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How will the Tory betting look after tonight’s TV debate? – politicalbetting.com

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,037

    The risk was always that the amateurs would be crushed by the more experienced Sunak.

    The sad thing is, he has no plan for the country whatsoever. The others are at least aware the country needs a reboot.

    It's hardly inspiring, but being a competent manager would be better than a really crappy reboot.

    IDK, there's something about Sunak that just doesn't sit right with me. Must be presentational, as what he says is usually well put together at least.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,289
    nico679 said:

    Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .

    Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691
    Eabhal said:

    Hahaha, Truss to go after pensions for tech investment. Dementia tax round 2.

    Brown did that too.

    Is her jaw going to start dropping randomly?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Eabhal said:

    Tit two footed on Sunak. 🍿

    What?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,641

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    You are too kind.

    It's way further back than that.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    edited July 2022
    Betfair since debate start.

    Penny stable at 2.08.

    Truss 4.1 (was 3.7)

    Sunak 4.3 (was 4.7)

    So Sunak winning, Truss losing.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,167

    DavidL said:

    Anyone not backing Rishi after this just isn’t serious.

    I've been singing his praises to you lot for nearly 2 years...
    Eh? Why?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    DavidL said:

    Anyone not backing Rishi after this just isn’t serious.

    I've been singing his praises to you lot for nearly 2 years...
    Another 2 on The List.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,641
    Kemi struggling on tax questions.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    MikeL said:

    In all honesty, Sunak is the most credible PM by miles.

    How on earth do you get to that?
  • Sunak could genuinely argue his way to winning, I wonder if he'd quite enjoy taking on Penny
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    nico679 said:

    Penny now thinking the Brexit unicorn will deliver . She gets marked down for polishing this turd too much .

    What a moron she is.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,026
    IshmaelZ said:

    Eabhal said:

    Tit two footed on Sunak. 🍿

    What?
    The "that's what the boss wants"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,322
    £10 per tank of fuel is a tiny ripple in the cost of living crisis ffs and I say that as someone who drives to work every single day.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nice bants between kemi n tom
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence"
    This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,037

    Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.

    That would be hilarious, given how it would require the others to drop quite a few MPs.

    I'm up to Tom talking about pushing things out the regions. Please just stop - its in all parties manifestoes every election but either never happens or happens in half arsed fashion. You all will want to centralise, just do that and do it well.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,182
    Good point from Tom that businesses are not obsessed by corporation tax levels.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,026
    Maybe Labour were right for going after Sunak at PMQs. Hmmm.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,389

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    BoJo surely?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.

    So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.

    Tugendhat isn't about to do a Lazarus, but if Truss is as transparently awful as the whole of PB is suggesting then Badenoch just might.

    But most likely she goes as well, in which case I think she'll probably throw in her lot with Sunak.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393
    IshmaelZ said:

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
    I’ll try to cope, sob. it’s not easy being thought less of but, you know, I’ll try.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,322
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .

    Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
    Yeah and I want a Ferrari. Clearly Tory members are spoilt children.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,317
    Sell Mordaunt: I think she’ll be disappointing her supporters. Sunak attacking her now very effectively.

    Buy Badenoch as a trading bet. I still think she’s one for the future and will ultimately trade her success so far for a nice Cabinet position. She’s effective 2/3 of the time…

    Buy Sunak.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,694
    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    IshmaelZ said:

    This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.

    So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.

    Yup

    You know as well as I do that if SKS were in the mix he would be coming 6th

    That's unfair. 5th=.
    No he'd be second, but way behind Sunak.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    If Truss is still in after tonight the conservative party are going into opposition

    Rishi is the adult in the room
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Instead of watching the Tax Cutters' Debate Candidates' Debate, I think there is more entertainment in reading the frenetic reactions of PBers as they praise or condemn the point being made.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,289

    DavidL said:

    Penny really floundering. Painful

    I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
    No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691
    OnboardG1 said:

    This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence"
    This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.

    I think the real question is who is Reynolds and who is Armistead.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393

    Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.

