A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
Deliver, deliver, deliver.
Special delivery. Guaranteed to deliver. Guaranteed Next Day Delivery.
Rejoice!* The Trusster will become Prime Minister. And thus ends both the Union and the Conservative Party.
*don't rejoice
Biggest end of the union since the last Indy ref and Brexit I suspect.
Sure! And I'm not seeking independence. But the government of the UK is a corrupt disfunctional shit show. And if the Tories elect an incompetent sneering harridan who continues to disregard Scottish democracy, it only increases the likelihood of a yes vote when it eventually gets put to us again.
Provided the SC rules the UK government can refuse an indyref2 it ain't happening again anyway anytime soon
Depends - Bozo could announce it on September 1st for the Lols.
From my rough online survey of party members, those who had Kemi Badenoch as their current first choice went overwhelmingly to Truss and Mordaunt, rather than Sunak.
** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter ** More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.
The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP
The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."
Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.
Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.
"We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.
"By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.
"There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."
I'm on Truss as next PM at 66/1 with William Hill. I hope she gets it. £660 and a Labour government.
That’s awfully close, isn’t it!
IMHO, Sunak gets a few more, and Mourdaunt a few less, of the Badenoch votes.
Agreed. One thing's for sure, without an overwhelming backing from MPs (since we'll never know how the third place backers would go) Sunak cannot run on the basis of being the clear frontrunner. It's a toss up, so he's got to persuade that the public will hate Truss but not him.
James Heale @JAHeale · 17m It’s ridiculous to compare this hot summer to 1976. Back then MPs had to choose between Crosland, Jenkins, Healey, Benn, Callaghan and Foot for PM.
All men.
The tail end of the wartime generation, though it continued for a bit in Thatcher's cabinet. Roy Jenkins was at Bletchley Park; Healey in the army; Benn was a bomber pilot; Callaghan a matelot; not sure about the other two. I suppose Major Heath would have been LotO still.
Crosland was a Para and Foot was medically rejected (but is said by some to have been one of the stay-behind-if-Germany-invaded Auxiliaries: how reliably, I do not know).
** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter ** More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.
The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP
The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."
Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.
Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.
"We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.
"By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.
"There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."
From my rough online survey of party members, those who had Kemi Badenoch as their current first choice went overwhelmingly to Truss and Mordaunt, rather than Sunak.
Sunak more or less stood still and so did Kemi. Mordaunt gained a few not many. So where did TR’s vote go?
Not Truss obvs. One assumes his vote largely went to Kemi, Kemi’s went to Truss in equal measure, the uniting of the ERG.
Which means Kemi’s vote would not be as rich a hunting ground for Truss as one might assume.
The same scenario could be true but with TT’s vote to Sunak and a chunk of Sunak’s to Kemi. Less likely but similar outcome.
I can see there being one vote in this at the end 😐
Or it mainly went to Sunak, who also lent out a chunk of his vote to Truss to guarantee Badenoch was eliminated (the candidate he was weakest against) now in the final round he can choose his opponent (so don't rule out a massive swing back toward Mordaunt).
Would love to believe this is true. But no, sorry, I think the dye is cast.
Liz is our next PM, merrily leading the Tories into oblivion. We just have to hope she can’t do too much damage to the country in her two years as our overlord.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
Deliver, deliver, deliver.
Special delivery. Guaranteed to deliver. Guaranteed Next Day Delivery.
Dead on arrival?
Hermes - delivered to a different address and customer support is categoric that you actually do live at the courier's home address.
** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter ** More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.
The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP
The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."
Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.
Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.
"We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.
"By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.
"There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."
It's a load of nonsense. Even if they can add him, for sake of argument, the whole premise is that it is unfair and invalid that he was removed without reference to the membership, which is not how the party process works. That process has been gone over plenty for everyone to know that.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
She looks non-daft there, so that's good.
