The first findings from the Grey report don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com
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Does the PM now have to leave Downing Street if he wants to get pissed?!Foxy said:
Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?Heathener said:
He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.CarlottaVance said:
So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....TheScreamingEagles said:Oh.
I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.
When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471
Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.0 -
He looked not just furious after he sat down but on the verge of tears.Scott_xP said:'Does the prime minister think I'm a fool?'
Tory MP Aaron Bell says only ten people could attend his grandmother's funeral in May 2020 - when there were two alleged lockdown-breaching gatherings at Downing Street
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-31/sue-gray-report-condemns-serious-failure-in-number-10-to-observe-rules https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1488189476685893639/video/1
As well he might be. Not just because of the emotion of recalling his family's loss. But realising that the PM's behaviour could well cost him his seat at the next election.
I don't mean that in a sarky way. Realising you and your family and your party and your voters, for whom you are working hard, have been let down by someone whom you should have been able to trust is a really awful experience.
No wonder he looked thunderous.18 -
.@RuthDavidsonPC says to me that faced with potential criminality in 12 events including one in his own flat, any other prime minister would resign. She says he’s degrading the office and contrasted him to the “dignity” of Theresa May
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Amusing response from a Tory MP quoting a constituent "he's a wally but 100,000 Russians have just turned up, why are we talking about cake".
I'm guessing she's friendly to the PM then, though willing to call him a wally.0 -
Wow. The clown effectively accuses someone on Labour’s front bench of being regularly on drugs.0
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Perhaps Ms Patel can see an imminent return to the backbenches in her near future?Gardenwalker said:It’s very hard to read.
For every simmering Tory, there another patsy who clearly have lost any moral sensibility they once might have had.
My gut tells me that Boris’s response to Keir in particular was so sickeningly shameless and mendacious that it is has guaranteed a VONC.
But my head says, do not underestimate the utter cravenness of the Tory Party.
As an aside, Priti Patel looks very…sober, whereas Raab shared a little giggle with Boris earlier.
We can always hope...1 -
He's not great, but certainly better than Michael Martin who was totally out of his depth, and I think, better than Bercow because Bercow allowed himself to become a Dickensian pantomime caricature, and was so obviously biased and arbitrary. A Speaker should be acceptable to both sides and Bercow wasn't.StuartDickson said:2 -
Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.Farooq said:
Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurateStuartDickson said:
The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.Farooq said:
Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.Harris_Tweed said:
Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
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I think this is correct.Mexicanpete said:
He will feel he looks majestic astride his tank facing off the Russian Army tomorrow, and Tory backbenchers will swoon.Heathener said:
He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.CarlottaVance said:
So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....TheScreamingEagles said:Oh.
I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.
When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471
Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
The Daily Mail will (maybe) wade in behind him overnight with another of its 'THIS is what really matters' headlines.
What cautions me slightly against thinking he'll get away with it though is
1. He has really peed off the right (again) especially over the NI increase
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2. Dominic Cummings. I'm not sure we've heard the last from him. Could be some further leaks imminently?0 -
What the hell was that drug-taking comment?0
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I'm not convinced he'll run if Boris is still in charge, he clearly has no confidence in him and can happily live in a career outside politics.Peter_the_Punter said:
He joins the very small and highly select number of conservative MPs for whom I would vote regardless if he were standing in my constituency.TOPPING said:Absolutely blistering from Aaron Bell.
He's unlikely to be re-elected at the next GE but perhaps PB could start a Campaign to Re-Elect Aaron Bell [CREAB].
I think he wants to get Walley's quarry sorted on a constituency level though.4 -
Congrats, you have just answered my question to myself, Is there a bigger prick in the world than Boris Johnson, in the affirmative.JBriskin3 said:
Simon Baynes at 1632 is wearing one, and why would I be asking what it was, if I knew, you utter dildo?