    Interesting they are getting on so well. She clearly respects him and he’s not having a go at her at all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,037
    The good news is whoever winds up as PM will never have go through a debate and grilling like this. PMQs is just batting back insults, and if you are doing well you won't even need to go to GE debate.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,182
    Penny talks about simplifying tax returns for businesses but these days it is mostly done by computer, and there's no great benefit in making the computer's life easier.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272

    I do not think Penny has the ability to win an election.

    You've changed your tune.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,001
    Rish basically proposing to do nothing to help anyone? The Do Nothing Prime Minister?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sunak is clearly the best candidate, head and shoulders above the rest.

    I thought you were non-stupid until now
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,560
    Rishi - better than expected
    TT - solid
    Kemi - good
    Penny - disappointing
    Truss - dire.

    I don’t think anyones going to be able to keep me voting Tory at the next election on these performances. Well, Kemi might, but she won’t get it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,671
    So look, this is sooooo bad that the blue team really can't wait through the summer (as the government are on work to rule), or risk that the deviated old preverts that form the Tory membership choose one of the really awful candidates.

    So can the MPs just do a Sunak pile on so we can have him PM by this time next week? Please?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,167
    Rishi is very polished.
    He always has been.

    I’ll never forget how well he delivered his fiscal statement as Covid started, which he had to revise about two seconds later.

    He may be “across the detail” and “worried about the deficit”, but he has a born-to-rule arrogance and has been one of the less competent Chancellors - probably because he spent much of his time getting the right filters on his Instagram posts.

    He is a “hollow man”.
  • Penny I was a big fan of before tonight but I'm afraid she's proved the Mail right, she really is a complete lightweight.
  • Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,694
    Sunak is the most polished, in a predictable way. His trouble is, Truss is so bad he will surely be facing Mordaunt or Badenoch (and probably Mordaunt). And I still think he loses that one

    She is more appealing to ordinary Tories than the trillionaire midget Goldman Sachs alumnus
  • Vote Truss!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    I would still vote Penny as we can't risk Truss.

    But Rishi is obviously the best for the country.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
    She's worse than Corbyn.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    HYUFD said:

    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise

    Yeah but he appears credible and they don't. Your party is out of its mind if he isn't Prime Minister by September.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,571
    Leon said:

    Ooh, clever little kick in Rishi's shins, from Penny

    Why doesn't she just say

    "You don't get it you stupid billionaire dwarf"

    Because she can't string that many coherent words together without a speachwriter?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Rishi - better than expected
    TT - solid
    Kemi - good
    Penny - disappointing
    Truss - dire.

    I don’t think anyones going to be able to keep me voting Tory at the next election on these performances. Well, Kemi might, but she won’t get it.

    I want a TT and Bad Enoch pact
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,182
    kle4 said:

    The good news is whoever winds up as PM will never have go through a debate and grilling like this. PMQs is just batting back insults, and if you are doing well you won't even need to go to GE debate.

    Sad but true.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Rishi & Kemi leading this. Truss a long way behind.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,641

    Rishi - better than expected
    TT - solid
    Kemi - good
    Penny - disappointing
    Truss - dire.

    I don’t think anyones going to be able to keep me voting Tory at the next election on these performances. Well, Kemi might, but she won’t get it.

    Agree Truss is dire. This is not her format which is a shame because there are three or four more to come I think.

    PM seems to not be firing on all cylinders.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    ydoethur said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence"
    This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.

    I think the real question is who is Reynolds and who is Armistead.
    Hmm. Armistead led Pickett's Charge so probably Badenoch. Goes a long way and then dies on a poorly chosen hill. TT is Reynolds. Rides out in front of the enemy, immediately gunned down.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,694
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
    She's worse than Corbyn.
    She really really really isn't worse than an anti-Semitic IRA-loving quasi-Islamist Marxist traitor. Sorry
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691
    DavidL said:

    Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.

    Interesting they are getting on so well. She clearly respects him and he’s not having a go at her at all.
    Surely he wouldn't want her as Chancellor? Not straight from a MS job?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    HYUFD said:

    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise

    Yeah but he appears credible and they don't. Your party is out of its mind if he isn't Prime Minister by September.
    Sunak isn't winning a GE IMO.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    I think Truss is the worst one here.

