Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Fairly remarkable for a Chancellor to decide, while in office, that he won't run at the next election.
Not that surprising if his party is heading for opposition, his prospects of being next party leader are near zero and he has the chance to make more money in the private sector outside
I don't see why he remains in position now, if this is his attitude. There's no long term commitment to the British economy - no plan to return it to prosperity. The Chancellor should at least be pretending to be committed long term, whether it's likely that his party will remain in office or not. I can't remember similar circumstances in my lifetime.
He is committed to reducing the deficit and inflation and as he is not standing for re election does not need to worry about being popular (albeit the Tory manifesto may still propose tax cuts even if he won't)
Politicians wanting to do popular things so they get re-elected is a feature of democracy, not a bug. Hunt's plan to asphyxiate the economy under a record breaking tax burden whilst he continues to piss the money away on an unreformed state and then fuck off at the next election is unprecedented and despicable. He should stand down as Chancellor immediately.
As far as I’m concerned, the current chancellor needs to run in a GE because the governments economic policy is on the line in a campaign.
If Hunt is going to quit at the GE then he should have the good grace to quit as Chancellor.
He has issued a denial of sorts, but it's likely he'll get pressed on this in interviews, and if he does plan to step down 'at' the next election (as opposed to 'before' it) he'll be asked if he plans to fight the election, and then either need to commit to a brazen lie, or his 'clever' wording is going to look really bad.
Any authority he has as Chancellor is seriously called into question by this.
I'm wondering how many of the current cabinet with either
The 'X - formally known as twitter' line is getting almost as tedious as the content. Musk knows he has the media captive - he might as well call it 'shallowfry' and be done with it. "As of today you need to pay in twoodlecoin - 8 per character, unless it's a Thursday. Or my mothers birthday. Then it's foorteney twoodlecoins,"
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
'Emerson included a question of a hypothetical match-up between Biden and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the 2012 GOP presidential nominee who is not running for president and plans to retire from the Senate after his current term comes to an end. Biden led Romney among voters under 30 by a significant margin, 50 percent to 24 percent.
Emerson College Polling Executive Director Spencer Kimball noted in a release that this lead is more reflective of Biden’s margin of victory with these voters in the 2020 election.
The two youngest age groups were also the most likely to be undecided, with 12 percent saying they do not know who they would support between Trump and Biden.'
Though of course if Trump is convicted and jailed next year it is of little relevance anyway
If anyone wants something to cheer them up, I am currently on a cruise in the North Sea. We’ve bee dancing with Babet since Wednesday, which has been interesting.
We couldn’t get out of Southampton on day 1 (too rough) and couldn’t get into Hamburg yesterday (not enough water - it’s all been blown out of the Elbe apparently (!)).
On the plus side 90% of the passengers are American and I haven’t met one who confesses to being a Trump supporter yet.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
If anyone wants something to cheer them up, I am currently on a cruise in the North Sea. We’ve bee dancing with Babet since Wednesday, which has been interesting.
We couldn’t get out of Southampton on day 1 (too rough) and couldn’t get into Hamburg yesterday (not enough water - it’s all been blown out of the Elbe apparently (!)).
On the plus side 90% of the passengers are American and I haven’t met one who confesses to being a Trump supporter yet.
The concept of a 'Quiet Trump supporter' does feel rather incongruent.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Supreme Court *freezes* Louisiana district court ruling that would’ve barred a wide range of contacts between executive branch officials and social media companies.
If this is the one I think it is, it was an attempt to keep Biden and his officials (including iirc his media team and press officers etc) off social media, by a 2-bit Judge in nowheresville (sorry, Louisiana), and the saner conservative members of the Supreme Court have lined up with the liberals because they know that denying the the Executive Branch access to social media is absurd.
It is temporary, as indicated, and is in force whilst the Supreme Court considers it's verdict and makes a decision.