Responding (late) to @RichardNabavi's point that Rishi is the best of a flaky bunch, I can understand why the campaign so far justifies that surmise, but I don't think it's fair. Had the other candidates been subjected to the same tarring and feathering that PM has over the course of the campaign, none would have a shred of credibility left.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
She may have the "steely gaze"... But then she opens her mouth! She can barely string a coherent sentence together?
The Tories have already voted? That's earlier than the two previous rounds!
Each day's timetable depends on Commons business, I think. Brady said tomorrow voting is 1 to 3 with the result at 4 - I assume that's so as not to clash with PMQs.
The fact there are proper traditional Tories terrified of a Truss premiership is very scary to me
She isn't a traditional Tory, she is a libertarian Liberal in Tory clothing.
If she is PM she likely loses the redwall to Labour, much of the One Nation Tory Home counties to the LDs and the populist and traditional right to RefUK, Farage was scathing about her yesterday and might be tempted to return to lead the party if he smells prey.
It could be annihilation on 1997 scale, it could even be annihilation on Canada 1993 scale if all the above occurred
** EXCLUSIVE in today's Chopper's Politics Newsletter ** More than 1,800 Conservative party members have written to the Tory party chairman in less than 12 hours to demand that a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.
The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Tory donor Lord Cruddas and former Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman @DCBMEP
The signatories are invited to support the following statement: "I demand Boris Johnson is added to the ballot as an option for the members to vote upon in the forthcoming election."
Lord Cruddas says under the party's constitution it can add Mr Johnson's name to the ballot.
Lord Cruddas tells me: "The membership wants the option of voting for Boris on the final ballot.
"We think it is only fair because Boris was the members choice back in 2019 and he has been constructively removed by the Parliamentary Party without referral to the membership.
"By adding Boris to the final ballot to make it a three horse race means that the winner will have the backing of the membership.
"There will be no ambiguity around the result and the final choice of leader will have integrity."
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
After CCHQ left it too late with Theresa May, no doubt Liz will immediately be bundled off to drama school to learn how to deliver a speech.
I think Sunak's lead is bigger than it looks. I think he has lent votes to Truss to ensure the elimination of wild card Badenoch and a run-off against one of the 2 candidates he's most comfortable opposing in the Final. So, next vote, he'll pull away and Truss will not gain as many net votes as people are assuming. She - Truss - is a standout lay IMO if she's gone odds on.
Will he lend votes to Mordaunt in the next round, or is it too risky.
I think he'll want to max out his final vote and will feel confident of beating either Truss or Mordaunt in the Final despite various polls saying he'd be the underdog. These short intense glamourpuss MPs hustings in febrile Westminster are one thing - doing it for 6 weeks on a wet Wednesday night up and down the shires and in the red wall is something else.
My ATTENTION GRABBING call for Sept - which I'll never refer to again if it proves to be bollox - is PM Rishi Sunak and CoE Michael Gove.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
The fact there are proper traditional Tories terrified of a Truss premiership is very scary to me
She isn't a traditional Tory, she is a libertarian Liberal in Tory clothing.
If she is PM she likely loses the redwall to Labour, much of the One Nation Tory Home counties to the LDs and the populist and traditional right to RefUK, Farage was scathing about her yesterday and might be tempted to return to lead the party if he smells prey.
It could be annihilation on 1997 scales, it could even be annihilation on Canada 1993 scales if all the above occurred
People say HYUFD is a one trick pony but this is some excellent analysis. God help us if this is how they see things!
Thoughts and prayers for HYUFD when the party is led by a (former) Lib Dem and republican.
She has recanted that.
Thoughts and prayers though to the over 150 Tory MPs who will lose their seats if she becomes PM if RedfieldWilton is correct
Yes, indeed. I will be thinking of them, and praying that they do. We have to clear the stables of this whole corrupt mess. But I bet it's the wrong ones who lose their seats.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
After CCHQ left it too late with Theresa May, no doubt Liz will immediately be bundled off to drama school to learn how to deliver a speech.