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Newcastle-under-Lyme is about the most likely council loss for the Tories in May's elections.Cyclefree said:
He looked not just furious after he sat down but on the verge of tears.Scott_xP said:'Does the prime minister think I'm a fool?'
Tory MP Aaron Bell says only ten people could attend his grandmother's funeral in May 2020 - when there were two alleged lockdown-breaching gatherings at Downing Street
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-31/sue-gray-report-condemns-serious-failure-in-number-10-to-observe-rules https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1488189476685893639/video/1
As well he might be. Not just because of the emotion of recalling his family's loss. But realising that the PM's behaviour could well cost him his seat at the next election.
I don't mean that in a sarky way. Realising you and your family and your party and your voters, for whom you are working hard, have been let down by someone whom you should have been able to trust is a really awful experience.
No wonder he looked thunderous.0 -
The Conservative Party knew what it was getting into. They deserve everything heading their way.Stuartinromford said:
The Eddie Mair "You're a nasty piece of work" interview was 2013.Gardenwalker said:I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.
I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.
Anyone paying any attention at all since the 1990's knew what they were getting when they promoted Boris.4 -
Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench1
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Yes, astute move go draw the sting.TheScreamingEagles said:Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-11643572945
Good article in the Atlantic about his show from 2019:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/08/my-joe-rogan-experience/594802/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
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I watched his actual video, it isn't actually apologising for anything. He doubled down on the academic qualifications of the two anti-vax scientists he had on.TheScreamingEagles said:Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-116435729450 -
Absolutely agree. I thought she was a small child who had snuck in from a day trip to parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sorry but you are not fit to be an MP if you wear a sweater like that in the House of Commons.
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NEW: Scotland Yard says its request for details of events being investigated not to be included in Gray report will drop once probe is complete.
In other words... there's nothing from the Met to stop the full Gray evidence coming out then (potentially including photos). https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488193553243254789/photo/10 -
Anyway;
I'm sure we can all agree - much more entertaining than a boring UN Security Council meeting.0 -
Very good pointFoxy said:
Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?Heathener said:
He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.CarlottaVance said:
So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....TheScreamingEagles said:Oh.
I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.
When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471
Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.0 -
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The biggest Conservative general election victory since Tory MPs toppled Mrs Thatcher in 1990, yesStuartinromford said:
The Eddie Mair "You're a nasty piece of work" interview was 2013.Gardenwalker said:I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.
I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.
Anyone paying any attention at all since the 1990's knew what they were getting when they promoted Boris.0 -
Did the drinks involve whisky and a revolver?stjohn said:
The day Cummings was dismissed!IshmaelZ said:So the
@metpolice
are investigating a gathering in the Prime Minister's flat on 13 November.
Lethal news.
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Fatty Arbuckle had similar problem, when HIS public decided that the Funny Man was just a sick joke.NickPalmer said:Leaving aside our own views, do we think that MPs who have been on the fence will have shifted either way? Really hard to tell, but the absence of anyone saying so is perhaps telling.
The public, it seems to me, are now bored by the detail, but have a settled, hostile view of the Government's position. Johnson started on the right note, but by the time he'd wheeled off into Brexit and vaccination and Jimmy Saville he was back in his natural rumbustious mode. I honestly think that for most people it simply doesn't work any more.2 -
Boris seems to give particularly short shrift to questions from young female MPs.0
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You might have been a Level 3 PlayaIshmaelZ said:
Congrats, you have just answered my question to myself, Is there a bigger prick in the world than Boris Johnson, in the affirmative.JBriskin3 said:
Simon Baynes at 1632 is wearing one, and why would I be asking what it was, if I knew, you utter dildo?0 -
No. A complete lack of understanding, empathy and respect will do.Gardenwalker said:Who is this deranged harpie that claims that the “small boats crisis” is the most urgent thing for the country.
