much more so than usual.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine. Happy days.
Prediction: Goes Labour this time. If it does we will have a (junior - he looks about 12) Campbell Savours back in Cumbria.
That margarine in your refrigerator? Until 52 years ago, it was against the law to buy it in Wisconsin.
In 1895, the state, to protect its dairy farmers, banned the manufacture and sale in the state of yellow oleomargarine. If you wanted to buy margarine in Wisconsin, you could only get it in unappetizing white. And, on top of that, you had to pay an extra tax on it for the privilege.
Wisconsin wasn't the only state to try to, um, cream margarine sales back then. But as the federal government began easing restrictions, other states began backing off, too
By the time Minnesota rescinded its ban on the sale of yellow margarine in 1963, Wisconsin was the last holdout.
As the barriers went down in neighboring states, Wisconsin consumers headed for the border to get the cheaper, appetizing-looking butter substitute. And thus began the golden age of the "oleo run."
In the 1950s and 1960s, heading over to Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa or even Michigan to pay less for margarine that looked like butter was a budgetary necessity for some, a pastime for others. Brewers Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob Uecker used to like to say he actually was born in Illinois, while his parents were there to pick up some oleo. . . .
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/08/28/protect-dairy-industry-wisconsin-tried-keep-yellow-margarine-out-oleo-run/1950671001/4 -
20/1 against not guilty sounds attractive given how little we know but I guess US punters will know more about their jury dynamics.Scott_xP said:Shadsy has the latest
https://x.com/shadsy/status/17962835155599036710 -
DONALD!!!!0
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Evans?turbotubbs said:
I don’t support the death penalty (but would allow assisted suicide for whole life prisoners). In this case their is doubt, at least in the sense that the evidence used to convict has been questioned (statistical evidence can seem foolproof yet be anything but). C.F. to the murderer of Sarah Evans - Inthink there is no doubt at all that he is guilty.Foxy said:
Yes but if we still had hanging she would be on death row.megasaur said:
Hanged. Hung is what I am.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?
Looking at the shit NHS trusts hand out to NHS whistle blowers I am profoundly unhappy about this conviction on the basis of NHS generated evidence. And this is not because she is a pretty blonde, because she is neither.
Who would be happy with that?
I didn't follow the case particularly closely and don't question the conviction, but it would only take one miscarriage of justice.0 -
Sorry, Everard.Carnyx said:
Evans?turbotubbs said:
I don’t support the death penalty (but would allow assisted suicide for whole life prisoners). In this case their is doubt, at least in the sense that the evidence used to convict has been questioned (statistical evidence can seem foolproof yet be anything but). C.F. to the murderer of Sarah Evans - Inthink there is no doubt at all that he is guilty.Foxy said:
Yes but if we still had hanging she would be on death row.megasaur said:
Hanged. Hung is what I am.Foxy said:
Do fans of capital punishment think she should have been hung?algarkirk said:
Back in the UK, Letby's jury took a month or so. Which I found surprising.kle4 said:
Some people seem to say if it is early then that is good for the prosecution, but there are counter examples (apparently the OJ verdict was quick), and juries have gone for weeks and returned guilty verdicts.Nigelb said:
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.
After all, serial killer and baby killer. What more do they want before the hanging?
Looking at the shit NHS trusts hand out to NHS whistle blowers I am profoundly unhappy about this conviction on the basis of NHS generated evidence. And this is not because she is a pretty blonde, because she is neither.
Who would be happy with that?
I didn't follow the case particularly closely and don't question the conviction, but it would only take one miscarriage of justice.1 -
Did he get smeared by the opposition?NeilVW said:
I heard he nearly succeeded - it was on a knife-edge.algarkirk said:
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..0 -
PB doesn't make us any wiser, but we are far better informed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Milwaukee Sentinel - Wisconsin banned selling yellow margarine for 72 years, so residents smuggled it in from Illinoisalgarkirk said:
Looking at reports generally it's really how amateurishly unprepared the parties are for an election they all knew might be coming as early as May. A lot of candidate issues feel last minute and hasty all round, and much more so than usual.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine. Happy days.
Prediction: Goes Labour this time. If it does we will have a (junior - he looks about 12) Campbell Savours back in Cumbria.