Liz will probably turn up at the wrong school and learn how to deliver a baby.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
After CCHQ left it too late with Theresa May, no doubt Liz will immediately be bundled off to drama school to learn how to deliver a speech.
And Warwick for some economics training and the LSE for some foreign affairs, the 2 years will be up before we know it.
The fact there are proper traditional Tories terrified of a Truss premiership is very scary to me
She isn't a traditional Tory, she is a libertarian Liberal in Tory clothing.
If she is PM she likely loses the redwall to Labour, much of the One Nation Tory Home counties to the LDs and the populist and traditional right to RefUK, Farage was scathing about her yesterday and might be tempted to return to lead the party if he smells prey.
It could be annihilation on 1997 scale, it could even be annihilation on Canada 1993 scale if all the above occurred
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
After CCHQ left it too late with Theresa May, no doubt Liz will immediately be bundled off to drama school to learn how to deliver a speech.
I thought we concluded she was already a graduate of public-speaking school>?
The temperature in the Tory party has increased a lot in the last hour. Haven't heard any more news from the Met Office. 4pm now. Temperatures now peaked?
If PM Truss does go through with her desire to establish a republic, she might try to install President Bozo.
Quick - Vote Rishi!
Truss has at least abandoned her support for a republic, telling the Express she now understands why our constitutional monarchy is so important to our democracy
Much like Truss has abandoned her support for nuclear disarmament, abandoned her support for Remain for the hardest of Brexits, abandoned her support for the LDs to become an economic Thatcherite and indeed abandoned her old school to make a political point
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
From my rough online survey of party members, those who had Kemi Badenoch as their current first choice went overwhelmingly to Truss and Mordaunt, rather than Sunak.
Keir probably wants Truss, Rishi and Mordaunt in that order.
I honestly don't think he cares that much. But Mordaunt is probably the biggest concern - if there is one - because she is so totally a blank canvas. It's possible she might be able to unite the Tories and weather the cost of living crisis, but it's equally possible she completely tanks. Not one of them is close to scary.
Major incident in London declared by Mayor Khan in response to a number of fires. Wants to ban disposable barbecues.
The number of idiots who put them in insane places. That, combined with the fashion for decking in small gardens - popular for rental properties.....
Out here they’ve started locking up people for cooking with barbecues on balconies of cladded apartment blocks - after half a dozen buildings went properly on fire!
Never underestimate just how moronic the morons can be.
There was a story last week or the week before where a child ended up with category A burns because someone had buried a life disposable BBQ on a beach and the child ran across it unaware.
Remember that Sand can get to 400-500c without much difficulty (see the energy storage posts earlier)
Not sure Truss is worse than Johnson. She is a bit less feckless, incompetent and egregiously dishonest than possibly the worst prime minister of all time.
The temperature in the Tory party has increased a lot in the last hour. Haven't heard any more news from the Met Office. 4pm now. Temperatures now peaked?
They're working together in inverse proportion, I think. Tomorrow it will be 10 degrees cooler. Except Liz Truss to storm the stage in a fireman's outfit.
A very steely looking Liz in her banner photo shows how her prime ministerial image will evolve. I think people are writing off her chances against Starmer too soon.
After CCHQ left it too late with Theresa May, no doubt Liz will immediately be bundled off to drama school to learn how to deliver a speech.
“Look down the camera at the voters Liz!”
“But if I do that how do I read my lines?”
“Don’t read them. Memorise them. Like David Cameron did in 2005.”
“I can’t do that. What if I accidentally say something stupid. Like the Bank of Japan being the best central bank in the world at controlling inflation?”.
“Ok ok. Just read the damn notes. But make sure they don’t say anything stupid about the Bank of Japan”.
Not sure Truss is worse than Johnson. She is a bit less feckless and egregiously dishonest than possibly the worst prime minister of all time.