Is a lobotomy necessary to succeed in the Tory party?0 -
Yes, that was very noticeable as time went on. They’ve had the wind knocked out of them once too often.CarlottaVance said:The back bench "hear hears" in response to Tory MP softballs getting feebler....
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The government whips seem to have run out of Conservative MPs willing to stand up and defend the Prime Minister now.
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Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash0
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Boris has a habit of burbling about drugs when under pressure. Remember his Labour want to legalise all class A drugs at PMQ'S?0
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On reflection, I think Boris reached a new low with his jibe to Starmer about him not prosecuting Jimmy Saville. A fucking disgraceful non sequitur (excuse my language, but it made mild-mannered me quite cross).
I suspect many of the decent Tory MPs share my view.5 -
She has been awfully quiet in the last few weeks and days. She notably did not come to Cummings support either when everyone else did.Heathener said:
I still can't believe Priti Patel nodding in agreement with Sir Keir Starmer.Scott_xP said:NEW Senior Tory MP - not one or the usual critics - tells me: “That was a car crash. A lot of colleagues were waiting for the report to be published [before submitting letters of no confidence]. They may not wait now. He is is own worst enemy.” #SueGrayReport
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1488190396094111748
Blimey.
I might not be quite so scathing about her from now on.
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Like mussels. Invertebrate but very firmly glued to the substrate.Chris said:
Don't underestimate their cravenness, but also don't underestimate their instinct to keep their jobs.Gardenwalker said:It’s very hard to read.
For every simmering Tory, there another patsy who clearly have lost any moral sensibility they once might have had.
My gut tells me that Boris’s response to Keir in particular was so sickeningly shameless and mendacious that it is has guaranteed a VONC.
But my head says, do not underestimate the utter cravenness of the Tory Party.
As an aside, Priti Patel looks very…sober, whereas Raab shared a little giggle with Boris earlier.1 -
@Tissue_Price bought the bullshit about levelling up etc, now knowing that he was taken for a fool.Cyclefree said:
He looked not just furious after he sat down but on the verge of tears.Scott_xP said:'Does the prime minister think I'm a fool?'
Tory MP Aaron Bell says only ten people could attend his grandmother's funeral in May 2020 - when there were two alleged lockdown-breaching gatherings at Downing Street
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-31/sue-gray-report-condemns-serious-failure-in-number-10-to-observe-rules https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1488189476685893639/video/1
As well he might be. Not just because of the emotion of recalling his family's loss. But realising that the PM's behaviour could well cost him his seat at the next election.
I don't mean that in a sarky way. Realising you and your family and your party and your voters, for whom you are working hard, have been let down by someone whom you should have been able to trust is a really awful experience.
No wonder he looked thunderous.5 -
Lol, complete cock up on 5Live. Talking to a woman in Hartlepool about Johnson. She made very reasonable points and then the interviewer says “you voted conservative last time, might this affect your decision next time?”. She answers “I’m sorry, I didn’t vote Conservative last time.”
I doubt she voted Brexit Party.0 -
In that case he really is ****ed!HYUFD said:Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash
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UNLESS
He is confident that he has broken no law and thinks that not having broken a law (as opposed to the guidelines, rules, etc) he is golden. But also perhaps realising as the afternoon proceeds that people aren't angry with him on a technicality.0 -
Any adulterer will tell you they convince themselves that it really isn't cheating and it is the other half's fault for making you cheat.TOPPING said:UNLESS
He is confident that he has broken no law and thinks that not having broken a law (as opposed to the guidelines, rules, etc) he is golden. But also perhaps realising as the afternoon proceeds that people aren't angry with him on a technicality.3 -
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.1 -
PM meeting all Tory Maps at 6.0
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Very powerful and moving contribution.LostPassword said:Commiserations to @Tissue_Price on losing his grandmother during the pandemic and being taken for a fool by a PM who didn't stick by the rules that prevented gatherings, including those of mourners grieving together.
