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How will the Tory betting look after tonight’s TV debate? – politicalbetting.com

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Ah, a left-wing political speech from the audience.

    Yawn.

    Is she wrong?
    No.

    Whether there is anyone with the power to do anything who will do anything is another question.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    A load of waffle from TT on services .
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569

    Let's cancel the leftie, that's what we want right?

    I don't understand why this isn't a Tory members only thing?!

    Or Tory MPs. 🍿
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Tugendhat is polished but a bit stiff.

    He'd have done well running in 2005. Not now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    edited July 2022

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
  • Kemi is clearly going to back Rishi.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Tom talking utter drivel on cuts to public services
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Fizzy goes for Rishi
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Pendolino is being hit by a train

    "That's right. Run over, just like a freight train, only with a *bull*, it's worse! Cause a freight train don't back up and finish the job. Later on I'll show you the proper way to lie on the stretcher when they come to pick you up."
  • Rishi has probably argued his way back into the running, just about.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    ydoethur said:

    Immediately Tugendhat fails with his answer. He didn't start with 'yes.'

    Remember Ed M being asked about Labour spending too much, saying No and getting gasps? Classic error - I recall reading he had a prepared response which answered in depth and concluded in the negative, because you need to set the stage first. You can always say 'Yes, but', if you need to seem like answering in the affirmative to something even if you are not.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Kemi's teeth are awful.

    If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.

    Ha! I take the opposite view. People who (unnecessarily) get their teeth straightened don't have the right priorities in life.
    This debate is positively fizzing with exciting ideas as to how to take our country forward, and you think we should just choose the one with the worst teeth??
    No, just that Kemi’s teeth are fine. TSE is a snob.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    I think only TiT or Sunak would actually be good at running the country.

    Kemi only one to have a chance to trounce Labour.

    Mordaunt very...whiny?

    And now Truss fully malfunctions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    edited July 2022

    Ah, a left-wing political speech from the audience.

    Yawn.

    Casino in ‘only a minority of voters are Tories’ shock realisation….
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Liz ‘the kids will pay for it’ Truss
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    Put more money into debt. What the hell does that mean? Truss is embarrassing
  • Kemi would be a very good LOTO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Tom talking utter drivel on cuts to public services

    Makes for a change from most MPs...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Liz drowning. Her presentational skills are woeful.



  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    edited July 2022

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I' m impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs' doing well and saying it as it is. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    I suspect Tugendhat's real goal is a seat in the cabinet - Defence, Foreign Affairs, or possibly the Treasury.

    He clearly isn't suited to the last based on that answer, but whoever wins he's doing no harm to his chances of getting one of the first two.

    Especially with Truss imploding.

    Sunak doing much better here. He's giving it pretty straight. If only he was like this all the time.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Funnily enough, I’m warming back to Rishi tbh. Seems most competent
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498

    Tugendhat is polished but a bit stiff.

    He'd have done well running in 2005. Not now.

    Career-wise he probably made a tactical mistake by staying on the backbenches and trying to be a maverick.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Kemi's teeth are awful.

    If she cannot be bothered to look after her teeth she will not look after her country.

    Ha! I take the opposite view. People who (unnecessarily) get their teeth straightened don't have the right priorities in life.
    This debate is positively fizzing with exciting ideas as to how to take our country forward, and you think we should just choose the one with the worst teeth??
    No, just that Kemi’s teeth are fine. TSE is a snob.
    Strong working class credentials. My teeth were expensive to sort out.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437

    Funnily enough, I’m warming back to Rishi tbh. Seems most competent

    Same
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320

    Rishi has probably argued his way back into the running, just about.

    He should be, but this is the Conservative Party.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039

    Leon said:

    This Tugendhat c*nt has a French mother, FFS

    NO. NO NO NO

    Bit strong mate. It's ok to have French ancestry.
    It was a joke you daft apeth
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,701
    edited July 2022
    In all honesty, Sunak is the most credible PM by miles.
  • People were right, Penny is going to get found and implode under any scrutiny
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Debt is debt.

    That's the zinger from Sunak.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Sunak passionate on inflation to be good.

    Gets applause.
  • MikeL said:

    In all honesty, Sunak is the most credible PM by miles.

    Yes I agree.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Sunak warming up.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Truss talking about unfunded debt and Sunak is rightly hammering her to pieces on inflation. Good round of applause for him.