That's the TL:DR for the commentary I head on a liberal channel, so partisan but it sounds credible - watching the behaviour of the Florida Judge who keeps finding non-reasons to delay the Trump case she is presiding over.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
We do not have free speech. We do not have the right of protest
Yes you do. For example, you can be pretty offensive on here, and the powers that be only ban you occasionally, and briefly, before you charm your way back. PB: a bastion of free speech.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
Evidence free comment. A classic case of assuming ‘everyone must think like me,… surely?’
In fact “Differences by party and age emerge around views on “wokeness,” with Democrats and younger Americans more likely to see “wokeness” as a compliment than Republicans and older Americans, respectively.”
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
I don't think they should get any particular credit because they were not violent.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
He’s on record as saying he wants to lock up his political opponents which, unless you consider Putin’s Russia to be a democracy, is an effective way to end democracy.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
Oh, he has no intention of abolishing the elections. Dictators find elections useful, as they give a spurious legitimacy to the regime and prevent sanctions or legal punishment from other countries. The point is to appoint those who count the votes and control the results. Banning elections themselves is just too retro for words.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
Oh, he has no intention of abolishing the elections. Dictators find elections useful, as they give a spurious legitimacy to the regime and prevent sanctions or legal punishment from other countries. The point is to appoint those who count the votes and control the results. Banning elections themselves is just too retro for words.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
He’s on record as saying he wants to lock up his political opponents which, unless you consider Putin’s Russia to be a democracy, is an effective way to end democracy.
Though in 2016 he said he was going to "Lock Her Up" to Clinton, so take anything he says with a large pinch of salt.
Electing Trump will be quite a waypoint in American decline, but not catastrophic. Trump cares litte for the abroad, his enemies are internal.
Ukraine will suffer, but in the end they can hold the line themselves. They have fought Russia to a stalemate at best.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
Evidence free comment. A classic case of assuming ‘everyone must think like me,… surely?’
In fact “Differences by party and age emerge around views on “wokeness,” with Democrats and younger Americans more likely to see “wokeness” as a compliment than Republicans and older Americans, respectively.”
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
Oh, he has no intention of abolishing the elections. Dictators find elections useful, as they give a spurious legitimacy to the regime and prevent sanctions or legal punishment from other countries. The point is to appoint those who count the votes and control the results. Banning elections themselves is just too retro for words.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
We do not have free speech. We do not have the right of protest
Yeah, while all governments have been bad at this, the current Tory government has passed oppressive laws against free speech and peaceful protest.
They may well regret it when they want to protest themselves. "I didn't expect them to eat my face, says man who voted for the face eating leopards party".
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
Was in London today taking my son out for his birthday. Wandered down Whitehall, the rally stage was within spitting distance of number ten. It was remarkable how close it was. I came away feeling that we have something special in this country, which we would be foolish to take for granted.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Does Trump have plans to abolish elections if he wins again? I wasn't aware he did.
Oh, he has no intention of abolishing the elections. Dictators find elections useful, as they give a spurious legitimacy to the regime and prevent sanctions or legal punishment from other countries. The point is to appoint those who count the votes and control the results. Banning elections themselves is just too retro for words.
Was in London today taking my son out for his birthday. Wandered down Whitehall, the rally stage was within spitting distance of number ten. It was remarkable how close it was. I came away feeling that we have something special in this country, which we would be foolish to take for granted.
A disturbing number of PBers would have liked it banned. Some of whom have previously been quite passionate about free speech.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
Was in London today taking my son out for his birthday. Wandered down Whitehall, the rally stage was within spitting distance of number ten. It was remarkable how close it was. I came away feeling that we have something special in this country, which we would be foolish to take for granted.
We used to be more civilised, when anyone could walk up to the door of number 10 Downing Street, which was possible as recently as 1982.