That margarine in your refrigerator? Until 52 years ago, it was against the law to buy it in Wisconsin.
In 1895, the state, to protect its dairy farmers, banned the manufacture and sale in the state of yellow oleomargarine. If you wanted to buy margarine in Wisconsin, you could only get it in unappetizing white. And, on top of that, you had to pay an extra tax on it for the privilege.
Wisconsin wasn't the only state to try to, um, cream margarine sales back then. But as the federal government began easing restrictions, other states began backing off, too
By the time Minnesota rescinded its ban on the sale of yellow margarine in 1963, Wisconsin was the last holdout.
As the barriers went down in neighboring states, Wisconsin consumers headed for the border to get the cheaper, appetizing-looking butter substitute. And thus began the golden age of the "oleo run."
In the 1950s and 1960s, heading over to Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa or even Michigan to pay less for margarine that looked like butter was a budgetary necessity for some, a pastime for others. Brewers Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob Uecker used to like to say he actually was born in Illinois, while his parents were there to pick up some oleo. . . .
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/08/28/protect-dairy-industry-wisconsin-tried-keep-yellow-margarine-out-oleo-run/1950671001/5 -
I'm not going to call it in till I know what to call it in as...Sunil_Prasannan said:megasaur said:Film review
Just watched Civil War on my 75 incher (fnaar) and it is the best film of the century. Pulp Fiction, Private Ryan good.
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Omg what a brilliant point. It’s like saying Look, all the lunar landings are filmed FROM ONE CAMERA!!!Farooq said:
So that's cases in Colorado, Texas, and Michigan.rottenborough said:A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.
“With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”
https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/
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Interesting to note, of course, that despite misgivings this jury *isn't* hung. In fact, it doesn't look as though that was ever a likely outcome given the timings.
That doesn't augur well for Trump in his other trials. It suggests they ignored the political blandishments either way. Which suggests also that the cult of Trump is overrated.
And while this is a marginal case, the ones in Washington, Florida and Georgia are slam dunks.0 -
Chuck it, Smithalgarkirk said:
PB doesn't make us any wiser, but we are far better informed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Milwaukee Sentinel - Wisconsin banned selling yellow margarine for 72 years, so residents smuggled it in from Illinoisalgarkirk said:
Looking at reports generally it's really how amateurishly unprepared the parties are for an election they all knew might be coming as early as May. A lot of candidate issues feel last minute and hasty all round, and much more so than usual.stodge said:Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
BTW I met a group of Labour canvassers in the new constituency of Penrith and Solway today, in an area traditionally very Tory. A sight never encountered before in the old Penrith and Border days, Willie Whitelaw and Rory's pocket borough, a seat where in the 1950s a bloke called Brownrigg (I think) stood, campaigning for the abolition of margarine. Happy days.
Prediction: Goes Labour this time. If it does we will have a (junior - he looks about 12) Campbell Savours back in Cumbria.
That margarine in your refrigerator? Until 52 years ago, it was against the law to buy it in Wisconsin.
In 1895, the state, to protect its dairy farmers, banned the manufacture and sale in the state of yellow oleomargarine. If you wanted to buy margarine in Wisconsin, you could only get it in unappetizing white. And, on top of that, you had to pay an extra tax on it for the privilege.
Wisconsin wasn't the only state to try to, um, cream margarine sales back then. But as the federal government began easing restrictions, other states began backing off, too
By the time Minnesota rescinded its ban on the sale of yellow margarine in 1963, Wisconsin was the last holdout.
As the barriers went down in neighboring states, Wisconsin consumers headed for the border to get the cheaper, appetizing-looking butter substitute. And thus began the golden age of the "oleo run."
In the 1950s and 1960s, heading over to Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa or even Michigan to pay less for margarine that looked like butter was a budgetary necessity for some, a pastime for others. Brewers Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob Uecker used to like to say he actually was born in Illinois, while his parents were there to pick up some oleo. . . .
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/08/28/protect-dairy-industry-wisconsin-tried-keep-yellow-margarine-out-oleo-run/1950671001/ 0 -
That is so funny and yes of courseNigelb said:
No, I think it will still go ahead...Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if our GE is about to be sidelined by the Trump verdict
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That's Bramley near Mortimer, in northern Hampshire, not far from Reading? Right in the heart of the Home Counties?rottenborough said:
They are so fucked.Scott_xP said:@nadinebh_
Not exactly the sort of stuff you want to have to be sharing during an election campaign when you're the chancellor of the governing party...