Continuation Bozo is worse than keeping Bozo at least he had a chance of retaining Red Wall seats on the basis that he could still fool some people some of the time.
I cannot believe that the Tory Party has signed up to assisted suicide. I continue to think that sanity will prevail and Sunak will beat Truss in the members' vote. Labour members were stupid enough to vote for Corbyn, but that was in opposition, and I always thought that Tories were basically realists who believed in power above all else. If they choose Truss I think they face an extinction level event at the next election but God help us all in the meantime.
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Yes, I suspect Team Sunak will think they can overhaul a 19-point deficit over the summer. The one strategic problem is that it coincides exactly with the school holidays, so minimal attention paid to politics by the public or indeed the Tory membership.
What 19 point deficit? Member polling is flawed as a proven fact, every member poll that comes out is like from a random number generator, yet markets and media suck it down like biblical truth.
Sunak has a sane approach to managing this severe economic crisis - Truss turned her campaign launch into an escape room game, and failed it. Sunak beats her at least 60 40, even if Truss makes the last two.
To suggest anything else insults the Tory membership.
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
James Heale @JAHeale · 17m It’s ridiculous to compare this hot summer to 1976. Back then MPs had to choose between Crosland, Jenkins, Healey, Benn, Callaghan and Foot for PM.
All men.
The tail end of the wartime generation, though it continued for a bit in Thatcher's cabinet. Roy Jenkins was at Bletchley Park; Healey in the army; Benn was a bomber pilot; Callaghan a matelot; not sure about the other two. I suppose Major Heath would have been LotO still.
Healey was a little more than in the army. He was beachmaster at Anzio.
Aha! Wokeists blame Winston Churchill for that botched landing. When the "true" villain was Denis Healey!
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Yes, I suspect Team Sunak will think they can overhaul a 19-point deficit over the summer. The one strategic problem is that it coincides exactly with the school holidays, so minimal attention paid to politics by the public or indeed the Tory membership.
What 19 point deficit? Member polling is flawed as a proven fact, every member poll that comes out is like from a random number generator, yet markets and media suck it down like biblical truth.
Sunak has a sane approach to managing this severe economic crisis - Truss turned her campaign launch into an escape room game, and failed it. Sunak beats her at least 60 40, even if Truss makes the last two.
To suggest anything else insults the Tory membership.
Yes, okay, you might have a point about the member polling!
From my rough online survey of party members, those who had Kemi Badenoch as their current first choice went overwhelmingly to Truss and Mordaunt, rather than Sunak.
Maybe Truss will surprise, massively, on the upside. It would be hard for her to UNDERperform expectations
She may also get lucky. Ukraine could win the war quickly, inflation could ease. Lots of things are possible, I guess.
I'm still looking more at the Canning and Goderich end of the table rather than Walpole or Pitt the Younger.
I mean. I’m trying to be objective here and say - well, what if she’s a lucky general.
Ukraine gets sorted.
Cost of living crisis is resolved.
Economy performs well.
… and that all gives her the chance to go into a GE campaign saying (probably disingenuously) “I fixed things, I righted the ship, trust me with another 5 years”…
I STILL think she loses.
Because she’s a terrible campaigner leading a 14 year old (at that time) government.
Lol when 61% of voters say Truss would be a bad PM
If that doesn’t spook MPs, then huge swathes need to lose their seat at the next GE. Preferably starting with Redwood, Cash, Baker, Rees-Mogg and Dorries.
Well Bozo's time has been and gone. I can't imagine any situation in which he returned to the leadership of the Tory party.
True- it's pretty clear which rabbit hole the Conservatives will go down next time. But it's going to be easy for Boris to point at what's coming next and say "You shouldn't have got rid of me. I told you life was better under Boris."
The fact there are proper traditional Tories terrified of a Truss premiership is very scary to me
She isn't a traditional Tory, she is a libertarian Liberal in Tory clothing.