    And now Truss saying she will not cause inflation by borrowing. Brown on fecking steroids.
  • Rishi I think will be favourite again by the end of the evening.

    What a disappointment from Penny, sigh
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Fair assessment so far
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Sunak very good on inflation. Links it to mortgages. Brilliant answer (from a Tory perspective)

    Truss now going after BoE, money supply? Wtf
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Truss tanking
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Kemi has surely been re-watching Clegg against Cammo and Brown?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.

    So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    You can tell Rishi is very comfortable on monetary policy.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191

    Kemi would be a very good LOTO.

    Only in the same way Jezza was.

    Some potentially interesting ideas, makes the party feel good, but fundamentally wrong and leading the party further away from electability.

    Bigger question- is the main winner tonight Boris?
  • Rishi is the most credible candidate on CoL and the main issues of the day.

    The Tories could do worse.

    I think Penny is an empty vessel I'm afraid.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    The trade off point from Kemi is a very grown up position.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    The risk was always that the amateurs would be crushed by the more experienced Sunak.

    The sad thing is, he has no plan for the country whatsoever. The others are at least aware the country needs a reboot.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Kemi talks about Carers.

    She gets my vote.

    Nailed on. Fantastic. At last.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Sunak passionate on inflation to be good.

    Gets applause.

    He's right though. That's all the public are interested in. If this were a general election debate he'd be home and dry. Sadly, er. Yeah. Selectorate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Rishi I think will be favourite again by the end of the evening.

    What a disappointment from Penny, sigh

    He is coming across as by far the best. Although KB and TT have had their moments.

    I mean, that's a bit like saying somebody is the least stupid person at the DfE. In this field, he always was the best candidate. But as @Big_G_NorthWales has been constantly saying, he also looks like an improvement on the current encumbrance, which is important.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    IshmaelZ said:

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
    Yes, it’s depressing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    nico679 said:

    Sunak is I’m afraid to say the only candidate that looks like they could cope with the PM job . On taxes he’s coming across very well and Truss looks clueless .

    She is utterly drowning on the big stage.

    Fish on the river bank, gasping for air.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    IshmaelZ said:

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
    I wouldn't vote for the short trousered weasel, but compared to the remaining four, he is head and shoulders better.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Mordaunt is BORING
  • Has to be Sunak.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Eabhal said:

    Sunak very good on inflation. Links it to mortgages. Brilliant answer (from a Tory perspective)

    Truss now going after BoE, money supply? Wtf

    Truss's faux Thatcherite monetarism might go down well with, well, Thatcherites who must represent a fair chunk of this electorate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Do we think MPs will actually watch these debates, or are they just waiting to see public/member polling on them?
  • Is Nadine Dorries watching C4?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Badenoch very good there, but answer too long.

    Mordaunt going big on social care and trying to show leg on Brexit - one eye to the members vote.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Eabhal said:

    Mordaunt is BORING

    If you want boring, vote for Tit.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    Penny now thinking the Brexit unicorn will deliver . She gets marked down for polishing this turd too much .
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Is Nadine Dorries watching C4?

    Yep, and she thinks Truss has NAILED IT.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Penny is going to get stuck

    I suspect there has been a sigh of relief in Chez Starmer today. Penny has been poor.

    So on to the debate, Rishi has been very polished, I am impressed with his presentation. Tommy Tugs is doing well and saying it as it is, ocassionally floudering. Badenoch, a little nervous, but quite strident and impressive. Penny struggling and Truss, absolutely FOS.
    Sunak is SUCH a phoney. I downmark every PBer who falls for his shtick
    I wouldn't vote for the short trousered weasel, but compared to the remaining four, he is head and shoulders better.
    I would rather the country fail with any of the rest than succeed with Smarmi or Liz
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    Penny really floundering. Painful
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    I would be amazed if Rishi does not win this

    Penny disappoints and as for Truss please no
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    ydoethur said:

    Truss talking about unfunded debt and Sunak is rightly hammering her to pieces on inflation. Good round of applause for him.

    And now Truss saying she will not cause inflation by borrowing. Brown on fecking steroids.

    She's right though: and will instead cause inflation through printing money. Completely different.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Penny sounds reasonable but is tending not to address the question.
  • Penny doesn't have a hope in hell of winning now.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Hard to think there is anyone other than Sunak tbh
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Raising income tax thresholds in line with inflation to get more tax revenue?