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
I have flown to Catania, but jumped in a cab to Milazzo. The cabbie had Eng vs Sweden in Euro 2012 on! A 3-2 win
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
Was in London today taking my son out for his birthday. Wandered down Whitehall, the rally stage was within spitting distance of number ten. It was remarkable how close it was. I came away feeling that we have something special in this country, which we would be foolish to take for granted.
We used to be more civilised, when anyone could walk up to the door of number 10 Downing Street.
I think these days that's unsustainable. In past years getting to London (and specifically that bit) was expensive and not easy, and there were far fewer people. Nowadays (despite Sunak regenerating into Beeching II) an absolute stack of people can turn up and mobhand the place, plus - PB has no memory - the IRA or some variant tried to mortar the place within living memory. There are many things I can criticise the Government for but greater security is not one of them
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Well if your Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute imagine what it's like for the two million people who are living in Gaza. That must be unimaginable.
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
I have flown to Catania, but jumped in a cab to Milazzo. The cabbie had Eng vs Sweden in Euro 2012 on! A 3-2 win
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
Hang on, we can’t call the military of a nation state terrorists. That’s just bonkers. If the military of a nation state attacks you or your allies, you don’t pursue them as terrorists, you go to war against the country. The “terrorist” category exists for when that isn’t workable.
Was in London today taking my son out for his birthday. Wandered down Whitehall, the rally stage was within spitting distance of number ten. It was remarkable how close it was. I came away feeling that we have something special in this country, which we would be foolish to take for granted.
A disturbing number of PBers would have liked it banned. Some of whom have previously been quite passionate about free speech.
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
I have flown to Catania, but jumped in a cab to Milazzo. The cabbie had Eng vs Sweden in Euro 2012 on! A 3-2 win
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
Coxless pairs?
No I think isam defintely has a...oh, sorry. That's not what you meant. As you were (whistles embarrassedly)
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Well if your Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute imagine what it's like for the two million people who are living in Gaza. That must be unimaginable.
I do not advocate for violence against innocent civilians. I don't unequivocally support every action Israel takes. But nor am I prepared to be silent when I see people I thought were my friends advocating for the extermination of all Jews on social media, which I've seen, several times, this week.
Hamas waltzed into kibbutzes and slaughtered unarmed, defenceless people. They took hostages, they killed children. The situation in the middle east is complex and multifaceted, but in terms of some people I thought were friends, now baying for Jewish blood, I feel compelled to speak up. I can do no less. The Nazi war machine was enabled because ordinary, decent people did not speak up.
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
I have flown to Catania, but jumped in a cab to Milazzo. The cabbie had Eng vs Sweden in Euro 2012 on! A 3-2 win
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Well if your Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute imagine what it's like for the two million people who are living in Gaza. That must be unimaginable.
Why have you changed the subject? We're talking about Jewish people in London.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Well if your Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute imagine what it's like for the two million people who are living in Gaza. That must be unimaginable.
I do not advocate for violence against innocent civilians. I don't unequivocally support every action Israel takes. But nor am I prepared to be silent when I see people I thought were my friends advocating for the extermination of all Jews on social media, which I've seen, several times, this week.
Hamas waltzed into kibbutzes and slaughtered unarmed, defenceless people. They took hostages, they killed children. The situation in the middle east is complex and multifaceted, but in terms of some people I thought were friends, now baying for Jewish blood, I feel compelled to speak up. I can do no less. The Nazi war machine was enabled because ordinary, decent people did not speak up.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
Hmm. But I could suggest it's the other way too. That some people side completely and unequivocally with Israel because they view them as people like us, and people like us, white people, are superior to those backward arabs. This doesn't have a fancy name like critical race theory. It's just called racism.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
Hmm. But I could suggest it's the other way too. That some people side completely and unequivocally with Israel because they view them as people like us, and people like us, white people, are superior to those backward arabs. This doesn't have a fancy name like critical race theory. It's just called racism.
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
Hunt has already been selected for one of the new Surrey seats (I think the one based around Godalming), which has a notional majority of about 7,500 over the LibDems. He is also regarded as a solid constituency MP....but he would face a tough fight.