It's so cute, you say that as if it's a bad thing.
Though I for one will only stick to supporting her if she remains (pun intended) a libertarian Liberal, you will be her greatest fan no matter what she does from the second she wins.
I’m grateful to my colleagues and the party members who have supported me.
This campaign began less than two weeks ago. What we’ve achieved demonstrates the level of support for our vision of change for our country and for the Conservative Party.
Relax you drama queens. The members won’t elect Truss over Rishi.
Can’t you see the members polling stinks, it flips about more dramatically in space of a week than yougov polling.
Zero chance of Truss becoming leader. The Badenoch vote can’t stand Truss which is why they aren’t voting for the embaressing Thatcher tribute act already.
Yes, I suspect Team Sunak will think they can overhaul a 19-point deficit over the summer. The one strategic problem is that it coincides exactly with the school holidays, so minimal attention paid to politics by the public or indeed the Tory membership.
What 19 point deficit? Member polling is flawed as a proven fact, every member poll that comes out is like from a random number generator, yet markets and media suck it down like biblical truth.
Sunak has a sane approach to managing this severe economic crisis - Truss turned her campaign launch into an escape room game, and failed it. Sunak beats her at least 60 40, even if Truss makes the last two.
To suggest anything else insults the Tory membership.
You believe that the Tory party is sane - yet we have no evidence to proof this and a fair amount of evidence (HYUFD) that the opposite is true...
Not sure Truss is worse than Johnson. She is a bit less feckless, incompetent and egregiously dishonest than possibly the worst prime minister of all time.
How fortunate we are.
But she also lacks his optimistic bumbling charm. It wire out its welcome even among many who liked him, but he did have that.
HYUFD has it right - she's trying for continuity Boris but without his advantages.
It'll win her the members race butvit is not sustainable.
If Truss was any good, she would still have been some threat in this contest even now. But She got herself lost at her own campaign launch, this is magnitude worse than Marcus Brody getting lost in his own museum, Truss got herself lost in effectively just one room, wandering into a dead end, looking left and right and then appearing confused incapable of movement until helped away by a kindly gentleman. Let’s be honest, lost at your own hustings and led away by your staff, you can’t ask to lead a country.
Her continued presence is making it farcical. The 1922 should have a word.
Lol when 61% of voters say Truss would be a bad PM
If that doesn’t spook MPs, then huge swathes need to lose their seat at the next GE. Preferably starting with Redwood, Cash, Baker, Rees-Mogg and Dorries.
Won't Ms D, at least, be leaving for the Lords anyway?
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
She is at least less toxic than Bojo in Scotland. Not saying she's not toxic, but she ain't that toxic.
I’m grateful to my colleagues and the party members who have supported me.
This campaign began less than two weeks ago. What we’ve achieved demonstrates the level of support for our vision of change for our country and for the Conservative Party.
Sunak more or less stood still and so did Kemi. Mordaunt gained a few not many. So where did TR’s vote go?
Not Truss obvs. One assumes his vote largely went to Kemi, Kemi’s went to Truss in equal measure, the uniting of the ERG.
Which means Kemi’s vote would not be as rich a hunting ground for Truss as one might assume.
The same scenario could be true but with TT’s vote to Sunak and a chunk of Sunak’s to Kemi. Less likely but similar outcome.
I can see there being one vote in this at the end 😐
Or it mainly went to Sunak, who also lent out a chunk of his vote to Truss to guarantee Badenoch was eliminated (the candidate he was weakest against) now in the final round he can choose his opponent (so don't rule out a massive swing back toward Mordaunt).
Yep. I actually think it's pretty obvious that is what happened. But I don't think he'll lend votes in the final round. Too risky and plus he'll want to max out for that. Have as strong an MP endorsement as possible going into the run-off.