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Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?0
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If Blackford accusing Johnson of misleading the House is worthy of being hurled out of the HoC. Is accusing the opposition front bench of being smack-heads not unparliamentary?Big_G_NorthWales said:Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench
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Got my CNN on now.
If there's going to be a war I'll let you all know (I might be a bit slow in reporting it though cus I'm listening to my indie pop)0 -
Carrie?OldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
She’s got another party on and he tends to hog the pigs-in-blanket plate.7 -
Putin.OldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
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Whataboutery. Hmmm… what does that usually mean?Big_G_NorthWales said:Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench
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She goes to the pressCarnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
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Usually these sessions get progressively less effective but that didn't happen here. The sheer persistence of the critics and his inability to say anything but 'Wait for the Fuzz to tell me what I did' made him appear pathetic.StuartDickson said:
Yes, that was very noticeable as time went on. They’ve had the wind knocked out of them once too often.CarlottaVance said:The back bench "hear hears" in response to Tory MP softballs getting feebler....
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Especially as he offered to say 'inadvertently misled', which takes care of the mens rea issue.Farooq said:
Plus he now gets to spin a narrative something along these lines:Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.Farooq said:
Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurateStuartDickson said:
The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.Farooq said:
Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.Harris_Tweed said:
Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
Boris is on his way out
You lie to parliament, the Queen, your ministers, the Speaker, the House, and the country, and the establishment rallies around you. You tell the truth in House, and they throw you out for the day. Westminster is borked, independence is the answer.
Blackford knew what he was doing, and today's clip is in the bank for future use.0 -
Sex. That's why.Carnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.
Which could very well be true, of course.
Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.1 -
Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
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What does Carrie have to say about that, eh?Foxy said:
Maggie was in Paris when the vote was announced, wasn't she?Heathener said:
He'll fly to Ukraine I reckon. Probably tonight or tomorrow.CarlottaVance said:
So there's "getting on with the job" holed below the waterline....TheScreamingEagles said:Oh.
I'm told Boris Johnson's planned call with Russian President Vladimir Putin today has been cancelled.
When the Gray report landed the Russians were asked to shift the time - but they couldn't. So it's off...
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1488185055071678471
Which might end up being his Jim Callaghan in Guadeloupe moment. Or not.
Foreign trips very dangerous for leaders. Perfect time for a couple.0 -
Indeed. A bit "feart" of him not to go the whole hog though.Farooq said:
Plus he now gets to spin a narrative something along these lines:Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I think that is right. Blackford may be a pompous bombastic ass, but he was right to just say the plain honest truth on this occasion.Farooq said:
Oh, yes, it also has the benefit of being entirely accurateStuartDickson said:
The plain fact is that the prime minister most certainly did lie to the house. In circumstances like this it is better just to be straightforward and not mince your words.Farooq said:
Yes, I'm no fan of Blackford but he's played that perfectly from the SNP's point of view. Already looking past this immediate farce and doing the groundwork on what comes next.Harris_Tweed said:
Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
Boris is on his way out
You lie to parliament, the Queen, your ministers, the Speaker, the House, and the country, and the establishment rallies around you. You tell the truth in House, and they throw you out for the day. Westminster is borked, independence is the answer.
Blackford knew what he was doing, and today's clip is in the bank for future use.0 -
Pretty good.
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I do (as long as he doesn't come back).OldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
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Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/14881953868000215050 -
What did he say? I missed itTheScreamingEagles said:Greg Smith is a [moderated].
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Hmm. I was thinking more of loyalty, actually. But it's such an obvious way of deflecting things that I'm surprised they haven't already agreed to try it. Though come to think of if the relentless Tory attacks on Mrs Bercow would put anyone off the idea.Cyclefree said:
Sex. That's why.Carnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.
Which could very well be true, of course.
Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.0 -
Labour MP @YasinForBedford asks Boris Johnson about this story: prime minister says it is 'completely ridiculous' to say he is corrupt https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/14870668250661724240
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One of the original “Bastards” identified by John Major, the last decent Tory PM.HYUFD said:Boris getting strong support from Tory veteran Bill Cash
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There's been a few "wows" at the PM's comments from you today, Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench
Is he taking you by surprise with his utter shamelessness?2 -
He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
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A one way ticket would be fine!OldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
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Boris running out of bluster.1
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Mr J did get his Brexity PM-ship by going on about bananas. Though we are not yet a republic.Scott_xP said:Labour MP @YasinForBedford asks Boris Johnson about this story: prime minister says it is 'completely ridiculous' to say he is corrupt https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1487066825066172424
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He is Britain Trump.Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488196241062305792
His defence was very robust today. He clearly doesn't believe he has done anything wrong.1 -
What a pussy.TheScreamingEagles said:Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests. “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-116435729451 -
Well, it could be loyalty of course. But ultimately he's the PM and he should have ensured that they as a family did what everyone else tried to do.Carnyx said:
Hmm. I was thinking more of loyalty, actually. But it's such an obvious way of deflecting things that I'm surprised they haven't already agreed to try it. Though come to think of if the relentless Tory attacks on Mrs Bercow would put anyone off the idea.Cyclefree said:
Sex. That's why.Carnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.
Which could very well be true, of course.
Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.
None of these explanations will work now. Though they might have done right at the start if accompanied by genuine contrition.
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If the PM is fined it won't just be one £100. Lord Brownlow best get his chequebook ready.StuartDickson said:
He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
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Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505
Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase0 -
Yep because Boris won't resign the only way he is leaving is if / when he is forced to do so either by Tory MPs (unlikely by the looks of it) or by the public at the next General Election.Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
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Yepp. Carrie knows where all the bodies are buried.IshmaelZ said:
She goes to the pressCarnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.0 -
He’s unfit. Not just morally, but physically. He’s got no stamina.stjohn said:Boris running out of bluster.
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"Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi tests positive for Covid"
Well, that's one way of getting out of cheering Johnson's statement.0 -
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.9 -
Starmer now leading Sunak by 1% on best PM as well though, 39% to 38%.HYUFD said:
Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505
Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase0 -
Hm. That doesn't take into account Mr Johnson's scintillating performance at PMQ today.HYUFD said:
Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505
Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase1 -
I think Hoyle's problem is that he and everyone else nows Boris has lied to the house but there isn't 100% clear unavoidable evidence to say as much yet.FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
Which means Parliament can't do anything about it. Personally I would be given Blackford a 9 day ban - because it would leave 10+ days as the only possible punishment when Boris is found to be lying and 10 days triggers a recall petition.2 -
Yes, if he's resigned and isn't still blustering it out!Farooq said:
£100 is about 2.6 minutes work if you're, say, a highly-paid Telegraph columnist.OldKingCole said:
If the PM is fined it won't just be one £100. Lord Brownlow best get his chequebook ready.StuartDickson said:
He needs a boot. A very, very hard boot.Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson just declined to promise to resign if he is fined for breaching Covid rules.
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I wish I was educated enough to know what a Feydeau farce was. I refuse to google every five minutes.Cyclefree said:
Sex. That's why.Carnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.
Which could very well be true, of course.
Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.0 -
Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.0 -
Aaron Bell being replayed in full on R4 PM0
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If the 1922 bottle it tonight then they really have no moral fibre at all, and deserve their fate.Carnyx said:
Hm. That doesn't take into account Mr Johnson's scintillating performance at PMQ today.HYUFD said:
Still Labour lead under 10% then and still only a hung parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1488195386800021505
Electoral Calculus gives Labour 300, Conservatives 255 and LDs 19 on the new boundaries
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=33&LAB=40&LIB=11&Reform=3&Green=6&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.3&SCOTLAB=20.2&SCOTLIB=6.6&SCOTReform=0.9&SCOTGreen=3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase4 -
Thanks for confirming the need for a decent voting system.HYUFD said:
Still Labour lead at 9% and still only a hung parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Redfield and Wilton.
