Can someone - anyone - just say "the NHS is an OK health service but let's stop wanking on about it like it is Jesus, you craven craven idiots"
Once someone says “the UK is an OK developed unitary state but let's stop wanking on about it like it is Jesus, you craven craven idiots" that’ll open the floodgates of measured realism.
On the other hand, Starmer is worse than several of them
*yay*
No and not really, just the one.
Starmer is fairly shit. Sorry. But he is, and let us not forget this. He only got the job because so many more talented players fled the field during the Corbyn Terror
Starmer would be worried by the working class female Mordaunt, he might struggle against BME woman Badenoch, or not (because she is such a wildcard). He would be certainly equalled by Sunak (and probably outfoxed on financial matters)
He'd only be truly confident against Tugendhat (posh white inexperienced soldier, easy easy) or the ridiculous Truss
Keir Starmer is working class, why are you so dishonest?
I do try to be nice to you, but please stop putting words in my mouth. At no point did I deny that Starmer is Working Class (tho actually I would say he is lower middle class: like Mordaunt - I was using shorthand)
Angela Rayner is authentic working class
I misread your post, I will apologise.
But Starmer is working class, he fits the definition based on upbringing.
Apology accepted
Thankyou
For what is is worth, I agree with the consensus on here, both are lower middle class, borderline working class
It is sad that Britain is still saddled with these near-Indian type caste definitions, but we are, for now
And if it comes to a revolution, right now I am on the side of the communards. Enough of the fucking posh boys. Enough Camerons, Johnsons and Sunaks. I want someone from the barrios in Number 10. We've had enough Etonians for a generation
Starmer is a lawyer. Middle Class. But I accept that Horse was talking about his upbringing. But my understanding was that Starmer's father owned a small toolmaking firm. That strikes me as a middle class ba0
...ckground? Though granted I do not know the finer details. And it doesn't matter hugely.
On the other hand, Starmer is worse than several of them
*yay*
No and not really, just the one.
Starmer is fairly shit. Sorry. But he is, and let us not forget this. He only got the job because so many more talented players fled the field during the Corbyn Terror
Starmer would be worried by the working class female Mordaunt, he might struggle against BME woman Badenoch, or not (because she is such a wildcard). He would be certainly equalled by Sunak (and probably outfoxed on financial matters)
He'd only be truly confident against Tugendhat (posh white inexperienced soldier, easy easy) or the ridiculous Truss
Keir Starmer is working class, why are you so dishonest?
Starmer is clearly middle class. Do you mean he had a working class upbringing?
Rishi was pretty sharp but if he's so clever why didn't he take apart Truss's plan on refinancing the national debt - which I understand would cost more in the long run
Tom was okay but for a military man he was a little too smooth.
Penny a bit disappointing. Has she fallen into the trap of playing it safe? Simplify the tax system. How?
Kemi quite interesting but lacks experience
Liz didn't speak too badly but she's terribly wooden. I struggle to see her as PM.
This tv debate: Rishi Blair best, Maggie Truss worst, but the main thing coming over to me is that all 5 would be absolutely fabulous PMs compared to the previous bloke.
How on earth did the Cons ever think it was ok to foist him on the country? They'll be hoping that question doesn't occur to too many of the electorate.
That's a completely idiotic soundbite. One of the innovations is X-ray Tomography which is the basis of CT scanning. It's demonstrably false.
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, Coherent Light Emission, transistors...
NMR is at least an American innovation, so not in that list of 180. Though as CHB points out, the NHS uses the web and it's absolutely number one on the list.
Sir Peter Mansfield shared a Nobel Prize for that. Based at University of Nottingham. Used in the NHS.
Even if we are just talking COVID, and ignoring the most AZ vaccine, there is the innovative use of mass data from the NHS for a number of innovations, that use of mass data itself, the viral sequencing programme, the ability to do more rapid research than almost anywhere, the discovery of dexamethasone as a treatment to ease the symptoms for people on ventilators, and plenty more.
This tv debate: Rishi Blair best, Maggie Truss worst, but the main thing coming over to me is that all 5 would be absolutely fabulous PMs compared to the previous bloke.
How on earth did the Cons ever think it was ok to foist him on the country? They'll be hoping that question doesn't occur to too many of the electorate.
As a Conservative member I completely agree with you. I voted for Jeremy Hunt last time but I didn't think Boris would be quite as bad as he turned out.
On the other hand, Starmer is worse than several of them
*yay*
No and not really, just the one.
Starmer is fairly shit. Sorry. But he is, and let us not forget this. He only got the job because so many more talented players fled the field during the Corbyn Terror
Starmer would be worried by the working class female Mordaunt, he might struggle against BME woman Badenoch, or not (because she is such a wildcard). He would be certainly equalled by Sunak (and probably outfoxed on financial matters)
He'd only be truly confident against Tugendhat (posh white inexperienced soldier, easy easy) or the ridiculous Truss
Keir Starmer is working class, why are youso dishonest?
Each to his station in life, right? No opportunity to improve yourself through talent and hard work?
Starmer is not working class. He may have been born into the lower middle class/skilled working class but he has absolutely succeeded in life and by any standards in upper middle class
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So it's just dire for Truss.
“Kemi nervous and not ready. Only has one policy”
“Tug annoys with his constant military references. But could be PM I suppose”.
Tom was okay but for a military man he was a little too smooth.
Penny a bit disappointing. Has she fallen into the trap of playing it safe? Simplify the tax system. How?
Kemi quite interesting but lacks experience
Liz didn't speak too badly but she's terribly wooden. I struggle to see her as PM.
How on earth did the Cons ever think it was ok to foist him on the country? They'll be hoping that question doesn't occur to too many of the electorate.
Starmer is not working class. He may have been born into the lower middle class/skilled working class but he has absolutely succeeded in life and by any standards in upper middle class