Do the Tories know what they are getting with Truss? – politicalbetting.com

Gardenwalker said:

Big clap for some hate-ridden hag who wants to deal with “the dinghies”.

Do you mean the Home Secretary?

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BREAKING:

Rishi Sunak says he would support the return of grammar schools

'I believe in educational excellence, I believe education is the most powerful way that we can transform people's lives'

That's sounds like a *major* commitment - but he doesn't expand on it

https://twitter.com/adrianmcmenamin/status/1552733873108312064

Translation: Rishi Sunak wants to make 3/4 of schools Secondary Moderns

It’ll be Fox Hunting next

But not greyhound racing, maybe!

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

She’s wearing the necklace AGAIN

It is impossible she doesn’t know by now. So we can only conclude she knows and she’s cool with it and she doesn’t care. She’s at ease. Good for her

She can't really not wear it now. I suspect it will be retired quietly after the campaign.

In a way, being kinky is somewhat in the tradition of senior Tories. I am faintly bemused as to why one would express it in jewellery whilst running for high office though.

I have no idea if this applies to Truss, but some subs get a kick out of discreetly exhibiting their ‘owned’ status to the vanilla world, which largely remains clueless. Yet other kinksters will recognize it

This is a plot device in Story of O, if I recall correctly - a foundational text of BDSM

Everything she does is just a bit dopey and unsubtle isn't it? I suppose we should be grateful she didn't rock up in head to toe PVC.

However, if she turns out to be a good PM, I'm fine with it.

She may of course be doing it for a bet, or for a laugh, who knows

I'm just explaining the sub psychology as I have encountered it

I don't find either of those options particularly comforting. It'd be nicer if she picked it up in a junk shop in Polperro and thought 'Oh, what a pretty circle of life pendant'.

Cyclefree said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Set an alarm for your lunch hour tomorrow: the result of the Wagatha Christie trial is expected at noon.

Shall we do a sweepstake on the value of Jamie Vardy’s legal bill?

What a complete waste of the judge's time!

I am absolutely hate myself for how interested I am in this trial.

A friend of mine is convinced that this will be a victory for Vardy, if not financially, given the the original ruling.

https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/judgments/high-court-rules-in-favour-of-rebekah-vardy-in-libel-preliminary-issue-trial/

Theuniondivvie said:

MPartridge said:

Sunak reminds me so much of Blair

Except for Blair’s (inexplicable to me) ability to charm the birds from the trees.

He has some touches of Blair's mannerisms and ways of speaking but not in the same class frankly.

But part of the Blair phenomenon was that he arrived, fresh-faced, at the end of years and years of Tory rule and a nation's broken and lonely eyes turned to him.

Watching the show from Birmingham - apart from Dr Johnson the Hut going well so far - just had Malala welcoming remarks

CarlottaVance said:

Watching the show from Birmingham - apart from Dr Johnson the Hut going well so far - just had Malala welcoming remarks

Not entirely sure what the whole Dr J as Jaba the Hutt was about...

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

MPartridge said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MPartridge said:

I honestly feeling like i am tripping on acid watching this Commonwealth games opening ceremony

And the UK is Balkanised into England, Scotland, Wales and NI!

Don't forget Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Man

Strictly speaking, they are not officially administered as part of the UK!

Cyclefree said:

In more important news, remember the WhatsApp group Wayne Couzens belonged to? 3 more Met officers from the same group are currently on trial in relation to some really disturbing messages they posted.

What is also interesting is that, like Couzens, they too came from the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and had not been in the Met a long time. This does suggest something a bit iffy about the CNC as well as the Met.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about having such people guarding our nuclear facilities frankly.

Toxic waste in more ways than one.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MPartridge said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MPartridge said:

I honestly feeling like i am tripping on acid watching this Commonwealth games opening ceremony

And the UK is Balkanised into England, Scotland, Wales and NI!

Don't forget Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Man

Strictly speaking, they are not officially administered as part of the UK!

I know it's a very basic way of looking at it, but how come they are not members of FIFA for example?

rottenborough said:

stodge said:

turbotubbs said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

So these Commonwealth Games, they're just like the proper Olympics, but without the top nations such as the US, China, Russia, etc.?

