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  • Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    Oh.

    I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.

    When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471

    So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....
    He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.

    Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
    Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?

    Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.
    Does the PM now have to leave Downing Street if he wants to get pissed?!
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    TOPPING said:

    The whole premise of "changing the way No.10 runs" is flawed. It implies that the only thing that has changed is the fact that he got caught.

    No, it allows him to put the blame somewhere other than the place where 100% of the blame sits which is at Boris.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,337
    .@RuthDavidsonPC says to me that faced with potential criminality in 12 events including one in his own flat, any other prime minister would resign. She says he’s degrading the office and contrasted him to the “dignity” of Theresa May
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1488192923791466496
  • Amusing response from a Tory MP quoting a constituent "he's a wally but 100,000 Russians have just turned up, why are we talking about cake".

    I'm guessing she's friendly to the PM then, though willing to call him a wally.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    It’s very hard to read.

    For every simmering Tory, there another patsy who clearly have lost any moral sensibility they once might have had.

    My gut tells me that Boris’s response to Keir in particular was so sickeningly shameless and mendacious that it is has guaranteed a VONC.

    But my head says, do not underestimate the utter cravenness of the Tory Party.

    As an aside, Priti Patel looks very…sober, whereas Raab shared a little giggle with Boris earlier.

    Perhaps Ms Patel can see an imminent return to the backbenches in her near future? ;)

    We can always hope...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,503
    edited January 2022
    Wow. The clown effectively accuses someone on Labour’s front bench of being regularly on drugs.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,651

    malcolmg said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Hoyle is the worst speaker in history , a weak lickspittle.
    No way. Martin was truly horrific.
    He's not great, but certainly better than Michael Martin who was totally out of his depth, and I think, better than Bercow because Bercow allowed himself to become a Dickensian pantomime caricature, and was so obviously biased and arbitrary. A Speaker should be acceptable to both sides and Bercow wasn't.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story

    Andrew Mitchell withdraws support

    Boris is on his way out

    Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.
    Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.
    The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.
    Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurate
    Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077

    Heathener said:

    Oh.

    I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.

    When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471

    So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....
    He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.

    Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
    He will feel he looks majestic astride his tank facing off the Russian Army tomorrow, and Tory backbenchers will swoon.
    I think this is correct.

    The Daily Mail will (maybe) wade in behind him overnight with another of its 'THIS is what really matters' headlines.

    What cautions me slightly against thinking he'll get away with it though is

    1. He has really peed off the right (again) especially over the NI increase

    and

    2. Dominic Cummings. I'm not sure we've heard the last from him. Could be some further leaks imminently?
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    What the hell was that drug-taking comment?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411

    TOPPING said:

    Absolutely blistering from Aaron Bell.

    He joins the very small and highly select number of conservative MPs for whom I would vote regardless if he were standing in my constituency.

    He's unlikely to be re-elected at the next GE but perhaps PB could start a Campaign to Re-Elect Aaron Bell [CREAB].
    I'm not convinced he'll run if Boris is still in charge, he clearly has no confidence in him and can happily live in a career outside politics.
    I think he wants to get Walley's quarry sorted on a constituency level though.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What is that purple star trek looking thing MPs have on their lapels?

    The Holocaust Memorial Day pin, I think.
    Ah thks
    I switched on the TV and they're not wearing them any more so you've managed to troll Holocaust Memorial Day.

    Top Work!
    Congrats, you have just answered my question to myself, Is there a bigger prick in the world than Boris Johnson, in the affirmative.

    Simon Baynes at 1632 is wearing one, and why would I be asking what it was, if I knew, you utter dildo?
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    'Does the prime minister think I'm a fool?'

    Tory MP Aaron Bell says only ten people could attend his grandmother's funeral in May 2020 - when there were two alleged lockdown-breaching gatherings at Downing Street
    https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-31/sue-gray-report-condemns-serious-failure-in-number-10-to-observe-rules https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1488189476685893639/video/1

    He looked not just furious after he sat down but on the verge of tears.

    As well he might be. Not just because of the emotion of recalling his family's loss. But realising that the PM's behaviour could well cost him his seat at the next election.

    I don't mean that in a sarky way. Realising you and your family and your party and your voters, for whom you are working hard, have been let down by someone whom you should have been able to trust is a really awful experience.

    No wonder he looked thunderous.
    Newcastle-under-Lyme is about the most likely council loss for the Tories in May's elections.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.

    I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.

    The Eddie Mair "You're a nasty piece of work" interview was 2013.

    Anyone paying any attention at all since the 1990's knew what they were getting when they promoted Boris.
    The Conservative Party knew what it was getting into. They deserve everything heading their way.
  • Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618

    Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-11643572945

    Yes, astute move go draw the sting.