Truss no longer odds on, I see. Still a clear fav though. Not sure I agree with that - but it could be I'm completely out of touch with the modern Tory party. I certainly try to be.
I really hope that the borrow to fund tax cuts stuff is all bullshit. That strikes me as a road to national humiliation and an IMF bailout in 5 years.
That's the bit that annoys me most.
The Tory party are going to vote for more sweeties when it's not the time to do it.
Worse the sweeties are blooming stupid - corporation tax needs to be increased to encourage actual investment, fuel duty is generating inflation everywhere and we need the social care levy so that councils can actually provide social care.
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
She is at least less toxic than Bojo in Scotland. Not saying she's not toxic, but she ain't that toxic.
The fact there are proper traditional Tories terrified of a Truss premiership is very scary to me
She isn't a traditional Tory, she is a libertarian Liberal in Tory clothing.
It's so cute, you say that as if it's a bad thing.
Though I for one will only stick to supporting her if she remains (pun intended) a libertarian Liberal, you will be her greatest fan no matter what she does from the second she wins.
There's nothing libertarian about borrowing from future generations to fund today's tax cuts. Rishi may be a bit dull and not have a good back story but I trust he won't bankrupt the nation. Liz and Penny are playing very dangerously with the national credit card and suggesting we run a very loose fiscal policy when inflation is already running at 9% and we're borrowing £135bn per year already.
I don't agree with the NI rise but I do recognise that we have a structural deficit, I'd have closed it with other taxes that target older people and spending cuts that also target older people and gross wealth exclusive of primary residences (the latter would hurt people like me, a lot I expect) but Liz and Penny both seem to deny that we need to be prudent and bring the budget into balance.
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
She is at least less toxic than Bojo in Scotland. Not saying she's not toxic, but she ain't that toxic.
Don't know yet, do we? And her Maggie cosplay is also not going to help with many of the older voters.
I really hope that the borrow to fund tax cuts stuff is all bullshit. That strikes me as a road to national humiliation and an IMF bailout in 5 years.
That's the bit that annoys me most.
The Tory party are going to vote for more sweeties when it's not the time to do it.
Worse the sweeties are blooming stupid - corporation tax needs to be increased to encourage actual investment, fuel duty is generating inflation everywhere and we need the social care levy so that councils can actually provide social care.
Bollocks do we need the social care levy, it's just easier for the Treasury to milk people who work for a living than to make tougher choices.
We need someone not prepared to Go Native to the Treasury orthodoxy.
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
She is at least less toxic than Bojo in Scotland. Not saying she's not toxic, but she ain't that toxic.
Is there anyone who we cant say that of?
Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg could give him a fair run, but there's no *candidate* we can't say it of.
Penny pulling off a miracle would be the least toxic and the biggest Nicola headache.
I think those results are reasonable for Truss but slightly disappointing for Mordaunt. With both Hunt and Zahawi dropping out, Mordaunt has only picked up a net +2 compared to Truss, widening the margin over Truss to 19.
I can't see Badenoch beating Truss for 3rd now even if she got the bulk of Braverman's 27 and I don't think she can rely on Tugenhat's to narrow the gap with Truss. So realistically the final 3 will be Sunak, Mordaunt and Truss.
From where we are now, Mordaunt will pick up more than Truss of Tugenhat's 32, while Truss will pick up more than Mordaunt of Braverman/Badenoch's combined current 76. But the latter pile is more than twice as big as the former. The question is whether that is enough to close the gap of 19 as it stands. In the final ballot I think it is literally going to come down to a handful of votes between Mordaunt and Truss, and both will be behind Sunak.
Well Bozo's time has been and gone. I can't imagine any situation in which he returned to the leadership of the Tory party.
October 2024 - The Parliament has just three months to go before the January 2025 general election. The Conservatives under Truss are 25% behind Labour in the polls and the defeat at the next election is going to make John Major's 1997 performance look half decent.