In some sports this is as good as it gets. In others it’s a chance for someone else to win gold. And it’s all about friendship. It’s magnificent.

I believe there are some sports in the Commonwealth Games which don't feature in the Olympics. Isn't there a bowls tournament for example and what about freestyle tea-making?

In Brum, surely it is Balti making?

Balti Towers, starring embittered hotel landlord Fazil Balti.

Cyclefree said:

In more important news, remember the WhatsApp group Wayne Couzens belonged to? 3 more Met officers from the same group are currently on trial in relation to some really disturbing messages they posted.

What is also interesting is that, like Couzens, they too came from the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and had not been in the Met a long time. This does suggest something a bit iffy about the CNC as well as the Met.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about having such people guarding our nuclear facilities frankly.

That must be the most boring police job in the UK. Maybe why? (Edit: explanation, not excuse)

I know an armed cop in Edinburgh and he goes slightly mad every time the Queen comes up.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Set an alarm for your lunch hour tomorrow: the result of the Wagatha Christie trial is expected at noon.

Shall we do a sweepstake on the value of Jamie Vardy’s legal bill?

What a complete waste of the judge's time!

I am absolutely hate myself for how interested I am in this trial.

A friend of mine is convinced that this will be a victory for Vardy, if not financially, given the the original ruling.

https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/judgments/high-court-rules-in-favour-of-rebekah-vardy-in-libel-preliminary-issue-trial/

What would the worst outcome be? A verdict for Vardy but with damages at £10?

Yup, it would be the epitome of a Pyrrhic victory.

God I'm tired, I originally typed phallus victory.

. . . meanwhile back at the ranch . . .

Washington State "Top Two" Primary is August 2. That is, deadline for returned OR post-marked ballots is 8pm Aug 2; valid ballots can & will arrive later, and be counted up to certification which is (I think) ten days later.

For the two Republican incumbents mentioned below, Jaime Herrera Beutler (CD03) and Dan Newhouse (CD04) their immediate priority is ensuring they are one of the Top Two votegetters in the August Primary.

Seattle Times ($) - Blitz of PAC money aims to defeat Trump-backed challengers to Herrera Beutler, Newhouse

A deluge of outside PAC money is saturating two of Washington’s top congressional primaries, aimed at helping Republican Reps. Jaime Herrera Beutler and Dan Newhouse survive their votes to impeach then-President Donald Trump last year.

More than $3.4 million — fueled in part by hidden donors — has been spent in the past few weeks backing the incumbents and targeting their Trump-endorsed challengers, Joe Kent and Loren Culp, according to Federal Election Commission filings. . . .

Both Kent, who is challenging Herrera Beutler, and Culp, who is challenging Newhouse, have echoed Trump’s false claims about his 2020 election loss and reject the ongoing congressional investigation into the Jan. 6 attack as illegitimate.

In Southwest Washington’s 3rd Congressional District, where Herrera Beutler faces Kent and other challengers, $1.9 million in outside spending has boosted her chances in recent weeks — including a pop-up super PAC that timed its spending to avoid disclosing its donors until weeks after the Aug. 2 primary.

The super PAC, Conservatives for a Stronger America, was created just a few weeks ago. As of Wednesday, it had unloaded $1.4 million on TV, radio and mailers, attacking Kent and ostensibly supporting Heidi St. John, a Republican who has polled fourth in the race.

The messaging in the group’s ads appear designed to siphon support from Kent and ensure Herrera Beutler makes it through the top-two primary. Its ads have echoed St. John’s efforts to sour conservatives on Kent by branding him a leftist, “Portland Joe the Bernie bro.” (Kent has acknowledged voting for Bernie Sanders in Oregon’s 2016 presidential primary, as part of what he said was a Rush Limbaugh-inspired plan to wreak havoc on Democrats.)

A similar dynamic is at play in the 4th District, which covers Central Washington, where Newhouse faces several Republican challengers and a single Democrat in the primary. . . .