    Good article in the Atlantic about his show from 2019:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/08/my-joe-rogan-experience/594802/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited January 2022

    Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-11643572945

    I watched his actual video, it isn't actually apologising for anything. He doubled down on the academic qualifications of the two anti-vax scientists he had on.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,322

    I'm sorry but you are not fit to be an MP if you wear a sweater like that in the House of Commons.

    Absolutely agree. I thought she was a small child who had snuck in from a day trip to parliament.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,337
    NEW: Scotland Yard says its request for details of events being investigated not to be included in Gray report will drop once probe is complete.

    In other words... there's nothing from the Met to stop the full Gray evidence coming out then (potentially including photos). https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488193553243254789/photo/1
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Anyway;

    I'm sure we can all agree - much more entertaining than a boring UN Security Council meeting.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    Oh.

    I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.

    When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471

    So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....
    He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.

    Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
    Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?

    Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.
    Very good point
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Pro_Rata said:

    dixiedean said:

    The residents of Stourbridge must be delighted to be told they aren't interested.

    They may also think his premiership needs to be consigned to Ned's Atomic Dustbin.
    Who was that Toady for Stourbridge? Sounded like a dreadful person.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited January 2022

    I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.

    I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.

    The Eddie Mair "You're a nasty piece of work" interview was 2013.

    Anyone paying any attention at all since the 1990's knew what they were getting when they promoted Boris.
    The biggest Conservative general election victory since Tory MPs toppled Mrs Thatcher in 1990, yes
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,743
    stjohn said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    So the
    @metpolice
    are investigating a gathering in the Prime Minister's flat on 13 November.

    Lethal news.

    https://twitter.com/robinkellett/status/1488156852122796039

    The day Cummings was dismissed!
    Did the drinks involve whisky and a revolver?
  • Leaving aside our own views, do we think that MPs who have been on the fence will have shifted either way? Really hard to tell, but the absence of anyone saying so is perhaps telling.

    The public, it seems to me, are now bored by the detail, but have a settled, hostile view of the Government's position. Johnson started on the right note, but by the time he'd wheeled off into Brexit and vaccination and Jimmy Saville he was back in his natural rumbustious mode. I honestly think that for most people it simply doesn't work any more.

    Fatty Arbuckle had similar problem, when HIS public decided that the Funny Man was just a sick joke.
  • Boris seems to give particularly short shrift to questions from young female MPs.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    IshmaelZ said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What is that purple star trek looking thing MPs have on their lapels?

    The Holocaust Memorial Day pin, I think.
    Ah thks
    I switched on the TV and they're not wearing them any more so you've managed to troll Holocaust Memorial Day.

    Top Work!
    Congrats, you have just answered my question to myself, Is there a bigger prick in the world than Boris Johnson, in the affirmative.

    Simon Baynes at 1632 is wearing one, and why would I be asking what it was, if I knew, you utter dildo?
    You might have been a Level 3 Playa
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Who is this deranged harpie that claims that the “small boats crisis” is the most urgent thing for the country.

    Is a lobotomy necessary to succeed in the Tory party?

    No. A complete lack of understanding, empathy and respect will do.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    The back bench "hear hears" in response to Tory MP softballs getting feebler....

    Yes, that was very noticeable as time went on. They’ve had the wind knocked out of them once too often.
  • The government whips seem to have run out of Conservative MPs willing to stand up and defend the Prime Minister now.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1488194101812117509
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited January 2022
    Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266
    Boris has a habit of burbling about drugs when under pressure. Remember his Labour want to legalise all class A drugs at PMQ'S?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Heathener said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW Senior Tory MP - not one or the usual critics - tells me: “That was a car crash. A lot of colleagues were waiting for the report to be published [before submitting letters of no confidence]. They may not wait now. He is is own worst enemy.” #SueGrayReport
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1488190396094111748

    I still can't believe Priti Patel nodding in agreement with Sir Keir Starmer.

    Blimey.

    I might not be quite so scathing about her from now on.
    She has been awfully quiet in the last few weeks and days. She notably did not come to Cummings support either when everyone else did.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Chris said:

    It’s very hard to read.

    For every simmering Tory, there another patsy who clearly have lost any moral sensibility they once might have had.

    My gut tells me that Boris’s response to Keir in particular was so sickeningly shameless and mendacious that it is has guaranteed a VONC.

    But my head says, do not underestimate the utter cravenness of the Tory Party.

    As an aside, Priti Patel looks very…sober, whereas Raab shared a little giggle with Boris earlier.

    Don't underestimate their cravenness, but also don't underestimate their instinct to keep their jobs.
    Like mussels. Invertebrate but very firmly glued to the substrate.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    Lol, complete cock up on 5Live. Talking to a woman in Hartlepool about Johnson. She made very reasonable points and then the interviewer says “you voted conservative last time, might this affect your decision next time?”. She answers “I’m sorry, I didn’t vote Conservative last time.”