Panic stricken Con MPs decide on one final throw of the dice... And call on Boris...
Far-fetched I admit. But the way this lot are behaving, who knows...
If Truss was any good, she would still have been some threat in this contest even now. But She got herself lost at her own campaign launch, this is magnitude worse than Marcus Brody getting lost in his own museum, Truss got herself lost in effectively just one room, wandering into a dead end, looking left and right and then appearing confused incapable of movement until helped away by a kindly gentleman. Let’s be honest, lost at your own hustings and led away by your staff, you can’t ask to lead a country.
Her continued presence is making it farcical. The 1922 should have a word.
There was one where Mordaunt had won the 2024 election after the first ballot.
If Truss was any good, she would still have been some threat in this contest even now. But She got herself lost at her own campaign launch, this is magnitude worse than Marcus Brody getting lost in his own museum, Truss got herself lost in effectively just one room, wandering into a dead end, looking left and right and then appearing confused incapable of movement until helped away by a kindly gentleman. Let’s be honest, lost at your own hustings and led away by your staff, you can’t ask to lead a country.
Her continued presence is making it farcical. The 1922 should have a word.
Which of those comments have aged badly ? (Apart from the implication she couldn't win.)
Truss is Labour's dream, of course, but Sunak would lead a hopelessly divided party, which will work in Labour's favour too. However, bearing in mind the next election is probably two years away, Sunak will do much less damage in the meantime than Truss would, so the only patriotic vote from here is one for Sunak. I actually hope he does win. If it's Truss we're in worst PM in history territory again.
I'm no fan of Truss but that title is sewn up for at least a thousand years. Johnson owns it and his shirt has been retired.
No, Truss will lose by more than Boris would have. Truss is mostly Boris' policies but less spending and without his charisma
She is at least less toxic than Bojo in Scotland. Not saying she's not toxic, but she ain't that toxic.
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Lizzie for Leader
When do we want it?
Tomorrow, without a membership vote
Thoughts and prayers though to the over 150 Tory MPs who will lose their seats if she becomes PM if RedfieldWilton is correct
From my rough online survey of party members, those who had Kemi Badenoch as their current first choice went overwhelmingly to Truss and Mordaunt, rather than Sunak.
https://twitter.com/drdavidjeffery/status/1549402943081910272
And hope they care.
Keir probably wants Truss, Rishi and Mordaunt in that order.
Liz is our next PM, merrily leading the Tories into oblivion. We just have to hope she can’t do too much damage to the country in her two years as our overlord.
Responding (late) to @RichardNabavi's point that Rishi is the best of a flaky bunch, I can understand why the campaign so far justifies that surmise, but I don't think it's fair. Had the other candidates been subjected to the same tarring and feathering that PM has over the course of the campaign, none would have a shred of credibility left.
If she is PM she likely loses the redwall to Labour, much of the One Nation Tory Home counties to the LDs and the populist and traditional right to RefUK, Farage was scathing about her yesterday and might be tempted to return to lead the party if he smells prey.
It could be annihilation on 1997 scale, it could even be annihilation on Canada 1993 scale if all the above occurred
My ATTENTION GRABBING call for Sept - which I'll never refer to again if it proves to be bollox - is PM Rishi Sunak and CoE Michael Gove.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4034130#Comment_4034130
Discuss.
Truss doesn’t even have that. The Tories are doomed.
Remember that Sand can get to 400-500c without much difficulty (see the energy storage posts earlier)
If this had lasted a week, nobody would be going anywhere much.
Glorious sunshine and the leadership race is going as well as could have been hoped for. What a great day. 😎
“But if I do that how do I read my lines?”
“Don’t read them. Memorise them. Like David Cameron did in 2005.”
“I can’t do that. What if I accidentally say something stupid. Like the Bank of Japan being the best central bank in the world at controlling inflation?”.
“Ok ok. Just read the damn notes. But make sure they don’t say anything stupid about the Bank of Japan”.