    If it came down to her v. Rishi I'd go Rishi
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    Rish basically proposing to do nothing to help anyone? The Do Nothing Prime Minister?

    The I'm alright jack candidate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,037

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .

    Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
    Yeah and I want a Ferrari. Clearly Tory members are spoilt children.
    Perhaps so, but they are like the spoilt children whose parents dote on them and will fire those who upset their little darlings.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,317
    kle4 said:

    Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.

    That would be hilarious, given how it would require the others to drop quite a few MPs.

    I'm up to Tom talking about pushing things out the regions. Please just stop - its in all parties manifestoes every election but either never happens or happens in half arsed fashion. You all will want to centralise, just do that and do it well.
    Also, something like ambulance services are already very decentralised. I was in a study looking at the uptake of digital systems by ambulance services and all the regions are doing completely different things.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,289

    Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).

    Indeed, the most relevant comments on here are from Tory members or Tory MPs as we are the only ones who get to vote for them
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580

    Lay Truss kids.

    She's hopeless in this format

    You didn't need "in this format".
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
    She's worse than Corbyn.
    She really really really isn't worse than an anti-Semitic IRA-loving quasi-Islamist Marxist traitor. Sorry
    *Thinks hard*

    No, I'm still happy with my conclusion.

    I've also said she's worse than Iain Duncan Smith, Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot and Tony Benn.

    And now she's talking about energy and forgotten the really bold and effective choice - tidal.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,842
    Based on what we've seen, Truss, who I've backed, and Penny, who I haven't, risk be an embarrassing choice for the party and the country. Rishi so much better than both of them. Kemi remains an interesting outsider. TiT has no path to number 10 - so is irrelevant.

    I've had more on Rishi at 4.3 for next Tory leader.
  • jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise

    Yeah but he appears credible and they don't. Your party is out of its mind if he isn't Prime Minister by September.
    Sunak isn't winning a GE IMO.
    I don't think any of them are. But Sunak I think would probably avoid the culture wars and is vaguely competent.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,671
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Penny really floundering. Painful

    I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
    No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
    No, its the *voters* who are the only ones who matter in the end.

    When a mad party membership is left to indulge itself, you end up with Jeremy Corbyn. Or potentially Liz Truzz.

    Party members may be happy. Until you get crushed at the election.

    It isn't about you.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    You cannot be serious. Corbyn. And Labour put him up twice.

    But she’s still terrible.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,641

    Lay Truss kids.

    She's hopeless in this format

    You didn't need "in this format".
    I'm feeling generous as I am on my third glass of cote du rhone.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Penny really floundering. Painful

    I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
    No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
    You are just one member out of over 160,000 so you should qualify your comment with IMHO and if members who want a conservative government elect the wrong candidate then the party is heading into opposition
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,269
    edited July 2022

    Has to be Sunak.

    Watched it for five minutes and Sunak is coming across as a real world adult.

    And Truss looks like a vacuous idiot.
    I think the 'five minute test' has merit as that is how long the average voter is willing to watch politicians.

    Good to see everyone else also thinks that Truss is crap.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,167
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi - better than expected
    TT - solid
    Kemi - good
    Penny - disappointing
    Truss - dire.

    I don’t think anyones going to be able to keep me voting Tory at the next election on these performances. Well, Kemi might, but she won’t get it.

    I want a TT and Bad Enoch pact
    Would objectively be best for country.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,282

    Is Nadine Dorries watching C4?

    Yep, and she thinks Truss has NAILED IT.
    Mad Nad SAYS she thinks Truss nailed it. NOT exactly same thing? In her case, hard to tell!

    Some (or all?) on PB also spinning tonight, but at least appear cognizant that that's what they're (or we're) doing.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
    She's worse than Corbyn.
    She really really really isn't worse than an anti-Semitic IRA-loving quasi-Islamist Marxist traitor. Sorry
    *Thinks hard*

    No, I'm still happy with my conclusion.
    I'll give Leon 60% for that description (scraping a B) but even if it were 100%, yep better than Lady Big Hat.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    Truss keeps saying she gets things done but I cannot recall anything she has got done
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272

    Kemi struggling on tax questions.