    I doubt she voted Brexit Party.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    HYUFD said:

    Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash

    In that case he really is ****ed!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,459
    UNLESS

    He is confident that he has broken no law and thinks that not having broken a law (as opposed to the guidelines, rules, etc) he is golden. But also perhaps realising as the afternoon proceeds that people aren't angry with him on a technicality.
  • TOPPING said:

    UNLESS

    He is confident that he has broken no law and thinks that not having broken a law (as opposed to the guidelines, rules, etc) he is golden. But also perhaps realising as the afternoon proceeds that people aren't angry with him on a technicality.

    Any adulterer will tell you they convince themselves that it really isn't cheating and it is the other half's fault for making you cheat.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266
    PM meeting all Tory Maps at 6.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Commiserations to @Tissue_Price on losing his grandmother during the pandemic and being taken for a fool by a PM who didn't stick by the rules that prevented gatherings, including those of mourners grieving together.

    Very powerful and moving contribution.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997
    edited January 2022
    Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,479

    Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench

    If Blackford accusing Johnson of misleading the House is worthy of being hurled out of the HoC. Is accusing the opposition front bench of being smack-heads not unparliamentary?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Got my CNN on now.

    If there's going to be a war I'll let you all know (I might be a bit slow in reporting it though cus I'm listening to my indie pop)
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    edited January 2022

    Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?

    Putin.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench

    Whataboutery. Hmmm… what does that usually mean?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    She goes to the press
  • The back bench "hear hears" in response to Tory MP softballs getting feebler....

    Yes, that was very noticeable as time went on. They’ve had the wind knocked out of them once too often.
    Usually these sessions get progressively less effective but that didn't happen here. The sheer persistence of the critics and his inability to say anything but 'Wait for the Fuzz to tell me what I did' made him appear pathetic.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story

    Andrew Mitchell withdraws support

    Boris is on his way out

    Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.
    Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.
    The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.
    Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurate
    Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.
    Plus he now gets to spin a narrative something along these lines:
    You lie to parliament, the Queen, your ministers, the Speaker, the House, and the country, and the establishment rallies around you. You tell the truth in House, and they throw you out for the day. Westminster is borked, independence is the answer.

    Blackford knew what he was doing, and today's clip is in the bank for future use.
    Especially as he offered to say 'inadvertently misled', which takes care of the mens rea issue.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    Sex. That's why.

    Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.

    Which could very well be true, of course.

    Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,337
    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,851
    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    Oh.

    I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.

    When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471

    So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....
    He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.

    Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
    Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?

    Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.
    What does Carrie have to say about that, eh?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story

    Andrew Mitchell withdraws support

    Boris is on his way out

    Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.
    Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.
    The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.
    Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurate
    Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.
    Plus he now gets to spin a narrative something along these lines:
    You lie to parliament, the Queen, your ministers, the Speaker, the House, and the country, and the establishment rallies around you. You tell the truth in House, and they throw you out for the day. Westminster is borked, independence is the answer.

    Blackford knew what he was doing, and today's clip is in the bank for future use.
    Indeed. A bit "feart" of him not to go the whole hog though.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    dixiedean said:

    PM meeting all Tory Maps at 6.

    I do hope he's going to draw bridges all over these Maps. 😀
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,141
    Pretty good.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,254

    Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?

    I do (as long as he doesn't come back).
  • Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,490

    Greg Smith is a [moderated].

    What did he say? I missed it
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    Sex. That's why.

    Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.

    Which could very well be true, of course.

    Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
    Hmm. I was thinking more of loyalty, actually. But it's such an obvious way of deflecting things that I'm surprised they haven't already agreed to try it. Though come to think of if the relentless Tory attacks on Mrs Bercow would put anyone off the idea.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,337
    Labour MP @YasinForBedford asks Boris Johnson about this story: prime minister says it is 'completely ridiculous' to say he is corrupt https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1487066825066172424
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash

    One of the original “Bastards” identified by John Major, the last decent Tory PM.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132

    Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench

    There's been a few "wows" at the PM's comments from you today, Big G.

    Is he taking you by surprise with his utter shamelessness?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792

    He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618

    Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?

    A one way ticket would be fine!
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,841
    Boris running out of bluster.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Scott_xP said:

    Labour MP @YasinForBedford asks Boris Johnson about this story: prime minister says it is 'completely ridiculous' to say he is corrupt https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1487066825066172424

    Mr J did get his Brexity PM-ship by going on about bananas. Though we are not yet a republic.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,479
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792

    He is Britain Trump.

    His defence was very robust today. He clearly doesn't believe he has done anything wrong.
  • Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-11643572945

    What a pussy.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    Sex. That's why.

    Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.

    Which could very well be true, of course.

    Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
    Hmm. I was thinking more of loyalty, actually. But it's such an obvious way of deflecting things that I'm surprised they haven't already agreed to try it. Though come to think of if the relentless Tory attacks on Mrs Bercow would put anyone off the idea.
    Well, it could be loyalty of course. But ultimately he's the PM and he should have ensured that they as a family did what everyone else tried to do.

    None of these explanations will work now. Though they might have done right at the start if accompanied by genuine contrition.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997

    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792

    He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.
    If the PM is fined it won't just be one £100. Lord Brownlow best get his chequebook ready.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited January 2022

    Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505

    Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.

    Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792

    Yep because Boris won't resign the only way he is leaving is if / when he is forced to do so either by Tory MPs (unlikely by the looks of it) or by the public at the next General Election.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    She goes to the press
    Yepp. Carrie knows where all the bodies are buried.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    stjohn said:

    Boris running out of bluster.

    He’s unfit. Not just morally, but physically. He’s got no stamina.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    "Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi tests positive for Covid"

    Well, that's one way of getting out of cheering Johnson's statement.
  • HYUFD said:

    Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505

    Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.

    Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
    Starmer now leading Sunak by 1% on best PM as well though, 39% to 38%.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    HYUFD said:

    Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505

    Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.

    Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
    Hm. That doesn't take into account Mr Johnson's scintillating performance at PMQ today.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    I think Hoyle's problem is that he and everyone else nows Boris has lied to the house but there isn't 100% clear unavoidable evidence to say as much yet.

    Which means Parliament can't do anything about it. Personally I would be given Blackford a 9 day ban - because it would leave 10+ days as the only possible punishment when Boris is found to be lying and 10 days triggers a recall petition.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997
    Farooq said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792

    He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.
    If the PM is fined it won't just be one £100. Lord Brownlow best get his chequebook ready.
    £100 is about 2.6 minutes work if you're, say, a highly-paid Telegraph columnist.
    Yes, if he's resigned and isn't still blustering it out!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    Sex. That's why.

    Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.

    Which could very well be true, of course.

    Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
    I wish I was educated enough to know what a Feydeau farce was. I refuse to google every five minutes.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,503
    Aaron Bell being replayed in full on R4 PM
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505

    Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.

    Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
    Hm. That doesn't take into account Mr Johnson's scintillating performance at PMQ today.
    If the 1922 bottle it tonight then they really have no moral fibre at all, and deserve their fate.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    HYUFD said:

    Redfield and Wilton.

    Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):

    Labour 40% (-1)
    Conservative 33% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 24 Jan

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505

    Still Labour lead at 9% and still only a hung parliament.

    Thanks for confirming the need for a decent voting system.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,337
    "Who is his paying for his legal advice?" asks Labour MP Rachael Maskell.

    Good Q... Is PM receiving taxpayer-funded advice on Met investigation from the Govt legal department, or himself paying for independent legal advice?

    Where does this cross from Govt to private matter?

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1488198966315528192
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.

    I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.

    That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.

    FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.
    I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..
    Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.
    Sex. That's why.

    Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.

    Which could very well be true, of course.

    Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
    I wish I was educated enough to know what a Feydeau farce was. I refuse to google every five minutes.
    Me neither, so I looked it up for myself - very popular in the last two decades of the Long Nineteenth Century. Wiki says "The plays of Feydeau are marked by closely observed characters, with whom his audiences could identify, plunged into fast-moving comic plots of mistaken identity, attempted adultery, split-second timing and a precariously happy ending."
  • kinabalu said:

    Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench

    There's been a few "wows" at the PM's comments from you today, Big G.

    Is he taking you by surprise with his utter shamelessness?
    Two I think but rejecting a suggestion that no 10 was on drugs and referring it to labour front bench was a wow
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    eek said:

    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    I think Hoyle's problem is that he and everyone else nows Boris has lied to the house but there isn't 100% clear unavoidable evidence to say as much yet.

    Which means Parliament can't do anything about it. Personally I would be given Blackford a 9 day ban - because it would leave 10+ days as the only possible punishment when Boris is found to be lying and 10 days triggers a recall petition.
    AHHHH - So we were in By-election territory after all.

    #BlackfordBottledIt
  • Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?

    Putin
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    I must say given the constraint of the Gray report not being an actual report, hard to see how this could have gone better
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    edited January 2022
    JBriskin3 said:

    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30

    Edit: Eabhal has made my point more subtly ...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    Personally, I thought Blackford was excellent. Normally he comes across as a rather pompous windbag, but today he was on form.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997

    Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?

    Putin
    Someone else posted that, too. Why?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    FF43 said:

    DearPB said:

    Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting

    Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.

    The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
    Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30
    Christ, not this again. Wah, the MSM is biased! You're no different from the hardcore nats who say the same crap.
    I think you're almost accepting that I have a genuine point there. Rather different from Dickson's take.
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