“Got it, yes Bank of Japan.”
Truss can't fool anyone any of the time...
If they choose Truss I think they face an extinction level event at the next election but God help us all in the meantime.
I'm still looking more at the Canning and Goderich end of the table rather than Walpole or Pitt the Younger.
Sunak has a sane approach to managing this severe economic crisis - Truss turned her campaign launch into an escape room game, and failed it. Sunak beats her at least 60 40, even if Truss makes the last two.
To suggest anything else insults the Tory membership.
Ukraine gets sorted.
Cost of living crisis is resolved.
Economy performs well.
… and that all gives her the chance to go into a GE campaign saying (probably disingenuously) “I fixed things, I righted the ship, trust me with another 5 years”…
I STILL think she loses.
Because she’s a terrible campaigner leading a 14 year old (at that time) government.
The Tories are doomed.
Though I for one will only stick to supporting her if she remains (pun intended) a libertarian Liberal, you will be her greatest fan no matter what she does from the second she wins.
This campaign began less than two weeks ago. What we’ve achieved demonstrates the level of support for our vision of change for our country and for the Conservative Party.
Thank you.
https://twitter.com/kemibadenoch/status/1549406569120645122
I genuinely fear for the long term future of the party.
We're about to deliver the equivalents of the winter of discontent and Black Wednesday in the space of one parliament.
But she also lacks his optimistic bumbling charm. It wire out its welcome even among many who liked him, but he did have that.
HYUFD has it right - she's trying for continuity Boris but without his advantages.
It'll win her the members race butvit is not sustainable.
Betfair next prime minister
2.12 Liz Truss 47%
2.38 Rishi Sunak 42%
8.6 Penny Mordaunt 12%
320 Keir Starmer
400 Dominic Raab
Next Conservative leader
2.08 Liz Truss 48%
2.46 Rishi Sunak 41%
8.2 Penny Mordaunt 12%
To be in final two
1.03 Rishi Sunak 97%
1.18 Liz Truss 85%
4.3 Penny Mordaunt 23%
By comparison, only 35% of those that watched Sunday's debate think Liz Truss would make a good prime mistier, while 61% think she would make a bad prime minister https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1549410027320102912/photo/1
So if the NI rise is reversed, with borrowing, would you support or oppose that?
She’ll take over after Liz leads them into the wilderness.
June 2016 was our Dunkerque, our Overlord is coming soon.
And I have promised my Dad Truss can’t beat Rishi, which he has been terrified about since Boris resigned. So it can’t happen. It simply can’t,
Truss no longer odds on, I see. Still a clear fav though. Not sure I agree with that - but it could be I'm completely out of touch with the modern Tory party. I certainly try to be.
The Tory party are going to vote for more sweeties when it's not the time to do it.
Worse the sweeties are blooming stupid - corporation tax needs to be increased to encourage actual investment, fuel duty is generating inflation everywhere and we need the social care levy so that councils can actually provide social care.
I don't agree with the NI rise but I do recognise that we have a structural deficit, I'd have closed it with other taxes that target older people and spending cuts that also target older people and gross wealth exclusive of primary residences (the latter would hurt people like me, a lot I expect) but Liz and Penny both seem to deny that we need to be prudent and bring the budget into balance.
Brexit is a hard left project espoused by Michael Foot, it was inevitable other hard left policies would be taken over by the Brexiteers.
Meanwhile looking at the official Met Office 1500 readings, Lincs has got a 39.7 C, most of the E Midlands around 39 C, the Harrogate area at 37.6C,
We need someone not prepared to Go Native to the Treasury orthodoxy.
Penny pulling off a miracle would be the least toxic and the biggest Nicola headache.
Panic stricken Con MPs decide on one final throw of the dice... And call on Boris...
Far-fetched I admit. But the way this lot are behaving, who knows...
(Apart from the implication she couldn't win.)