    Ffs, devastatingly incompetent. Someone explain fiscal drag to these people.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    Anyone not backing Rishi after this just isn’t serious.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282

    The risk was always that the amateurs would be crushed by the more experienced Sunak.

    The sad thing is, he has no plan for the country whatsoever. The others are at least aware the country needs a reboot.

    Rishi thinks the answer to everything is balance the books and the rest will come.

    Don't get me wrong, it's important, but communicates no empathy or sense as to what his long term vision is.
  • Theresa May would outperform this miserable mob
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    Maybe after all that it will be a choice between Sunak and Badenoch.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056

    Is Nadine Dorries watching C4?

    She thinks all the Tory candidates have been replaced by actors.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Mordaunt talks about more money coming into the exchequer, when there isn't. and clearly struggling with grasping what's going on. Only Sunak seems to understand the problems.

    If this becomes a referendum on the economy it will be ironic if the Chancellor is the key beneficiary.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Sunak knows the numbers and it shows.

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.

    So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.

    Castratofuck?

    I love that word!
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    Sunak is destroying the rest of the candidates on taxes . Now Truss is talking about low tax zones ! Wtf .
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Eabhal said:

    Sunak very good on inflation. Links it to mortgages. Brilliant answer (from a Tory perspective)

    Truss now going after BoE, money supply? Wtf

    Truss's faux Thatcherite monetarism might go down well with, well, Thatcherites who must represent a fair chunk of this electorate.
    And this is why its a catastrofuck. Whilst the audience watch this and wince at how awful the loons are, HY et all has a moist moment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    DavidL said:

    Anyone not backing Rishi after this just isn’t serious.

    The Conservative Party?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Ooh, clever little kick in Rishi's shins, from Penny

    Why doesn't she just say

    "You don't get it you stupid billionaire dwarf"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Sunak - Truss crossover incoming
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Kemi gives consistently superb and intelligent answers to every question. And very human ones too.

    Brilliant.

    Badenoch pretends telling platitudes is telling hard truths.

    Nevertheless this format isn't particularly revealing
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Eabhal said:

    Raising income tax thresholds in line with inflation to get more tax revenue?

    Ffs, devastatingly incompetent. Someone explain fiscal drag to these people.

    Is that... seriously what someone suggested? That's the opposite of getting more tax revenue (and the OBR has pointed out tax cuts don't pay for themselves).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Penny and Liz doing a pincer movement against Rishi on tax and Tugendhat also said he would have voted against the NI rise
  • Rish! has forgotten his t!e
  • Sunak is clearly the best candidate, head and shoulders above the rest.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    DavidL said:

    Penny really floundering. Painful

    I did in response to @HYUFD say tonight will have a big impact and it is
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,346
    ...
    ydoethur said:

    Mordaunt talks about more money coming into the exchequer, when there isn't. and clearly struggling with grasping what's going on. Only Sunak seems to understand the problems.

    If this becomes a referendum on the economy it will be ironic if the Chancellor is the key beneficiary.

    There is.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    OOOHOOOH!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    DavidL said:

    Anyone not backing Rishi after this just isn’t serious.

    I've been singing his praises to you lot for nearly 2 years...
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Rishi looking far better than than Penny or Liz. I've put some cash on him.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Hahaha, Truss to go after pensions for tech investment. Dementia tax round 2.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Lay Truss kids.

    She's hopeless in this format
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss talking about unfunded debt and Sunak is rightly hammering her to pieces on inflation. Good round of applause for him.

    And now Truss saying she will not cause inflation by borrowing. Brown on fecking steroids.

    She's right though: and will instead cause inflation through printing money. Completely different.
    AIUI - correct me if I'm wrong - our government's current borrowing is in effect printed money.

    Tugendhat slaps down the other three by saying he didn't vote for NI and now says Johnson wanted it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Tit two footed on Sunak. 🍿
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    This is a catastrofuck for the Tories. We are seeing just how drained the talent pool is. And they have spent this week going after various desperate bets - PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!!! And she's already demolished herself. Truss? A zombie and delusional when she coms out of her Thatcher seance.

    So. Sunak. vs either Kemi or Tuggy.

    Yup

    You know as well as I do that if SKS were in the mix he would be coming 6th

    That's unfair. 5th=.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,556

    Has to be Sunak.

    Watched it for five minutes and Sunak is coming across as a real world adult.

    And Truss looks like a vacuous idiot.
  • Truss has be the worst potential PM of the last fifty years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Sunak smashing it.

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