    Yes, that's fair.

    She hasn't thought through properly "the money".
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Biggest loser given her position in the betting is Penny.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,018
    Farooq said:

    Truss is the perfect illustration of every Remainer-turned-Brexiter. Feeble-minded and spiritually hollow.

    Bit harsh on HYUFD.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,037
    I almost feel bad for whoever takes over, since even if they do a good job it may well be that inflation etc does for them and they end up as the shortest serving PM in decades.
  • Mundo said:

    Long time lurker, very occasional poster:

    I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.

    Close your eyes, he is Blair. You cannot unhear it
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,671
    HYUFD said:

    Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).

    Indeed, the most relevant comments on here are from Tory members or Tory MPs as we are the only ones who get to vote for them
    "Fuck the voters"
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    Hugh Fraser, John Redwood, Diane Abbott all wave hello.
    Er, Jeremy Corbyn???
    She's worse than Corbyn.
    She really really really isn't worse than an anti-Semitic IRA-loving quasi-Islamist Marxist traitor. Sorry
    Pint of warm goats piss Vs dogturd sandwich.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691

    jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise

    Yeah but he appears credible and they don't. Your party is out of its mind if he isn't Prime Minister by September.
    Sunak isn't winning a GE IMO.
    I don't think any of them are. But Sunak I think would probably avoid the culture wars and is vaguely competent.
    He is, in effect, the bear runner candidate.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/outrunning-the-bear-2011-10?r=US&IR=T
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,167

    Truss keeps saying she gets things done but I cannot recall anything she has got done

    In her defence (through gritted teeth), some roll over trade deals. Which was more than Liam Fox managed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,580
    DavidL said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    You cannot be serious. Corbyn. And Labour put him up twice.

    But she’s still terrible.
    No I'm with @ydoethur and CHB she is more dangerous than either Johnson or Corbyn. Now that is saying something!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,560
    On balance I’d still back Penny. But unfortunately she wasnt great.

    I hope this rightly consigns Truss to the dustbin though.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Lots of Con members won't have a clue re trans issue details so I doubt it'll cost Penny many votes.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Mundo said:

    Long time lurker, very occasional poster:

    I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.

    Close your eyes, he is Blair. You cannot unhear it
    Fine. Blair is better than any of the hot garbage from the last 12 years.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,282

    Lay Truss kids.

    She's hopeless in this format

    Will Truss show up on Sunday night? Or send Boris as her stand in aka alter ego?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    My order tonight

    Rishi
    Tom
    Kemi
    Penny
    Truss and a near terminal performance
  • Truss keeps saying she gets things done but I cannot recall anything she has got done

    Brexit?
    Cheese and pork markets?
    She’s finished her campaign tonight too
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,671
    DavidL said:

    Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.

    You cannot be serious. Corbyn. And Labour put him up twice.

    But she’s still terrible.
    There was no chance that Jezbollah become Prime Minister. Yet Truzz is in the running to be so in 2 months.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise

    Yeah but he appears credible and they don't. Your party is out of its mind if he isn't Prime Minister by September.
    Sunak isn't winning a GE IMO.
    I don't think any of them are. But Sunak I think would probably avoid the culture wars and is vaguely competent.
    Are you forgetting his performance as Chancellor? He has no answers to this cost of living crisis.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,001
    Rish annoying me with his hand movements. He's been studying old Tony Blair performances on YouTube hasn't he? ;)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,641
    Tom comes across as very knowledgable but rather world weary. Like an Oxford don who has seen it all and despairs that none of their ideas have ever been taken up.

    I quite like it, but I doubt I am typical.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,691

    Biggest loser given her position in the betting is Penny.

    Probably inevitable because she had nothing to gain and a huge amount to lose. She was popular by being an unknown quantity that people could project their hopes onto. Inevitable that if she doesn't smash it out of the park that bubble would pop.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    LOL at The Borrower pretending to think 1000£ is a lorra money
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,694
    GIN1138 said:

    Rish annoying me with his hand movements. He's been studying old Tony Blair performances on YouTube hasn't he? ;)

    Yes
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    Tugendhat is now 45/1

    That's fucking stupid. Lay.
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