Westminster Voting Intention (31 Jan):
Labour 40% (-1)
Conservative 33% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Scottish National Party 4% (-1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 24 Jan
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Aaron Bell's speech was just replayed in full on R4 news.5
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"Who is his paying for his legal advice?" asks Labour MP Rachael Maskell.
Good Q... Is PM receiving taxpayer-funded advice on Met investigation from the Govt legal department, or himself paying for independent legal advice?
Where does this cross from Govt to private matter?
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Me neither, so I looked it up for myself - very popular in the last two decades of the Long Nineteenth Century. Wiki says "The plays of Feydeau are marked by closely observed characters, with whom his audiences could identify, plunged into fast-moving comic plots of mistaken identity, attempted adultery, split-second timing and a precariously happy ending."StuartDickson said:
I wish I was educated enough to know what a Feydeau farce was. I refuse to google every five minutes.Cyclefree said:
Sex. That's why.Carnyx said:
Why can't he just blame her? Gets the heatd off him, and she's not official any more than, say, a Speaker's wife is.NorthofStoke said:
I've just had a horrible vision of BoJo stifling tears and saying that he has been acting all along to protect his wife and that he personally had no involvement in any wrongdoing..BannedinnParis said:
FWIW, this is where my thinking has gone. Hence, the 'check the official diaries' comment earlier.Cyclefree said:I do wonder how many of the breaches of the rules - let alone the guidelines - were by Carrie and her friends.
I suspect quite a few. The PM could argue that he had a reasonable excuse to be in the office. Carrie none. Nor Lulu or other friends.
That may explain some of his behaviour. He simply cannot - or dare not - admit something which would put his wife in the frame.
Unless he's going to say he didn't know anything about these parties because he was ... er ..... elsewhere.
Which could very well be true, of course.
Honestly, it's government as Feydeau farce.0 -
Two I think but rejecting a suggestion that no 10 was on drugs and referring it to labour front bench was a wowkinabalu said:
There's been a few "wows" at the PM's comments from you today, Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wow - Boris responded to an accusation of drug taking in no 10 said, no you should look at the Labour front bench
Is he taking you by surprise with his utter shamelessness?1 -
AHHHH - So we were in By-election territory after all.eek said:
I think Hoyle's problem is that he and everyone else nows Boris has lied to the house but there isn't 100% clear unavoidable evidence to say as much yet.FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
Which means Parliament can't do anything about it. Personally I would be given Blackford a 9 day ban - because it would leave 10+ days as the only possible punishment when Boris is found to be lying and 10 days triggers a recall petition.
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PutinOldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
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I must say given the constraint of the Gray report not being an actual report, hard to see how this could have gone better0
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JBriskin3 said:
Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.
Edit: Eabhal has made my point more subtly ...0 -
Personally, I thought Blackford was excellent. Normally he comes across as a rather pompous windbag, but today he was on form.FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.3 -
Someone else posted that, too. Why?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
PutinOldKingCole said:Apart from Johnson himself, and possibly Liz Truss, who actually wants him to go to Ukraine tonight?
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I think you're almost accepting that I have a genuine point there. Rather different from Dickson's take.Farooq said:
Christ, not this again. Wah, the MSM is biased! You're no different from the hardcore nats who say the same crap.JBriskin3 said:
Well he's timed it just right for the "fair and balanced" (sarcasm) Scottish media at 6 and 6.30FF43 said:
Not surprised Hoyle is upset. Blackford made an assertion which he is not allowed to make under parliamentary rules, about another member lying to the House, but which is incontrovertible in the case of Johnson. Johnson is also not allowed to lie to the House and actually lying is obviously far more serious than making allegations, but there is no available sanction against him.DearPB said:Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting
The system is at fault and Blackford (justifiably in my view) is exploiting this failure.0
