Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
Unfortunate for Kemi, but a great campaign, one hell of a marker for the next contest, and a very good shout for a Great Office in the new administration.
Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Nobody ever said that though. Other than @kinabalu kept saying it sarcastically.
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
Still time for twists and turns, but I think Liz has Rishi's number
His best attempt in the debates was a lame 'hur, you used to be a LD'. If that's the best he can do she will wipe the floor with him and make her own ineptitude a sign of being 'real'.
Unfortunate for Kemi, but a great campaign, one hell of a marker for the next contest, and a very good shout for a Great Office in the new administration.
In Truss we trust.
If Truss had any sense she would make Badenoch Home Secretary yesterday.
This is like John Redwood winning the 1995 leadership election.
Hahaha.
I'll never forget Tony Marlow standing at the front of the gaggle of Redwood supporters for his press conference in the committee room, resplendent in his loudly and proudly dated pink striped blazer. It was on a hot day just like today's too I think.
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
As Liz Truss held the position of President of Oxford University Liberal Democrats (a position Icarus also held - though without the Democrats bit) I hope that she is a sleeper who will destroy the Tories from the inside!
This contest has been run far too quickly - and the Tories will suffer for it.
Suspect turn out in the members election will be low.
Why would running it slower have made a difference? The top candidates are two longstanding frontrunners and the long running dark horse candidate (if that's not a contradiction). The MPs know them all, and have had time to hear from them all.
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
The Conservative Party believe that cosplaying Thatcher will keep them the Red Wall? Well, it’s a view I suppose.
Both of these views surely can't be right at the same time?
That’s the thing about opinions. One of us will be wrong. However you could reconcile us by pointing out that Boris was losing his lustre there anyway.
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Lord, forgive them, they know not what they do! Least worst option Sunak, but he won’t get past the members. Second least bad, Truss, but the Trade War with the EU the Remainer Apostate will lead us into almost guarantees PM Starmer in 2024. As for what’s left, haven’t we learned the lesson of handing PM to a gaslighting liar?
Thoughts and prayers for HYUFD when the party is led by a (former) Lib Dem and republican.
I'm excited to see the new HYUFD software script when this ends, considering that only a couple of weeks ago Rishi was a vile unelectable traitor, while Truss was an unelectable Lib Dem Remainer.
Unfortunate for Kemi, but a great campaign, one hell of a marker for the next contest, and a very good shout for a Great Office in the new administration.
In Truss we trust.
Gove will now be negotiating and playing Sunak and Truss off against each other.
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
As Liz Truss held the position of President of Oxford University Liberal Democrats (a position Icarus also held - though without the Democrats bit) I hope that she is a sleeper who will destroy the Tories from the inside!
Insert future pub quiz question about the first Lib Dem Prime Minister here.
Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Nobody ever said that though. Other than @kinabalu kept saying it sarcastically.
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
Lord, forgive them, they know not what they do! Least worst option Sunak, but he won’t get past the members. Second least bad, Truss, but the Trade War with the EU the Remainer Apostate will lead us into almost guarantees PM Starmer in 2024. As for what’s left, haven’t we learned the lesson of handing PM to a gaslighting liar?
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
Sure! And I'm not seeking independence. But the government of the UK is a corrupt disfunctional shit show. And if the Tories elect an incompetent sneering harridan who continues to disregard Scottish democracy, it only increases the likelihood of a yes vote when it eventually gets put to us again.
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
As Liz Truss held the position of President of Oxford University Liberal Democrats (a position Icarus also held - though without the Democrats bit) I hope that she is a sleeper who will destroy the Tories from the inside!
You don't need to hope for it, if Truss is leader she will do it without trying...
Bozo had Covid to deal with and the ability to throw money at the problem.
Truss has an energy crisis to deal with (that will become very real when it dawns on Germany that Russia has shut down the gas pipeline permanently) and the money that could be used to solve it has already been spent.
Unfortunate for Kemi, but a great campaign, one hell of a marker for the next contest, and a very good shout for a Great Office in the new administration.
In Truss we trust.