I think the prospect of losing to smug jeering LDs as he is humiliated on stage as he loses the seat is too much for him to risk, even losing to Labour is better than losing to the LDs for most Tories.
Fairly remarkable for a Chancellor to decide, while in office, that he won't run at the next election.
Not that surprising if his party is heading for opposition, his prospects of being next party leader are near zero and he has the chance to make more money in the private sector outside
I don't see why he remains in position now, if this is his attitude. There's no long term commitment to the British economy - no plan to return it to prosperity. The Chancellor should at least be pretending to be committed long term, whether it's likely that his party will remain in office or not. I can't remember similar circumstances in my lifetime.
He is committed to reducing the deficit and inflation and as he is not standing for re election does not need to worry about being popular (albeit the Tory manifesto may still propose tax cuts even if he won't)
Politicians wanting to do popular things so they get re-elected is a feature of democracy, not a bug. Hunt's plan to asphyxiate the economy under a record breaking tax burden whilst he continues to piss the money away on an unreformed state and then fuck off at the next election is unprecedented and despicable. He should stand down as Chancellor immediately.
As far as I’m concerned, the current chancellor needs to run in a GE because the governments economic policy is on the line in a campaign.
If Hunt is going to quit at the GE then he should have the good grace to quit as Chancellor.
He has issued a denial of sorts, but it's likely he'll get pressed on this in interviews, and if he does plan to step down 'at' the next election (as opposed to 'before' it) he'll be asked if he plans to fight the election, and then either need to commit to a brazen lie, or his 'clever' wording is going to look really bad.
Any authority he has as Chancellor is seriously called into question by this.
I'm wondering how many of the current cabinet with either
a - Quit. or b - Lose their seat.
It has been suggested some Conservatives have been reluctant to serve in order to start the Acoba timer on taking new jobs, although as Boris (who else?) showed, Acoba is a paper tiger. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66028657
Hang on, we can’t call the military of a nation state terrorists. That’s just bonkers. If the military of a nation state attacks you or your allies, you don’t pursue them as terrorists, you go to war against the country. The “terrorist” category exists for when that isn’t workable.
The proscription or otherwise of the IRGC has been going on for ages. Broadly speaking, the Home Secretary is for, and the Foreign Secretary against, proscription. Sfaict it's academic anyway since the IRGC is sanctioned, but IANADiplomat.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
Well if your Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute imagine what it's like for the two million people who are living in Gaza. That must be unimaginable.
Why have you changed the subject? We're talking about Jewish people in London.
My Jewish friends in London do not wear yarmulkes. Most Jews are not ultra-orthodox.
The big problem in this country is, as previously suggested, that Israel flattening and blockading Gaza risks turning the public mood.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Along with the refusal of Harvard to immediately condemn the attacks, etc, as mentioned downthread.
CRT is a toxic ideology that sees "white" as bad and others as good, and I believe it's a direct contributing factor to some people's unconditional support of Hamas in the west. That is a theory, conjecture - not backed by peer reviewed study. It is my opinion. You are welcome to disagree with it.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Along with the refusal of Harvard to immediately condemn the attacks, etc, as mentioned downthread.
CRT is a toxic ideology that sees "white" as bad and others as good, and I believe it's a direct contributing factor to some people's unconditional support of Hamas in the west. That is a theory, conjecture - not backed by peer reviewed study. It is my opinion. You are welcome to disagree with it.
More than that: CRT is itself deeply racist and, it could be argued, anti-Semitic in itself.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Along with the refusal of Harvard to immediately condemn the attacks, etc, as mentioned downthread.
CRT is a toxic ideology that sees "white" as bad and others as good, and I believe it's a direct contributing factor to some people's unconditional support of Hamas in the west. That is a theory, conjecture - not backed by peer reviewed study. It is my opinion. You are welcome to disagree with it.
