This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.
So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.
Yup
You know as well as I do that if SKS were in the mix he would be coming 6th
Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .
Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence" This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.
Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.
That would be hilarious, given how it would require the others to drop quite a few MPs.
I'm up to Tom talking about pushing things out the regions. Please just stop - its in all parties manifestoes every election but either never happens or happens in half arsed fashion. You all will want to centralise, just do that and do it well.
This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.
So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.
Tugendhat isn't about to do a Lazarus, but if Truss is as transparently awful as the whole of PB is suggesting then Badenoch just might.
But most likely she goes as well, in which case I think she'll probably throw in her lot with Sunak.
I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.
So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
I’ll try to cope, sob. it’s not easy being thought less of but, you know, I’ll try.
Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .
Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
Yeah and I want a Ferrari. Clearly Tory members are spoilt children.
Sell Mordaunt: I think she’ll be disappointing her supporters. Sunak attacking her now very effectively.
Buy Badenoch as a trading bet. I still think she’s one for the future and will ultimately trade her success so far for a nice Cabinet position. She’s effective 2/3 of the time…
This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.
So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.
Yup
You know as well as I do that if SKS were in the mix he would be coming 6th
Instead of watching the Tax Cutters' Debate Candidates' Debate, I think there is more entertainment in reading the frenetic reactions of PBers as they praise or condemn the point being made.
I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence" This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.
I think the real question is who is Reynolds and who is Armistead.
The good news is whoever winds up as PM will never have go through a debate and grilling like this. PMQs is just batting back insults, and if you are doing well you won't even need to go to GE debate.
Penny talks about simplifying tax returns for businesses but these days it is mostly done by computer, and there's no great benefit in making the computer's life easier.
So look, this is sooooo bad that the blue team really can't wait through the summer (as the government are on work to rule), or risk that the deviated old preverts that form the Tory membership choose one of the really awful candidates.
So can the MPs just do a Sunak pile on so we can have him PM by this time next week? Please?
I’ll never forget how well he delivered his fiscal statement as Covid started, which he had to revise about two seconds later.
He may be “across the detail” and “worried about the deficit”, but he has a born-to-rule arrogance and has been one of the less competent Chancellors - probably because he spent much of his time getting the right filters on his Instagram posts.
Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).
Sunak is the most polished, in a predictable way. His trouble is, Truss is so bad he will surely be facing Mordaunt or Badenoch (and probably Mordaunt). And I still think he loses that one
She is more appealing to ordinary Tories than the trillionaire midget Goldman Sachs alumnus
The good news is whoever winds up as PM will never have go through a debate and grilling like this. PMQs is just batting back insults, and if you are doing well you won't even need to go to GE debate.
This morning: "There will be no blue on blue violence" This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.
I think the real question is who is Reynolds and who is Armistead.
Hmm. Armistead led Pickett's Charge so probably Badenoch. Goes a long way and then dies on a poorly chosen hill. TT is Reynolds. Rides out in front of the enemy, immediately gunned down.
Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .
Tory members want tax cuts, they are the deciding electorate he so far has failed to reach
Yeah and I want a Ferrari. Clearly Tory members are spoilt children.
Perhaps so, but they are like the spoilt children whose parents dote on them and will fire those who upset their little darlings.
Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.
That would be hilarious, given how it would require the others to drop quite a few MPs.
I'm up to Tom talking about pushing things out the regions. Please just stop - its in all parties manifestoes every election but either never happens or happens in half arsed fashion. You all will want to centralise, just do that and do it well.
Also, something like ambulance services are already very decentralised. I was in a study looking at the uptake of digital systems by ambulance services and all the regions are doing completely different things.
Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).
Indeed, the most relevant comments on here are from Tory members or Tory MPs as we are the only ones who get to vote for them
Based on what we've seen, Truss, who I've backed, and Penny, who I haven't, risk be an embarrassing choice for the party and the country. Rishi so much better than both of them. Kemi remains an interesting outsider. TiT has no path to number 10 - so is irrelevant.
I've had more on Rishi at 4.3 for next Tory leader.
I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
No, its the *voters* who are the only ones who matter in the end.
When a mad party membership is left to indulge itself, you end up with Jeremy Corbyn. Or potentially Liz Truzz.
Party members may be happy. Until you get crushed at the election.