Gove will now be negotiating and playing Sunak and Truss off against each other.
Boy, he must be having the time of his life.
Are you suggesting he is Kemi's.....er.......client acquirer?
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
The Conservative Party believe that cosplaying Thatcher will keep them the Red Wall? Well, it’s a view I suppose.
Both of these views surely can't be right at the same time?
That’s the thing about opinions. One of us will be wrong. However you could reconcile us by pointing out that Boris was losing his lustre there anyway.
It's still not reconcilable. Either Truss is Boris without the individual baggage, or she's Thatcher reborn. She can't be both as Thatcherism and Borisism are miles apart.
Tories don’t be disheartened. Truss could surprise. One of her strengths is that she appears to have a genuine sense of what she stands for and might offer a coherent programme, which will help ride the economic storm.
The Tory party are taking the piss if they impose Truss on the country.
They were elected on a mandate to level up. She’s gonna ditch it all and go straight for tax cuts.
Economic illiteracy. Political insanity.
She's going to *borrow money* to pay for tax cuts. The government version of taking out a fraudulent Coronavirus loan, running off with the cash then collapsing the company.
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
As Liz Truss held the position of President of Oxford University Liberal Democrats (a position Icarus also held - though without the Democrats bit) I hope that she is a sleeper who will destroy the Tories from the inside!
She was in my year at Oxford. I never met her though. Not sure I missed much.
Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Nobody ever said that though. Other than @kinabalu kept saying it sarcastically.
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
You must have bet big.
I'm only in the £400-600 space. A tenth of yours!
£20 @ 250/1
Can I say thank you to everyone who helped bring Boris down. Either I get that payout, or we get Boris replaced with the even better alternative of Liz Truss. This is a fantastic moment in politics. 😎
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Even without the polling id think Truss beats Sunak. She is speaking their language on tax cuts, she was loyal to the end, he doesnt seem great under pressure.
Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Nobody ever said that though. Other than @kinabalu kept saying it sarcastically.
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
The voting itself isn't the thing that has lit up this leadership election rather the debates. And, let's be honest, the lighting up done there was more pyromania than revelation.
So, my assumption is that it stays orthodox in the next round - any "clever" tactical switching away from Sunak will be very small scale and individual in nature and will not be encouraged by the campaign.
And that also means, though Badenoch votes will not transfer as a bloc, the bias towards Truss will be enough for Truss / Sunak.
In any instance, Sunak's member deficit and the likelihood of his opponents blowing it sufficiently to enhance his member support is similar in each case.
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
The Conservative Party believe that cosplaying Thatcher will keep them the Red Wall? Well, it’s a view I suppose.
Both of these views surely can't be right at the same time?
That’s the thing about opinions. One of us will be wrong. However you could reconcile us by pointing out that Boris was losing his lustre there anyway.
It's still not reconcilable. Either Truss is Boris without the individual baggage, or she's Thatcher reborn. She can't be both as Thatcherism and Borisism are miles apart.
Chris Skidmore of Team Rishi accuses the Liz and Penny camps of possibly trading votes. Don't understand how that works.
The only way I would see that is if PM hoovered up TT's vote (let's say she got all the votes, that would take her to 114 pre-lending) and then "lent" 20+ to Truss to ensure she came third. Obviously wasn't needed in the end but, if you believe that, then PM Is a solid bet.
The Tory party are taking the piss if they impose Truss on the country.
They were elected on a mandate to level up. She’s gonna ditch it all and go straight for tax cuts.
Economic illiteracy. Political insanity.
She's going to *borrow money* to pay for tax cuts. The government version of taking out a fraudulent Coronavirus loan, running off with the cash then collapsing the company.
I don’t want to worry you, but it is theoretically possible for tomorrow’s supposedly final heat of the Tory leadership contest to be a dead heat. Since with Ellwood expelled, there are 357 voters and Sunak, Mordaunt and Truss could each get 119. Goodness knows what happens then https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1549399308688048130
Utterly delighted, either get £5k or the best person becomes PM.