It is not a question of agreeing or disagreeing. CRT is irrelevant to this new situation. Hamas slaughtering babies is independent of CRT. Israel flattening Gaza in response is also unrelated to CRT. The reactions of various groups on either side, likely whipped up by extremist agitators, have nothing to do with CRT.
The second poll in this thread to suggest that too many young Americans don’t place much value on the peace and rights and freedoms that previous generations fought for?
Catania is also really NOISY as well as filthy and dangerous and full of beautiful girls eating pizza at midnight
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
Sounds like The White Lotus. You could fancy yourself as the character played by Christopher from The Sopranos
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
I have flown to Catania, but jumped in a cab to Milazzo. The cabbie had Eng vs Sweden in Euro 2012 on! A 3-2 win
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
Young americans who want to destroy their future as free citizens in a democratic country.
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
This isn't too difficult to understand. People want a change from the 'woke' stuff.
But what 'stuff' of any value whatsoever do they think Donald Trump will provide? That's the baffling part. And it truly is.
He will defend white people. That is the perception
They feel all threatened, do they, white people in America?
Seeing as you never travel beyond fucking Dungeness because you’re too scared, what the fuck would you know?
That's why I'm asking the expert. What's the distressing problem these white people in America have on account of being white? It sounds like a big story.
A lot of it is perception
I rather suspect so.
Doesn’t mean you can ignore it
Or should pander to it.
The fundamental problem in most western countries is a disconnect between the ruling clique and many people.
For example, in the US they look at stats that, for example, show African Americans are economically worse off. So they put in programmes to assist. That’s good.
But then they ignore that proportion of white working class individuals who are also struggling. They do nothing to help. May be it’s too expensive (too many recipients) or too geographically disperse (too many stakeholders). Or may be they regard them as “undeserving poor” because they don’t have any visible points of difference (principally colour). They mock them as “trailer trash” and “rednecks” - they laugh at their culture and religion (“clinging to guns and bibles”) and regard them as “deplorables”
Can you understand why these voters might decide to support someone else?
On Israel-Palestine I think we’re in that tense waiting time and people will make up their minds once Israel’s actual intentions towards Gaza are clear.
They’ve not yet invaded. I don’t expect them to “flatten Gaza”, I think they will do a Golan heights (or perhaps more accurately a British army in Belfast during the troubles) and occupy a buffer zone, pushing out Hamas and rocket launching opportunities further South but not attempting to displace the population.
Not exactly peace and love, but understandable given the pogrom 2 weeks ago.
I may be wrong: if I am, then my views on the situation will change, as will many others.
Don’t forget the noisy protesters are noisy because they’re protesting, not because they represent majority opinion here.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Hamas is another bad thing, irrespective of CRT.
I see that Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian suggests Netanyahu actively wanted Hamas control of Gaza because his strategy was to ensure the Palestinian voice was divided (with Fatah controlling the West Bank) so that no progress could ever be made toward two-state.
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Hamas is another bad thing, irrespective of CRT.
I see that Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian suggests Netanyahu actively wanted Hamas control of Gaza because his strategy was to ensure the Palestinian voice was divided (with Fatah controlling the West Bank) so that no progress could ever be made toward two-state.
That’s been alleged by Netanyahu’s opponents for years
It strikes me that the pro-Palestinian (not pro-Hamas) marches today, including a very large one in London, have been peaceful, with only a handful of arrests. I know it's a difficult situation, and controversial, but why can't we be more proud of the fact that we still allow free speech, and the right to protest, in our country?
Perhaps because the protestors were openly calling for “jihad! Jihad! Jihad!” and the eradication of Israel, and the coppers did fuck all, yet if you put a piece of bacon on a mosque doorknob you get a year in jail? Perhaps that?
Ah yes. That's the way.
The double standards, in the press, in social media, etc, have been very revealing.