I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
No it hasn't, for Tory members who are the only ones who matter in the end in deciding the next PM it is still tax rising Rishi, Truss doing her Thatcher tribute act and Penny standing above it with some targeted support on tax here or there. The only concern over Penny was trans but she answered those questions fine enough
You are just one member out of over 160,000 so you should qualify your comment with IMHO and if members who want a conservative government elect the wrong candidate then the party is heading into opposition
I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.
I almost feel bad for whoever takes over, since even if they do a good job it may well be that inflation etc does for them and they end up as the shortest serving PM in decades.
I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.
Close your eyes, he is Blair. You cannot unhear it
Might be difficult to assess betting odds here as to how a reasonably normal, intelligent person might react to the candidates, vs a) Tory MPs, b) Tory party members. E.g. the latter, when offered a choice between Ken Clarke and Ian Duncan Smith, chose Smith.... (not exactly electoral dynamite).
Indeed, the most relevant comments on here are from Tory members or Tory MPs as we are the only ones who get to vote for them
I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.
Close your eyes, he is Blair. You cannot unhear it
Fine. Blair is better than any of the hot garbage from the last 12 years.
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She's hopeless in this format
Tugendhat slaps down the other three by saying he didn't vote for NI and now says Johnson wanted it.
You know as well as I do that if SKS were in the mix he would be coming 6th
That's unfair. 5th=.
And Truss looks like a vacuous idiot.
IDK, there's something about Sunak that just doesn't sit right with me. Must be presentational, as what he says is usually well put together at least.
Is her jaw going to start dropping randomly?
It's way further back than that.
Penny stable at 2.08.
Truss 4.1 (was 3.7)
Sunak 4.3 (was 4.7)
So Sunak winning, Truss losing.
This afternoon: Shades of Gettysburg about the place. I'll let you decide who is Meade and who is Lee.
I'm up to Tom talking about pushing things out the regions. Please just stop - its in all parties manifestoes every election but either never happens or happens in half arsed fashion. You all will want to centralise, just do that and do it well.
But most likely she goes as well, in which case I think she'll probably throw in her lot with Sunak.
Buy Badenoch as a trading bet. I still think she’s one for the future and will ultimately trade her success so far for a nice Cabinet position. She’s effective 2/3 of the time…
Buy Sunak.
Rishi is the adult in the room
TT - solid
Kemi - good
Penny - disappointing
Truss - dire.
I don’t think anyones going to be able to keep me voting Tory at the next election on these performances. Well, Kemi might, but she won’t get it.
So can the MPs just do a Sunak pile on so we can have him PM by this time next week? Please?
He always has been.
I’ll never forget how well he delivered his fiscal statement as Covid started, which he had to revise about two seconds later.
He may be “across the detail” and “worried about the deficit”, but he has a born-to-rule arrogance and has been one of the less competent Chancellors - probably because he spent much of his time getting the right filters on his Instagram posts.
He is a “hollow man”.
She is more appealing to ordinary Tories than the trillionaire midget Goldman Sachs alumnus
But Rishi is obviously the best for the country.
PM seems to not be firing on all cylinders.
If it came down to her v. Rishi I'd go Rishi
No, I'm still happy with my conclusion.
I've also said she's worse than Iain Duncan Smith, Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot and Tony Benn.
And now she's talking about energy and forgotten the really bold and effective choice - tidal.
I've had more on Rishi at 4.3 for next Tory leader.
When a mad party membership is left to indulge itself, you end up with Jeremy Corbyn. Or potentially Liz Truzz.
Party members may be happy. Until you get crushed at the election.
It isn't about you.
But she’s still terrible.
Good to see everyone else also thinks that Truss is crap.
Some (or all?) on PB also spinning tonight, but at least appear cognizant that that's what they're (or we're) doing.
I’ve finally realized my issue with Sunak. He reminds me of Blair too much. On the one hand a serial winner, on the old hand a slimy supercilious turd.
She hasn't thought through properly "the money".
https://www.businessinsider.com/outrunning-the-bear-2011-10?r=US&IR=T
I hope this rightly consigns Truss to the dustbin though.
Rishi
Tom
Kemi
Penny
Truss and a near terminal performance
Cheese and pork markets?
She’s finished her campaign tonight too