@Jeremy_Hunt
I have this afternoon been on a call with the UKHSA, DEFRA, Thames Water and Asda with Cllr Austin. Thames Water are implementing a drinking water stop notice across much of Bramley Village.
Please see the press release below. I have requested that bottled water stations are in Bramley itself - they are being set up now. I will keep you updated on this, Jeremy
This is how it ends, not with a bang but with a retch.0 -
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While we wait, a sign off text from the legendary Line Dudes:
https://x.com/TylerMcBrien/status/1796283734523519102
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Yep. 1% swingaway from current polls and they're on track to have 3 constituencies from Surrey, Bucks, Berks, and Oxfordshire, which is remarkable.Carnyx said:
That's Bramley near Mortimer, in northern Hampshire, not far from Reading? Right in the heart of the Home Counties?rottenborough said:
They are so fucked.Scott_xP said:@nadinebh_
Not exactly the sort of stuff you want to have to be sharing during an election campaign when you're the chancellor of the governing party...
@Jeremy_Hunt
I have this afternoon been on a call with the UKHSA, DEFRA, Thames Water and Asda with Cllr Austin. Thames Water are implementing a drinking water stop notice across much of Bramley Village.
Please see the press release below. I have requested that bottled water stations are in Bramley itself - they are being set up now. I will keep you updated on this, Jeremy
This is how it ends, not with a bang but with a retch.1 -
58% were 58 +, 60% were women. I suspect therefore a large percent were 58+ women. Would you be better therefore saying we should ban women from social media? I suspect if you do many would call you sexistdixiedean said:
Rather than banning smartphones and social media for the under 16's, we really ought to be looking at banning the over 60"s.Nigelb said:Tiny number of ‘supersharers’ spread the vast majority of fake news
https://www.science.org/content/article/tiny-number-supersharers-spread-vast-majority-fake-news
Did you see the article claiming Kamala Harris joked about killing Mike Pence and Donald Trump? Or the one about large numbers of Trump votes being secretly switched to Joe Biden? If stories like this, run by fake news sites such as Infowars or Gatewaypundit, popped up in your social media feed about the 2020 U.S. presidential election, they probably came from a tiny group of people with a massive impact.
A mere 2000 or so “supersharers” spread 80% of content from fake news sites in a sample of more than 600,000 U.S. voters on X (formerly Twitter), according to an analysis published today in Science. The posters were more likely to be women and older—challenging the stereotype of social media manipulators as young, alt-right men—and they had a huge reach: More than one in 20 users in the data set followed at least one of these supersharers...
quote from article "The average supersharer was 58 years old, 17 years older than the average user in the study, and almost 60% were women."0 -
NYT - The jury is filing in now.0
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Solemnly contemplating becoming America’s Aung San Suu Kyi.SeaShantyIrish2 said:NYT - Trump, who had been smiling a minute ago, is suddenly serious after the judge’s alert that there’s a verdict.
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He's planning a random genocide?williamglenn said:
Solemnly contemplating becoming America’s Aung San Suu Kyi.SeaShantyIrish2 said:NYT - Trump, who had been smiling a minute ago, is suddenly serious after the judge’s alert that there’s a verdict.
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Just as Labour are wobbling, too. I'm not convinced that Starmer's knifing of lefties is an entirely good thing, or that it will shift many votes in five weeks time (FIVE WEEKS! We'll have had the exit poll by now! Dumdiddy Dumbleby Dooh... Dah Dah Dah Dah etc), but it's the worst thing that's happened to him for a while.Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks as if our GE is about to be sidelined by the Trump verdict
That genie had better have some wishes left over for when SKSICIPM.0 -
Trump guilty on first count2
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TRUMP GUILTY!!!!!!
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Guilty1
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Guilty on 15 so far0
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Well they got Al Capone on tax evasion in the end, looks like they got Trump on payments to a porn star4
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GUILTY!
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NYT - Trump is guilty on first eight counts
Counts 9 through 11 are guilty.1 -
DO SOMETHING!!!!!0
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GUILTY
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