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
I don't think critical race theory has much to do with all this. Israel Gaza is a heated situation and there are people here in this country getting overwrought and hyperbolic and sometimes hateful. I can't stand prejudice against jews. I can't stand people talking about Palestinians as if they're expendable inferior beings. I'm seeing both those things I'm afraid.
I entirely agree with you, apart from your first sentence. I think a lot of people have taken the position that Jews are bad and Hamas are on the side of the angels, because Jews are white, and Palestinians are not. One only needs to spend five minutes on BLM twitter to see that. Critical Race Theory and Anti-Semitism are arm in arm, here.
I do not think that is right. For a start, Palestinians and Israelis are not two different races. It is more that some see Palestinians as oppressed or robbed of their homeland. If your CRT-based explanation were correct, the same sympathy for Palestinians would extend to Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Saudis and so on, but it does not.
The refusal of prominent US universities to condemn acts of terror (or doing it only latterly, after many large donors have pulled out in disgust) says otherwise. To borrow from Baddiel, Jews don't count. CRT is a disease, and I do believe it's partially responsible for the anti-semitism we see getting a free pass today.
I too have Baddiel's book. Antisemitism is on the rise but CRT is an irrelevance.
I respectfully disagree. The failure of many institutions to immediately condemn Hamas' terrorist atrocity is directly related to to the CRT theory that only "people of colour" can be oppressed, and anyone who is "white" is automatically an oppressor. Which ignores a thousand years or more of Jewish oppression at the hands of "real" whites.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
Back in the real world, do you not see that Israel flattening Gaza might be seen in a similar light? If you were a foreign agent charged with stirring up anti-Hamas or anti-Israeli feeling in the West, would you not start by shroud-waving? There is evidence that Hamas committed its outrages and slaughtered babies in order to provoke this reaction from Israel. Of course Israelis are righteously outraged, and we in the West along with them, but Israel's reaction has killed many innocents in Gaza, and this is being exploited to drive the anti-Israeli protests we have seen in Britain and elsewhere. It's not CRT which was around long before the 7th October.
I do not believe that flattening Gaza is proportionate response to the terrorist attacks of two weeks ago. Then again, I don't know people who were murdered int those attacks, but I have friends whose relatives were. One hopes that cooler heads will prevail, but Hamas are currently holding hundreds of Jewish hostages, and treat their own civilians as little more than human shields. If the worst happens, it is a tragedy. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind and all that, but I might think differently if I'd lost people in a horrific terrorist attack.
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
Israel is supported in the West. The Royal Navy and, at a far greater scale, the United States Navy have moved to support Israel. They are far more significant than a few thousand protestors exploited by extremists, and a rogue tube driver.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
Supported by Western governments, but YouGov polling suggests rather differently in terms of western populations.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Hamas is another bad thing, irrespective of CRT.
I see that Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian suggests Netanyahu actively wanted Hamas control of Gaza because his strategy was to ensure the Palestinian voice was divided (with Fatah controlling the West Bank) so that no progress could ever be made toward two-state.
That’s been alleged by Netanyahu’s opponents for years
Freedland says: In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
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Oddly enough being intent on imposing 'western values' on foreign countries while being tolerant of non western values being propagated in the West.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_propagation_of_Salafism_and_Wahhabism_by_region#Western_Europe
Just f*cking incredible.
"Pollsters found Trump performing better than Biden among the youngest voters, leading the incumbent among 18-to-29-year-olds by about 2 points, 45.2 percent to 42.9 percent. The former president also leads among 30-to-39-year-olds by about 11 points, 49.6 percent to 38.5 percent."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4265622-trump-leads-biden-builds-support-among-young-voters-poll/
a - Quit.
or
b - Lose their seat.
Emerson College Polling Executive Director Spencer Kimball noted in a release that this lead is more reflective of Biden’s margin of victory with these voters in the 2020 election.
The two youngest age groups were also the most likely to be undecided, with 12 percent saying they do not know who they would support between Trump and Biden.'