Win/win. Very happy. 😁
Liz Truss? The best person? FFS. She will ensure a Labour victory at the next GE. She is Boris Johnson in a skirt: she will say anything to anyone to advance her career. It will unravel in weeks.
Liz Truss the best person for PM is the biggest load of shite posted on PB since people were saying that Boris Johnson was pure muscle.
Nobody ever said that though. Other than @kinabalu kept saying it sarcastically.
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
James Heale @JAHeale · 17m It’s ridiculous to compare this hot summer to 1976. Back then MPs had to choose between Crosland, Jenkins, Healey, Benn, Callaghan and Foot for PM.
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*don't rejoice
Time to review all my bets on Labour not to win a majority at GE2024.
Suspect turn out in the members election will be low.
Tory MPs need to be thinking that the choice for PM is now either Mordaunt or Truss. Sunak loses to either with members quite handsomely. Truss is continuity-Boris. Is that what they really want?!
And the sort of tax cuts we would prefer (fuel duty) aren't ones that your typical freebie loving Tory party member pensioner cares about.
RAF Coningsby hits 40.
In Truss we trust.
Dull wins
Liz Truss is the best person for PM though. 👍 But I'd rather get my £5000, so Rishi v Truss is a win/win.
I wouldn't have trusted RS to do that, despite his words.
His best attempt in the debates was a lame 'hur, you used to be a LD'. If that's the best he can do she will wipe the floor with him and make her own ineptitude a sign of being 'real'.
Betfair next prime minister
2.18 Liz Truss 46%
2.42 Rishi Sunak 41%
8 Penny Mordaunt 13%
370 Dominic Raab
Next Conservative leader
2.12 Liz Truss 47%
2.44 Rishi Sunak 41%
7.4 Penny Mordaunt 14%
To be in final two
1.01 Rishi Sunak 99%
1.25 Liz Truss 80%
4.3 Penny Mordaunt 23%
I'll never forget Tony Marlow standing at the front of the gaggle of Redwood supporters for his press conference in the committee room, resplendent in his loudly and proudly dated pink striped blazer. It was on a hot day just like today's too I think.
As the heavy rain reaches Bath and Bournemouth...and it's looking grey to the west from here on the Island, and the first rumble of distant thunder
Or they genuinely think she’s going to deliver “something”
Maybe Kemi would be more effective as Home Secretary....??
They were elected on a mandate to level up. She’s gonna ditch it all and go straight for tax cuts.
Economic illiteracy. Political insanity.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Starmer leads Truss by 12% as preferred PM, that is 1997 style defeat at least in voteshare
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549063999605465089?s=20&t=3_uq_zqmP975cjN3ODN6dw
Boy, he must be having the time of his life.
Maybe Truss will surprise, massively, on the upside. It would be hard for her to UNDERperform expectations
I'm only in the £400-600 space. A tenth of yours!
Bozo had Covid to deal with and the ability to throw money at the problem.
Truss has an energy crisis to deal with (that will become very real when it dawns on Germany that Russia has shut down the gas pipeline permanently) and the money that could be used to solve it has already been spent.
This is looking like a walloping, will we see a marge majority turned into another large majority - but for the other party?
This really is the AU elections all over again
Can I say thank you to everyone who helped bring Boris down. Either I get that payout, or we get Boris replaced with the even better alternative of Liz Truss. This is a fantastic moment in politics. 😎
So, my assumption is that it stays orthodox in the next round - any "clever" tactical switching away from Sunak will be very small scale and individual in nature and will not be encouraged by the campaign.
And that also means, though Badenoch votes will not transfer as a bloc, the bias towards Truss will be enough for Truss / Sunak.
In any instance, Sunak's member deficit and the likelihood of his opponents blowing it sufficiently to enhance his member support is similar in each case.
For a bit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/uk-lost-up-to-16bn-due-to-and-error-in-covid-loans-schemes
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1549399308688048130
James Heale
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It’s ridiculous to compare this hot summer to 1976. Back then MPs had to choose between Crosland, Jenkins, Healey, Benn, Callaghan and Foot for PM.