As of Wednesday, spending groups had dropped about $1.5 million into the primary, attacking Culp and supporting Newhouse — a particularly hefty sum in the largely rural congressional district.

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

Big clap when young lady mentions lazy people sitting on their bums on benefits.

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

You shouldn't put that in your brain.

Sunak did well there.
Didn’t lose his rag when he was accused of stabbing Boris in the back.

Gardenwalker said:

IshmaelZ said:

God, that question about restriction of benefits to my mum...

“My mum needed benefits, however all the rest should be set on fire. Will you as PM light the pyre?”

Oh here we go, it’s Last of the Summer Wine again.

That’s not what she said at all.

Some people seem incapable of understanding true working class Tory attitudes.

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

IshmaelZ said:

God, that question about restriction of benefits to my mum...

“My mum needed benefits, however all the rest should be set on fire. Will you as PM light the pyre?”

Oh here we go, it’s Last of the Summer Wine again.

That’s not what she said at all.

Some people seem incapable of understanding true working class Tory attitudes.

I know it very well.
I grew up among similar circs and attitudes.

Oh dear. Liz doubles down on Boris love.
I guess she knows the audience, but it’s sickening.

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

Just met an old friend in primrose hill. On conditions of extreme secrecy… HE TOLD ME THE FINLAND RUMOUR


😶😶😶😶


So: it exists. This doesn’t mean it is true, of course

No he didn't because if he did you could tell us the Finnish search terms to use, without betraying your friend's confidence.

I have heard it (I said before that I’d heard it but that was me being a troll (and also slightly jealous of those who HAD heard it))(Jesus what am I, a 16 year old girl??)

Anyway you can believe me or not. THE FINLAND RUMOUR EXISTS

I’ll say it again, this does not mean it is true, nor, even if it is true, if it would overturn Bulgarian and global politics, indeed the speeding space race, as alleged

Not to mention ‘ …the giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the world is not yet prepared ‘.

It's a three pipe problem.

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

IshmaelZ said:

God, that question about restriction of benefits to my mum...

“My mum needed benefits, however all the rest should be set on fire. Will you as PM light the pyre?”

Oh here we go, it’s Last of the Summer Wine again.

That’s not what she said at all.

Some people seem incapable of understanding true working class Tory attitudes.

My Granddad was one. Before I even went to school he had me watering down the vinegar at his chip shop.

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

Why I don't do Twitter.
I don't need nor want to see owt like that.

On the other hand, I've just spent a pleasant hour on twitter reading about new science on milk-drinking, chatting to art critics, getting the latest news on cycling infrastructure in my area, and joking around with a couple of sled dog mushers and looking at sled dog pics. It is what you make it.

Gardenwalker said:

Sunak did well there.
Didn’t lose his rag when he was accused of stabbing Boris in the back.

That's two-ways backwards: it was Boris who stabbed Rishi in the back; then Rishi stabbed Boris in the front.

Eabhal said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big clap when young lady mentions lazy people sitting on their bums on benefits.

Cyclefree said:

Eabhal said:

Cyclefree said:

In more important news, remember the WhatsApp group Wayne Couzens belonged to? 3 more Met officers from the same group are currently on trial in relation to some really disturbing messages they posted.

What is also interesting is that, like Couzens, they too came from the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and had not been in the Met a long time. This does suggest something a bit iffy about the CNC as well as the Met.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about having such people guarding our nuclear facilities frankly.

That must be the most boring police job in the UK. Maybe why? (Edit: explanation, not excuse)

I know an armed cop in Edinburgh and he goes slightly mad every time the Queen comes up.

Being a bit bored seems a poor explanation for the sorts of things being aired during this trial.

What sort of due diligence was being done on these men? What sort of monitoring of what they were up to? None it would seem. Which is more than a touch alarming.

The problem is not just what they were saying and doing but that it risked making them a blackmail risk. And that is definitely a risk you do not want to run in a nuclear facility. People who work in such places have to be positively vetted. Or so I understand.

Your last para is a very good point.

My thinking was a very small, immobile team, geographically and structurally isolated from normal policing, with nothing to do, might have a larger risk of a toxic culture festering and infecting the whole lot.