Though of course if Trump is convicted and jailed next year it is of little relevance anyway
We couldn’t get out of Southampton on day 1 (too rough) and couldn’t get into Hamburg yesterday (not enough water - it’s all been blown out of the Elbe apparently (!)).
On the plus side 90% of the passengers are American and I haven’t met one who confesses to being a Trump supporter yet.
I’m in an 18th century palazzo in the middle. Superb
It is temporary, as indicated, and is in force whilst the Supreme Court considers it's verdict and makes a decision.
That's the TL:DR for the commentary I head on a liberal channel, so partisan but it sounds credible - watching the behaviour of the Florida Judge who keeps finding non-reasons to delay the Trump case she is presiding over.
In fact “Differences by party and age emerge around views on “wokeness,” with Democrats and younger Americans more likely to see “wokeness” as a compliment than Republicans and older Americans, respectively.”
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-divided-whether-woke-compliment-or-insult
Pretending this isn't happening is a profound mistake.
Europe needs to prepare.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/how-to-rig-an-election/nic-cheeseman/brian-klaas/9780300246650
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-to-rig-an-election/
Electing Trump will be quite a waypoint in American decline, but not catastrophic. Trump cares litte for the abroad, his enemies are internal.
Ukraine will suffer, but in the end they can hold the line themselves. They have fought Russia to a stalemate at best.
They may well regret it when they want to protest themselves. "I didn't expect them to eat my face, says man who voted for the face eating leopards party".
It’s infinitely better than Taormina. Its sketchy and strewn with garbage and covered with graffiti and full of old men with string vests shouting across tiny laundry-hung alleys at hot girls in denim mini skirts with boyfriends who look like models for the ignudi on the Sistine ceiling
And I am sleeping under an authentic priceless 18th century plaster ceiling and it’s costing me €70 a night rather than €700 in Taormina
Please don’t quote this comment when I go out tomorrow night and get murdered by muggers
But certainly well on the back foot.
Either we defend it or it is lost.
Defending it is going to cost us a very great deal.
I have a feeling we are no longer in Kansas.
“Inside Europe’s most dangerous city plagued by carjackings, drug cartels and the mafia”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1792458/Carjackings-drug-cartels-mafia-Europe-most-dangerous-city
"Jonathan Sumption: War, lockdowns and lessons from the past"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDOp8PMb_I
Hmm. It really is quite mafia-y
State department's call to proscribe Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps comes amid growing suggestions Tehran was complicit in Israel attack" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/21/us-rishi-sunak-ban-iran-islamic-revolutionary-guard-terror/
Baddiel had a point with "Jews don't count".
What it all comes down to is critical race theory. Jews are white, Palestinians are funny coloured, therefore Jews are automatically the oppressors. Never mind that Hamas have promised to wipe them off the face of the earth, nor that most of the middle east are taught that if the holocaust never happened, then it should have.
My Jewish friends in London are terrified at the minute. Taking their children out of school, avoiding eating in kosher restaurants, hiding their Star of David or taking off their yarmulkes.
As I have seen from numerous social media posts by my "friends" the last couple of weeks, the line between disliking Israel's actions in Palestine and calling for the extermination of all Jews is a very fine line indeed, one that several people I've known for decades and thought were sound have well and truly crossed.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/30th-anniversary-of-the-10-downing-street-gates-32891/
The next day, my gf and I got a boat to the Aeolian Islands, for a terrible holiday on which we rowed almost constantly
Hamas waltzed into kibbutzes and slaughtered unarmed, defenceless people. They took hostages, they killed children. The situation in the middle east is complex and multifaceted, but in terms of some people I thought were friends, now baying for Jewish blood, I feel compelled to speak up. I can do no less. The Nazi war machine was enabled because ordinary, decent people did not speak up.
Biden is spot on here: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1712229613936460083
Never again.
But I think the scales are falling from the eyes of his voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66028657
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/HHP_Oct23_KeyResults.pdf
The big problem in this country is, as previously suggested, that Israel flattening and blockading Gaza risks turning the public mood.