This is based on the idea that the Police aren't, in general, that bad. But...

Bizarrely, this happened to Marine Scotland in Thurso. They tied some poor woman to an office chair.

This is over.

Sunak should cut a deal.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Drunk again x

Hi Horse

I hope you won't take it amiss if I say I'm getting a bit worried, for your sake, at how much you're drinking. From bitter personal experience alcoholism is not a good thing, but if you keep imbibing like this that's where you're headed.

Maybe see if you can moderate it a bit?

Benpointer said:

dixiedean said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

IshmaelZ said:

God, that question about restriction of benefits to my mum...

“My mum needed benefits, however all the rest should be set on fire. Will you as PM light the pyre?”

Oh here we go, it’s Last of the Summer Wine again.

That’s not what she said at all.

Some people seem incapable of understanding true working class Tory attitudes.

My Granddad was one. Before I even went to school he had me watering down the vinegar at his chip shop.

If your Granddad had a chip shop he wasn't really working class, though, more Alfred Roberts greengrocer territory.

Oh. He was. Very much so.
The chip shop was a couple of fryers in his converted front room.

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

Why I don't do Twitter.
I don't need nor want to see owt like that.

A few decades ago, the Sunday Times magazine had a picture of a head sitting on the ground. It had belonged to a suicide bomber in Israel, and the head had been launched up into the air and landed on its neck. The eyes were closed, peaceful.

I have seen worse online since, and seen one or two horrific things irl, but that image has stuck with me for some reason.

Another one that has stuck with me is a sailor after a U-boat attack in WW2. The photo was taken from the U-Boat, and shows the sole survivor of the ship standing on a crate. They left him there, presumably to die from starvation or drowning. My granddad served on ships in DEMS during the war, so that piccie really got to me. The poor man.

Got my Dalle invite. What nonsense shit do people want to see images of?

Alistair said:

Got my Dalle invite. What nonsense shit do people want to see images of?

Leon pegged with Truss

rottenborough said:

Benefits are for lazy people says an audience member after saying benefits saved her mum.

Jeez.

This brings me to my favourite conundrum - what do we do with the Universal Credit taper?

The marginal rate of tax is exceptionally high for someone on benefits. Often, the lower rate of income tax, national insurance, the UC taper and, especially in Scotland, a whole host of benefits that piggy back on UC eligibility (Scottish child payment etc).

For someone at the margin, the tax rate can be well over 100%.

We should fix it, especially in such a tight labour market. But if we decrease the taper, we bring thousands of people back into Universal Credit, at massive cost.

I think the answer is much higher tax allowances for having children (offsetting the large UC awards for kids), and perhaps for disability too.

Christ. I may need to phone my GP but I am beginning to warm to Truss.

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

There was really no need to share that.

Er, I think we can cope with words, can't we?

Get a grip

Maybe I just have a vivid ability to visualise; I find descriptions can sear into my brain. You should appreciate that as a writer.

But perhaps, I'm a bit odd that way.

Fair enough if no one else is bothered.

rottenborough said:

Christ. I may need to phone my GP but I am beginning to warm to Truss.

Liz is strident and perhaps a bit batty, but she comes across as someone more relatable.

“I know it well,” she says of Seacroft, in Leeds.

Rishi probably spent last night cribbing the fact that Leeds is in Yorkshire.

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Did you lot see this? Ms Truss - or at least her Dept - seemingly involved in a diplomatic row.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jul/28/uk-in-diplomatic-standoff-over-deletion-of-abortion-rights-from-gender-statement

You won't get global agreement to abortion on demand etc especially from Africa, Latin America and much of Asia and Eastern Europe and as we have recently seen, the US

So?

Are you still in favour of denying abortion to victims of rape, as my memory seems to recall?

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

There was really no need to share that.

Er, I think we can cope with words, can't we?

Get a grip

SOP for the Wagner group.
There are similar, and worse from them in Syria. Evil, degraded people.

Torture has been routine in occupied Donbas since 2014.