I do understand that mine is an opinion, or theory at best, and not gospel truth. But the evidence I present is how quickly the dividing lines have sprung up, with supporters of CRT almost universally treating Jews as oppressors. When any idiot can pick up a history book and see that the history of Jewish people has been one of oppression, often leading to outright murder.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/business/harvard-upenn-hamas-israel-students-donors.html
As Williamglenn points out downthread, the attitudes of the very young should be seen as alarming here, in what should be a more nuanced debate. As a Jewish friend of mine said earlier this week, they are committed the 100% destruction of our people - it's in Hamas's charter. How do you meet that "half way"?
To quote Hamas directly, "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
It's an interesting starting point for negotiations...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67170625
The lack of support for Israel in the west, plus the uncritical support for Hamas, I do believe is a direct consequence of CRT.
CRT may be a bad thing, but that does not mean it is related to every other bad thing.
There is a solution here: Hamas hand over all the hostages, and preferably all those involved in the attacks, to face trial. I think that would avoid further bloodshed. I think any invasion of Gaza is likely to involve many more Jewish casualties, as well as the death of innocent Palestinian civilians.
But that's not on the menu, because Hamas are a terrorist organisation no different than ISIS et al. Their stated aim is the genocide of the Jewish people. They started this, with what can only be called an unprecedented terrorist attack. If Israel choose to end it in the most bloody way possible, I won't support that, but I won't condemn them either, nor does it excuse the anti-semitic attitudes that have been allowed to run free because we live in a liberal democracy.
I do not advocate murder or violence. I certainly don't advocate genocide. Hamas do.
Along with the refusal of Harvard to immediately condemn the attacks, etc, as mentioned downthread.
CRT is a toxic ideology that sees "white" as bad and others as good, and I believe it's a direct contributing factor to some people's unconditional support of Hamas in the west. That is a theory, conjecture - not backed by peer reviewed study. It is my opinion. You are welcome to disagree with it.
As, apparently, are some 70 year olds.
For example, in the US they look at stats that, for example, show African Americans are economically worse off. So they put in programmes to assist. That’s good.
But then they ignore that proportion of white working class individuals who are also struggling. They do nothing to help. May be it’s too expensive (too many recipients) or too geographically disperse (too many stakeholders). Or may be they regard them as “undeserving poor” because they don’t have any visible points of difference (principally colour). They mock them as “trailer trash” and “rednecks” - they laugh at their culture and religion (“clinging to guns and bibles”) and regard them as “deplorables”
Can you understand why these voters might decide to support someone else?
The West is not dead in the Caucasus.
On Israel-Palestine I think we’re in that tense waiting time and people will make up their minds once Israel’s actual intentions towards Gaza are clear.
They’ve not yet invaded. I don’t expect them to “flatten Gaza”, I think they will do a Golan heights (or perhaps more accurately a British army in Belfast during the troubles) and occupy a buffer zone, pushing out Hamas and rocket launching opportunities further South but not attempting to displace the population.
Not exactly peace and love, but understandable given the pogrom 2 weeks ago.
I may be wrong: if I am, then my views on the situation will change, as will many others.
Don’t forget the noisy protesters are noisy because they’re protesting, not because they represent majority opinion here.
This thread is standing down at the next election
Tier 1: Putin, Khamenei, Kim Yong Un, Taliban, Hamas leadership, coup leaders in various Sahel countries
Tier 2: Xi, Kagame, Myanmar junta, Lukashenko, MBS, Maduro
Tier 3: Bibi, Erdogan, Modi, Orban, Trump
Tier 4: all the various semi-populist somewhat corrupt but not so dangerous leaders around the world (I’d have put Johnson here if he were still PM)
Tier 5: normal democratic politicians including ones we like or don’t like, from Truss to Rishi to Starmer to Macron to Biden.