Jim_Miller said:

Arizona Republican Governor Doug Ducey is proposing to solve the state's water shortages with desalination:
"The plan includes helping fund the building of a desalination plant in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico. The state would not own the plant but would buy water from it. Buschatzke estimates the cost to build the plant would be in the neighborhood of $2.5-3 billion."
source: https://ktar.com/story/5042317/gov-doug-duceys-plan-to-use-desalinated-water-in-arizona-will-be-pricey-expert-says/

As I recall, Mexico would get part of the water from the plant, and that part of Mexico needs water, too.

Ducey has been trying to learn from the experts: https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/energy-and-infrastructure/article-708201

(I don't know enough about the economics of such plants to judge how much sense this proposal makes. Or whether we can look forward to further decreases in the costs of desalination. But it is interesting.)

My business is in Arizona, and I have nothing but good things to say about Governor Ducey.

Whoever wins in November, the State is likely to become a less business friendly place.

Eabhal said:

Cyclefree said:

Eabhal said:

Cyclefree said:

In more important news, remember the WhatsApp group Wayne Couzens belonged to? 3 more Met officers from the same group are currently on trial in relation to some really disturbing messages they posted.

What is also interesting is that, like Couzens, they too came from the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and had not been in the Met a long time. This does suggest something a bit iffy about the CNC as well as the Met.

I'm not sure how comfortable I feel about having such people guarding our nuclear facilities frankly.

That must be the most boring police job in the UK. Maybe why? (Edit: explanation, not excuse)

I know an armed cop in Edinburgh and he goes slightly mad every time the Queen comes up.

Being a bit bored seems a poor explanation for the sorts of things being aired during this trial.

What sort of due diligence was being done on these men? What sort of monitoring of what they were up to? None it would seem. Which is more than a touch alarming.

The problem is not just what they were saying and doing but that it risked making them a blackmail risk. And that is definitely a risk you do not want to run in a nuclear facility. People who work in such places have to be positively vetted. Or so I understand.

Your last para is a very good point.

My thinking was a very small, immobile team, geographically and structurally isolated from normal policing, with nothing to do, might have a larger risk of a toxic culture festering and infecting the whole lot.

This is based on the idea that the Police aren't, in general, that bad. But...

Indeed. You have only to think about how just about every Special Forces unit in every military ends up is some ghastly scandal.

Question from Tadcaster.

The town which produces the finest ale in england.

Yay!

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alistair said:

Got my Dalle invite. What nonsense shit do people want to see images of?

I'd love to see an image of 'a once in a generation opportunity'.

I simply can't choose between any of these incredible representations. How can I post only one?

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

Surfing twitter I just saw a shot of some unspeakable videos of Russian special forces torturing Ukrainian POWs

Up there with the worst of the Mexican cartel videos

Mind-bleach please. Jeez. I'm going to cook some Brazilian fish stew and try and forget

Everything does, indeed, sound like innuendo after a while.

In this case, not. The video is of a Wagner Group Russian castrating a Uke POW with a Stanley knife, then they finally decapitate him.

I just saw a screenshot - entirely by accident - and it was enough to ice the blood. Horrific. The war will only get worse for both sides

There was really no need to share that.

Er, I think we can cope with words, can't we?

Get a grip

SOP for the Wagner group.
There are similar, and worse from them in Syria. Evil, degraded people.

Torture has been routine in occupied Donbas since 2014.

Given their boss likes SS badges etc, it’s not surprising that they are bit Oskar Dirlewanger…

League of Gentlemen have infiltrated this audience in parts.

.

ydoethur said:

IshmaelZ said:

Gardenwalker said:

rottenborough said:

Truss is better with humour.

This is over imho.

It is time to get Johnson out and Truss into the No 10 wallpaper display zone.

She is getting a much easier ride than Sunak, and she is relaxed enough to joke a bit.

Yeah definitely outperforming on the upside. And this Moving whips office back to 12 Downing Street stuff sounds really authoritative and thought out.

ROFLMAO.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear...

Learning to love their new leader.
A couple of weeks back, and only Barty had a good word to say for her. Power is indeed an aphrodisiac.